We Just Bought The MOST SIGNIFICANT New Off-Roader In The Last 30 Years!

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( www.alltfl.com/ ) Check out our new spot to find ALL our content, from news to videos and our podcasts! Welcome back to TFL Car Chat! In this episode, Tommy and Roman talk about what it is like to own, drive, and off-road the all new Ineos Grenadier! Later, Tommy chats with Alex from Auto Buyers Guide about his experience owning the Grenadier!
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@nolanstrawn831 7 месяцев назад

Nobody is going to talk about the fact that they were playing S.L.U.T on apple car play?!?!?! Who do you think it was Tommy? or DAD? Comment below ;) @22:36 On a serious note though, I found you guys about a year ago and just now am subscribing to you but there you go another follower. This channel is so real and honest I trust you guys 100% on info and I recommend your channel to everybody looking for trucks or SUV's. Keep up the great work looking forward to the future with you guys.

@TFLtalk 7 месяцев назад

Thanks for the kind comment. Very much appreciated!

@cablebrain9691 7 месяцев назад

I noticed that too…..haha!

@KevinBrown-r7d 7 месяцев назад

maybe both.

@BabyJesus66 7 месяцев назад

I noticed, came to comment lol

@toneyo4794 7 месяцев назад

I saw that and thought it was a feature in the software.

@nothingtoseaheardammit 7 месяцев назад

I wanted this to succeed so badly but ... the GX 550 just made this thing superfluous. If the Ineos was closer to $50k than $80k it might be an option.

@randallsmith7885 7 месяцев назад

Totally agree. Just saw my first one on the road today. Very cool looking, but compared to the GX, with a Toyota six cylinder for $20-30k cheaper, I can deal with the GX. And then we also have to see what the new Land Cruiser can do.

@marcochavanne 7 месяцев назад

Their target market is really the people who would be buying a Defender moreso than someone considering a baby Land Cruiser or the GX550. Side note, its a bummer for larger adventurous families because neither the Grenadier or OverTrail GX trims offer a 3rd row. Which leaves the TRD Pro Sequoia which shares the same chassis as the 300 series Land Cruiser if you need more than 5 seats and some off-road capability. That presents its own issues though. The Sequoia is around 8" longer than the LX600 and 4" longer than the GX550 with poopier approach, break-over, and departure angles.

@bbqofdoom3958 7 месяцев назад

They are two different vehicles for two different people. I don't think there's going to be much cross shopping beyond the general "person who has $80k and wants 4WD" demographic. As far as success, unless you can find an order rejection at a dealer you're not going to find one for another 6-12 months. I'm concerned long term, as anyone should be, but there are plenty of people who are interested in this type of thing that aren't exactly in the GX demo.

@PeakDecline 7 месяцев назад

@@marcochavanne The GX is far more off-road focused than the current Defender. Land Rover changed that model into something no serious off-roader would ever buy. The GX, Sequoia and possibly the Lexus LX are the closest competition to the Grenadier in price and purpose in the US market. Globally this competes mainly against the Land Cruiser 70 Series and Land Cruiser 300, of course.

@bbqofdoom3958 7 месяцев назад

@@PeakDeclinecurrent Defender is no slouch off road. Whether you need multiple engines or various expensive fixes due to all the computers and tech, well therein lies the rub.

@efs83dws 7 месяцев назад

Roman, everyone should acknowledge that you taught your son to think, for himself. Good job, where it counts the most.

@KREllis-vr1ix 6 месяцев назад

LoL. Ok. Nepotism hire. Negative statement I know and maybe unfair. But I don't think the kid's takes are valuable and he wouldn't have any audience without the dad.

@Valenciarony 7 месяцев назад

"Built for purpose" but charging luxury pricing? This feels like a brand taking advantage of the hype.

@privateer9181 7 месяцев назад

Luxury pricing has moved to 100K. You got wagoneers….not grand ..at this price

@Fedgery007 7 месяцев назад

🤦🏻‍♂️

@FRWD_FXLRST 7 месяцев назад

It’s a small company.

@Shakshuka69 7 месяцев назад

Built to G-wagon quality at less than half the price*

@jerroldshelton9367 7 месяцев назад

When the heavily-optioned 1973 Bronco I once owned was new, one COULD have bought a 454 powered Corvette for the same money. Not. Exactly. Cheap. So paying a premium price for something like this Grenadier strikes me as nothing new.

@cablebrain9691 7 месяцев назад

Is there anyone who actually likes the piano-black that manufacturers insist on imposing upon us all? I know of no friends or reviewers who like it. I’d love to hear a response from any manufacturer on that subject. Would you please ask them?

@MarkG-up6wh 7 месяцев назад

You guys need to play the Green Acres theme song when you drive it!!!!!!

@fuzzy3440 7 месяцев назад

I love this vehicle, even if I probably won't buy one. My speculation is that the cost of replacement parts will be exhorbitant. Italian axles, bmw engine, European cars are not cheap to maintain.

