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Waterproofing Your Leather Boots - Wax vs Grease 

Erik Normark
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Lundhags grease vs Nikwax waterproofing wax. How to apply the grease on your leather hiking boots.
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@NicolasUnger
@NicolasUnger 5 месяцев назад
I like your no BS, not overcomplicated process. I just watched another video where they were saying you need like 5 different applying products with 4 different types of brushes. I just want to slightly restore my ONE pair of leather shoes, I won't buy like 10 different things for this. So thanks for showing that this can be simple!
@matshult4781
@matshult4781 2 года назад
Thank's Erik for the tips and tricks of how to take care of your Lundhags boots. I just bought my wife a pair of Lundhags Forest II.
@srem2007
@srem2007 Год назад
Lundhags Forest has never let me down
@adriancaldwell
@adriancaldwell 6 лет назад
Look after your boots and your boots will look after you, great video....again...Erik
@clivenewton7609
@clivenewton7609 6 лет назад
Hi Erik! Cranes flying south, waterproofing boots, autumn fruits in abundance, yet still time for a day out in the sunshine in a short sleeved T and of course that “Holy” moment! At one point I thought it was going to be a dry day!! Take care, regards Clive
@robg4957
@robg4957 3 года назад
Great technique for warming the wax Eric. You’re wife is a lucky girl. 👍🏻
@Vallcon
@Vallcon 3 года назад
I scrolled down looking for this and found it immediately.
@jonasljung318
@jonasljung318 3 года назад
😂
@ManicMindTrick
@ManicMindTrick 3 года назад
That two-finger technique is highly recommended. Three if you are feeling adventurous and four if you want to test the limits. And 5....on your on risk.
@freeze1975
@freeze1975 Год назад
😂😂
@merlinch4256
@merlinch4256 6 месяцев назад
Hi Erik, Thank you for this interesting video. I find here some common sense gestures, more complicated but much more useful than simply spraying your shoes with a miracle product. I also use grease, having found that waxes are less effective, for the reasons you mention. To apply the grease, however, I use an old toothbrush, which goes more easily into hard-to-reach places and makes it easier to distribute the product. To treat the leather in depth and restore its suppleness, oil (special for leather!) also works very well. All the best 🙂 I'm happy you didn't forget your traditional coffee 😉
@moggridge1
@moggridge1 6 лет назад
Thank you very much. You just motivated me to dubbin my boots (as we call it here). I never knew watching somebody wax their boots could be so relaxing! 😊
@spijkerpoes
@spijkerpoes 6 лет назад
Soul-wax😗
@ianjarrett2724
@ianjarrett2724 5 лет назад
Hi Erik. I am with you on the importance of looking after your footwear. I have two pairs of very good boots. The first is a pair of brown leather Swedish army M59 boots. Very tough and well made. For cold/wet weather hikes I wear a pair of brown high ankle Haix which are British Army Surplus and Gortex lined. I use a very similar grease to yourself. The Lundhags look very quality boots but I bet they don't come cheap! You get what you pay for. Effective footwear is crucial to the keen outdoorsman. Regards Ian
@jeremynorman5329
@jeremynorman5329 6 лет назад
Thank you Erik. Such wonderful nature in your films
@rickfine822
@rickfine822 6 лет назад
Erik, I got some boot grease and did a couple of pairs of my leather shoes, however my best pair of boots has nylon mesh integrated with the leather, I used a child toothbrush to apply to keep the grease off the mesh, it worked great.......Bama Rick
@sagehiker
@sagehiker 4 года назад
A really good video bulletin on leather boot care. The region I live in can be harsh on leather with its cold arid climate then the boots get dunked in water and slushy snow. The silty shales and bentonite clays really draw the "nutrition" out of the leather too. Twice a year I saddle soap mine to clean the leather, rinse and dry, then apply a good grease in US like Obenauf's. I too use Nikwak for touch-ups after a day hike. My favorite leather boots that fit my feet are Lowa's.
@jimf1964
@jimf1964 3 года назад
I use something called "Snow Seal". It's a combination of wax and grease. I preheat my oven to 150f, then turn it off. While that's going on, I use a toothbrush to work it into the seams, and a cloth for the rest. I wipe off any excess. Then I put them into the cooling oven, and let the heat soften it and melt into the seams. Works amazing.
