Wavedash 2023 - Zain (Roy) Vs. S2J (Captain Falcon) Smash Melee - SSBM 

Fellow Roy player here. That Double Edge Dance 3rd input up at 7:12 can be meteor cancelled. It's not likely anyone will meteor cancel it since a lot of people don't know what to do against Roy

Man could you imagine if this donttestme guy played marth?

I'm so confused, the title says Zain but the video says DontTestMe...

Wow, am I the only one who felt gaslit for eternity in thinking that castor’s voice was the Crimson Blur?

The infamous “that covered everything.” Don’t tell M2K

You know Roy really has come a long way, from being an overshadowed clone in Melee To an absolute master in Ultimate.

He made Johnny fucking sweat for that. Zane is insane S2J should’ve had that in game 4

Zain is definitely gonna inspire people to play Roy and advance his meta. I can see him moving up the tier list eventually

insane to think s2j used to be a bracket demon for zain.

Zane's Roy is incredible, I don't know how he would do in p+ with the reverse mentality where everyone knows how to play against roy and he doesn't know how to play against any of the non melee characters, but I could see Zane making a top 8 tournament if he felt like it.

Roy's dtilt into fsmash or neutral b is really satisfying

As only a very casual Melee viewer, could someone explain why Zain’s playing Roy? Is God bored? (needs a lower tiered character to make it challenging for him)

I love that roy it is getting more recognition lately 😌😌😌

First game ended at 4:20

Zain's fantastic but when Johnny gets going you better be ready to suplex a train.

would love to see the matchup between DTM and Zain! Would love to see a marth vs roy matchup between an upcoming star and the marth king!!

Two takeaways: Sethlon is just bad, and if Jonny were a real man he'd go Ganon

this dont test me guy is really good. he should try Marth

Away from the melee scene for a few years and I come back to see that my boy Roy isn't a meme pick anymore? Is this real?

i was so convinced this was blur on commentary lol

Cant believe they would use Zain’s name in the title for clickbait. He doesn’t even appear in the video!

Hugo looks like a fucking stud

Commentary opens with complaints about crowd activity followed literally by "SO I WAS AT DINNER LAST NIGHT..." my fucking god man. it will never get better.

Who is zain? Did they really get the legendary DontTestMe mixed up with that rando MDVA Marth #2451?

DTM needs to incorporate down smash into his toolkit, especially as an edgeguard. The sweetspot can kill off the top sooner than fsmash kills on the sides on some stages, and the sourspot swats away but still has some power, almost like a weak sheik fair. Would have got him some stocks much sooner. Also would like to see the third swing of double edge dance on shield angled down, multihit with a good chance of shield poking and some decent shield damage otherwise. At least safer than just throwing the first two swings.

*Spoiler* I think Johnny went FoD for game 5 because his edgeguarding wasn't going so well. Zain's Roy was offstage so much but s2j couldn't close out the stocks, so he probably went for the stage with smaller blast zones because his better neutral and on-stage combos would make more impact there

I didn't know that was Hugs commentating! Nice dude

A waltz has three beats per measure. “What should we call a four hit dancing blade.” Infuriating.

Can anyone tell me the model of tv they use?

yo that little ladder at 2:35 was sick

Playing against Roy as a fastfaller is a bit like fighting quicksand. Any spacie that has fought a decent Roy that knows how to mix d-tilt, jab, grab, and dashback is going to know what I'm talking about. Once you're in Roy's threat range he's definitely got options. As long as you're not on ground level, you have an advantage against Roy. Of course he still has options. On ground level, he is almost as threatening as Marth, don't be fooled. So platform camping him is optimal, but this slows the pace of the game down tremendously, and you have to be familiar with the MU to know what mix-ups to go for when descending from a platform. Roy is not a *bad* character. He has some severe flaws but he is more than capable of taking stocks, and at the end of the day, that's all that matters. In fact, most mid-tiers have better MUs against spacies than people realize. Spacies (and falcon) have excellent movement that allow them to combo and pseudo-combo the entire cast, but the price they pay for this is that pretty much any character can 0-death them. Which is why a decent kirby can obliterate a fox that doesn't know the MU (it happened to me, to my shame). Sheik obliterates mid tiers precisely because she doesn't fall as fast as fox/ falco/ falcon, making the combo flowcharts for mids versus her much more linear and weak (also she generally has superior hitboxes in all cases, and the mids don't have the speedy movement to weave in and out of her threat zones like fast fallers). Zain is incredibly good but my Roy main friend has told me that Roy is, in fact, a solid mid-tier, and is not a low tier. Over time I've come to believe him. His grab leads into genuine KO setups against fastfallers, and his movement is absolutely S-tier, allowing him to play a defensive grab game that is straight out of Marth's playbook. So, TLDR, Zain would probably not have this success with a character like Bowser. Bowser is also much worse than Kirby, in spite of what people think. Kirby can wall people out, crouch under moves, and generally be annoying. Bowser is just a walking target, waiting to get 0-death'd.

