Update : firmware update 4.0 is released, in the mean while I’ll be making a video about this so please report back in real time your thoughts if autofocus issue has been resolved.
The green box is a lie! That's honestly my biggest gripe. Not only can't the camera do continuous subject detect focus consistently (in my experience, even on subjects sitting still), but it lies about it. Hard to trust the tool when it lies to you.
@@jcar4522 They got back to me the same day saying that there was an update for the X-H2S within a couple of days and “more to come” at the end of June 🙏
@@helldriver1957 They have just released 6.01 few hours ago and doesnt fix anything. Do you mean there'll be another one in addition to the 6.01 in June? To be honest, too late... im looking for a6700 or fx30
Can we create a Patreon for you wife please? You got her out there zig zagging, dogging tree leaves & sun rays, holding "Help Me" signs, it's a sad look. We won't stand for this! lol
@@edvard2942 LOL! FORGOT YOU GOT HER TOO! Where do you guys find these women, I cant even point my camera to my wife without her giving me the death stare lol - PROPS!
Interesting. Recently in my tests, I also find that the camera has A LOT of issue to AF especially when you have flowers or leaves around the subject, which can sometime be problematic. For those kind of shots, I just disable the subject detection all together to work around... but yeah, they really need to improve this. Get some engineers from other companies and get your AF system at the same level, that should not be such a big deal Fuji...
Before Fujifilm constantly increase the prices of cameras and lenses, they should first deliver reliable products that correspond to the current technical standards.
They would if they could. Realistically, they are just incapable due to incompetency. Let's just accept it after years of fixing, but still not being able to provide a reliable focusing.
I really do hate when the fanboys say, “ you just don’t know how to set up the AF, you have the wrong settings “. Why do I need to dive deep into the menu and spend hours tweaking and experimenting on each setting? On my Canon, I put it in the mode I want and it works like 90% + of the time. I’ve never tweaked any AF setting on my canon r6
Well said. When I was using the fuji, I've to constantly put myself on high alert mode when shooting important events such as wedding and baptism. Because in the past, my fuji lost focus on important moments. It was very easy on a6000 made me felt like I was cheating (after switching from dslr) before I switched to fuji and it is also very easy on the R6 and R6II that I'm using now. Never the need to deep dive into menu to change AF settings for different scenario. They just work.
I just play with xt4 my friend camera today street photo the result night and day for movement subject compare to my a9 I though I never interest in fuji anymore
Totally agree with this. I've recently come back to photography and trialed a few systems before ultimately going with an X-H2. I like the camera, I like their colour science, and I just preferred it over the others I trialled. However, the Sony A7iv straight out the packet pretty much had telepathic AF. I did nothing other than stick it in eye tracking. It dared me to try and unstick it. It just wouldn't let go. The Fuji on the other hand has two issues: 1. As expertly demonstrated here, even though the box says it's locked on the face/eye, when you review the shot it's actually focused somewhere/something totally different. 2. Sometimes halfway through tracking, and with no reason, it drops the face and the box moves to (try) and focus on something that is definitely not a face, eye, or anything vaguely similar! Sort it out Fuji. I way prefer your cameras to Sony, but your AF game definitely needs improving!
I have had xh2s since release and it’s always been totally shit for photos. Images are always super soft from missing critical focus. I only use Fuji for video now as the original xh2s firmware seemed to be ok for video but now they are just expensive paper weights. Was contemplating a gfx100ii/xt5 combo for weddings but not now. Also under the same heat conditions my xt3s will record allgood but the xh2s will overheat.
It looks like it’s not just simple fix, probably bad software and badly maintained so now it’s easier to write it from scratch than fix. Unfortunately business has to go on and doing this from scratch is very expensive and time consuming.
@@zenstoodi When they fix it, it will benefit them more than us. I love Fujifilm because of their colours, and I do not have any intention of changing systems
@@asafoadjei1 sure but for now photography division was for Fuji more like “hobby” than big business (maybe except Instax). After X100vi success they could invest more but I am not sure they will.
Couldn't agree more with how frustrating this is. My iPhone photos look sharper more often because of how Fuji constantly just misses by a little - even with stationary subjects. Shooting with the XS-20 and the fuji 18-55mm f2.8-4.
As a fujifilm (camera) fan, I really appreciate your patience and thoroughness in the tests. As you said, yes the price for these cameras and lenses shouldn't justify these AF results. As a hobby landscape and birding photographer, it is an issue for half the photos I take... And yes it unfortunately changes how I feel about the brand... Given it is just a hobby for me, I don't feel compelled to change systems (again, since I had switched from sony to fujifilm due to colors and manual controls).