@hoosieroutdoorist2826
@hoosieroutdoorist2826 6 лет назад
Can you tell me where and how to obtain a pair of those boots? Another great video. Love the background sounds and the way you explain things.
@marcusohlsson3130
@marcusohlsson3130 3 года назад
Looks like a pair of "Lundhags Forest"
@jeanjohansson2853
@jeanjohansson2853 6 лет назад
As always very good short movie, very informative. Love your approach in everything you do; prestigeless and humble, still tough like a wolf (I could never sleep outdoors in the wilderness just only in a sleepingbag in wintertime). Thank you so much, take care :)
@driftertravels928
@driftertravels928 4 года назад
I like using Nikwax too because can apply it when my boots are wet just after washing them. Also, if you use a conditioner, such as a grease-based product, too often the leather can over-soften and your boots will stop supporting your feet. However, once in a while, about once or twice a year depending on how dry the leather looks, I condition my boots to prevent them from cracking.
@hisham56hamilton50
@hisham56hamilton50 Год назад
Tack Erik väldigt informativt. Man behöver en häxbrygd efter smörjning.😂
@chrishatton1176
@chrishatton1176 8 месяцев назад
Do you have experience using a quilt instead of sleeping bag, and if so what are your thoughts about it?
@andrewmacaulay1585
@andrewmacaulay1585 6 лет назад
Thank you Erik...summer is over...the birth of fall is upon us here too..look forward to see you on some overniters. Be safe
@bludaisiestarlite7626
@bludaisiestarlite7626 6 лет назад
Andrew MacAulay , Fall is the most beautiful season and so cosy
@andrewmacaulay1585
@andrewmacaulay1585 6 лет назад
@@bludaisiestarlite7626 yes it is...in appearance here in New Brunswick we are not far off from eriks home in seasonal colours.
@bludaisiestarlite7626
@bludaisiestarlite7626 6 лет назад
Andrew MacAulay , Winter is Autumn's beautiful sister. Everything turns into a magical wonderland. I love snow on the pine trees and snowmen and snow angels. It's breathtakingly exquisite.
@andrewmacaulay1585
@andrewmacaulay1585 6 лет назад
@@bludaisiestarlite7626 very well said...i still appreciate these transitions as I did when I was a child.
@sandragomez1125
@sandragomez1125 6 лет назад
Gracias Erik , usted es sin duda , muy original. Le cuento que yo amo el café, siempre que usted se sirve uno , yo me preparo otro. Muchas gracias. Lo felicito por la vida que lleva, tan natural, tranquila y armoniosa!
@KontionJukka
@KontionJukka 2 года назад
How often would you recommend to grease boots? By the way, i have those same model Lundhags boots. Very good boot, lightweight, sturdy and quite comfortable(after 500km fits like a good sock)
@georgestrejc1484
@georgestrejc1484 9 месяцев назад
Hello, a smile from UK. In my experience of some years, the very best (including cheapest and most easily obtainable) treatment for genuine leather boots and shoes is OLIVE OIL! This I have learned from bootmakers and shepherds in Crete. About three, four applications using a paint brush are enough for this damp country for occasional use for a couple of months!! The real men of Crete actually fill their traditional boots with olive oil overnight- which also has the advantage moulding the boots exactly to one's feet over the course of only one day. An important point is that only olive oil can be used, not just some 'vegetable oil'. It appears to have a particular affinity for leather. The boots will not go rancid or mouldy with this oil!
@ImTheDudeMan471
@ImTheDudeMan471 6 лет назад
I use a toothbrush and rub and poke the grease in along stitching then rub by hand to spread evenly. Then use a hairdryer to melt the grease into the leather. Same with wax.
@WalksWithOlly
@WalksWithOlly 6 лет назад
Thank you for taking the time to make this video, Erik. I've also used to Nikwax product and found it to be the best wax available as it works well immediately and with little effort. I've not come across a grease before but have used 'conditioning creams' that possibly do a similar job and do also soften the leather.
@Useaname
@Useaname 6 лет назад
Try dubbin. It's animal fat based. Very good for leather.
@WalksWithOlly
@WalksWithOlly 6 лет назад
I did buy dubbin wax some time ago. Is that the same thing?
@Useaname
@Useaname 6 лет назад
@@WalksWithOlly yep. Same thing.
