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why was the windlass moved in the first place maybe there was a good reason for the move seems the old owner was willing to live with the crazy set up just to have it in another spot do you know why or any thoughts
@@erichoffman8671 A vertical windlass is wrong for this boat because of the tall bulwarks. In order to make the vertical windlass work, it had to be mounted very far back to make the angle of approach as near to 90 degrees as possible. Just the wrong windlass to begin with and a installation that attempts to make the wrong windlass work as best as possible.
Yep. It’s a theme, unfortunately. Just have to work through some oddities done by previous owners. Sandflea had some similar things we had to deal with.
@@Sailboatstory i commented in a previous video about getting rid or to reconfigure the v berth in order to get rid of the chain locker and gain more space you replied you don't mind it so fair enough so you're thinking that they just used the (wrong) windlass because that's all they had was there any other configuration they could of used using the one they had so not to have it ending up the way it did
In a day when most kids are longing to distance themselves from parental oversight, it is indeed encouraging to see how much Molly values time with you both. She is absolutely adorable. Watching your adventures from Hong Kong.
We’re trying hard to raise her right. So far so good, I think! There’s always a bit of doubt if we’re doing the right thing by sharing this crazy lifestyle with her, but it’s always reassuring to hear from others who think she’s turning out to be a good kid. She is pretty fantastic.
I worked for Westsail when the 42’ was developed and helped build the prototype, so it was a treat to come across this video. Good luck with your project.
I've just typed "yacht restoration" and picked your video completely at random, and at this point I am 2:02 into the episode and subscribing. You guys remind me of how it is when I have to go away for work and I am here for folks showing genuine, happy family life!!!
Welcome to the Green Cove Springs neighborhood... We are about 100yards away from ya'll... We were just at the Marina this morning... Better get that Sun Shade up on the boat before the Florida Heat rolls in next Month... Cheers, Skipper T & Vicki--- and pup Bailey...
It's about to get HOT for sure. Just got back home and I'll be getting the "vent board" build so we can have the air conditioner running ASAP. Stop by and say hi when we're down there every other week.
The Channel Drake Paragon has the same boat and is doing extensive cruising. You might reach out to them with questions about your boat. I also noticed that the hailing port on the stern was Port Townsend WA...my neck of the woods. If you know the story of how that boat got to the east coast, your followers might enjoy that SAILBOAT STORY.
Molly cracks me up. She's such an awesome kid. Congratulations on being boat owners again! May the boat projects commence. Edit: Bottom paint has a short out of water lifespan. Would be better to give her a quick sand and roll 2 more coats on, while you're out of the water. Just a suggestion. I would never tell anyone what to do with their boat. We all have a method to our madness.
Probably a good idea. On the other hand, I'd like to have her barrier coated so perhaps we'll just roll with this paint for this season and knock it all off next summer and barrier coat. I do have to repair those deep scratches so there will be some hull repair and painting happening either way.
@@Sailboatstory So maybe you'll have to clean the bottom a little more often. I really don't see a problem of having to do it in the crystal clear warm waters of the Bahamas. 😂
@@tomd.3082 I don't mind at all cleaning it in clear water. In dirty water, it just doesn't happen. The more I clean it in the clear water means less paint to sand off. Maybe I'll clean it a few times a week while we're over there.