I've felt the same way since I bought the XT5. I shoot a lot of weddings and couple sessions, and I realized that when objects move quickly, the result is a lot out of focus. I thought it was just a firmware issue, but after I updated it, it looks the same, no change I feel. I was surprised because the green box seemed to work fine on my camera's lcd. But the results after I checked on the computer were out of focus. Even when I took a picture where the object was not moving, it was still out of focus! Even though the green box looked in focus! After I watched this video, I was convinced to sell my XT5 as soon as possible.
I just shot a Muay Thai tournament and had to spray and pray with AF Tennis mode and I had similar rate. Green box 100% bang on, but 50% on focus using the 16-55. Crazy.
@@Iamtongue I was in release mode because of the action. I wonder if I had used Focus mode for a few of the fights if I would have seen more hit? Were you in release or focus for the test?
@@Iamtongue for sure its not only you, as a fuji wedding videographer I go to weddings wondering how the camera is going to performance at that wedding, specially talking about AF... I ALWAYS wonder myself why tf i picked Fuji over sony... I need a reliable camera for a profesional work...Thats something Fuji should think about if they dont want people going to other companies...
I have noticed a similiar problem with my XH2S. AF feels spotty where I get the green box on the head or eyes. Instead of them being in focus, I get something completely different. Even for a brief moment during filming, the focus will jump to the background instead of the subject. Its a valid criticism. I don't expect Fuji to have Sony's or Canon's AF but it should be expected to do better than a 50% hit rate. If not firmware updates, then their next processor needs to vastly improve upon AF.
Glad this is finally getting some more attention. I bought the X-H2 early last year, and sold it after 3 months because the AF is nearly unusable if you want to capture any action. Fuji really needs to up their game, they're dead last by a mile in this regard. Never believe reviewers, always check forums for complaints, that's what I learned from this purchase. I'm very happy with the Z8 I got to replace my Fuji.
I always wonder how Fuji can still exist when you can buy a reliable Sony for almost the same price? I don't care about the brand, but the camera has to be reliable and Fuji is currently not, just overrated, hyped and overpriced.
I personally refuse to buy any Fuji cameras until I see drastic improvement of auto focus, I am holding on to XT3 still. Sony and Panasonic are technology companies Fuji is cameras and health care manufacturers.
Truth of the matter firmware can only fix so much. Nikon learned this and created a whole new processor for the Z9, Z8 and Zf. Firmware got the gen 1 Zs to respectable autofocus, but not even close to the current gen AF. Fuji need to work on the hardware.
hope not. I will not invest any longer into false promises. I had the X-T1 and X-E2, the X-T3 and X-e3 (still have the later but need a replacement because of the AF) and now the X-T5. Plus replaced most of the gen1 lenses with the newer versions. Because marketing and YTers told me so. I am done with more investment. They have to fix this on this chip.
I respectfully disagree with this. You can refer to Edvard's video comparing the AF between a 10 years old Sony a6000 against Fuji XH2s. Even thought a6000 wasn't perfect in every situation, it performed significantly better than the XH2s that has much newer and advanced processor. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-K0ub7poyQPA.html With Fuji, it was never the hardware, it was always the AF algorithmn, or to be more precised, their coder.
@apamacam4838 this is where you are incorrect. If it was software, it would have been corrected. Nikon had a more recent processor and it still didn't compare. The processor sucked. Nikon went back to the drawing board and created a whole new processor and whoever the engineers were, there were better engineers wren they created the next processor. Fuji just has bad engineers.
Your credibility is skyrocketing, appropriately, due to your honest assessment of Fuji's AF. I'm a Fuji fanboy, and I'm not looking to jump ship, so I very much appreciate you using your platform to speak on our behalf. Btw, my X-T5 XF 150-600 AF seems to be worse after the most recent firmware (3.01), it was decent, but not great, on the previous firmware.
This was one of the issues why I switched from Fuji to the Nikon ZF. Yes I'm losing compactness and the aperture ring on the lenses but the Nikon's AF and Low Light performances perform way over Fuji. I still love Fuji and still hold an X100V but trying to get that consistent AF was not doing it with Fuji. It's disheartening because Fuji is known to have AF issues and still haven't improved to some degree.
Speaking facts! Hopeful that more youtubers who actively use Fuji cameras to call them out on this. Hey Fuji, how about you take those massive profits you're getting from the X100 cameras and go poach some engineers from Sony or Canon or hell even Nikon.
Fuji is sucks in every thing that is software related... Phone App is sucks IBIS is sucks Autofocus is sucks And it's not gonna get any better since they don't have the knowledge
I've avoided the tracking mode since getting into Fuji because of all of that's been said on RU-vid. Therefore, I've never really tested it haha, but I can understand why it would be annoying, particularly if you need the eye tracking to work reliably. I shoot mostly sports/action photography and videography since getting the X-T4 a year ago. I always use single point or zone in continuous mode for photos and the hit rate has been great. For video, i use multi mostly because for surfing using F8 or higher means the depth of field ensures i never really have a problem with the autofocus. If the subjects are closer it's probably 50/50 between area and multi, depending on the aperture and light and it's been fine for me. Overall, I think you're good if you use single point or zone with the relevant AF mode (at least with my camera anyway). It would be nice if Fuji's tracking could be reliable (especially if the other brands are continuing to improve fast), but when it comes to sports photography, most RU-vid videos I've seen still recommend using the single point continuous anyway, even with a mirrorless Canon for example. Therefore, for my needs I'm really happy with it.