@mss0130
@mss0130 6 лет назад
That's useful information. Erik. I've come to listen carefully this video. At first, I thought that you put grease on your left boot and wax on your right boot to test your shoes in the rainy weather. The video shows that you already know the pros and cons of Greece and Wax... I think you recommend Greece. ps. I have a pair of leather shoes... I've never used grease or wax before. I think I'll try on the grease. Thank you Erik. May God bless you~
@erik_normark
@erik_normark 6 лет назад
Thanks Daniel. They both work well, but I especially like the smell of the grease. It may darken the leather if the shoes are in light color though.
@mss0130
@mss0130 6 лет назад
I understood the smell, waterproofing agents persistence, hardness and smoothness of leather surfaces you said in this video, But... I didn't know the connection between leather color and waterproofing agents. Actually, my leather boots are brown, not too dark. Thank you for letting me know.
@tomkeller6982
@tomkeller6982 Год назад
Thank you Erik. Excellent instruction. I wonder if you could help me.. My foot size is 11.5 inches (medium D width). So when I order dress shoes or running shoes I order 11.5 D width. What size would I ask for if I ordered a pair of your Forest boots online?
@judita1
@judita1 6 лет назад
Some very lovely Autumn colours there already, and it's also good to see and hear the cranes : )
@erik_normark
@erik_normark 6 лет назад
The cranes always making a spectacular farewell when they leave.
@jonathanreynolds2227
@jonathanreynolds2227 6 лет назад
I make my own grease from hard fat (e.g. around the heart and kidneys of an animal) mixed with a little wood tar. Very simple and cheap, and essentially the same as what Lundhag sell. Lundhag's boots are wonderful.
@tommonaghan111
@tommonaghan111 5 лет назад
Peterborough Canoe do you sell it? It sounds great.
@jonathanreynolds2227
@jonathanreynolds2227 5 лет назад
@@tommonaghan111 Hi Tom, I've not been asked that before - quite an unexpected question! No I don't, but it's dead simple to make. Any butcher can give you fat from round the heart or kidneys. Chop it up and let it sizzle in a frying pan until you can pour the clear fat off the crispy remains (which are basically just membranes and ideal for the dog once cool). Pour into a tin, add a slop of wood tar (about a twentieth by volume, but it doesn't have to be precise), stir, decant into smaller tins for convenience, and allow to cool. On a cool day it needs the heat of your thumbs to rub it onto the leather; on a hot day it will be much softer. Smells wonderful.
@patmiddleton3947
@patmiddleton3947 3 года назад
@@jonathanreynolds2227 what is wood tar, does it have another name,and where can you find it?
@jonathanreynolds2227
@jonathanreynolds2227 3 года назад
@@patmiddleton3947 Pat, it's the stuff that bubbles out of resinous wood (e.g. pine, birch) when you heat it (without burning it). So it's basically all the phenolic defence chemicals, evolved by the tree as a defence against pathogens. That makes it great as an antiseptic/anti-fungal material in situations where you don't mind it being a bit sticky and there is no significant risk to health (most phenolic compounds are carcinogens). So it is traditionally used as a preservative for wooden boats, rope, etc. You can still buy it from chandlers, also in smaller quantities from equestrian suppliers as "Stockholm Tar'. Alternatively you can extract your own. Search 'wood tar' here in RU-vid and you'll find several instructional videos. Smells fantastic!
@offgridsweden
@offgridsweden 6 лет назад
Great video man, greetings from Andreas on Off Grid Sweden 🇸🇪
@erik_normark
@erik_normark 6 лет назад
Thanks Andreas!
@relaxandregenerationchanel8887
My father had such boots when he was in the army. After the military he used them for a job where you could easily cut your feet, because they are very resistant, he said that they can use them for 100 years.
@bludaisiestarlite7626
@bludaisiestarlite7626 6 лет назад
ss s Wot?
@bludaisiestarlite7626
@bludaisiestarlite7626 6 лет назад
Erik could model sportswear
@relaxandregenerationchanel8887
sory for speling
@allengrant
@allengrant 5 лет назад
Must have been Corcorans. I still have mine as well! I still keep a mirror finish on them, but I rarely wear them anymore.
