The Worst Character in Melee 

Same bro thanks for the great content

No you.

Thank you very much. I'll just throw that right back at your lovely face.

I can't believe you've done this.

You’re breathtaking

Bey Dey EXACTLY LUGUIA IS LIKE 17 FEET TALL

@@seryessir8972 *LUIGUIA*

@@wertyuser798 it's luigi's pet

Honestly I'd kill to have lugia in smash

Dr. Ongo Bongo well lucky you! He is in smash asanassisttrophy...

Maybe they're only talking about Melee

High DILF points for sure.

melee the only smash game confirmed

@@Coopidge what dis high dilf say

@@JMJackMcNally That's like the opposite of "Years of Research"

I personally feel like the amount of fire emblem characters is good there’s 16 games and there’s 8 Fire emblem characters in smash after Corrin came out lots of hate came toward fire emblem but when Chrom came out (I think it was him) every was exited so much but then byleth came and made everyone start hating on fire emblem I mean the Mario weird has 9 characters and nobody complained about them I personally think it’s a good amount characters to respect the franchise

@@Mech126. i think byleth had really bad timing as the potential final dlc so people were especially upset. Also I think the main reason fe characters get hate is because they all have somewhat similar disjointed movesets and playstyles so to alot it feels like a bunch of slightly changed echoes. byleth, robin, and corrin are the only really unique ones.

@@mini8964i agree with you lots of them do have similar move suits I’m pretty sure 2 are echos so we have 4 characters with the same move which is half of the characters and a thing to add is that corrin release for Smash4 DLC made people hate on fire emblem and byleth put the cherry on top I have not seen one positive about corrin or byleth and 2/3 Unique characters that you mentioned are the most hated members of the cast

@@mini8964 I mean, if you remove the actual echoes (Chrom and Lucina), then all 6 FE characters come from different games and have very different play styles in Ultimate. Roy, Marth, and Ike are extremely different from each other. Plus, each era of Fire Emblem is represented: Marth: First game/Kaga Era Roy: GBA Ike: GCN/Wii Robin, Corrin, and Byleth all represent Modern Fire Emblem, but do so differently by being Awakening (Game that saved the franchise), Fates (Where the idea of "modern" FE was crystalized, and also newest when Corrin came out), and Three Houses (Newest in the series). I think Lucina is actually the biggest source of FE's representation "problem". Since she was added in Smash 4, she made 4 reps at base and 2 more after DLC, for a total of 6. And Smash 4 was the first one after Awakening, so 4 reps probably felt fine to people (especially with 2 being from Awakening itself). And sure, Lucina is a clone, but that's fine. Roy was a clone too, and at least we don't have 2. Right? Then Roy released for DLC, and despite his game plan being significantly different from Marth's, it was easy to draw the comparison due to shared animations. Then Corrin came out _Between Cloud Strife and Bayonetta_ when Fates hadn't even released in the US yet, and people immediately hated because of how blatantly their addition was meant to be an ad. This also made people consider that 2 of the 7 DLCs were from Fire Emblem, so people started to deride the series. 6 characters, half of which are clone/semi clone and one is a blatant advertisement (not to mention the other two were hot garbage)? Too much for most people. Chrom gets added in Ultimate, and the Echo distinction helps ppl calm down a bit. But now Awakening has 3 reps, and FE has 7 total. So people were already a bit antsy (especially since Fates was terrible), but not a boiling point. After all, there's so many other characters. Then Byleth dropped, and it was Corrin v2. Bad release timing, blatant advert for the new FE. And who cares that they have a neat gimmick and are competitive without being toxic? It's another Marth. Doesn't help that Lucina, Roy, and Chrom are top tier in Ultimate due to the engine heavily favoring sword characters, so most of the FE cast is at least playable (except Marth. Hopefully Slingshot helps buddy). Without Lucina (and maybe if Corrin was either before Cloud or if Fates released earlier), Smash 4 community probably wouldn't have been so toxic regarding the FE representation. And without Lucina, Chrom probably doesn't come along either, so just +1 rep on the 5 from Smash 4 instead of "yet another one" adding to 7 existing ones. And ppl might actually notice that none of them play the same if there weren't two literal clones in the mix. Oh well

