Why I'm NOT a Fan of This New "Christian" Law 

That's not the critic, nor the problem. No one who opposes the law disbeliefs this.

To many don't understand that and treat America as idol worship. They don't realize the end game that America will burn crispy in Revelation before the new earth.

Absolutely. Trump is being worshiped like a deity. People think he will save America, but God is the only One Who can.

​@@brendaduncan4347 Assuming He chooses to. If He decides not to, I'll be okay with it. No nation can last forever.

agreed. posting the commandments does not point to Jesus. the "Gospel" is not about laws its about love, grace, and mercy.

How do you know you need grace if you don't know there is a standard GOD holds you to?

Even if it turns other children away from it?

​@Kaddywompous this could be a kind argument for many things. If Jonah didn't go to Ninevah...? better to have some follow than none. :)

@@lee-lee2418 I’m not sure if you understood what I was getting at. Many people, who otherwise might have been inclined toward Christianity, are turned off by government endorsement of this kind of thing. Since the 80s, Christianity has become enmeshed in politics, and church membership has declined precipitously since the same time. I don’t think that’s a coincidence.

@@lee-lee2418 I’m not sure if you understood what I was getting at. Many people, who otherwise might have been inclined toward Christianity, are turned off by government endorsement of this kind of thing. Since the 80s, Christianity has become enmeshed in politics, and church membership has declined precipitously since the same time. I don’t think that’s a coincidence.

@@lee-lee2418 I’m not sure if you understood what I was getting at. Many people, who otherwise might have been inclined toward Christianity, are turned off by government endorsement of this kind of thing. Since the 80s, Christianity has become enmeshed in politics, and church membership has declined precipitously since the same time. I don’t think that’s a coincidence.

I agree. If there’s anyway possible, our children should either be homeschooled or in a Christian school. Public schools should at this point be avoided if it all possible.

The first amendment states that the government cannot establish a national religion. The word god, christian, christ, jesus, or any other religious word is nowhere in the original constitution except in 1 spot where it says that there can be no religious test to hold office. Sounds pretty clear the founding fathers did not want religion ruling government.

@@jamesblackwell4965How about private schools?

Totally agree with point one. However, point two is a little confused. No where in the constitution is the state allowed to interfere in the affairs of the church, but certainly the church has the right to influence government. No where in scripture is the idea of hanging the Ten Commandments up a picture of sharing the gospel. We as followers of Jesus Christ are commanded to GO and open our mouths to share the Good News. They must HEAR the Good News in order to come. The church for to long has sit in the pews and kept the message to themselves. That is the most hateful thing we could do to the world. Not trying to be argumentative, but offering another perspective. May God bless and keep you.

"Amendment I: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..." It's true that this nation was founded on Christian principles, but at the same time the Founders did not want one denomination or religion to be able to impose particular religious practices upon the entire nation. And yes the Thirteen Colonies had state churches, but most of them ended up disestablishing them not long after the Revolutionary War for the reason I gave above.

Actually listen to what he's saying. The points he made are valid.

The Bible was written for those who believe. God gave His commandments for His people to follow. Your statement is incorrect

​@MeanMrMustrd ..exactly! the Holy Bible was written to those who Believe. The unregenerated world cannot understand the things of God.

It's on every man's heart. Is what God's word says.

@@sojourning7 of course they wouldn’t understand the things of God if we don’t tell them. We are here, not just to be Christian’s, but to tell others about Christ and His mercy and Grace.

They already have! Idk how you guys not realize that they've been pushing their religion for a century now. There's is no such thing as "neutral" - either you honor God or you don't and not honoring God effects so-called "secular" education.

Many schools systems already provide "prayer rooms" to Muslims who must pray to Allah 5 times a day.

They have the school of satan your worried about the 10 commandments ????

It's a valid concern because that's exactly what it has done. Look at Oklahoma, Satan club is coming in with its "ministers"

Exactly what I was worried about. I've already seen two people on my Facebook newsfeed to say "if they're going to put the 10 commandments in school then they better put up the pillars of islam, and other religion's rules (for lack of a better word)". We already see the church of satan clubs going into school that have a Christian club.

I’m with you and Todd on this.

Israel is a highly Atheistic country.

God's laws aren't "laws of condemnation". That's what the devil's religions preach in order to promote their counterfeit, lawless grace theology. Deuteronomy shows God saying that whoever obeys His laws will lead prosperous, long, and happy lives. The 3rd Commandment say that He has mercy on the ppl who lives by HIs commandments. The 10 Commandments condemn lawless ppl. _That's_ why Paul called it a ministry of death.

@@theeternalsbeliever1779 the law worketh Wrath (Romans 4:15). "Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith" (Galatians 3:13-14).