@beaglelife 7 месяцев назад

Agree with your concerns on cost of replacement parts and repairs, and even finding someone who would work on it. For less $$ you can buy a top of the line Summit Reserve Grand Cherokee or if you want something more offroad get a top of the line Rubicon Wrangler. Cheaper and easier to repair/maintain.

@PeakDecline 7 месяцев назад

BMW stuff is a bit pricey but it is easy to get in the US. I'm more concerned about what all in the suspension and other driveline parts are much less common. I'm sure it'll all be expensive but these days even fixing things on your normal Jeep or Toyota can be expensive. I would just want to know I can get parts in a timely manner.

@bbqofdoom3958 7 месяцев назад

That engine (and variants thereof) is in a ton of vehicles, including Toyota's own Supra.

@2nickles647 6 месяцев назад

Tell the GM owners that own the baby Cummins.. made overseas 😅😅

@JTSLJR 7 месяцев назад

Designed in England, built in France, German engine. What could possibly go wrong? Lack of parts and dealers are a huge issue. Nice unbiased review! Thanks.

@bbqofdoom3958 7 месяцев назад

Dealer network is a big worry. I'm glad mine is within an hour away but they need to be fairly prevalent for this to be a lasting thing.

@shawnacevedo8842 7 месяцев назад

and gauge and infotainment system from China

@the_lost_navigator7266 7 месяцев назад

Axles from Italy.

@2nickles647 6 месяцев назад

Ford Bronco built in USA. Engines failing by the dozen. Plastic oil pans on engine and transmission. It's a Pozer off road vehicle. But a mall crawler. People bought them , To look and feel special 😅😅😅

@dus10r 6 месяцев назад

Grenadier designed by Magna Steyr, built in a very high tech Ex-Mercedes factory in Hambach. Some thought went into these. They weren’t designed to be luxurious. They were designed to be usable and somewhat basic. The more tech added the more things that can wrong.

@SamSamSands 7 месяцев назад

Love the father & son teamwork & friendly attitude 👍🏻 it is rare to see this nowadays

@pault7977 7 месяцев назад

I was all into this as it was being developed. It's got compromises but for 90% of where this will ever go, I'd prefer to save 20-30K and will get a GX/Land Cruiser or 4runner.

@jmax850 7 месяцев назад

There’s NO reason it should be $1 more than the more luxurious Lexus GX. 50% more expensive??? Outrageous

@pault7977 7 месяцев назад

@@jmax850 Couldn't agree more. It may have solid axels and 3 lockers (if equipped) but it's lacking everywhere else. The on-road manners won't be as good as the GX, so getting to the off-road section won't be as fun or relaxing. Lastly, Ineos is promising buyers that they'll be there in 5 - 10 -20 yrs. That's a big ask. One that would be a little easier to swallow if it was much cheaper... which would help ensure their longevity if they had volume sales.

@voxel999 7 месяцев назад

The GX and Sequoia are not serious off roaders. They are like modern Range/Land Rovers. I had a new Sequoia TRD Pro and that thing belongs on light trails and Target parking lots with the pathetic angles and silly front air dam that would get destroyed immediately on a trail. I agree that the 4Runner would probably be a better value with similar capabilities.

@Cocora22 7 месяцев назад

@@voxel999 Wow you honestly don't think the GX is NOT a serious off roader? Are you talking about the GX 460 or the new GX 550 premium and luxury trims ( which I honestly don't think are truly offroaders )

@rhino202 4 месяца назад

Going up against big manufacturer prices as a start up is hard. It's a big ask, but any sort of customized vehicle would be more than double the price. Look at custom vintage broncos, etc. They need to work out some kinks and fix a few obvious design aspects, but it would be nice to have the only one around

@wwz1011 7 месяцев назад

A Land Rover without the crappy Land Rover parts? Perfect! But I think the 2024 Land Cruiser will be an even bigger deal, particularly in the under $60K price point.

@bbqofdoom3958 7 месяцев назад

You've got a better shot at hitting the lottery on Mars than finding the new LC for under $60K. Toyota dealers are already charging high ADM for it.

@JeremyEdwards996 7 месяцев назад

I have an early build Grenadier in the UK and I have now done over 16,000 miles. Mine is a basic diesel station wagon in Britannia Blue with a white roof with a few options; unlike you I have the extended electrics, the safari roof, tow gear and the first aid kit in the door. I don't have the lockers or the electric safety gear. It is not a mass market car, so was almost guaranteed to be expensive, as they don't have the economies of scale of Toyota, Mercedes, Jeep or Ford. I love it; it replaced an old Defender and is much improved and works well for me. I don't do luxury, but my family prefer it. It had some teething issues when released but these have been fixed by the dealer. My dealer has mainly agricultural franchises and a Korean vehicle franchise.

@GallatinMan 7 месяцев назад

They meed to send the diesel to the North American market. As for cost they did run much higher than their initial “unofficial” 45k Sterling target.