@@researchinbreeder another thing to note: fire emblem has different stories with a new cast of characters. at most, games tie together in duos (the exception being archanea, which has three games tied together, as well as a distant sequel). as a result, there are a lot of lead characters spearheading the series, and only one character has made recurring appearances through multiple storylines (anna). roy was the most recent protagonist when melee came out, ike was most recent when brawl came out, and so on that said, they could avoid bloating the playable cast by making use of one feature: assist trophies. many people see ATs as a death sentence for potential fighters (a rather spoiled and entitled mindset if you ask me), but i see it as an honorable mention where characters who did not quite make the cut can still fight. oddly, FE has very little AT representation despite its huge cast of characters and emphasis on controlling an army. honestly, FE has notably poor representation in general outside of fighters and music. four stages where three of them are rather generic, three assist trophies, and only one item. then again, the fanbase seems to only care about fighters, or at least the vocal minority does

I see no flaws with your logic

You Are Goddamn Right

True.

yes, but this would lead to an actually good player t bagging you as baby mario

Well here's the thing if there are no baby Mario players for us to beat than we wont beat baby Mario(CPU aren't the same)

By the end of Fighters Pass 4, there'll be as many FE characters as votes for them.

Even they're sick of it.

All from Japan

@@therealjaystone2344 Pretty sure the site was in Japanese.

@@FortWhenTeaThyme It was. You can tell the page was translated via google or a third-party based off of a few names like "Ganon (droff)" and "Mars" which would have been officially translated as "Ganon(dorf)" and "Marth" respectively. There are certain numbers like 10 and 15 written out as "ten" and "fifteen". The most glaring is the rough translation at the top that says "It is the total result of the character that you want to appear if there is a Smash 2 recruited in the post column." There's a few more, but those were the most obvious factors.

The next Smash, another ten Fire Emblem fighters were added. xD

We need Lyn, Micaiah and Eirika

@@5C0RP_ Eirika won't make it, unless they make her skirt longer, because Japanese age restrictions for games have become stricter. We should get a villain, maybe Gharnef or Ashnard.

Alm should show up in the next one. We do need a Fire Emblem character that uses either axe like Hector or lance. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

@@mrj_psychotenI ship Alm x Faye

Just gonna act like snake isn't a poor man's James bond

@@sirchris6047 bro, James Bond is a poor man's James Bond. Snake is a completely different archetype.

@@BlackKnightsCommander this shit just made my day thank you

Not a videogame original character lol

in an alternate universe, roblox got into smash instead of minecraft, I will now leave this thread to process this bespoke nightmare

Would have been a god-tier meme character

I mean, Pichu existed which is baby Pikachu.

@@randumo24 not as funny as getting a can of whoop ass opened on you by a crying baby italian not plumber, he is a baby afterall

He could have been unironically good, I mean they made Ganondorf a Captain Falcon clone, Baby mario could have been a dang puff clone@@aesthetic3355

Koopa Troopa he got the same amount of votes as mewtwo, so why is he not in lol

@@enochfeng3233 He almost was, but Sakurai eventually decided it should only be characters FROM video games rather than IN video games.

@@OnEiNsAnEmOtHeRfUcKa So we aren't going to see Mike Tyson fight Little Mac in smash? :(

@@OnEiNsAnEmOtHeRfUcKa Damn, it only took him 7 years to switch that up and put a fuckin' toy/controller in

That would have made Ultimates Everyone is here trailer even more hype.

That's cool cause they cant be smashed

@@idain8325 Too bad nobody uses the PAL version. Do any tournaments use the PAL version?