Howdy, bentambimolly! Excited for you to get done with your list! Put your rudder woes in rearview and drop it! The pintle and gudgeon should be inspected as that may well be the reason of your slop, possibly some worn bushing on the post going up through the bottom of the hull as well. Don't fret with glassing the stuffing box onto the hull. As it is the stuffing box is replaceable. Don't strip yourself of that! It's easier than sand flea. Just run a line from winch to cleat under rudder the. Other cleat to winch. Living on a crane is cool like that! It doesn't have far to go to drop out. I can not remember if you had a composter on sand flea. If that's your thing great! As for me. On my last boat I spent 3 days modifying the head so a nature's head would fit. You will have to raise and level the floor. Glass, gelcoat, blah. It looked great. I'm as tall as ben and my tip toes would reach the floor after I installed the head. It was a 2-1/4" raise. After it was all said and done I was some 1200 bucks into a project and my entire family hated the thing. Some 6 or 7 gnats always hung around, it ALWAYS stunk. Wife did all a lady could think of, coco fiber, hydrogen peroxide, special 3 day coco fiber expansion, stick ups, extra exhaust fans, begging and pleading to make it livable as it was her pet project. But it stunk. Alot. If I'd have had the money back I might consider a lectra-san. Our Morgan 41 has the original holding tanks from 1988 my head smells like citrus scrubbing bubbles as long as it is scrubbed daily, and jabsco's maintained. We have decided it's worth every bit of mess I have to deal with come maintenance time to never smell a composter again. Of course, I'm delivering a boat from port Canaveral to boot key this week, it's got a stinking composter 🙄. I'm super excited for tambi to show off the sewing skills! Easily my favorite part of boat work!
Congrats, you three. We are at the point at which land sickness makes living on land unsettling. It must be nice to rested and actually giddy about boat projects.
Do you feel all shaky and weird when taking a shower on land? I remember that feeling after being on the boat a long while. Yeah we'll try our best to keep the excitement going. Have to stay motivated despite the 14 hour round trips and soon-to-be 100 degree temps.
@@Sailboatstory Yes. We suffer from landsickness. Really bad, actually and always the worst in the shower. Sitting on a toilet, on land, requires handicap bars for me. Best wishes for a fun time with your new boat.
And very smart. Keep her on the boat and out of public school and she will turn out better than 90% of the kids. (Notice, I pulled the 90% figure out of my ass but I’m sure I’m close.)
Congrats on picking a great design. Those Westsail 42/43s are built much better than most boats today and are much more comfortable at sea and able to withstand an accidental grounding which would destroy the grid on the modern mass-produced vessels (though the Westsails don't have those wonderful swim-step transoms of the newer boats). I've buddy boated with a Westsail 42 through the South Pacific, and they are surprisingly fast too. As for the rebuild, like they say; It will take twice as long and three times as much money as you ever envisioned" - so don't get discouraged if it takes longer and costs a lot more than you expected - especially with the global supply shortages and delays of much needed parts.
Thanks, Eric. Happy to hear that she's worth the blood, sweat, and tears. We're already hard at work on her. Trying to stay VERY focused on the priority projects that improve her safety and reliability. So far so good. Our plan is to get a lot done this Summer, do a Bahamas season as a long "shakedown", come back and work on her another Summer, and then stretch out on a longer cruising trip after that.
Looks like a really nice boat! You guys learned plenty from the previous boat, so this one will be very seaworthy before you get her back in the water. Everybody loves cruising, but there is a certain enjoyability to the restoration work as well. I find that i spend more time restoring boats than I spend using them.
I agree. The refits are tough, but there is something that I enjoy about them. Perhaps it's the anticipation of seeing all the hard work being worthwhile.
Hello, Love the channel. You may want to consider installing a hatch when you move the windless. Would save all the work of patching and give Molly some light and ventilation in the V berth. Just a thought. Keep up the great work.
We’re just talking about that today as we were working in the vberth. Very little air movement up there. I hate to lose that great flat deck space though, but something needs to happen.
Welcome to the Westsail Family. We are the keepers of a seagoing cruising legend. Boat work is the Westsail way of life, as all of our boats are "senior citizens" and all need upgrades and refits to keep them going. Kinda' of a wonderful feeling owning a living legend, right? Will follow your progress and hope to see you all out there sometime! S/V Glorious W32 #42 Alameda, Ca.
Mammoth project.....but you seem to have it broken up into manageable pieces and a solid plan to move forward.....YALL rock so glad to see u all back.....