I don’t use the tracking often so maybe that’s why I don’t have these problems too often. I’m usually in AF-S/C using single point or zone. I think those work pretty well. I don’t wanna throw the whole AF under the bus, but it does need work. I don’t know the full specs of what the new generation processor is supposed to handle and can handle, but I do wish the updates came faster. Maybe they need to update the lens firmwares too when they’re rolling out new af algorithms.
Man I feel you on this. As someone who's spent the $2k for the H2S and the $1.5k or so for the 150-600 for wildlife. I'm extremely disappointed that even though you get such good tracking with the box. The actual hit rate is abysmal and misses way too much. And this isn't talking birds in flight. A bird sitting in a branch should be easy to focus onto lol. EDIT: Also idk what it is. But firmware 6.00 somehow made things even worse. I wish I could revert back.
It's sad that a video like this just gets someone like you removed from the pre-release testing program at Fuji. They don't know how to take constructive criticism or they just don't care. It seems the problem is that the R&D department at Fuji doesn't pay attention to what the community says if it's not about film simulations. They listen to the "we want Reala Ace!!!" whining rather than creating reliable autofocus. In the end, the film simulations only look like film to someone who has never seen the film stocks that they claim to "reproduce" and the autofocus should be the main feature of a camera. After all we can get our simulations in LR or C1 with presets and styles. The sad reality is that my manual focus hit rate is better than the tracking hit rate on the xt5. I did the same test with the XH2S and found that the results were only marginally better...40/65. I have an old Sony a73.... 55/65, that just hurts especially when you realize that the Sony is a FF sensor so the DOF is another complication for the AF. I am fortunate enough (or dumb enough, depends how you look at it) to own cameras from a bunch of different brands from Leica to Sony to Fuji and Olympus. I've made a good living with them all. It isn't until you use other brands that you realize how bad Fuji autofocus actually is. It's the lenses that keep that system in my cabinet. Amazing illustration of the problem though. They need someone like you on staff to vet the testing process or they'll get buried.
I've had Fuji for over a decade, last with the X-H2S. Firmware 6 was the last straw. I've had the LM lenses, and used every setting imaginable. It doesn't help at all. I am realistic and love almost every other thing except what the X-H2S hung it's hat on, AF. The Fuji apologists will attack you if you dare say anything to indicate that they aren't the best at anything. Quite ridiculous really. I try an R6MII with a crappy lens, no AF setup at all, and in the first few minutes everything was in perfect focus for moving targets. Fuji promises but continues to underdeliver. I am not brand loyal to anything at all and really did not want to leave Fuji, but they wouldn't fix what I wanted from a camera.
BRO...! You need to switch to AF selector to "M" and get a lens with an F22 aperture. You then set 5 meters as the focus point at F22 while using iSO 8000. At that point all your AF problems BE Goneeeee....!!!!! (Insert Pulp Fiction GIF here.)
I absolutely love so much about Fuji cameras: their glass, the tactile feel, the colors including the log video, but I don't want to be a beta tester for their terrible firmware, and their video image stabilization is the worst in the industry and so is their autofocus. Still subjects? Great, no problems. But it's not feasible to use for sports, wildlife, pets, even pictures of your kids. And vlogging or FPV video? Need a gimbal. I very sadly left them for Lumix/Canon and was re-evaluating now a few years later, but nothing has changed. Now Lumix has Real Time LUTs, Canon has custom picture profiles that are basically LUTs, and even Sony has Picture Profiles which are much less user-friendly and a bit less flexible, but all three can get a certain "Film Sim" look SOOC. I actually have a custom Classic Neg look for JPEGs on both my Canon and Lumix cameras and it's awesome when I just want something nice and easy SOOC. And I get great image stabilization, autofocus, modern user interface, etc.
X-T2 and X-T5 user. X-T5 gives you the idea that it is much faster... Not so much! Yes.. it seems a lot swifter because of the green box confirming focus much faster.. when in truth.. it is not. I get home just to get disappointment! Most photos are not proper focused. I am honestly tired of this.
Funny how edvard released a video comparing the AF of the X-H2s (the fastest Fuji) against the Sony a6000 and it is sad to see. Fuji really needs to get their AF improved because now Nikon is going for the retro body and Lumix after the films sims/recipes with their LUTs.