@@7rhymes599 no. Unless your in Europe or Australia

@@7rhymes599 yes look for "pal shenanigans" something like. I think was one of Grsmash videos xd

@@claphouse1983 I think Europe is switching to NTSC

No quirky sm64 reference Conclusion: Bad Game

Melee is immediately a worse game

@@flow185 well wouldn't it be fitting?

Not even a "bye-bye, gay bowser" 🙁

So long!@@mattemathias3242

I wonder what 3 people were doing voting a common enemy with no features that never had any semblance of importance up to this point into a fighting game

@@starlite5154 God's work, that's what

@@starlite5154 Zubat for Smash.

Didn't Crystal Shards already come out by then?

Waddle Dees were already super prominent way before melee. They're the Goombas of the Kirby franchise.

Skating Bowser. That shit made no fucking sense.

King Krispy Him being hunched over is also funny imo

Brandon Williams Sakurai’s Bowser is a monstrous beast, like SM64 Bowser. That’s how Sakurai has always pictured Bowser; scary and beastly. Sm4sh/Ultimate Bowser is basically the modern Miyamoto Bowser mixed with the Sakurai Bowser

@@kevwox Calm down Alax

Hes got little wheels on his ankles

Lol so tru

Lol

@1998SIMOMEGA And he sucks in melee Hold my beer

@Citrus Gaming pichu is without a doubt one of the best low tiers. From my experience playing pichu, and in the opinion of some top players, most notably Mew2King.

@Citrus Gaming yeah, i guess if joke is a synonym for serious. Like legit i know he uses the character to troll, but listen to his reasoning, plus when's the last time you saw a recent Melee tier list put Kirby above Pichu?

I also mained charizard, wish he was a separate character in addition to Pokémon trainer so he could keep his down b

Im a kirby main since 64 and i felt that too

As a guy who mains Isabelle in ultimate and pichu in melee. I feel this

​@@LilKiwi2240Isabelle is like mid tier not ass

I feel this (Kirby main in Melee)

this aged well

@@KaizoMK Haha, good point I suppose!

That 1 frame: I can prove you wrong on that one

CreepsMcPasta people seem to forget about smash 4 bowser

Now if only Ganondorf could fight remotely like Ganondorf

wtf i havent watched your channel in five years. welcome to smash i guess

@@youtuberobbedmeofmyname I saw him comment in smash videos for a long time now so he's not new to the game

Is this a creepypasta how bad bowser was

Lol

wrrrr

That's exactly what I thought! I'm a Bowser main and HUGE Bowser fan!

@@codydavis5525 Hell yeah! Dab me up on that, homie! Sm4sh was the birth of a new era for heavyweights, and most importantly, the king koopa.

Pp

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@@iswiftyfox8997 Thank you for this interesting insight

@@CabeliotCometier shaved ballsacks?

@d R The internet was _different_ then, let's not pretend it was all fun and no drama ever. Everything was largely unmoderated so there was almost no repercussions to people doing heinous things. Like old-internet is where Goatsy and Mr. Hands became almost casual memes, posted anywhere for shock value and nothing more. There are problems with modern internet for sure, and I absolutely mourn the death of forums for a lot of reasons, but there is bad shit on both sides. Also those games still exist, lots of them anyways, people have backed up thousands of them. But uh, shockwave was made in august of 99. That's not the internet people are talking about, not the 2000's internet, that's a very very different thing than the 90's internet.

Bowser can pivot grab a planet from a different planet in Smash4

Bowser has a new moveset in Smash 4 and Ultimate

@Jeeses99 We can all agree that no super heavy in ultimate is nowhere near as trash as Melee Bowser. Ridley is just heavy, and even he is alright. Not great, but usable, a massive step up from the old Koopa in his debut

I think we can all agree that youre only saying this because you play Ridley and think hes criminally underrated

hotthorns yeah but one of bowsers big weaknesses is speed, something ridley definitely has

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That running geab is so fucking bad even an extra hitball wouldn't make the range good

Kirby: Guess I'll just enjoy using B on Donkey Kong.