@scottgabbard662 7 месяцев назад

⁠@@GallatinMan Diesel would be nice but certification vs volume negates it and necessary ghg add-ons would choke it.

@Dwealdric 7 месяцев назад

Your cost compared to other vehicles in the UK is reasonable though. In the USA, and ESPECIALLY in Canada, it does not. Over $100k in Canada for the Trialmaster. It's a joke.

@jmpersonal2402 7 месяцев назад

I also have a Grenadier, having owned all sorts of VWs, Fords, and Toyotas, including a 200-series Landcruiser V8. My Grenadier is honestly "the best" car I have ever purchased. Ok, it is a bit quirky, I expected that as a new vehicle... Fantastic engine; it was too big to fit in a carpark initially, but I love it!! Steering, you learn, and then you forget to learn after a mile. Top-class, honest comments.

@williamardenjr116 7 месяцев назад

Starts at 71k in the us

@campingeast 7 месяцев назад

The steering thing is such a solid axle thing. I changed from a 2wd F150 with independent suspension to a 4x4 F250 with a front solid axle, and my goodness, what a thing to get used to.

@drivingsports 7 месяцев назад

I think we're the only channel that did NOT buy a Grenadier in 2024.

@TokyoOlympics2020 7 месяцев назад

Where is the field repair guide as promised?

@bmwloco 7 месяцев назад

Tommy can bash on the inline 6 all he wants in the short. It's the best engine BMW made.

@stonepa 7 месяцев назад

Sadly not saying much. All of the plastic bits break over time. Cheapness that strongly impacts long term ownership. And yes, my wife has owned quite a few so we have experience.

@greeked 6 месяцев назад

@@stonepab58 is one of the greatest engine mankind has ever made and probably the greatest inline 6 engine ever with stacks of awards maintain it and it will do 250k 300k miles like Childs play go put a a couple bolt on mods and a turbo and you making 700whp with ease. Don’t add your opinion if you know absolutely nothing

@stonepa 6 месяцев назад

@@greeked My wife has owned a lot of BMWs over the last 30+ years, all bought new, but I know nothing about them. Ok.

@greeked 6 месяцев назад

@@stonepa you know absolutely nothing about a b58 with that statement. An m50 n55 n54 n20 n16 n63 list all your bmw engines you own have nothing to do with a b58, your statement it so vague and generalized. Don’t comment if you have zero experience with the topic at hand

@stonepa 6 месяцев назад

@@greeked ok. Right now in my garage sits an M440 convertible and an X3 M40ix. Both with the B58. Again, core engine is great but all the plastic parts they bolt on have once again been trouble. When you cant really trust that some $100 part like a plastic coolant control valve not to fail, and they always fail and have on both of my wife’s cars, then you can’t trust. The engine. None of my Land Cruisers have ever had a potentially catastrophic problem even at extremely high miles. May be a good choice for the Grenadier. Not sure. Maybe they re-engineered all the plastic parts like Toyota did. Guess we will see.

@Kenneth_R 7 месяцев назад

This just proves how manufacturers are really sandbagging. This guy in just a few years made this vehicle happen and its a quality product. Bravo!

@zelenizub2036 7 месяцев назад

I was ready to spend $59,999, for model with triple lockers. Sadly not going to happen.

@JoeGomez 7 месяцев назад

Tommy may be too young to remember this but having a physical key did not help prevent vehicle theft in the days before smart keys.

@miniaddict4534 6 месяцев назад

He did mention how thieves can steal Teslas with NFC technology. Maybe he was alluding how cars have been so advanced, car thieves had to learn new technology and are no longer used to the primitive key inside of an ignition.

@dirtandhappiness2023 7 месяцев назад

I hope you add the Eibach lift springs and some larger tires! I think it MAKES this vehicle! It's a relatively inexpensive upgrade and it would really unlock the capabilities of this vehicle!

@DrinkWhiskeyRaiseHell 7 месяцев назад

At 80K you shouldn't have to

@2nickles647 6 месяцев назад

It's not going to lift the vehicle. Why buy all that crap. It's a solid axle and will not lift

@texandy89 7 месяцев назад

The things I don't like are no speedometer in front of the driver the gear shifter and the price is ridiculous

@abelreyna8781 6 месяцев назад

Yeah. I'm so over all automakers copying Tesla's ugly center screen, with no instrument cluster shtick.

@texandy89 6 месяцев назад

@@abelreyna8781 same here like make something that does not copy other brands make it your own. And the price for the vehicle is stupid ridiculous also

@abelreyna8781 6 месяцев назад

@@texandy89 Especially when the electronics and screens are probably made by basically slaves in a Chinese sweat shop.

@texandy89 6 месяцев назад

@@abelreyna8781 exactly like how the minerals for Ev batteries are mined by slave labor as well and we are supposed to be ok with that the US is not energy efficient since we are not mining as much anymore or drilling now we are relying on dirty country's for our energy which is a shame

@jimm659 7 месяцев назад

The GX 550 over trail + is a much better vehicle for same price.

