WC3 - TP League S1 - Grand Final: [UD] Happy vs. Moon [NE] 

Absoluetly agree with that statement

I agree! Two of the best, and unique. Moon is Messi, Happy is Ronaldo.

Moon is like R9 or Zidane, but somehow hes still be able to hang around with Cr7 and M10... The WC3 greatest of all times.

and played with 2 hands. Sorry, but foggy do too much mechanical mistakes like losing ~10 limit per game on rallypoints.

Bang on! Foggy seemingly gave up on finesse completely and only seem to grind micro and mechanics, trying to improve his builds (with moderate success, to put it mildly). He's become unbearably predictable with his movements and decision making, also not learning much from his past mistakes - small, but tremendously impactful ones, if your opponent is Happy. This is (imho) what separates the absolute top-tier players, like Moon and Lyn from everyone else. When Moon identified the Garg switch in G5 and adjusted to it in a heartbeat, it was a spark of true genius on his part. The mana burns on statues were pretty much always there too, and shop control is also something that you simply can't forget about against Happy. Moon and Lyn both learned this, and their recent results reflect that.

also, something ppl don't notice is how moon runs away with his heroes in opposite directions whenever they are focused, which makes it very difficult for the undead to catch them and forces the army into a sub-optimal position

Yeah honestly watching Foggy play recently I feel like he's just going through the motions, doesn't really care about the game. I get it tbh, he's been grinding war3 for a long time and played countless games, but those small finesses are what separate the absolute best like Moon, Happy, Infi and the likes.

Moon plays as Sun Zu, happy plays as Clausewitz, they are both two great players , moon is more on strategy and happy is more on micro

SPOILER

@@rocco6425 Mate, at that level of play, it's almost like and advert for a must-watch. Happy's results have been so humorously one-sided, that him loosing fair and square makes it only more interesting to watch.

thanks for the spolier

He's making the best use of the fairy dragons meta. I wonder what's his plan once Happy figures out a way to beat it

True. Surely Moon will find a solution again. He is the great genius of this game

chims are quite weak vs fiends unless you get 6. thats not very viable in most 1vs1 games. Foggy has used them in like 2% of his games but you need to surprise your opponent. its not like Happy is a bad scouter.

@Taba luga You are right. However, maybe It would be viable only in a long term game with armies of 80 pop, renouncing to have a more competitive army in exchange of more destructive power on buildings

@@krissloo143 ele terá que se superar novamente. Para mim ele é o melhor jogador da história de NE.

Ne never will be :)

hmm there where huge ping differences

Great. Everyone is an emperor now

@@mir3877 no, only Happy is emperor

Invincible*

@@4bafiafzil999 how do you even correct such a poorly written sentence?

Também notei ele investigando.

Nah, let's just delete it altogether

You can, indicated by yellow / purple bars at 12 o clock between the score

@@Back2Warcraft Thank you for your answer! Yeah it is there, it's quite small though.

because of wood shortage because you use 1st ghoul to harass not lumber gathering. Or to be able to build acolytes while upgrading. Or both.

Saves lumber at the start. U can rebuild acolytes when tech and opponent is harassing.

Yes :)

@@Back2Warcraft so any reason why the best players in the world are not doing that when mana is so important? also, enemy has ZERO anti air or VERY little like one or two net spiders, why not just keep pressuring his army and picking him off / pressuring his heroes and staying further away with your heroes so they aren't in danger ok he just started doing it.. nvm

to prevent KoG from killing aco while upgrading the main necropolis

And he collected 1300 gold.

u read comments before watching the game? lmao

@@Samuel-wq9dt No, I don't usually read the comments while or before I watch a video, but I opened this video on my phone and on the youtube app you can see the first 2 lines of the comment column after opening it. Here I was spoiled directly without even having pressed play. I think it's unfair to tell others the outcome of whatever. I think you can probably agree with me here too. ;)

@@Zombieopa yeah, that sucks. Have to keep eyes off those 2 lines then :)

Panda would be more of a liability, my guess is that it’ll be targetted a lot and you can’t coil to heal it which is very problematic, plus its melee so it can’t keep its distance like a naga can

Dude, wtf, faeries are magic immune :D

@@millancche Wasn't that his point?

@@jensclarberg6419 ​ I'm not sure whose point are you refeering to right now, TrustyFoe is right, but DialetcticChaos is not, he "wonders how good would panda be as the third hero for ud against fairies", which can only imply that he is thinking about maybe using Breath of Fire against fairies. Which means he probably forgot they're magic immune. If Pit Lord's Cleave worked against air, it might be good. This way, UD in most cases must cancel expo, or it's gg.

@@millancche Maybe Alchemist would be a decent third for UD against fairies. Wth Rage and Acid-bomb.

Go away, I love him more than you!

I love Remo and Neo more 😃 no homo

3rd hero too easy to focus and kill. i guess they could go DR but destros own it or pitlord but only good high level.

UD hero leveles have a tremendous power spike early, but fall off drastically after 5. With NE it's basically the opposite - UD ults suck, NE ults are near auto win. That's why Happy is willing to share xp with a 3rd hero after his DK and Lich comfortably reach at least 3 and 2, whereas any NE will generally aim for 5-6 optimally, so a 3rd hero would only get in the way.

@@luckylarry71 yes and no at 5 5 they are pretty damn strong. only with great dh micro this is not the case.

Just 3 heroes meta is worse than 2 when VS UD

@@luckylarry71 that is objectively false reasoning. Maybe Lawliet tries to aim for Warden 6 or Demon 6 sometimes to pull out his occasional miracle win against Happy but out of all 5 games Moon didn't hit level 6 on either hero once so what you're saying is just absolutely and objectively untrue and absurd. Nelf ults are certainly excellent but you'd never give up an advantage that could help defend your expansion, win fights, push the enemy expo, etc for a super, super late game win condition that very rarely even pays off before the game is decided. Much, much more likely it is because any third hero would get focused and killed way too easily with coil nova and be more of a liability taking away moon well mana, invuls, and staffs back to base away from the DH. I mean who would you even pick up third? Panda to counter gargs? Well you'd need level 3 at least which is virtually impossible when you also need DH three asap. And something like potm or naga would get killed by DK and Lich just blinking at them.

I think he was the last one to do on so in a “fair” tourney (not huge ping difference, Happy playing UD)

Because Happy has smoked him over and over since then?

Not something new, i think lyn,120, 15sui, lawliet, fly etc did it