Here’s What I Love and Hate Most About The Ineos Grenadier After Driving It 2,000 Miles! 

The price is the biggest problem

I’m glad you all are sort of liking it… I’m just not convinced… I DID have a pre-order in for one. I backed out after seeing one in person. The 2nd row doesn’t fold flat, the battery is under the back seat but there are no key holes to unlock the back doors or interior blips to flick to unlock the back doors, the power steering pump is ran by an electric motor turning a pump when you have a gas engine under the hood that can do it just fine. THAT adds to the complexity. Like Roman said, the grenadier is just as complicated as any BMW but you just don’t get all the features of a BMW, nor access to the BMW warranty network. When I test drove one, that key isn’t like old school ignitions where it directly engages a starter solenoid, that key just tells the computer to start the car. That’s not “simple” or “old school” it’s simulated “old school”. The transmission has no mechanical shift linkage, so if you have an electrical failure off-roading and you can’t get power, how do you put the thing in neutral? My understanding on BMW’s you gotta lay under the car and do something funky. With it being full time 4x4 there isn’t even a mechanical neutral to the transfer case. Then you add in things like electronic level adjustments to the headlights, it’s just too much to go wrong and too many electrical stuffs. Where they put the power steering electric motor they could have moved the pump to the engine and put the battery where the pump is at now. I can go on… this isn’t a “haters gonna hate” this is a I left them a deposit and waited to see the final product but was deeply disappointed. Then you add that any dealer is 80 miles one way from my house and from what I’ve heard, parts are SUPER expensive I’ve heard a key is over $1,000. Why? Haha that’s crazy. The list goes on. Even things like the air con. You pick a temperature, it has automatic climate control, what’s the matter with 4 fan speeds and a lever to actuate between hot and cold and an button that turns on a little relay that engages the air conditioning compressor? Why did they have to go automatic climate control? Now you have little motors under the dash that open and close valves and ducts and stuff. ALL of that adds to the complexity!

The UK spec offers several versions significantly cheaper than this, including the commercial versions that don't have side windows or back seats. They also have the Quartermaster pickup version, which can even be ordered as a cab/chassis without a bed, which will be a very popular foundation for people building overland campers. Ineos made a very deliberate decision to only offer the Grenadier in the US as a very low volume but highly priced vehicle.

Great 3rd vehicle for rich people who don't need to consider 5 years ahead.

The father/son bond is incredible. I hope to have this relationship with both of my baby boys. I love you guys so much. God bless you and your family

I started driving in 1969 and this vehicle has electronics like a spaceship compared to anything I had back then. When I'm speeding I know I'm speeding I don't need a vehicle to tell me not to. If it weren't for the price I'd love to have this vehicle.

I love this truck. ❤❤ Truly an old shcool, utilitarian vehicle.

My Grenadier has no speed warning. Turned off and stays off from delivery. I've owned it 9months and covered 6000miles. It is a diesel and I'm in the UK. Great channel guys.👍

I think the steel wheels are a right choice for this vehicle! It goes with the purposeful part of the vehicle. Love them and happy to see others starting to offer. I would not want aluminum on this.

I’ve heard that the reason for the turning circle is the Kingpin knuckle. Apparently it is much more expensive, stronger, easier to maintain and far more durable. Almost all manufacturers have cut corners and stopped using kingpins. It really shows that the engineers genuinely were designing a truly capable off-roader.

It’s easy to spot the comments from people that actually make car payments vs. those whose mommy just yelled at them to take the trash out.😂

My grandfather had a Toyota FJ40 in a very similar color. That is one vehicle I miss.

I don’t hate the way the screen is monochromatic since I find myself driving at night a lot and it is way less distracting than a more colorful display is to me

Working for a John Deere Dealership, I deal with ZF tand Carraro all the time. These are transmissions and axles used in construction equipment! Pretty cool to see that stuff end up in a passenger car!

I LIKE having a physical key and manually adjusting seats. Having those avoids a couple of unnecessary electronics that just slow the operation down. The one bit I will agree about is the speedometer. I don't know why they didn't put it in front of the driver, like it's supposed to be.

For what these costs I'll take the new Land Cruiser or the Overland GX550. Really no excuse for the lack of content (heated seats, blind spot monitoring, etc.) at this price point.

I’m in love with this vehicle after seeing TFL and other channels’ videos. As someone who has always preferred good steering and road feel, the steering feel described here will likely prevent me from actually buying one. I’ll be watching to see if Ineos revises this in any way.

