Those streets are massively wide, holy moly! Great video, let's hope waterborne can take that criticism well. I personally don't like the shape and material as well, and for that price... no thank you. In my opinion one of the worst surfskates.
I also prefer wide tails, I have that board, but the cut out make lot of sense with the complete as the native back railer is less high having the deck itself being the back railer top part (hope is clear what I mean) and otherwise you will get wheelbites for sure. The aim here is a low ride waterborne, that they achieved even better with the gemini (beeing lower on the nose too). Not here to recomend it, infact I actually switched the deck for a regular wooden one, but in my experience with the scorpion I got less vibration and less effort in the pumping, the flex works great for long distances, but is less controllable in tight turns or slides. It is expensive, and nobody may know the feeling without trying it, so I agree that is not a good choice for being your only surfskate, it is mostly for the sake of having different surfskate feels and ..accidentaly, it can become the favourite setup fore somebody.
Appreciate all of the feedback! Not to be a kiss a**, but you’re a better rider than you give yourself credit for. Nice form on the cutbacks. We are coming out with some really sweet new Bamboo complete boards that will address the major conflict of preferences that some take with the Carbon Completes (width, price, flex) and offer more variety in Waterbornre’s complete lineup. The whole premise of Waterborne still lies in the importance that customization plays in skating. There exits millions of combinations of trucks, wheels, and the all important deck, and somewhere out there lies the setup that will make you the happiest. We saw an industry built off of expensive and unaffordable complete boards, (at least unaffordable to us at the time, since the price of a complete rivaled the cost of a decent surfboard), and the Surf Adapter was an effective jab at the status quo. Now any cruiser, longboard or skateboard could be a really capable surf skate built off of a board that one already enjoyed riding. That still is our primary focus. Did making the most expensive, complete surfskate make us the very problem that we set out to solve? No, because Waterborne Surf Adapters on an existing skateboard are by far and away the answer for most riders. Now, the Carbon board opportunity came along and was a really awesome way for us to design and offer the most unique and capable skateboards on the planet. If there’s one thing we have in common with Neil Stratton founder of carver, it’s that we are designers at heart. The Carbons do the job of being unique very well, and in the right hands they perform incredibly! The carbon boards are certainly the most expensive surfskates, but considering the cost of the material, the performance they offer, and their longevity, they offer a value that we are proud of. We are continuing to improve them based on feedback like this as well. Even under the feet of beginners, there is still tons of fun to be had on the more familiar Aries model in particular. Reach out if you have any questions, we’d be happy to help or continue the conversation.
Great! Keep the cut-out, increase the tail width a bit, and add a few holes for multiple wheelbase option (such as 17, 18, 19 inch), please. I will buy one more carbon deck then.
You've already made fantastic contributions to the industry, and I'm certain you'll continue doing so. I very much look forward to seeing a bamboo complete from you, because I think the Waterborne is very well suited for a bamboo board.
Thanks for sharing your experience. The ride was quite nice. It must be interesting for some people to see a guy on a surfskate followed by a drone riding the streets of the city 😄👍 🤙🏼
I had a great fiberglass flex board for carving back in the seventies and early eighties. Watching your video I noticed you ride with rear foot behind the rear wheels up on the kick tail. I was amazed how well you made the board work, because on a flex boards you don"t ride with you foot behind the rear wheels . Your feet have to be between the wheels, front foot behind the front wheels and the back foot in front of the back wheels. By having your feet and your weight between the wheels it will let the board flex and give you the rebound that can really pop your turns. In your video the board never flexed at all. The board might be too small for your normal stance to fit between the wheels. Try the board again or a larger version of it with your back foot in front of the rear wheels. You will find you can get a nice power carve with pop out of the turn. It is old school but feels great. Keep up the stoke!
Well I think you did great on your 20m cruise session with the Scorpio. But then again I don't know what you where feeling during your ride 😆. I don't have that board but I can understand your issues with it. As far as their front and rear adapter...That's my weapon of choice for my daily 6-10 miles cardio workout.Their durability, availability, price, and customer service is just hard to beat. But that's just my opinion. Good review and a great ride session!!! Happy 4th of July to everyone and be safe!
very informative. I like the cut-off very much because it reduces rear wheelbite. I agree the tail is a little bit too narrow and flexy beyond the cut-off.