It's good to see another boat refurbishment, might suggest you watch how Maz on Sail Life rebuild his yacht very interesting with lots of helpful hints.
It does suck, but trying to make the best of it. Can't wait to get this boat out there and do some cruising. Looking forward to seeing how much of a difference this boat will be in the ocean compared to our Endeavour 32.
Great episode. The list makes me tired just watching but I know in the interest of safety and comfort, all necessary to finish. About Molly. Her smile add so much to each episode. Clearly you both are great parents as evidenced in your daughter, growing up before our eyes. All the boat stuff is important but raising a daughter like Molly , or in my case, Megan, is the most important job of your lives. Looking forward to watching the changes in the boat with each new episode. Keep up the good work and thanks for sharing.
Install a top mount for the quadrant. A shaft shank on the top going into the quadrant. Mount the shaft shank to a cross bar that mounts to both starboard and port. Use brackets on starboard and port with nuts and bolts in order for removal/service.
I'm not familiar with that setup, but I'll look into it. Need to build some support into the upper end of the system somehow. I thought that perhaps shimming might be the quickest way to go, but all options are on the table right now.
Painting the inside of the tanks is a very good idea. I did the same with POR15 fuel tank paint for the reason that Bio-diesel is not compatible with regular epoxies, I do not know about the Gflex if it is. I wish you both good luck and a lot of patience. Do not set your expectations to get back into the water too high, there is always a new project that comes up which delays things. Cheers, Richard
Yeah the Gflex650 stands up well to fuels. We're trying to stay very focused and prioritized. Thanks for the wish for our patience to hold up. That's going to be much needed.
Yep, finding some treasures already. You just reminded me of a different treasure we found recently. A 2 conductor wire that had been cut, stripped, had bare ends about 1" apart, was HOT, and wired directly to the batteries. Yeah... a different kind of treasure.
@@Sailboatstory pretty crazy. I actually found two jumper wires a negative and a positive with alligator clips that were connected to my house battery just flopping around in my battery compartment 😒
The boom is not going to be in the gallows while you sail ! The topping lift should lift the boom about a foot above your head ! Double check before you take out the deck in the cockpit ! It could be a project left for last if the boom topping lift gets the boom out of the way .
Coulda swore the boom stayed in the gallows the whole time. 😇 Of course, you're right. Removing the cockpit flooring is way down on the priority list. We considered raising the boom altogether to get more clearance to raise the whole bimini up for standing headroom, but I think we'll roll with it how it is for now and consider changing it once we've lived with it a while.
That low boom is a potential killer. Why not raise the boom on the mast, you may have to recut the sail to fit but it is a small price to pay to keep your head intact and you could keep the floor.
It's on the list, but a low priority item. Probably do that after our first season out. There's already so much to do, just having to be really focused and not to spread to thin or we risk missing another season.
Congratulations on the boat. Glad you found something that fits your needs. I almost needed a nap after listening to your list! Speaking of napping, not sure I understood the modifications to the aft berth, but keeping a bow to stern orientation on the bed would be more comfortable on passage. Just a thought.
Thanks Alan. We've thought about that aft bed arrangement on passage, and you're right. We're more concerned with comfort at anchor though, but we might be able to set it up in a way that works for both uses. We'll see.
The angle of the anchor windlass may work better where it is. I would seriously consider looking below and modifying some type of chute to force the chain back forward to the locker. Consider the angle of chain and room for snubbing the anchor before moving it all the way forward again.
I appreciate the advice, and you're correct, but liveability is a higher priority for us than the ideal windlass location. Trying to strike a balance between the ideal equipment setup and comfort. At this point that windlass is already removed, the holes filled and I'll be cleaning it up shortly to liquidate it. The windlass solution we're going to attempt is going to be HUGELY unpopular, but much of what we do is going against the flow. I purchased a Seatiger 555 manual windlass that we're going to rebuild and try. This next season will just be a Bahamas run so we're not stretching out very far if we end up hating it, but it's something we've got to try.