@Bornintheseat 7 месяцев назад

Price is fair for a quality special use vehicle. Look at the cost of heavy duty mass produced pickups from huge manufacturers. People want the whole world these days and think it should be free. Cheap foreign production of general goods has hidden inflation for most people leaving them to complain about the cost of food, housing and products build in non slavery nations where inflation cant be hidden.

@Austinandjules 7 месяцев назад

I've seen pics of the front axle. And it has a semi.closed knuckle design. But it doesn't have a sealing surface, which would indicate u joints up front. Any way you could figure out what size they are. Dana 30s and 44s use 1310 upfront and 60s use 1350

@jake1021 6 месяцев назад

Dana King pin 60s can use 1410 I thought that was stock. But I'm in the aftermarket world of rock crawling. Super duty 60s can use 1410s stock or fit 1550 if they're 05+ which are massive.

@NukePooch1 7 месяцев назад

Misses: Central instrument panel, gearshift, price, speed warning. Everything else is awesome and I'd love to have it. Love the looks and manual controls/switches.

@Crazy_MO 7 месяцев назад

The bmw shifter made me spit my coffee out 😂 caught me off guard lol

@atmartens 7 месяцев назад

Very odd, doesn’t fit the design.

@interdec 7 месяцев назад

But it’s amazing…it works perfectly. It doesn’t have to be jiggled about from side to side…if you were a bmw driver, you’d know. Of course what it should have is a clutch and a manual shifter and a six speed gearbox….but we live in a world of lazy drivers. How is an automatic transmission vehicle going to know you want to hold third gear to the bottom of the hill then swing left and power up the next one…only the driver has eyes and a brain to establish that plan of action.

@BeowulfHagen 7 месяцев назад

@@interdecYes, it needed a manual option. I'd already own it if there was manual variant.

@andyorr1597 7 месяцев назад

I had the same shifter on my 535. It was great as my arm ran parallel to the shifter. It’s odd on the Gren that I own. I’m getting used to it but it is my only Mo or complaint on the entire vehicle. I love mine.

@architypeone8646 7 месяцев назад

The center pod is so it is easier to have left hand and right hand drive models using the same dashboard. It was intended to be an international model sold world wide.

@husshardan3511 7 месяцев назад

And yet you have Jeep Wranglers, Land Cruisers, G Wagons etc sold worlldwide too if left and right hand drive models.

@ChR0nos_7734 7 месяцев назад

@@husshardan3511and how old are Jeep, Toyota and Mercedes companies. Over 100 years old. Ineos is new company

@husshardan3511 6 месяцев назад

@@ChR0nos_7734 you’d think because they are new starting with a clean slate they would look around and see how everyone else has building cars for over 100 years, and take the best of that. No? ok.

@plus790 7 месяцев назад

I'm calling BS on "The MOST SIGNIFICANT New Off-Roader In The Last 30 Years". These are cool machines but the 2010 Ford Raptor *INVENTED* an entirely new class--the Baja Truck. It won races out of the showroom, it's absurdly capable, comfortable, luxurious (for what it is), and even affordable--admittedly less so now. It inspired and popularized copy-cat trends like block letter grills, front amber running lights, factory auxiliary switches, 35" tires, real and simulated beadlocks, and the TRX.

@MyViewToronto 7 месяцев назад

The new Lexus GX upstaged every new SUV this year.

@markderoller7645 7 месяцев назад

Get a 5th gen 4Runner while you still can...

@brettbridges424 7 месяцев назад

Where is the video of the buying experience you guys talked about at the end of this video. I can't find it. Oh yeah cool video all the way through. I love it when a owner is reviewing their own vehicle, so much more genuine! Congratulations and looking forward to more content.

@bobbyheskett 7 месяцев назад

TFL obviously has some link issues with the purchasing video for the Ineos.

@steveberry4527 7 месяцев назад

Thanks for the long review guys! I found some of it annoying, but I understand where you’re coming from. Tommy: you’re the main reason I ordered one to begin with from that video you did 3 years ago or so! I’ll be selling my capable 2017 4Runner. My Scottish White Trialmaster will be here soon. I pretty much checked every accessory box. Factory mounted winch was a no-brainer for me. Have to say I am shocked by the options you guys didn’t select. No ladder? No tow package? No accessory rails? But you’re also not planning to keep it for long so maybe that’s why? I look forward to the other videos and see you put her through her paces. I think it’s an incredible vehicle. Not perfect for sure but there’s really nothing like it unless you have $200k for Gelandewagen.

@mcmillan1963 7 месяцев назад

As the 40 Year Old Guy would say, "Ain't no Way!" I can see this failing in the US faster than Fiat. There are so many great aftermarket builders out there that could build you a fantastic more than capable wheeler. Can't wait to see how the story ends on this one.