Mars was also above Fire Emblem Character.

@Incidently, an Iguana *_M a r s_*

@@incidentlyaniguana2193 *B u t M a r s*

There's also the 18 people who wanted to play as Dosei (A.K.A Mr. Saturn).

@@incidentlyaniguana2193 who is mars

lmao

sweet summer child

Now you feel bad for him for a different reason

​@@notZabami lmao

LMAO

Bowser is my favorite mario character next with Wario and Luigi.

@@markurbanowicz6619 So he's your 3rd favorite Mario character?

SUSTENANCE_1 I mean like he is the best ultimate heavy as of now

Yesir.

Is he even evil though? He hasn't even violently murdered anyone. AND he goes go-karting with Mario. At this point I'm convinced Bowser and Mario are just arching each other for fun. Dude built him a theme park.

SuavePuppyGaming I’ve always been confused. What is his run animation supposed to be?

@@starman5poopman69.friends7 I want to say it's a reference to Bowser's first playable appearance being Mario Kart, but that's a big stretch at best.

@@starman5poopman69.friends7 I think it's a reference to how he moves in SMB1

Bowser runs like that in Super Mario RPG.

TURBO TURDS!

James bond had a 7 frame Jumpsquat confirmed

Sakurai hurridly reading the page. Oh they want Luigi.

Umm his downsmash one of the few multihit moves that work

@@IAm-zo1bo Peach's Down Smash says hello.

He's handsome

Him dad

He'd need to be at 200% and not dying to be big enough for viability. And even then I'm not sure that would be good enough.

wdym? It covers 3 different tv screens in totally separate matches

@@jawg0 Yeah, I remember seeing a melee tournament that had to shut down because Marth kept grabbing people who were in separate matches.

Did you just grab my ass? (Asked from a separate country) Yes. Yea I did.

@@Blu_Jay07 you got off lucky, ive seen a marth grab an audience member

Ironically the length of the hitbox is actually longer than marth’s, but the positioning of it is so bad, compared to marth’s which is actually disjointed

It’s impressive how they took out his up throw/up air combo and still made him just as good in Ultimate as in Sm4sh.

Justin Champion Justin Champion well new smash games don’t really have combos so of course he’s better for different reasons

@@NoctuaOlivae dude do you even Mario, sheik, joker, ness, roy, lucina, fox, falco, wolf, greninja, cpt falcon, young link, toon link ? Just to name a few in ultimate ... There are nasty true combos in ultimate.

Farouk Lopez I mean more than just two hit combos, or combos that use the same move over and over to juggle at low percent.

@@NoctuaOlivae I feel like you haven't watched much ultimate content. Of course, the hitstun is lower in ultimate, meaning combos aren't as free flow as in melee. However, almost every character Farouk just named has a deep, complex combo game going beyond 2 hits or chains of up tilts or whatever.

Ultimate Bowser, slow ? Lol

Ultimate Bowser is the fast heavyweight, with DK being the long range heavy weight and DDD being the heavy weight with great recovery. So he may be big, but he ain't slow. Sure, he is no Sheick, but slow? no

1998SIMOMEGA h

@@androkguz Yeh Bowser can move, why he is the best S heavy

@@androkguz “Sheick”

That aged like fine wine

One year ago already? Sora still feels fresh...

And for his neutral special, he wields a gun.

If that tech isn't "shrinks his hurtbox by 50%" I'm not sure he could ever be good.

@@lzls4379 what if it's somehow a way to kill you at 0% he'd become a massive, chunky, gimmicky and stupid glass cannon of sorts

​@@tenacity25 Depends on the difficulty of the tech. If it was an easy tech that killed you from 0% it would be worse than wobbling, which is being banned at many tournaments already. I doubt it would stay legal for long.