Do not glass in your rudder gland, it needs to be able to move with any post movement. Keep your shaft packing ... re-pack it or simply tight it a couple turns on the nuts. You have a "dripless" fail at sea and your out of luck. Traditional you can tighten and/or re-pack in the water. I don't really care for the 42 center cockpit. I don't like center cockpits in genera. My friend has a 42 and I think the space down below is better used.
I'm with ya. I learned pretty after communicating that idea that it wasn't the right approach. Right now the idea it so somehow shim up the gap from inside - between the rudder post and fiberglass tube. We'll just have to see how it's set up once I get everything taken apart. As far as aft vs centercockpit go - to each their own?
Lordy, replacing the cutlass bearing and installing the dripless stuffing box probably will require removing the rudder...or the engine :'( Hopefully you will get lucky and can move the shaft far enough forward and aft to get-er done. Congratulations on the new boat and Good luck!
Exciting project …very nice boat!…beautiful family …after completing a very extensive refit on a vagabond 42 , I have a few comments to offer…Before relocating the windlass , id see how she sails with the chain rode where it sits compared to moving forward…it may have been relocated because of too much weight forward…however , there may be a way to relocate windlass to forward , and still stack chain more aft…the soft sole may be able to be firmed up with a two part epoxy that I used on very soft spot on mine…it won’t change discoloration ( which always bothered me ) but worked like a charm…I assume you have cast iron fuel tanks…I don’t know anything about the product that you’ve mentioned to treat inside , but I don’t think I’d be comfortable with that regardless of what is said about it…it’s a big job, but I’d want the confidence of clean fuel , and less chance of leakage , and just replace them with stainless…it appears that you’ll still want to clean all corrosion outside of tanks and treat as well…you’ll have to remove them to do that too.. The depth of the wooden cockpit box with ignition is designed to allow protection, while you can still reach with your hand under glass panel to operate… I will check on your progress!..it was a very exciting time for me and my family completing , and then sailing our beautiful yacht after completion…I wish the same for you! Cheers!
Great video. I am sure this has been mentioned before, but I am sure there must be a Westsail owner's message board online that you can get a lot of help and suggestions from.
Oh my god....your description of getting the PO's stuff off the boat, brought back bad memories for me as well. It was to the point that I actually got tennis elbow from hauling stuff out. Open a cupboard, broken lamps....open another cupboard, old paint cans....open another cupboard, a saddle(!?!) Old TV's old books....It was a major effort.
@@Sailboatstory You can imagine my face when I opened up the doors. I have to say, the whole opening intro with Molly made me smile. My daughter is also a red head and both girls have similar mannerisms, (Smiles a lot, jokes, burns people with hell fire when angry), so there are a lot of parallels there.
Yep, that’s exactly what it does. Orange juice caps and all. Sandflea has the same setup but on the port side. Well, same in principal but much different in execution.
Plenty to do but nothing really bad or show stopping so full steam ahead. Other channels have holes in the hull or keels falling off so all in all you are in a happy place.
keep the deck flooring, but take it out. you may deside to use it. you can also look into raising the boom a few inches, it might solve your head ache problem 🙂 good luck.
if the tagging on the wiring doest even add up, it would be wise to give it a real good in depth look. after all it is one of the major causes of fire aboard
So, after you two (and Molly. . .,) take the two weeks to get all the stuff done you mentioned here, what are your plans for the LONG term. . .!!! 🤣🤣🤪🤪👍👍
Nav Instruments - try rotating them into the companionway while sailing - They should be able to display all the information you need. I don't think it was designed to look at through the window. The bracket looks like ti will pass through just nicely above the handrail for the ladder.
Yeah that’s how it last boat was set up and we loved it. It’s not the idea that we don’t like, it’s the clunkiness of the execution. Just going to simplify it.