@dirtandhappiness2023 7 месяцев назад

Guys, a lot of people are removing the steering stabilizer to fix the steering-centering issue. It only takes a few minutes to do and it would be interesting to get your impressions of that change.

@davidtranmedia5112 7 месяцев назад

Does not seem like $80k worth of cars. Just my opinion lol. But cool becausebits hetter option then all these electric cars. So im glad they are making this. I rarher buy a G wagaon or a 4 runner TRD Pro i bet that can do what this does and for cheaper

@is6566 7 месяцев назад

I would stay away from an $80 TRD Pro 4Runner. Toyota or not an $80 vehicle might have hidden problems.

@davidtranmedia5112 7 месяцев назад

@@is6566 I meant $80k sorry

@is6566 7 месяцев назад

No worries. It was too good to pass up. 😃

@andyweber8606 7 месяцев назад

I like that they didn’t target this at the Malibu Barbi crowd.This is where Land Rover went wrong in my mind. Built to be simple, rugged, easy to fix with global parts availability. The shifter is a huge mis! I’ve used similar systems and it felt so backwards to push a shifter forward to travel backwards. That’s something I would get used to but the point is it’s irritating when your getting in it the first time.

@PaulFernando-u2j 7 месяцев назад

I appreciate all the research you do to present this video. I’m sure it takes a lot of work. The Keyfob looks like my VW Jetta Keyfob. :). The controls on the ceiling are great. Thank you!

@brendanfennell3552 7 месяцев назад

I think that few 4x4 enthusiasts do not realize that the English Designer of the Grenadier Toby Ecuyer was a Yacht Designer of some 20 years standing before being poached by Jim Radcliff after designing Jim Radcliff's Yacht and that the Grenadier was his first attempt at a Car design and then subsequently he went on to engage Styer Magna in Graz Austria and employed the Germans and Austrian engineers who were currently manufacturing the G-Wagons for Mercedes Benz at their Styer Magna plant to produce the various prototypes of the Grenadier

@husshardan3511 7 месяцев назад

So they got a dood who was used to designing boats design this car? That explains the steeriing.

@oneplus2ins 7 месяцев назад

After watching this whole show and knowing they paid about 80k for this vehicle, Roman shouldn't, and I mean ever!, make any complaints about how old & tech inferior the 50k 4runner ever again.. 😉

@CJ-rk5eg 7 месяцев назад

I am cross shopping the IG and the GX550. I have an order in for the IG, but have not yet taken delivery. I'm seriously considering leaving the IG at the dealer and buying the GX550 Overtrail, about $16K cheaper than the IG. Any thoughts?

@nickgood8166 7 месяцев назад

No brainer, cost of ownership will be horrific on this. Because of depreciation, parts and service costs. Get the 250 or 300 Series Land Cruiser.

@Hooner77 7 месяцев назад

I was able to see one in person at the auto show in Portland last Friday. I was impressed with the fit and finish of the vehicle. As my son pointed out having panels that can be removed easily was a plus. The lack of a speed or tach readout behind the wheel bugs me. It also bugged me on the Mini too. If you opt for the BFGs the tire is 31.7" tall (according to BFG). The salesman showed a picture from one of his customers that already mounted 35s with no lift. It looked really good, and he's had no issues with rubbing.

@andrewhurstcars 7 месяцев назад

The speed limit warning is now a mandatory requirement on European cars.

@gk9453 6 месяцев назад

The GX and Landcruiser makes this vehicle irrelevant. Tiny backseat, garbage steering etc etc, All for a vehicle that 99.9% of owners MAY use 2 days “off-road”. WAY too small of tire to be used for any real trails. Tommy- paying for “ethos” is ridiculous. This is another example of consumers getting LESS PRODUCT for MORE $.

@mjareacts2731 7 месяцев назад

This thing is very cool looking, but a practically base model with some off-road goodies for 80K and up, plus there aren't enough established dealerships here in the US. Well I'll just leave this particular vehicle to those that have the extra disposable income to deal with any potential issues of a brand new vehicle on the market that isn't easily remedied by a local dealership. If my RU-vid channel was big enough I would have probably taken a chance on this vehicle knowing I would make the money back off of viewership, but since I can't afford to take that chance I'll just leave it to TFL.

@CJ-rk5eg 7 месяцев назад

Regarding the winch for the front, I did not order it, but I ordered the front tow hitch, along with the rear tow hitch, that the portable winch can be used either front or both.

@markspence3750 7 месяцев назад

1996 Land Rover Defender 110 meets 2024 Defender. I love the idea. Land Rover really messed up with their new modern styling of the Defender. I will never, ever buy the 2024 Defender. It looks like a Honda Passport.

@zelenizub2036 7 месяцев назад

So much money and no towing package, why? I think everyone wanted to see towing test. That's disappointing.

@fabulousoffroaddesigns5080 7 месяцев назад

Two things: 1. The payload of 1529 lbs is good but it is not the 2200 lbs that was promised. Second, STOP COMMENTING ON RIDE QUALITY of an empty utility! Of course it is rough, it is designed to be loaded down! Add half the payload to the vehicle, then comment on the ride.