Bro! I couldn’t take it anymore… sold my X-T5 and thought I’d try out the X-H2… did the update and the autofocus was still bullshit. Anyways, went and bought a Sony A7RV two days ago and it’s incredible. Even the A7IV was fantastic. I feel bad about jumping ship but my workflow is soooo much better.
I’m happy with Fuji. I see how frustrating it can be but I shoot still or slow moving stuff. I’m very happy with what I have in the X-T5 and how it performs.
Lol the way you spoke about Fuji today, I did not expect that from one of the biggest fuji supporters. But it is refreshing to hear this because it is annoying missing AF shots. The XH2s is a great quality camera but when shooting video and I miss shots I am tempted to buy a sony or lumix.
@@jcar4522 I hear y'all but remember Sony's got firmware problems too and they also deprecate features just like the best of them. This whole industry is trash
... the dilemma with going to Sony or Lumix is that you may have to spend much more to get better rolling shutter performance and more fps in both mechanical and electronic shutter. On paper X-H2s should destroy anything near its price-point, but its AF performance is its Achilles' heel!!!
@@GrayGhostDog1 preach. I'm a person that owns essentially a body in every system and I can tell you it's a frustrating prospect waiting for someone to come out with just that right camera. In fact, to be perfectly honest with you, I think a whole bunch of people put AF plus MF override. And actually the 1.0 and 2.0 software were actually really good on the xh2s, 3.0 was okay too, And apparently 5.0 was okay for some stuff as well. But yeah, it's just a frustrating prospect. I think with the point to touch functionality they're shoehorning in starting with some of the stuff at the gfx level, it set themselves back
@@haloboy456 ... I agree. When Nikon released the Z8 it was the closest thing to the hybrid camera I would possibly consider, but I'm not a full-frame snob so I try to find the most feature-rich hybrid cameras for the money. IMHO, Sony's shortcomings gets glossed over most likely because of their AF performance... had both the A7SIII and A7IV and they, too, had several shortcomings. Hopefully, Fujifilm gets their AF performance up to the standards that it appears the majority of individuals out there require.
I knew from the first day that their explanation about a new processor as a reason why they were not able to improve xt3/4 af to be at the same level as on 5 generation models was a bullshit! I like Fuji very much, but I am also very happy that this is the end of the story. If they launch any new model with this same bullshit af they are history. They need to get rid of all people who participated in af department and start from the scratch.
We needed this video. That lying sonavabitch green box on my xh2 is the main reason I sold it. Moved back to canon after a 2 year marriage with Fuji. The canon r6ii is alien technology compares to the fuji autofocus system. One thing I like about fuji is that their camera and lens value does not go down much in value and selling is so easy. My xt3 with the 33 1.4 is actually a lot better and more accurate than the xh2. Slower af tracking, yes but the the accuracy is actually there and i am talking about af-c. Those fuji fanboys that say “just use af-s”, i might as well use my old 5dii. I paid a premium, i expect a premium experience. Fuji colors are freakin great but damn full frame cameras even at way lower megapixels resolve a lot better. Fuji with their crop is already at a disadvantage, add they crap af, oh boy. Those x100vi users have better photos of their camera than actual photos of their shots.
Well just used an XH2S at a major dog show recently. Epic fail. Way too many dropped images due to missed focus. Even used a brand new 150-600mm. Terrible hit rate. So sold off my Leica SL2 and 4 SL lenses. Will keep the Fuji but going Canon R5ii and the R1 when it drops. Sorry I left the 5DM4 yrs ago.
Waiting for Fuji fanboys to fly out now from their nests to sting us with the truth ! I did the same tests comparing X-S20 to Canon R8 and its worlds apart. Fuji can miss focus even if my kid is standing still. With Fuji I basically always revert to AF-C zone focus and do bursts to make sure at least one photo is in perfect focus. With Canon I don't need to do anything and it's hard to find a photo that is out of focus. That being said I added X-E4 with 27mm prime as it's where Fuji shines. Their small bodies and primes shine for fun street shooting.
the question i have people is why buy a fuji film, when you know sony and canon have better autofocus. This is not even something new, i know this, i have used sony and came back to Fuji because i have no issues if i miss a few shots, but the whole process and the colours straight out of camera from a GFX and even the XT is far superior to a Sony. The Sony might have better hit rate but they also miss. Sports photographers and fashion photographers in the early 90's amd early 2000's did fine with DSLR's which had no AI or advanced autofocus. So my question is do you want a computer or a camera. Understand you want Fuji to deliver a better autofocus system, but i dont see anyone giving sony grief about how boring their camera is and how bad their files are straight out of camera and how they render skin tones. I am not a fuji fan boy, but just get annoyed that people only focus on autofocus in photography. there is more to it than in photography, might be worthwhile looking at some real photographers work and the masters work, they captured images and told stories, not so worries on the capturing the right or left eye everytime.