Damn! That girl looks just like her moma! (probably a good thing) Planning to head South to the Bahamas from the Chesapeake this Fall, maybe I'll be able to meet up with you guys somewhere...Love watching your videos! Beautiful boat.
Love the channel guys! Been following your journey since the beginning, and Molly is growing up so fast! Huge congrats on the purchase! Regarding the v berth: have you thought about just adding a false ceiling of sorts directly below the windlass? Idk. I’m picturing a sloped ceiling/trough that feeds the chain forward into the original holding locker, shaped like a triangle but wide enough to conceal windlass if that makes sense. It’s hard to tell if that would be too intrusive (it may very well be), but just a thought! That way you wouldn’t have to move the windlass at all. Congrats again, and looking forward to seeing you guys make the boat yours. You guys rock!
Thanks Craig. I’ve had similar ideas of ways to beat work with what’s already there. The ceiling height in there is already quite low. I’d say probably not much more than 2’ or so over the sleeping platform. Not room to sit upright, for sure. I feel like the way to do it is relocating the windless to free up that space inside, which also frees up useful space on the foredeck.
Hope the boat and sailing all goes well for your family..If your looking at 24 volt solar panels the LG brand is stopping production and sales so probably better to source other brands .If you can reach the extra costs for more panels of 12 volts in parreral tha has advantages against the shadow problems that cause big problems for much cheaper per watt 24 volt types
On one of my boats I pulled out enough wire to fill a 50 gal. barrel. The PO said he was an electrician. I think he made birdnests for a living. To rewire the entire boat took less than half what I pulled out.
Just switch some labels on the panel no big deal. and maybe don’t fibreglass the rudder stuffing box in place. it’s they way it is for a reason i’m sure. i bet the play in it is no big deal.
Yeah I'm with you. I think fiberglassing the rudder gland is a no no. Perhaps shimming it is the answer. We'll see once I get it taken apart. There ARE rudder stuffing boxes that are designed to be load bearing and fiberglassed into place, but the one we have is not that type.
Have you considered / priced bladders for the fuel tanks ? I'm an old retired aircraft mechanic and I know they can be very durable. Just a thought . I do not know if bladders are used in boating .
Some folks use them, but I don't know much about them. The tanks have an epoxy and fiberglass layer on the bottom externally, which is a great feature. I feel like adding the internal sealant as well should really boost their longevity. It's a tough step to consider with the added cost and time, but it feels like something we should do while we have the opportunity.
@@Sailboatstory I noticed there are several manufacturers in the US but again , custom bladders could be price prohibitive . You know more about what you can do so my ideas are just top of the head stuff . I can't imagine all you are about to endeavor . Wishing you all the best fortune throughout !❤
@@gregoryfranklin5108 The endeavor will never actually end while we own a boat, but I feel pretty good about knocking out the high priority projects by the end of the year. Just gotta stay motivated and keep chipping away at it.
Just discovered your channel and congratulations on your new boat. If you look up the channel ( Drake Paragon) and he has the exact same boat you have. They have sailed all over the world. It's a great channel and you might get some ideas about how they have their West Sail 42 set up. It's a great channel and his early videos show how he remedied some of the issues he had with his boat. The channel Sail Live this guy completely rebuilt a Warrior 41 0r 42 . OMG, he made that boar brand new from the bottom up. There is a ton of great references on what he did to this boat as it was old when he got it. What a great reference you might find on some of the things you want to do. Sounds like you've had other boats but I wish you the best. I highly recommend Sail Life channel.
The waterline painted on the boat would rise as weight is taken off. The water line where the water strikes the boat would be lowered. Give your wife credit for the correct answer.
We did a tour a few videos back before we bought it and we'll do another once she's put back together after the refit. I would certainly watch Tambi's bikini tutorials.
Happy to see your new boat got to say that I am a little disappointed 😞 that you did not make videos like the ones you made finding the sand flee just saying love the channel safe travels