Keep those videos coming 👍, it surprise me that fact that we in USA are getting those vehicles , there’s many vehicles we don’t get here like Mercedes G class professional , New Suzuki Jimny etc

I don’t have that many miles on mine, yet. I did a base build up with both the Smooth Pack (includes heated leather seats) and Rough Pack (3 locking diffs). I think you guys should have gone for the Smooth Pack and the ladder, and dumped the raised air intake. My dealer said the software that fixes the speed warning is out now, so I need to have that done. I’ll need to do a windshield protection layer (but that’s the same for Rubicon or Bronco, so no points off). Don’t really mind the steering and I’m getting used to the lack of an instrument cluster. Interior storage - that’s my biggest nit, other than the speed warning. But I’m so much happier driving this than a new Defender. I know it’s expensive- but so is everything else. If you got a Land Cruiser First Edition, and did a lift kit for comparable clearance and wheels, you would pay the same, especially for the “dealer convenience fee” to be one of the lucky few. And a Bronco Raptor or Rubicon 392, other than being kind of clownish, would cost WAY more. This is mid-range compared to Defender, which has a price spread from $62-$115. I just want to add one edit - think twice if you are using this as your daily driver in a city with intense traffic (LA, Atlanta, Boston) - visibility is NOT good and no blind spot monitoring. I wouldn’t want to sign up for that.

I think I'll stick to my 2010 2 door JK. Bought it for 17k Canadian (13k US) with 30,000 miles. Installed a 2 1/2" lift, stubby bumpers, winch, 35" tires, and old school KC incandescent Daylighters with the happy faces🙂. All in it was under 17k US about 5 years ago. Love the truck, brings back memories when I take off the top and throw in some CCR, as I used to own a 74 CJ5 with a 304 V8 and side pipes in the 70's. That thing was so cool, wish I never sold it. Cheers from Canada.

I have one for almost 2k miles in it. I absolutely love it! It rides really well and built like a tank. The steering took a little to get used to, but after a few days now I don’t even think about it. I do agree that the overspeed warning is very annoying, but my dealer who is Curry Ineos in Connecticut said that they are going to come up with a fix for that.

“It’s a real off roader, triple locked, no fake hood scoops!” If that wasn’t an obvious dig at Toyota.. and so far, in all the episodes about this Grenadier, it’s the same story “it’s a real truck!” -Much like a lot of the other comments, keep it for more than a year and let it prove that it’s got the quality and legs to really hang with the tried and truly tested Jeep Wranglers, 4Runners, Broncos, and Defenders. $80K+ is a lot to spend on “initial quality” & gimmicks. $.02

Thanks Guys

Dad would make a good automotive journalist. Amplifying the smallest issues out of all proportion 🤣

Last time roman took it offroad with kase they had problemes activating and deactivating the front and rear lockers , is it better now?

I love how Roman complains that there are no heated seats when he specced the truck! Same with the Tacoma, they got the poverty spec and he complains about all the blank switches on the console.

Tommy has an issue putting the rod in the hole 😂

The speed alert thing is infuriating. It's mandatory on all new EU cars now. I imagine it won't be too long before the USA adopts something similar unfortunately.

Great video. Nice SUV but glad I went with my Bronco after seeing this!

I’d like to see more on road driving tests.. where the vehicle will be 90% of the time. Is it a livable daily or too hard core?

I really like it. Just bought a Bronco and wanted the Ineos, but was worried about being such a new car and only one dealer available to sell them not close to me.

It’s funny, there’s actually a dealer already here in Tampa Bay. Run by Crown, which is a pretty big dealer group. With all the 392s, Bronco Raptors, and G wagens I see around here, I’m sure they’ll find a market

So much to like about this vehicle! A few things I wish were different: second row seats fold fully flat into the floor, 40/20/40 rear seats to hold long items

Love the steel wheels!

I wonder if they could keep the slow steering only in Offroad mode and set faster steering with better centering in regular mode. I don't know whether that could be easily done with mechanical steering, though.

I enjoyed the review. Just wait when death wobble develops as the thing gets older. And I'm surprised you haven't had to replace a windshield yet; it is ridiculously vertical. It will also be interesting as these vehicles age dealing with the almost complete lack of a dealer network. We'll see how long it takes to get parts

Actually the steering wheel not returning was happening to me in 2007 Silverado truck, it has better radius then some others, but if i used it i would have to force the wheel back manually before it would start returning