Thank you for all your tests and speaking up about it. I am so frustrated with Fujifilm and I feel depleted. I don't even want to go out shooting any more. I have x-t3 with 100-400 which was a big spend years ago and I got lots of great shots of birds of prey mostly not moving. Wanted more read so bought 150-600 this year but now I want birds in flight. Hesitantly trusted fuji with the x-t5 with bird subject detection, I already have the lenses. I was excited to see green box on birds eye flying around ... omg I can't wait to get home. Get home and it is all shit!!!!! Over and over technique, settings watching other reviews, back out and then same garbage. The 40 mega pixel sensor I find noisy when it gets even a little dusk like in wildlife, I'm not happy with the sensor or is it the focus...fffff I don't know anymore. I want to love my fuji, I look at other cameras thinking of changing but I love fuji colors, fuji style. Not buying anything else fuji for a long time till it absolutly works. I may even buy ........ SONY!!!!
You should, to be honest, vintage bodies like Fuji ones are made to idiots like me to avoid going to other camera brands like Sony, but... Do you want a good result or a beautiful camera? No excuses, stop making the same camera (xt-50, xt-5, x100vi...) and shitty lenses (16-50 f4'8???? Who tf want that) and fix main things to make Fuji a professional camera brand...
Completely agreed with you. From all Fuji defenders you will hear that you have to change settings, you are using wrong lens, you have to switch this and change that... NO, we all have to admit that their AF is completely messed up... I have 3 FUJI camera bodies but I am not using them professionally fortunately. X-S10 AF is a shit, xt3 is ok for photos, X-s20 better but we have 2024 and those new cameras should have no issues, especially after last upades... but I am scared to update my X-S20 because of last fuji update which cempletely destroyed AFC and tracking in X-h2s and X-H2. It is just crazy because they did not even say anything about fixing it on last summit. It seems like fuji doesn't even care about camera users who already bought their products... just releasing tons of new cameras with shitty AF... for what? For who? Fuji should stop releasing and start fixing...
OK this channel got good points with the s9 but is now turning another drama so let papa faige lay it out to you and everyone who just complains. 1. Fujifilm, sony, panasonic, nikon all knows their issues but they will not address their shortcomings. They will fix and sell it in another camera as a feature so all these whining is pointless and just adds discourse. 2. If you want braindead AF just go with the Sony, S5ii or nikon. Fuji's AF is so bad try shooting it below your face and its AF will focus on the nose despite the box being on the eyes. 3. Know your darn camera, just because the AF is bad doesnt mean you cant do magic with it. These opinion hitpieces is honestly TRASH because you are focusing on what does not work instead of trying to find out HOW to make it work. Thats the GOLD content, when you can tell folks oh hey you know camera sucks at this but I can drive this baby see? All these brand manufacturer knows! And your people already have the camera so instead of whining(we have fkn casey for that) just make it work good lord! Go watch ermia's video about a cheap camera being hollywood level. Thats an xh2s with a fuji 18mm lens, do you think he did not get around its limitations?
I don’t use my X H2s or X T5 with that kind of subject tracking like you did so af is fine for me. I shot a wedding with the X H2s and I got so many great shots out of thousands using the 50 140 and 56mm wr 1.2. My af hit rate was 95% plus. But yes that sucks as far as the results you got. Canon and Sony definitely are much better in that regard.
Note that the X-H2S has better AF performance than all the 40MP cameras of the same generation, because of the faster sensor readout speed. The X-H2S calculates the focus more times per second than the X-H2 (and probably the X-T5).
@@fvsch I have the X T5 and x100vi. Af definitely not as good as X H2s for sure. But both are great af when not using caf tracking. For portraits and street photography they’re fine. I’ve just accepted the fact that I’m not using these cameras when good caf is a necessity. I’ve had the Sony A7iv and R6. Great cameras but I feel like I’m using a hammer vs the precision forged instrument feel of the Fuji’s.
It seems gets into balancing internal camera resources which they can only fix. I almost think it’s something like the resources/footprint of running that great looking back display is leeching resources from the AF. Probably something where Fujifilm would have to decide to take a different PR hit drop the resolution the back display or elsewhere to allocate adequate resources/memory to the AF. It just seems like the cameras that are good at AF have less than stellar back displays, but it’s just a guess on my part.
You waited this long to say that. It's been like this since the XT-1 and many of their camera. Although, if you installed the latest firmware, it will not work as well as it did before. The firmware before this new one, the XT-5 was not doing that bad.
I switched to a Panasonic g9 from an XT5 and their old DFD autofocus that everyone complains about is SOOOOO much better than Fuji phase detect AF. Nobody loves a little contrast wobble but at least it’s reliable and accurate.