@davidjennings6937
@davidjennings6937 6 лет назад
I have water proofed shoes and boots with toilet ring wax. Works great. And cheap! I clean the shoe/boot with saddle soap and let dry. Warm the shoe/boot in the sun or hair dryer to open the pores. Warm the wax so it softens. Rub it on the leather thick and warm it again so it absorbs. Wipe it off with a rag. Let it sit ( I leave it in the sun ) and rub it off again. Wiping it down two times stops the shoe/boot from getting dirty in dry dusty conditions.
@erik_normark
@erik_normark 6 лет назад
Good tips! Thanks David
@spijkerpoes
@spijkerpoes 6 лет назад
Cranes up in the sky? Nice boots, i was wondering what make they were. I love all leather boots, never could walk with goretex stuff.
@erik_normark
@erik_normark 6 лет назад
Yes, lots of cranes in the air today heading south.
@spijkerpoes
@spijkerpoes 6 лет назад
@@erik_normark fab.. they seem to sometimes skirt by our place.. but not often. I've never seen them..😐
@isaaclevy7469
@isaaclevy7469 6 лет назад
Fint med tranorna!
@Arthur3661
@Arthur3661 6 лет назад
In the winter I would use Snow Seal and summer a wax. I would set in the sun, but it would be out, winter app. The leather would warm up along with the wax. Then I would put it on. Spring I would, in the same kind of weather put on a wax I would never let the leather get too warm, after I put on the wax for winter I would apply a lot of wax and let it harden. In the spring I would never let the oil to get cold until it had set on the leather in the house temp, if possible.
@DonnaConrady
@DonnaConrady 6 лет назад
Hey Erik, good video and information . . . I don't do any of the long distance, rugged traveling that you do but I still need warm footwear. I've relied on LLBeans for awhile but I need a change. Thanks again and I hope you're enjoying the cooler weather :) Donna
@erik_normark
@erik_normark 6 лет назад
Thanks Donna. Yes, looking forward to frosty mornings soon :)
@paularuotsalainen979
@paularuotsalainen979 3 года назад
Mycket bra undervisningsfilm. Härliga tranor. Tusen tack igen, Erik!
@yhird
@yhird 4 года назад
Two thumbs up Erik. Thanks.
@KevinOutdoors
@KevinOutdoors 6 лет назад
Great advice and demo!
@erik_normark
@erik_normark 6 лет назад
Thanks Kevin
@ManicMindTrick
@ManicMindTrick 3 года назад
Lundhags highs are not the best looking boots not the most comfortable boots for my feet I've had but they are the most reliable and practical boots I ever had. In a long expedition to the wilderness where I have to rely on not injuring my ankles and the boots to last no matter what conditions, I will choose these. I'm sure there are other high-quality high top boots but I haven't come across something better yet.
@krystjanchanerley9288
@krystjanchanerley9288 Год назад
What kind of boots are these ?
@grassblade2
@grassblade2 3 года назад
...But does this stuff interfere with resticking the welt when it separates?
@erikbayuseptiko5631
@erikbayuseptiko5631 6 лет назад
thanks for the good advice bro...
@isabelllowenherz2213
@isabelllowenherz2213 6 лет назад
Thanks Erik :-)
@robolliges9061
@robolliges9061 6 лет назад
Hej, In the US we have a wonderful leather grease called Obenauf's Heavy Duty LP. Also, all natural. Great stuff! Smells mostly of beeswax (I do love the smell of pine tar (tjära) too).
@erik_normark
@erik_normark 6 лет назад
Hej :) Yes the smell of tar is part of the joy with this grease.
@TheStefanHagg
@TheStefanHagg 6 лет назад
What brand are those good looking pants?! 🙂
@fromthewoodsdaniel7846
@fromthewoodsdaniel7846 6 лет назад
Thankyou Erik!
@davidjmcintyre5981
@davidjmcintyre5981 5 лет назад
Hi Erik. Just wondering when you are walking in wet conditions how many hours will your lundhags keep water out, when the lundhags leather wax is applied? Thanks.
@erik_normark
@erik_normark 5 лет назад
Hi. If it's only raining it could last the whole day, but if you walk through a wetland area you can start get water in within an hour.
@Ginko93
@Ginko93 3 года назад
if you have brand new shoes, first thing first is applying grease or wax before going for a walking, or it's better going for a walk, for "using" a little bit the shoes and then apllying wax ? what do you think ? sorry for my speaking, thanks in advance from France
@erik_normark
@erik_normark 3 года назад
I put it on immediately, there's no reason to wait. It helps preserve the leather.