@@CheapShotFail ics are a good character without wobble, bowser literally having to wobble 4 stocks, and having a much harder setup into it probably would be both fair and legal

@@yellow8760 Again, depends on the difficulty of the tech. If it's significantly difficult to pull off like you say, it would probably remain legal.

I mean, I loved Bowser in Smash for Wii U and 3DS. So I believe he was good there too

It makes me so happy because he's one of my favorite characters so I'm glad he's good in ultimate XD

@@MTRZ97 As a Bowser main, I can confirm he's good in Sm4sh and greater in Ultimate

I don't play him at all, but fuck i love his new down smash and the improvements to his foward air

u4m still combo food

A *WHOLE SECOND* of landing lag

@@sulkursell9130 2 Seconds because the game was 30 Fps (Frames per a sec)

@@Mech126. every smash game runs at 60 fps. 60 has been the fighting game standard for a long time with few exceptions

@@kestrel7493 oops my mistake

Wonder if Bowser can L-cancel, every time I try he still has a lot of vulnerability

Melee Bowser to Melee Kirby: But not you. I like you. *cue awkward silence*

Bowser: I don’t need combos. They disappoint me. *Proceeds to side tilt*

Nice prequel meme

Bowser: And when I got to them, we went into, uh, aggressive negotiations Peach: Aggressive negotiations? What is that? Bowser: Well... negotiations with a Beam Sword Peach: Haha............. Bowser: *picks up apple and throws it* Bowser: If Master Hand caught me doing this he'd be VERY grumpy

Side B is also like an aerial grab, and you can likely see how that would be incredibly good for certain situations.

Have you seen the hit box for his command grab. I cry every time I see it. I want to say it's actually worse than his normal grab because you have to be smelling bowser's breath to even start worrying about getting grabbed and if bowser whiffs it's the same type of dread that hits you when you come home from work and realize you left the refrigerator door open. :(

But as always, they changed to Bowserscide in next smashs I think 4 make it "viable" to the people that just have one way of play like combo always

>Implying you can hit bowse bair

Not only is his command grab back throw a kill throw, it's the strongest in the game, with better scaling than Ness or Peach.

Please don't get the pac man mains in this community

Avatar checks out.

😎

*turns incognito mode on*

Same with anime king dedede

Yeah, Bowser's Fire Breath gives him that Impression.

Exactly. And to be fair, by 2001 Fire Emblem had 5 games, so picking one out of a series with a large number of characters wouldn't exactly be easy, so counting those votes as being for Marth/Roy isn't really unreasonable.

@@CheapShotFail Also, I don't know what regions were able to participate in the vote. If it wasn't only Japan then the Fire Emblem votes are quite large as I am pretty sure none of the FE games were released outside of Japan at that point.

@@cozmofox222 They weren't, no. Blazing Sword (FE7) was released in the west in part *because* of the popular reception Marth and Roy got after appearing in SSBM.

DJ Nintendo would be proud these words boy But don't worry, he opened my eyes and I too realise your potential. Let's keep hoping someone picks you up, I know you can do it.

I know man, I know.

@@Sians5769 I don't, however

@@tammid8423 fair point

@@Sians5769 hehe get it

...I...fucking...hate...how I understand what you're getting at

@@ilikepie19921 DAHAHA

I don't know what you're specifically referencing, but all I can think about it Coney getting a dub with a get up attack in Brawl as Dedede, and then shouting, "You died to a get up attack!"

@@toxic_shr00m ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-pwJmVpp8fng.html its the same sound effect at the beginning

​@Toxie i think it's a reference to Patrick from SpongeBob but I can't be too sure

CrappyCaptureDevice the OG Smash Historian would be so proud of his work being carried on by many RU-vidrs such as Aaronitmar’s Costume Origins and RelaxAlax’s Know Your Moves. Used to love watching History Behind Smash a lot on CrappyCaptureDevice’s Channel.