My biggest gripe with fujifilm, is the IBIS, AF, and the exposure shift when you zoom. If they could fix that, it would have been ALMOST the perfect camera🤗
I’M BACK BABY! Get ready for the Fuji trolls man! But we both knows it’s not the camera, it’s not Fujifilm. It is the fault of the PLA! Yes the CCP, The Chinese Communist Party is at fault here! Trust me MAN IVE SEEN THINGS MAN! 😂🤣😂🤣. Fuji AF has always sucked! You are the only one that has objectively done the homework!
I've seen this game before... Fuji's next big move is "we've heard your complaints and we are here to help!"..... Feast your eyes on the all new and now more affordable.... GFXt1 with the most perfect GF series autofocus in the land for only $2499 (body only) $2999 (kit with our all new FXG18-55 super af kit lens) as a bonus you get the all new Auto Focus Effects Simulations!!! Y'all knew we wouldnt let you down!
My feeling with autofocus does not change after your video. I bought the x-t5 knowing that the af is not at same level of other main brands, because it is more important for me the ergonomics, size, and lower cost of lenses w.r.t. the af in sport photography. But yes, an improvement would be very appreciated, given that according to the results of your tests (ear often in focus) the prediction of focus point seems to be the real problem.
To be honest, it's the false positives/false confirmations that infuriate me. I can live with slow AF as long as green AF indicator/box really means = focus nailed.
Yeah this is why i switched to Panasonic for professional work and kept X-T3 for my daily home use and manual focus photography. I will miss my xt4 colour science and recipies though 😢 Fujifilm get your shi# together please
I shifted from a first gen Nikon Z6 to a sony a7iv and only then did I realize what a huge difference there was in terms of autofocus. It has completely changed the way I shoot. My attention is never towards whether the camera got the shot in focus but rather on the composition, light etc. I feel when Fuji is charging full frame prices for its cropped sensor bodies and still lacking in terms of autofocus and speed then there is a serious problem to be addressed.
When X-H2S owners have had to hack their firmware to go back from 7.0 to 1.03, you know there's a problem. The fact that Panasonic, who just woke up and tarted using phase detect in their most recent models, but can do it better it's obvious, Fujifilm is milking this cash cow and not investing in decent software engineers. Just go back to the old firmware if you can't manage any improvement, my X-T2 does better than your new X-T5.
I don't have an xt5, but firmware update ver. 6.00 for X-H2S has made the autofocus less accurate (most noticeably in video mode). AI subject detection is almost useless now. What a let-down, considering it was trumpeted as a 'major' update.
I remember when i got the xt3 and a7iii at the same time the XT3 eye AF wasnt good. Here we are yrs later and every manufacturer has advanced except for Fuji. My XS20 is much better than the xt3 that i sold but its still not a major contender in the AF department.
@@Aaditya1ad I primarily do photo. Its definitely much better than my XH1 and my XT3. I still use my XH1 on manual mode for video at my office. My XS20 is my family, vacation and walk around camera. Mainly shooting people and the environment. It's reliable enough for my uses and it's a fun camera. Personally I don't know if I would use it for any paid shoots just because I wouldn't want to lose any photos.
The Fujifilm "in focus" green box just lies. I spent most of a year trying to make Fuji work for wildlife photography. Despite having excellent Animal Subject Detection and Animal Eye detection (i.e. the system can display that it's tracking the right subject and the right part of the subject), in focus hit rates were so abysmal. I ended up selling my whole setup (X-H2S, X-T5, 150-600, and all the new model lenses) to move to Canon. I would move back to Fujifilm in a heartbeat if I thought the platform were workable. I just couldn't take waiting for literal hours to get a clean shot of bird and then have the focus system tell me I had an "in focus" shot, only to get back to LR and find that it isn't true :(
June 27 2024. New firmware update for Fujifilm... My X-T5 seems to behave better. Some more testing is needed, specially with the 90mm F2 where I had a lot of green autofocus confirmation, totally not in focus, both single and continuous modes.
Very interesting video, thanks for all the tests and sharing. I’ve been a Fuji user since X-T2, and currently use X-T5 as my go to photography gear. Mostly like to do street and environmental portraits for hobby, but also use it for taking shots of my toddlers. I really love the tactile aspect of Fuji cameras, it feels much more engaging than when I was using other brands back in the days. I personally haven’t had much issue with hit rates (even with my kids running around), but I’m also not doing that long of a continuous auto focus shots. I just go for the eye detect with short bursts if they are stationary, or AFC with lower Aperture (say F2.8 vs. 1.4) with face detect if they are running around. But yes, I don’t rely on it if AF accuracy and dependability is a priority, which is what I desire when shooting video. For that, I’ve been using the Sony ZV-E1, and it’s been a great addition. I also use Leica M6 and MP for shooting film when I really want to slow things down and also long for that genuine film look. I think at the end of the day, it’s a function of what your use case is, and finding the most suitable gear for it.