@The_Osprey 7 месяцев назад

I'm assuming Tommy has earned his man card at some point but due to his music selection I am going to have to rescind it until he improves. "S.L.U.T." by Bea Miller? Be better, Tommy. While this is a serious infraction there are remedial pathways available. Your man card can be regained but some remediation will be required first.

@fearofchicke 7 месяцев назад

You missed the best part of the court ruling. The court found that land rover never owned the patent because the British government owned the Defender.

@sebastianmessina31 7 месяцев назад

Reminds me of my 2013 FJ Cruiser the vehicle that Toyota should build again, because it is just good.

@theseb1979 7 месяцев назад

The speed limit thing is mandatory for all new vehicles sold in the EU. Resetting it to on is also part of the legislation. I am surprised that they kept it for non EU markets. That is lazy.

@SethDaughters 7 месяцев назад

Powered by BMW? Hard pass. I would consider one in 20 years and swap in a different drive train. But only if i could get one for less than $10k

@jnmaher1967 7 месяцев назад

A Tacoma goes for $55,000 plus. How can the Toyota Land Cruiser go for $55,000?

@is6566 7 месяцев назад

Tacoma starts just under $40,000. The new Land Cruiser starts at mid $50k.

@brianklump 7 месяцев назад

It is a bit BS that Alex didn't even know what it was this summer and magically got his already, while the rest of us who have been on pre-order for years still haven't gotten one. Pays to be in the industry I guess.

@fastfed 7 месяцев назад

The simple fact that doesnt come with 35's is an automatic fail. They should have seen the market and realized what that vehicle needed to compete. 35 would have been competitive, yet they couldn't even get to 33's. what a joke

@blackmustang2006 7 месяцев назад

I like it, but it's too busy and has too many options. It needs to be under 60k to be a winner in the states.

@bbqofdoom3958 7 месяцев назад

Other than rejected orders they're sold out of 2024 models in the US. 6-12 month wait for a 2025.

@VegaVenturing 7 месяцев назад

Was fun listening to Tommy and Alex talk about their rigs! We took delivery of our Grenadier in December and we love it. It has some annoying quirks but none of them are deal breakers, and the Grenadier just feels "special". It gets tons of attention everywhere we go and it's a blast to drive. The engine is so much peppier than the V6 in our 2022 4Runner TRD Off Road. I do think it's too expensive, but honestly every new enthusiast car is too expensive nowadays. We're hoping to make a lot more videos of the Grenadier soon!

@miniaddict4534 6 месяцев назад

Your new truck has a B58 engine which is BMW’s flagship engine used on their high end models including sports cars. It’s also used in the Supra, so I imagine it’s massively faster than your old 4Runner. Congrats on your rig!

@VegaVenturing 6 месяцев назад

For sure. We still own the 4Runner. It's a great rig and will last forever. @@miniaddict4534

@blurglide 7 месяцев назад

I love that it has a solid front axle. It'll really set it apart from the GX550 / Land Cruiser

@fredbrackely 7 месяцев назад

Its got no tow hitch LOL? What?? I was looking forward to a towing challenge up the Ike.

@max_archer 7 месяцев назад

It'll be interesting to see what happens with used prices in a few years. I feel like there are going to be a lot of people who buy these for street use and discover pretty quickly that they're not up for the downsides, and that might result in some pretty insane bargains on them down the line.

@alexanderjack3543 7 месяцев назад

This is a field truck. not a maul crawler Electronics are minimal because they brake. that's why ity has a normal key that also makes it in this modern world a lot easer to steal.

@kdowz934 7 месяцев назад

That bmw shifter feels incredibly cheap. It always surprises me when I get in a bmw.

@MegaRetr 6 месяцев назад

Designed in England, built in France, German engine.

@poppyneese1811 4 месяца назад

I think Bugatti’s are also built in France, might not be a bad thing.

@gradytrainor8120 7 месяцев назад

How does the turbo six make less power than the four cylinder in my Bronco? I kinda like it but not for twice the price of my bronco.

@Anomic-mo9ji 7 месяцев назад

Any small engine can be pushed for output but they don't last under the added pressure. My 8 cyl GX470 has almost laughably low hp---- but should last 500,000 miles like many 2UZFE's do.

@charlesrichardson5215 7 месяцев назад

As ever, an excellent and balanced review from "a man on the street's" point of view. It will be extremely interesting to hear how everyone gets on and to see if the vehicles ever make it here to Brazil.

@enricomercado4671 7 месяцев назад

A BMW engine could be challenge to fix if it dies on you way out in the sticks...... Especially if the fix requires the coding of parts for them to work with the rest of the vehicle.....

@2nickles647 6 месяцев назад

You mean like the baby Cummins 😅😅

@jonathanking625 7 месяцев назад

I agree with Tommy, push button is unnecessary.