@tatortik
@tatortik 4 года назад
What kind of shoes are that?
@stephenbrown5844
@stephenbrown5844 3 года назад
Just how I do it😁👍Brilliant thanks
@barrchan5358
@barrchan5358 5 лет назад
Hi Erik, thanks sharing! Do you think it fit for light hiking in plateau, wasteland?seems the Haglofs stop produce the Barken boots, this looks the only choice, thanks😀
@erik_normark
@erik_normark 5 лет назад
I think they should work! Thanks
@52maq52
@52maq52 5 лет назад
Hi, Barr. I don't know what size are You, but I have a Barken model for sale. I have to look what size it actually is but I am 10.5 US and it fits me very well. Let me know if You are interested. New condition. Alex
@homemadeoutdoorgear2136
@homemadeoutdoorgear2136 6 лет назад
What kind of boots it is - model (brand)?
@vaga4239
@vaga4239 4 года назад
lundhags, I think.
@andreasblomstrand9476
@andreasblomstrand9476 4 года назад
Lundhags Forest
@Kuba-nf5vx
@Kuba-nf5vx 5 лет назад
Awesome nature, I love it, once I´d love to visit that place... :-) What state/country is that??? Thank for answer, good bye.
@jvcarvay
@jvcarvay 4 года назад
Erik Normark shoots most (if not all, please correct me if I am wrong) in the North of Sweden. By the autumn colors in the middle of september, that makes a lot of sense :-)
@joshuamorgan4515
@joshuamorgan4515 3 года назад
What was the name of the grease that you were using and were do you get it
@jakubvondrlik4992
@jakubvondrlik4992 3 года назад
Lundhags leather grease.
@bludaisiestarlite7626
@bludaisiestarlite7626 6 лет назад
What are those berries near your coffee cup? Such beauty all around you
@erik_normark
@erik_normark 6 лет назад
Thanks. Those are lingon berries.
@kevlarsteiner8978
@kevlarsteiner8978 6 лет назад
Es fundamental cuidar el equipo después de cada salida, en especial el calzado de cuero. Un saludo.
@andresphz
@andresphz 5 лет назад
Sabes qué marca son esas botas?
@bertb6046
@bertb6046 5 лет назад
If you don't have wax or grease at hand, vaseline (petroleum jelly) works very well too. Plus it's super cheap. Can rub it in by hand too. Nice video as always! Thanks
@freeze1975
@freeze1975 2 года назад
No🤦
@northernswedenstories1028
@northernswedenstories1028 Год назад
What? Vaseline will eventually dry out the leather and damage it. It is not made for treated leather products, only human skin.
@Dolritto
@Dolritto 15 дней назад
Some vaseline can deteriorate synthetic based stitching and parts. Stitched rubber toecap of my work boot years ago ended like this.
@martasztahura934
@martasztahura934 6 лет назад
Sunshine in your cofee..:
@patricelacroix8049
@patricelacroix8049 6 лет назад
Good you have no holes in your socks, personally i used snow seal beeswax, i heat up the boots in oven at 150 c. then applie, this work great for me in Montreal Québec Canada long winter full ov salty slush "heurk"
@DonnaConrady
@DonnaConrady 6 лет назад
Hi Patrice, you are cheeky, neighbor :)) I've got my eye on a pair of Manitobah Mukluks . . . do you know anything about these or have any experience with them? Thanks, Donna
@patricelacroix8049
@patricelacroix8049 6 лет назад
Personaly i always add a pair, they are the faverate of canadian prairies first nation , but now they even have fashionable , in snow they really are the best many type of leather and fur , the soles are made of vibram sole, or kevlar, rubber, and i sugest you do so if your in the market, for in town , but for snow showing, all leather, fur, babish , whitch is tendom, squeze my french Dona but what is cheeky...
@patricelacroix8049
@patricelacroix8049 6 лет назад
ok for cheeky i chek my dictionary...and yes i love to laught, or good sense of humour
@DonnaConrady
@DonnaConrady 6 лет назад
@@patricelacroix8049 Thanks Patrice, I need them for snow and probably deep snow this year according to the almanac:) I read they are treated with native tree resin for water-resistance and the wool liner may actually be a little too warm for me. Thankfully it's removeable. Take Care, Donna p.s. your Canada Geese started flying thru a couple of weeks ago . . .