First of all, I get a hit rate for you of 51.1% - still crappy. Second of all, the consistent results tell me that the AF-C mode is irrelevant when subject detection is doing its thing. I think the way Fuji explains it in the manual is that, when and if the subject cannot be identified, it defaults back to whatever the AF-C setting was (single-point, multi, wide-area, and whatever mode). It one sense, you prove that it works - it kept seeing your wife and trying to track her. In another sense, you proved why we shouldn't rely on it - it only nails it 50% of the time. Other websites like RTings show that XT5/XH2S for example are actually pretty close to cameras like the new Nikon Zf or Canon R6ii. Whether or not you agree with their methodology, it is at least a repeatable test. They do not test, however, subject detection modes, from what I can tell - just AF-C tracking or center point. Wide tracking is basically subject detection, however, and I wish Fuji gave us more control over it - the ability to set the focus box size or shape for example. Anyway I am not defending Fuji - as the prices go up, the performance needs to match the price. But sorry - you are out to lunch if you think the bodies or lenses don't matter. Of course they do. My 16-55 face detection sucks - it is accurate, but it does not turn on much. The 23 LM WR finds faces and tracks them way better. Just still worse than Sony, apparently, lol.
if another brand starts making non-pasm cameras a better modeless flexible system like Fuji I will switch. Ever since destroying the X-H1 form factor witht he X-H2S, they been only giving dial users leftover scraps form their PASM cameras that are inferior to other brands anyways. I'm thinking of possibly switching to the sony FX3 because if has a similar "Flexible exposure mode" which lets you do things smartly and directly instead of the subpar pasm workflow. Another company should be innovating in the workflow space right now to steal Fuji's customers. Because even though Fuji's direct auto/manual dial adjustments are superior, they don't make then fast and ergonomic like they could be. If they wanted more markwet share, just competing with autofocus alone would have kept them strong financially.
You got to tweak your shooting style your not doing it right!! Stationary subjects only hahaha for real though i feel your pain I just recently bought the xh2 in hopes that Fuji may have finally got there focusing system up to par but it definitely lacks compared to the competition sadly. The worst part is I absolutely love the functionality of the camera body itself I think it’s the best ive ever used and I will list all the cameras I’ve owned in the end of this rant. I also bought an r5 just a month after this camera to compare and the r5 definitely outperforms, but I still like the functionality of the Fuji camera body itself not to mention the lens selection/variety that kills the RF system. So C’mon Fuji your right there make it happen firmware is all you need 🙏 Nikon D3,D5,D5600 Sony a7ii,a7iii,a6600 Canon 1Dx, R5 Fuji Xh2
Ugh, I heard the XH2s has a severe issue as well, they're on version 6.00!?! I believe? how the hell is that possible. Fuji and Panasonic seem to be the king of false "correct" hit-displayed rates rather than Sony being nailed on the eye when it says it had the eye.
Yup really big issue. Watch cine dailies video, hes using an xh2s and it keeps getting out of focus even at high contrast scenarios(he even hate it on a few sec)
I got substantially more false positive green boxes on my XH2s and XT5 then on my S5ii, which honestly has pretty close to flawless AF performance on the latest firmware with Lumix lenses.
in general people that say "ohhh, you need fuji lenses for great AF and you need the latest fuji camera, etc usualy fall into one of the 2 categories. 1. Those who are hard core fuji fans and of course naturally they will ignore and bypass this issue and 2nd those who really didn`t try any other camera system so they don` t know the AF benchmark for most companies. there is also those who don`t need much AF so they will be forgiving. At the end of the day, I bet if all fuji shooters will try canon or sony and see what AF should be like, many will probably leave Fuji. Its really a shame. I had Sony and Fuji and the a7 iii and its better in AF then the latest fuji camera . 6 years difference....becomes a joke, despite their beautiful colors
At times the focus was like 5-10 cm behind. Can't firmware calculate the speed of subject and compensate for the delay it needs to capture frame? How do you even match the lens linear motor jerky steps with predicted delay distance of subject? Maybe it could measure the subject height in pixels and how it increases as she walks closer.
same problems (X-T5 : newest lenses) ...I will sell all my Fujis- because of autofocus... after using 8 cameras for daily work as a pro. Always waiting for better focus....!
Fuji has general problems with software updates. Mine 70-300 have been updated a few weeks ago. Bfor this update, the lens has focusing problem when zooming in and out. After updating more or less they fix that issue, but now iq is worse. Idk what they've done in those updates, but it sOcks...