@TheDaltonmichaels 6 месяцев назад

"it has no land rover parts on it once so ever" well im sold , sounds like a good rig then.

@ricatiman 7 месяцев назад

The biggest issue with this new Ineos is it has the wrong engine! Across the pond it would come with the diesel i6 that gets twice the fuel economy, and has more power, especially at low RPM. I would never even consider this with the gasoline lump up front. It also requires Premium fuel! What?

@VnazT 7 месяцев назад

I wanted to like the grenadier but there are so many other options now.

@farmersdotter 7 месяцев назад

Grenadier is a British soldier as well as a pub. You decide

@jason_usa 7 месяцев назад

Great video, I've been waiting for this and love the collab with Alex! A TFL rig without a tow package? I was really hoping to see it on the Ike. Love the color, I pre-ordered the same combo and am still waiting for delivery...and I'm waffling daily on canceling and waiting a couple years for refinements and more service/warranty/DIY evolution (I'm 6hr drive). Per the questions at 17:50, Nope, no power seats or lumbar available on any spec or country. And Dual/Aux battery is separate option than aux pre-wiring and additional overhead switches.

@TFLtalk 7 месяцев назад

Thanks for the thoughtful comment!

@peterjmcgowan 7 месяцев назад

The lack of memory seats is because of wading height, the seats need to be able to survive being underwater. Far as I know Wrangler only added this as an option to the Rubicon last year (they also explained it was a wading issue). I wonder if Recaro simply refused to warranty the seat for being underwater, and Ineos decided the cost of developing their own submersible memory seat would have been prohibitive. That would explain the cutouts for controls being on the seat but unused.

@billybobbob3003 7 месяцев назад

@@TFLtalk lol my 2014 honda crv has front and rear recovery points.

@czwhat328 7 месяцев назад

It would have been so much better if it had analogue gauges in front of driver. The switch gear also looks a little low quality for the price.

@doneB830 7 месяцев назад

Steering system is way out of date and was a deal breaker for me.

@Elwyndor 7 месяцев назад

I laughed when ya'all mentioned, 'long term' and 'year' in the same sentence. I didn't know TFL was getting into comedy lol.

@DaveGrimes-i4s 7 месяцев назад

I backed out of mine after a five year wait. The dealer in Connecticut could not have been any worse at contact and responding. It’s a cool SUV for sure. I’m excited for them and hope they figure it out. Less tech and lower the price a little. Mine would’ve been $96k with the winch and lockers. I’ve kept my 2019 G550 and 2022 Defender V8. The Grenadier needs a few years to prove its value

@rl9810 7 месяцев назад

Is there a list anywhere of future Ineos dealers? The closest current dealer to me is around 9 or 10 hours away, but I live in a metro with around 2.6 million people.

@paulhunter9613 6 месяцев назад

That would make it a it difficult for any warranty work to be done

@jcollins1305 7 месяцев назад

I could see this as the “poor man’s” G Wagon.

@CJ-rk5eg 7 месяцев назад

I have an order for the IG at 88k But then I saw the GX Overtrail and specked it at $72k. Giving SERIOUS CONSIDERATION to canceling the IG and picking up the GX550!

@paulgilliland2992 7 месяцев назад

Your dad is so grouchy and it really comes across when he’s moaning about the lack of push button start.

@2nickles647 6 месяцев назад

Us old guys grouchy in the mornings. Always something to bitch about..comes with age.

@Pesmog 7 месяцев назад

This particular color combo is a direct copy of one the the Land Rover classic colors from the older vehicles from the 60's and 70's.

@cliffmorgan31 7 месяцев назад

….and early fj40s…

@jeffreyhanshawsr4884 6 месяцев назад

"NOT ENOUGH BANG, FOR THE BUCK!!"

@jimmyspencer4019 7 месяцев назад

I agree with Tommy. I like the key. Idk I like having that mechanical aspect I guess. I actually put a Lamborghini style flip switch over my start button to try to get some of the aspect back. It helps.

@johnoneal7057 7 месяцев назад

really appreciate the honest commentary on this rig

@Fedgery007 7 месяцев назад

Ugh it’s not a snorkel! Raised air intake!

@peterpontikos3786 7 месяцев назад

for longrange offroad one requires a bigger fuel tank! not sure if that can be arranged by 'the long ranger', 'brown davis', oem or others?! watch what scott brady from overland journal has to undertake crossing africa...

@peopleschamp7258 7 месяцев назад

On the petrol, you can remove the rear muffler silencer and gain another 20 gallons. Prototypes of long range fuel tanks are being made.

@DanielinLaTuna 7 месяцев назад

“You can’t copyright or trademark a box.”

@2nickles647 6 месяцев назад

You mean like FORD😅😅😅😅

@dxd15-u1j 7 месяцев назад

The other day I hopped into the Tank 300 in Australia, that really felt significant because it was amazing and its only 30k.