Wow but this price 😊 thanks for this video😊

Hi, Tom I think your Dads moaning for RU-vid sake. The car is absolutely brilliant . I’ve just driven 300+ miles from my home in the midlands (UK) through are beautiful Peak District and on Uk to Richmond in the pennies and back . The more you drive them the more you’ll love it . The steering lock issue , isn’t an issue , the steering on road issue, isn’t an issue . I owned and sold my G wagon for the grenadier and it’s a far better steering set up than the GW. Seats are brilliant , and the cabin and view are perfect . The Speedo to just to my left (UK model) is a genius.i actually commented to my son earlier today that who would of thought that would work and be easier than looking down at a dashboard - brilliant 👍👏👏. Honestly the car feels so well built and it should do, Magna engineering and world class component partners . I see why they increased the vehicle price, it’s impossible to build the car for what is early adopters paid for our car . I think next time Tommy should spec the car , he seems to understand the grenadier more. I blown bc away how good mine performed this last 24 hours and didn’t want to get out of it . And wow 25.4 mpg (diesel) for where we went and what we did is far better than expected . My 2018 diesel G wagon never did more than 21 mpg . In summery and coming from a former G wagon owner I believe the grenadier is a far better built car for 70% of the money . And it’s a 5 year warranty . You guys seem to know Magna, try asking them if it’s the G wagon they designed for Merc to replace the W463!!! I think we all agree the 2019 G wagon is not like its predecessor , but the grenadier is . Well done Sir Jim for following your dream . Would love to see a 2 door smaller truck , like a Degender 90 size at sat £40000 starting price in the UK.

FYI, most recent update removes the speed limit beep. But yeah, not over the air.

Enjoyed this video. A nice break from all the Cyber Truck nonsense.

Fuel capacity and range?

The speed warning must be region specific as in Oz the speed warning is for max speed and is adjustable and does not need to be reset . You ae also missing out on the BMW 3 litre in line 6 diesel version which has slightly less hp but an extra 100 nm of toque (550nm @ 1250 rpm v 450nm @ 1750) . All of the suff that you said that it does not have that the toyotas have is what I turn off in any late model car that I drive .

I really like this vehicle. Just needs a little more refinement in the steering and overall electronics package. The price is a deal breaker and way outside what I could ever afford, but man if this thing became popular and had the support and price like a Jeep Rubicon I would jump on it.

cant help but think the Clicker for the speeding alarm could be found under the dash and just stick a screwdriver through the speaker (or remove it if its mechanical)...

I have to admit this is very well thought out. If it turns out to be reliable for 10 year ownership, it might be worth the price.

Love those steel wheels

is that 17-18mpg calculated by hand or Grenadier trip computer?

Awesome.

the main point of a snorkel intake is not go to deep in water but to get the intake up high away from the dust when driving down dirt and gravel roads

Designed by Magna Steyr in Austria. They are building a lot of cars, mostly renown for Mercedes G Class

Its a 90's land rover defender 110...lol.. of course everyone loves it. Not to mention all the ones on the lot that are sold are still sitting there...are they going to auction like the apple truck?

The snorkel is for getting the air intake out of the dust.

I'd love to have one of these, kind of a boutique vehicle, maybe I'll wait on the used market. or go for the new Land Cruiser.

The warning panel concept is similar to the Boeing 737, (including the newer ones)…A warning panel draws your attention to a problem, that gets identified elsewhere on the aircraft…

This reminds me of Jeremy Clarkson's Mitsuoka le seyde but with 4 wheel drive.

The Range Rover you traded in is superior to this IMO. Love your videos!

What happens if cover the camera with tape? Does the speed limit thing stop? Also they should offer one with the bmw m4 engine.

I like the monochromatic UI. Infotainment systems should not be trying to take your attention away from the road.

I disagree with Roman, cars with push button start are far to easy to steal. There is nothing convient about having to use a steering wheel lock.

What a beast

Magna found a badge for its vehicle. Magna has an electric vehicle concept too. I'm not sure Magna wants to be a vehicle company even though it could build its own vehicle.

Generally speaking BMW engines are very reliable. Even when they leak oil they still work. The problem is everything attached to them.

I believe the steering not centering isn’t so much about the ratio, so much as it is about caster angle. Unfortunately it means they didn't design enough caster angle into the vehicle. Not exactly a super simple fix, but could be fixed in future generations and the aftermarket could make a fix too

The fricking nanny systems companies are incorporating into their new vehicles is a game changer. I agree with Roman. I would not look at this vehicle for that reason alone.

This is probably the wrong place to ask this, but what happened to the GL? I havent seen that in a while

I noticed that in a couple of the videos, it seemed a bit awkward to get the lockers engaged and disengaged. Is that something that you worked out, or are you still finding it difficult?

In my mind, the ultimate overlanding vehicle is the 4.5 liter diesel LC 78 Troopy. . .

Different enough to get attention, expensive enough to turn your nose up at others, and new enough to have the excuse at not knowing how to operate it. This is the perfect car for Roman.

I wonder if there is a fuse for the speed clicking thing?

Check out that Alfa Romeo Easter egg on that front grill!!