I love Fuji cameras for all sorts of reasons but AF(C) has always been their archilles heel. I have refused to buy into the hype about improvements in this respect since the X-T3 (I still use the X-T1 and X-T2) and have been waiting - and waiting - and waiting - for Fuji to get its shit together in the AF-C department! The problem has persisted for so long now that I honestly feel that it must be related to an attitudinal or competence issue with the person responsible for this aspect of their camera development. There is zero room for any other explanation given that all other brands have reached superior performance levels here. Unless....it is possibly something as fundamental as being related in some way to the sensor design itself? Weird to even contemplate that I know, but remember, no other popular brand utilises a non-Bayer sensor. Just saying..... For me, I have lost confidence in Fuji's ability to rectify this situation without doing something radical and so, several years ago, I went down the Sony route for anything more demanding (my passion is shooting aircraft and I practice by shooting BIF :) )
I just came here to say that the Autofocus on the XT-5 sucks. That's all. I got the camera for family pics and everyone is blurry. I look like I don't know what I'm doing. False positives are unacceptable.
yeah ehh.. this year I switched from Sony to Fujifilm x-t5 with 23 and 33 1.4 WR and I feel your pain. At this point I will keep Fuji bcs I like Fuji pictures (when they are sharp) but not sure how long I will stand this AF 😂😅
Don't get me wrong, I can still get by and manage, but we are paying alot of money for this. I just want it to perform better. But when the picture hits it hits!
YEah its not user error; I have the same results with my XT5 and the best Fuji lenses... My next camera is not going to be Fuji, because of this. I make a lot of portraits and im tired of getting the green box, only for arriving home and getting half of the pics with wrong or soft focus. These cameras are not cheap, thats why i cant recommend the brand to anyone.
I don’t own the X-T5 but wouldn’t it be easier for the camera to keep focus if the model in the video wasn’t hiding her eyes constently ? + she is far away. This doesn’t look like real life shooting to me. But anyway, in order to properly judge the X-T5 focus system, you should have done the exact same test in the exact same conditions with multiples other cameras. 👍
There is also a bug with all manual Voigtlander lenses. The EXIF data is wrong when you set it at the largest aperture. For example, it registers f22 instead of f1.2 ...
This really sucks. I was looking at an x-h2 or an x-t5. I need something to do video and product photography. I feel that these 2 cameras have the perfect specifications for my needs.
I've got a crazy setting for focusing on people on my X-H2 that works for me. 1. I always leave Subject Detection OFF, as if it didn't exist! 2. Focus mode: AF-C 3. Sutter AF > AF-C: OFF -> This disables focus when the shutter button is pressed halfway. 4. AF Mode: Spot, the biggest If the subject doesn't move much, or moves parallel to the camera, I use BBF (Back Button Focus) by pressing once with my thumb, releasing, recompose and shoot. It's like shooting AF-S in AF-C mode. But here is the trick. If the subject suddenly moves closer or further away from the camera, I aim the focus point at the person's face and keep the 'AF ON' button pressed for continuous AF while taking a shots. If the subject is moving very quickly, I do the same as above but change the AF mode to Zone (the big square). If a person is zigzagging towards the camera, which doesn't happen very often, I move the camera to keep the person in the centre of the frame! Often I can anticipate where in the frame I want to place the person, so I move the focus point to that area using the D-pad. With this setup, if a photo is out of focus, it's my fault, not the camera's.
Thank you for this tip! I've tried it with my XT-5 and it works a lot more reliably and accurately than Fuji's so-called AI-assisted AF. Not everyone wants to switch camera systems or can afford to do so. At least this approach offers a way to get sharp images from what is otherwise high-quality equipment.
I use Fujifilm day in day out, Auto focus and AF tracking are a joke 🤣 You focus on the face and the camera thinks, "wait the background and corners are more interesting, the idiot doesn't know what to do with me"... I have tried every variation but it is just so non trustworthy. But the one that gets the attention of auto focus is pure gold.
as an avid fujifilm user, you are right. there is absolutely no reason for premier camera bodies from fujiflm should have worse autofocus than old sony hybrid cameras. it just doesnt make sense.... even if for my use, i dont need that fast autofocus, in a pinch when taking pictures of friends or family, there are really times id be like "damn how could i miss that shot!"
Thank you (and Hilary) for your efforts, they are much appreciated by the community. These tests are some of the first tests I do (with my kids) when I try new cameras or lenses. I can confirm that with previous f/w iterations and favourable glass, an average hit rate of around 70-75% for z axis targets on the XH2S. Your findings here cement further evidence that the most recent f/w release from Fujifilm has SIGNIFICANTLY broken the AF reliability under a plethora of situations (regardless of lens used). XH2S at 6.00, XH2 at 4.0 and XT5 at 3.01 are all suffering consistent reported AF failings. It's one thing for Fuji to balls up momentarily, it's quite another to stay quiet on the matter, allow more users to 'upgrade' their cameras and further nuke their tech. FUJIFILM, PULL DOWN THIS F/W, PATCH IMMEDIATELY. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.