@JeffCleverley 7 месяцев назад

Ive had my TANK300 for over a year, love it. had it all over Western Sichuan and the Himalayas... Body on Frame, IFS and solid rear axle, 2H/4H/4L Centre, Front and Back Diff Locks as standard, heated and cooled front row seats, 8 way electronic seats with lumbar support and seat massage, 360 degree cameras and sonar, with under car projection and tire placement, Carplay, Android Auto, sat nav, gps, altimeter, compass, gyro, factory winch... was about 220k RMB, just a tad over 30K USD when I bought it... Heading up to the Gobi desert next...

@perpelle 7 месяцев назад

Made in China by a Chinese manufacturer/government. Why sponsor the country that practices genocide, communism/dictatorship and is responsible for the corona virus? Don't come with the excuse that western manufacturers use made in China parts, it's a big difference.

@dxd15-u1j 7 месяцев назад

@@perpelle Were you dropped as a baby? The American government is currently, as in right now, bankrolling a genocide happening in Gaza, but I guess you don't care about it if we are the ones doing the genocide right? I guess you are not buying anything American made.

@TrySomeFentanylToday 7 месяцев назад

I'll stick with my G wagen

@kylewhisman 7 месяцев назад

I would get an old cheap phone and a digital speedometer app. Tape it to the warning panel in front of the steering wheel. No gauge there makes my OCD go wild

@rogerrussell9544 7 месяцев назад

What a relief, I was afraid this was just another EV infomercial.

@BIGDAVE5352 7 месяцев назад

I’m anxious to see what one of these look like crushed.

@c-square7375 7 месяцев назад

I don't mind the clicking noise, because it's not high pitched. It is very useful in Europe, where they have permanent cameras on the side of the roads that take a picture of the license plate every time you exceed the speed limit. The ticket is then mailed to your house. In your commute, you would know where they are, but if you drive itineraries occasionally, you can be caught by surprise.

@jcollins1305 7 месяцев назад

The nanny state is in full effect over there. What a joke.

@2nickles647 6 месяцев назад

It's because of the idiots here in USA speeding thru School Zones or cutting you off. Many of the new vehicle have that feature.

@budagen 7 месяцев назад

Alex has very valuable insight; his opinion counts a lot. I find him most credible auto-journalist.

@andrewbaker7854 7 месяцев назад

If it was £40-50k as originally planned I would buy a diesel one, but here in the UK a basic no frills diesel 2 seater is £70k. Too much. And too heavy at 2.7 tons with not much payload or payload space. My 1997 110 Defender hard top, diesel, weighs 1823kg empty with a payload of 1.5 tonnes with a 3500kg max weight. Plenty of room for 100's of litres of fuel, water, food and beds for overlanding - and totally analogue apart from the radios. 350 mile range per tank. Reliability ? 5 trips to Africa and no issues at all. Ok it's noisy and low geared but who cares ? I have a L322 Range Rover 4.4litre V8 diesel for smart trips to town which also gives 27 mpg around town. 35 miles per gallon on a decent run with a 600-700 mile range on one tank when we go to Europe for a trip.

@smithjones1906 7 месяцев назад

Interesting vehicle. I'm not sure I have any firm opinions about it at this time. Alex's point about the unlikelihood of this being (initially) cross-shopped by Lexus customers is a good one. The second or third owners may cross-shop them, but probably not the first owners. It's alarming to hear about their lack of effort in integrating the premium sound component/s. Sell a premium sound system or don't. Don't say you do, upcharge for it, and fail to deliver.

@atmartens 7 месяцев назад

I agree that there’s some basic things missing… however I can’t stand that there’s no traditional gage cluster. That’s a big miss for me.

@The_Opinion_of_Matt 7 месяцев назад

To Alex and his point about having the unlockable center diff in 4-low. This means you can use low range for backing up trailers in tight situations on pavement. One of the vehicles I learned to drive in was a 1989 F-150 regular cab short bed 4x4 5-speed manual transmission & 300c.i. I-6 engine with manual locking hubs. We left the hubs unlocked unless it was snowing or we were driving up a fire road. But, we used low range all the time for maneuvering trailers and being able to leave the front hubs unlocked made it perfect.

@The_Opinion_of_Matt 7 месяцев назад

Also, I can't believe TFL bought one without a trailer hitch! And skipping on the heated seats in Colorado of all places. But you spent the $300 for the compass??? Edit: I just looked at the Ineos website and they have another new vehicle announced; the Fusilier. Looks smaller and more aerodynamic.

@cyclemoto8744 7 месяцев назад

The level of "luxury" expected in built for purpose 4wd by some consumers amazes me: keyless start/entry, electric seats to name a few. These are all non essential items which add failure points are absolutely not necessary for a comfortable ride nor do they add any competency to the vehicle. Of course, each to their own and obviously if you don't mind spending money repairing such items, go for it. In my opinion the Grenadier does not compete against the defender which is built on electronics and offers a far superior ride due to its fundamentally opposing chassis design. Cheers