“It’s everything you need, and more … and nothing you don’t”

“No parts shared with Land Rover”. Except they both use the ZF gearbox and some range rovers have German engines 😂. Good videos.

Toot Toot-I had to laugh at that😉😂🤪.

Did you say it had wireless car play / Android? In Australia it's wired only

Thank God! These are solid front axle!!! The way God intended a truck to be

I had all the same complaints after I bought it but after a week of driving the steering is a non issue and is just second nature.

Where did you get these protection plates on your bonnet sides?

The Grenadier motto is actually “Built on Purpose”, not “Built for Purpose”. However, I think TFL’s take is better because of course it was “Built on Purpose” -you don’t accidentally build a car.

Wow, Tommy finally got the engine right this time 😂

“Fake hood scoops”. As a 4Runner driver I took that personally…

That price I just can’t do it. Do you know what I could do to my first gen sequoia for that much. Iv already restored is except for the engine because thats bulletproof. So basically solid axle swap would be it. Iv already got lockers. lol just crazy how much those are for what you get…

Some negatives are a little petty... except heated seats. Winter+heated seats=divine.

I was a little surprised at the things that you find undesirable on this vehicle. The steering is what I would expect of an offroader, there is no case to be made for strong self-centering. Having driven millions of miles in a semi, I have developed an appreciation for steering that you dial in and out ONLY as needed and wanted, and never have to fight to get what you want. There was also comment about 'missing' features such as heated and powered seats. I know *I* would not want such things, as it is possible to wade a little too deep sometimes, and power connections under my butt are NOT what I wish to get wet! A heated steering wheel, on the other hand is seriously wanted! The other kinds of 'features' mentioned here include 'blind-spot monitoring and so on - what I call the 'anti-safety equipment'. There is no reason to have a blind spot if you adjust your mirrors correctly (out further than you first think of) so no beeping or blinking distractions are required to handle it. In fact the only safety equipment that is needed and not present is the presence of a standard (manual) transmission. This would not only allow for greater control offroad, but also greater attention to the task at hand when onroad. From the little I have tried, Bronco does this best. As for the things left off - the safari windows, the battery/switching etc package are oversights - but the biggest thing they didn't provide you with is the larger tires, and the portal axle option to enable them best! Perhaps a RockMaster edition? :) Keep up the good work - and get used to the steering - it actually enhances the experience once you get used to it!

I think it's an awesome beast

You guys always complain about 4x4 Toyotas not having all those comfort and technology options. But this is a 80k + car. I get it triple lock and straight axles are great for offroad. But most people only used their off-roader on the weekends.

Seems like the perfect vehicle for off road tasks; it just isn't quite ready for normal daily duties that most of us need our car to be able to accomplish.

It’s a nice rig… hard to buy something first year that expensive. I feel like most orv owners buy and this is a rich buy on a first year unless the warranty and cs is amazing.

Powered seats. Agreed. Heated seats. Agreed Prop rod for hood, use struts, silly. 40k cars have struts to hold a hood up. Costs zero dollars. Great video guys.

Yea I can see the over speed warning can get annoying. Just like the auto start-stop feature in most cars. Make it a routine to turn it off before you go 😂😂

The car you should be comparing that to exists in a newly facelifted form that looks very retro , the TOYOTA 76 SERIES STATION WAGON , where the split sized barndoors come from . Being an oldschool 4x4 Landcruiser , you will cry for your touchscreen toys and offroad programs , it has none of those but it is a triple lock , manual and manual 2h 4h 4l transfer case . If you dont know how to drive one of these , you will learn fast or be straight out to your nintendo toy .

If you could only buy one. Would you buy the Grenadier or the Lexus GX 550?

Keep Roman in the office,

Bought at Red Nolan?

Reminds me of an Izuzu Trooper.

The powertrain is awesome….they need to develop a “trucky” shifter 😂! Getting Magna to help with development was a GREAT idea! Tons of “experienced” talent with the know how to make it last! And truly affordable compared to other off roaders. Maneuverability?….. well my RAM suffers from the same Battleship turn radius.

The Grenadier isn't designed to compete with the car's with all the bells and whistles you are talking about, It's designed to compete with the landcruiser which you don't have, I do know why they have shot up in price since launch, I can guess, They need to bring out a 3 Dr swb and a chassis cab, Which to be honest they should have had ready from the office Especially the chassis cab at dirt cheap prices

The biggest complaint in RDH markets is the lack of space for your left foot due to the "lump" in the footwell. I've heard reviews call it a deal breaker.

There is a software update that let's you turn off permanently. I would think as an owner you would have seen the notification.

Regular gas?? Great review and I love this car's look and functionality!