Johnny knew he would've lost for sure if it was Marth lol

The Waltz should be 3 hits of Dancing Blade because waltzes are danced in counts of 3.

"Yesterday I went to the Korean restaurant"

Call me crazy, and it IS tremendously impressive Zain can play Roy well at this level, but this just kind of makes me hate Roy more, like, damn. He *really* sucks despite how good Zain is playing.

roy is definitely not as low as everyone says he is on the tierlist. He's way better than Yoshi that's for sure

Zain is sick.. he won 2 games vs S2j with a fucking Roy

2023 looking wild

I never understood why Roy was considered bad. His swings are so hard to dodge and hes not exactly slow.

If zain can optimize roys plat game i think i could see roy being picked a lot more

Really well played by both, but in that first match there were several times DontTestMe could have easily grabbed the edge to kill Roy, but chose to just let him back up for some reason. He was more confident game two and beyond, well played.

Alguien sabe en aue plataforma lo juegan 🤔🤔🤔🤔

ZAMN zain

Hugs really just looks like someones dad lmao

I dont play melee, I play pm/p+ but whenever I see zain play roy I feel like I should be taking notes

zain really out here styling and disrespecting SJ2 with that ROY

I thought crimson blur was commentating the whole time...

Zain is so fkn good man

Nerd moment here, but it bothers me more than it probably should to hear a 4 hit move called a "waltz" (a 3 beat dance)

s2j getting checked out 19:48 lmfao

sick

Roys SH flare blade hits under the ledge and cant be teched at low %. Theres an easy true 50/50 between doing that and counter after throwing falcon off that makes the matchup like really hard to lose as roy lol

Someone tell Zain to hax dash with Roy

Aint no way boi lol

i know hugz will never see this, and also i know you dont care about some randos opinion online. But bruh, you gotta do better on the desk, so negative, so much shutting down the continuing of caster banter, so much borderline racial comments [even if it is true]. like you gotta "yes and" everything like its improv, be more positive, even if its something you hate. atleast try to not come off as harsh towards it. completely shutting down conversation around it. iam in no way saying i would or couldve done better. im just saying you are an OG of this scene and imo dont get the props youve gained. im just trying to give me outlook.

Dancing blade ≠ Doubke edge dance

Good, Zain Good Zain

I almost hate how good zain is with Roy… lmao

Zain took too long to learn how to beat Falcon. But Johnny still had the matchup advantage and maintained a lead. Had Zain picked FD on his first counterpick, maybe Game 5 would have been Zain's pick. And then Zain could have won.

Roy is our boy!

Wild how we still got people lugging around CRT"s in 2023.

barely even knew zain before but he gets massive respect for this

Roy’s our boy

one commentator is better than the other edit: throughout the entire set. by a large margin.

theyre out of rice!

Sethlon > Zain

Zain takes so long to take stocks as roy because he plays Roy like it's Marth. He has a play style that is good for marth. But he is still a great Roy player!

Umm this video is very low audio

wtf are those tvs?

っぱDXよ

Zain lost all respect having that pillow for his arms hahahaha

bob zeck did it better

Thank you for listing pronouns. I was worried people would start taking esports seriously 🤡

Hugs is literally the worst commentator

Kinda annoying how you all buckle to leftist ideology

S2j is one of the greatest melee players of all time, easily top 3 falcon all time. Don’t disrespect the man with this roy bs, Johnny cleaned house like he should.. yet this comment section is nothin but zain fanboys coping.

I no understand why popple use roy if you have a better version marth, its like ppl want to use pichu when you have pikachu