@@fotobread I suppose you could see it that way, if you felt that a smaller kicktail is an advantage, which I don't. Regardless of the material, I will always prefer a wide kicktail for a surfskate.
@@SurfskateLove i agree wide kicktail is good. Cutout is good too. Width tail and cutout can exist together because rear foot is just behind the rear wheel & cutout. What i mean is that the tail can become wider behind the cutout.
@@fotobread I see. The soulboardiy does just that. It could work, but I think the cutouts one the Scorpio are too far forward. It could work for my preferences if it was more toward the middle. On the Scorpio, I want that tail to be not only wider, but also longer.
I really enjoyed seeing you do your complete ride. I think it would be cool to see footage of your ride on different boards side by side. Or just more riding videos in general. I like seeing different styles on different boards :)
Thanks, Ryan! I love that ride. If I could get big crew together here, I want to film that skate with a group of 8-10 screaming down it together, criss crossing. Drone the whole thing.
It's a big thing to realize when we fucked up a little, and to make recompense. Very cool being positive. I try to only give positive reinforcement unlesss there is something unsafe or of poor quality/value.
I'll be honest with you, I think you suffer the same issue I tend to suffer hunting boards, and equipment. Which is that everything seems to be designed with a rider under 150lbs, in mind. So when us 6' + 200+ full grown boys get on one, it's a whole different experience. Waterborne, I know, suffers from this design bias, because of their rear adapter bushings. They are ULTRA soft. I ride them on a 36" (blg blazer XL) Globe deck. But I've exchanged the rear bushings for a super hard barrel, on the bottom, and a slightly softer, still hard, barrel on the top. I think the ride would be even better, if you could do the same thing with the front torsion bushing. Because my daughter has a much more controlled experience than I do on it. As for me, I'm used to riding really loose trucks on a regular skateboard, so it's not too terrible, with the back end stiffened up enough to have a stable half of the board. The ride it creates, I think, is most suitable for park skating as it transitions quarter pipes silky smooth, once you've done the work to eliminate any possibility of wheel bite. What I'm really looking for, why I'm here, is where I can trim fat. I want a lighter ride, for extended sessions. Any help/comments on suggestions on ways to achieve that would be great. I'm already running Tensor trucks. But all put together it's still a pretty heavy ride. I'm thinking of maybe getting a shorter blank, and undrilled deck, and setting the wheel base as wide as it will allow, while still having a good kick. Maybe this board already exists out there? All I know is I need something lighter, though I actually like the shape, and control I get from this big boy, it just wears you out.
hi Steve, always a fan of your videos and learned and saved a lot from them! was wondering if you have plans to turn longboards into surfskates since you longboard too. I have a wide stance like you too and modified my Sector9 Meridian Swirl with both Waterborne Surf & Rail adapters, Paris V3 180mm, Orangatang Love Handles 77a and Knuckles purple. To me it has been one of the best setup, do you think it makes sense? Appreciate your thoughts and hope you will consider mixing up with longboards too! :) thank you again.
I'm using a 32.5"fish 🐟 shape deck with a slight kick tail just like the Waterborne but like you say bamboo. Also the deck I'm using, has the sections that Waterborne cut out creating a much stiffer deck. I ordered the Waterborne today so I'll keep you updated. The reason surfers are choosing Waterborne IS the mushy lean and deep carve; is that is exactly how a surfboard feels when you catch a rail. As far as the stance issues; that goes for skateboarding as well,in skateboarding maybe even more for style.
Dude, #1 Why do you have to pay for it when you are reviewing the product??? Your expertise needs to be monetized. Because you are a true expert in the field. You rock!
I always pay for everything I review as a rule. This keeps me independent. I'm a paying customer, like everyone else. And I have other ways to monetize. But I very much appreciate your support and kind words! Thanks so much!
It works, but I much prefer spring-based systems. The Waterborne has a very deep lean, and it doesn't snap back to center much. Which means I work harder on it than the Meraki.
Nice, considered re-review. A friend of mine has one, and we swapped boards for an evening of riding - me on his Scorpio, and he rode my Yow Malibu. He immediately ordered a Yow Malibu. I thought his Scorpio Carbon looked very cool, but it pumps more slowly than the Yow, I couldn't seem to generate the same speed as on the Malibu .... and I felt less stable when pumping hard.
Well, because of how that tail is designed you have to ride it on the very back, so that's not really an issue. But yes, completely impractical. At least for me.