@@brandonwilliams6119 I'm glad people still remember CrappyCaptureDevice. So many great videos, long before anyone else had been doing them, and all they ever said about ending the channel was "The History Behind Super Smash Bros. Brawl project is currently SUSPENDED. I'm sorry I have to do this, but I simply have no choice." in a Twitter post from 2011. Hope they're doing alright, wherever they are.

Mish Koz crazy how almost a decade later, we have no idea what he’s up to

Are smash fans incapable of making any other joke

@@Logans_Login Probably

Little Mac honestly isn't that bad and I don't main him. He's not a particularly good character, but a good Mac player can easily get good places on tournaments.

Just be aware of your recovery, mac and cheese!

oops :V

AsumSaus *fanboy fawn* hi asumsaus...

@@thegoodgeneral ( ･ω･)ﾉ

@@AsumSaus hey melee fan! I'm you, from the future. I'm making smash ultimate clips and more about my favourite game

Did I just find another Bowser main? Nice! I love playing as Bowser too since he's my favorite character!

He was pretty ok in 4 as well. Better than melee atleast

@@MrNachtara Everyone is bad in Brawl unless you're MK, ICs, Diddy or Olimar.

@@MrNachtara Most characters are in the not viable tier in that game I'm pretty sure lol.

SpongeKiller42 mid tiers were already op in brawl

hes fucking great in Ultimate wtf?

melee HD PogChamp

Project M

@@runningoncylinders3829 get out

@@YounesLayachi wdym that's melee 2 2 2 with free dlc and better everything

Project M Baby! I’ve always wanted to give it a try.

Imagine a world where Thracia 776 is considered peak FE and everything after it is pandering to casuals (instead of as it currently is, an extremely unfair abomination that is only played to demonstrate how hilariously dumb it is)

@@RagnellAvalon The only thing that's unfair about Thracia is getting sniped by Status staves off your sight in Fog of War maps, otherwise it's just "Abuse the Warp Staff and let Asvel kill every boss", The game

I imagine little would have changed, at least outside of Japan. Roy is one of the series' most popular characters thanks to Smash but his popularity hasn't really rubbed off onto the game he comes from and the only reason Elibe is really remembered at all is because of Blazing Blade being the first game to be localised. My bet is that the only notable difference would be seen in what games get more representation in Heroes and _maybe_ which games will get a remake first in the future.

@@RagnellAvalon Now that's a bad take if I've ever seen one lmao. Did you even play Thracia or have you only heard stories?

@@RagnellAvalon Ah yes, the "thracia is unfair" strawman that people who haven't played it use as an excuse. Listen buddy, a game with so many infinite range warps and weak enemies (for the most part) could never be hard, the game is just cripted on some aspects, but that's the nature of a good amount of old school RPGs, and it's not hard to catch up on what's going on, and when you do, you can easely deal with it. Want an unfair fire emblem in terms of difficulty? Three houses maddening mode is there to cover you.

depends on if it can read the inputs of the other player. if yes: he instantly wins if not: he's not even making top 8

Blue spy he’s a late boomer

Haha, "boomer"

@@YounesLayachi Haha, "Haha, "boomer""

**Gangplank Galleon Stops**

yup brawl ganon is really fun.

you're 100% right, my bad!

Not anymore... Ganon was considered a much more viable character when the metagame was slower. He had a much easier time landing hits and getting early kills. Now the metagame is so fast, it's basically impossible. You can still win lower level tournaments against lesser players that don't know the match-up, but forget about it against any high or top level player. Tbh, if there's one character with the potential to make some unexpected noise at a major, even today, it's Young Link. He has some glaring weaknesses, but at the end of the day, he's fast and can space very well. We've seen what he can do when played by Axe and Armada, and they don't even main him. All that said, it would take some serious skill and commitment for it to happen, but the potential is there.

@@nahor88 Weirdly enough, this same thing is true in Ultimate. At first, Young Link seems to just be Link with weaker attacks, but god, his combo game is nuts when played right!

That's just bowser reading the scroll of icarian flight