@patricelacroix8049
@patricelacroix8049 6 лет назад
yes, just saying hello, but were you at dear donna ?
@svenihedlund
@svenihedlund 6 лет назад
How often do your boots need this treatment?
@erik_normark
@erik_normark 6 лет назад
It depends on how much I use them, but normally during hiking season once or twice a month.
@bobcarty1433
@bobcarty1433 3 года назад
I use Huberds.
@o221e3
@o221e3 4 года назад
Has anyone ever added both of them on the same boot??
@serge.levesque
@serge.levesque 4 года назад
Thank you :-)
@Funkteon
@Funkteon 3 года назад
Holy shit, at 1:18 you say you've been using this grease for 30 years!!! Dude, are you a vampire?!? You are clearly much older than you look - in this video, and even recent ones from 2020/21, you look like you're in your mid thirties... It must be that clean Northern Swedish air and water - I am from a remote part of Tasmania in Australia, and people are often surprised at my real age. I think people need to spend some years away from the big cities to help prolong their life and improve their health...
@magnusnordstrom3238
@magnusnordstrom3238 6 лет назад
I gave up my Meindl for trailrunners without goretex, in them i use Sealskinz. Now, if its wet or i´m gonna cross a stream, i just walk and let the trailrunners get wet...
@erik_normark
@erik_normark 6 лет назад
I've heard of the trailrunners. Maybe one day I'll try them too!
@SigfridSWE
@SigfridSWE 3 года назад
Anyone here with experience of the summer variant of the Jörnkänga? Is it called m96? Ive used the militairy vinter version in my National Service (lumpen mm) in Sweden. If anyone have experiance, please share it 😊
@2manysigns
@2manysigns 6 лет назад
Good
@afshanjavaidafshanjavaid9932
@afshanjavaidafshanjavaid9932 6 лет назад
Wao again beautiful secene 😍😍
@studiopiko
@studiopiko 6 лет назад
What pants are those?
@erik_normark
@erik_normark 6 лет назад
Klättermusen Dvalin
@TheActualCaveman
@TheActualCaveman 5 лет назад
The men at Limmer Boots told me "wax makes cracks".
@James-cz9lh
@James-cz9lh 5 лет назад
eric try mink oil last a long time /great video like them all
@380fabricio
@380fabricio 6 лет назад
👍
@TerryManitoba
@TerryManitoba 6 лет назад
why not just have a full rubber boot since the bottoms are rubber?? Then you wont need to treat anything!!
@TerryManitoba
@TerryManitoba 6 лет назад
I was baiting you son - Who the f*** would hike with rubber bottoms for the very reason you stated " breathability" - nobody - absolutely NoBody round these parts would wear rubber on the lower part of their boots for hiking ( except for the sole of course). How could you even be able to walk a mile with your obnoxious boots without having damp clammy feet?
@arcticcircleoutdoors3611
@arcticcircleoutdoors3611 4 года назад
"Lundhags - The soul of Swedish Lundhags is tradition. In quality, comfort and function. And has been ever since the 1930s when Jonas Lundhag started to make comfortable boots in outstanding quality. And to this day Lundhags are world wide famous for their boots."...Yes, you are absolutely right. If I only had something else to wear than shitty Lundhags...they are horrible. Pffft...Swedes, what do they know about outdoors.
@finnmarkloops3042
@finnmarkloops3042 3 года назад
Lundhags skinnlotion.. 😁
@MrPeach18
@MrPeach18 4 года назад
bees wax and hair dryer is better and easier
@majkabe6335
@majkabe6335 6 лет назад
It's autumn.Is beautifully😊👑🍀☕
@bombingbloke
@bombingbloke 6 лет назад
Nikwax is the best!
@2manysigns
@2manysigns 6 лет назад
Dude . Double hooray for your female t-shirt model ......... Ouch !
@2manysigns
@2manysigns 6 лет назад
@@judita1 what are talking about ? I've only complimented the beauty of the woman modeling his coffee t-shirt . Is this a misunderstanding ? If not , I don't understand .
@judita1
@judita1 6 лет назад
In this case I'm sorry : )
@2manysigns
@2manysigns 6 лет назад
@@judita1 I understand : ) I used some "local" slang english . Easy to misinterpret . I feel better ! Thanks for the response ; )
@simontimoney
@simontimoney Год назад
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