The 10 commandments alone with no context in a classroom led by a leftist they/them .. ya great idea. Good grief.

Atheism is a RELIGION that has been pushed on public schools for a century. Just because we want to counter that with Christian messaging doesn't mean we also have to accept other religions. Do you stop being a Christian when you involve yourself in politics? Does the 10 commandments stop being God's Word when you are in a secular setting?

They don’t get to promote the false doctrines

@@dustinnyblom7835 If you start having the Govt forbid all the other religions to post their documents in public places and only allowing Christians to post because Christianity the Govt says Christianity is the truth (which I believe it is), how is that not Govt endorsement of religion, clearly prohibited by the 1st Amendment?

@@sidwhiting665 because the document was written by Christians, in a Christian nation. The document does not allow for false religion to be expressed. It’s freedom in denomination, not in heresy preached. Go read Westminster confession of faith 24:3, and some of these men were apart of church’s that endorsed that at that time. Try to think in historical context about this

I knew it didn’t seem right. Thank you Todd for clarifying my discernment. Now the floodgates will be open for false religions to post their beliefs. Ugh.

Nuetrality is a myth. Not whether a god will be in the school but which. Agree with you brother 👍

How do you know that the laws of our country were based on the 10 Commandments?

@@jonathanmarks3112 I think the commenter was referring to the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, not all of our country's laws. Nobody would claim that, otherwise abortion, gay marriage, so-called hate speech, and other anti-Christian legislation wouldn't have ever been enacted.

@@willowbrook2717 OK, fair. However, my question still stands: how do you know that the Constitution and the Bill of Rights are based on the 10 Commandments, @marlenechioda8290? The two founding documents share no overlap whatsoever with the 10 Commandments.

Best response I've read.

This is why we need the church and the state to be separate. What if someone from other religions takes over the government and they want to then put up their scriptures in all public schools? Having nothing is better than having falsehood taught to children.

So let me ask you this: let's say the 10 Commandments are posted in the classroom right next to a copy of the 5 Pillars of Islam, the Vedas, and the Upanishads. Would that be a net good or.... would it simply lead to religious pluralism furthered by a public university educated teacher who doesn't know anything about or respect the Bible? I want my kids getting the truth of God's Word first from me, then from my church, and above all from the Bible itself. The pitiful job the public schools would do with it would be more damaging than good.

@@sidwhiting665 1.Our founding documents were not based on the other things you mentioned. 2. If they were there, you, your church, and the bible would still be there to teach them.

Are laws capable of producing that kind of reform? Wouldn't heart change be required instead?

Best response! Amen!

I have the same hope, but I agree with Todd that there may be more potential harms given the power dynamic of a classroom. For example, how many bonafide Christian teachers are there? How many atheists? So when kid goes to ask about the Ten Commandments, what response do they receive? But I agree, God willing they’ll get the curiosity to pursue it and God will save them.

​@@lukenath6983 Perhaps, but God's word will not return to Him void.

This is true. However, mankind may use God’s word to cause harm. I’m not saying one way is right or wrong, but I would err on caution

I went to school in the 70s in FL when they were pushing to force any teacher of any faith or no faith to teach creation. High school teachers saw it as a joke and a reason to pick on the Christian kids. ​@@lukenath6983

Our faith cannot be forced on others. Period. God brings his own to himself. He doesn't need government's help.

The second use of the law is to restrain evil but nobody is bringing that up that I can see in the comments. This is where the confessions are so helpful.

But this is not relying on the sovereignty of God to fulfill His purposes. This is relying on the sovereignty of government. And, as Todd, and the apostle Paul, and countless generations of brothers and sisters who have suffered for Christ in other countries will attest, human laws do not bring people to repentance. What schools need isn't a plaque on the wall but sold-out believers with the Word chiseled on their hearts to make a difference. All this law will do is entice more sin and rebellion in the hearts of people who do not have the Holy Spirit, for without the Holy Spirit the things of God are foolishness to man. What this law will do is open the door to other religions that deny Christ to do the very same thing. And then we will be right back to where we were before a plaque was on the wall. Waiting on the sovereignty of God and His Spirit to help sinners discern truth from lies.

@@larryav8r - In a perfect world your solution is of course awesome and correct! Your words: " What our schools need is not a plaque on the wall, but sold out believers with the word chiseled on their hearts, to make a difference. " so will you allow your children or grandchildren to be those believers to make that difference? Most will not! Most have abandoned our public schools for the comfort of the Private Christian school or homeschooling to protect their children from the world and its indoctrination. In reality " for the comfort of themselves " Since the vast majority of parents are way too lazy to disciple their own children, this is where we are! The reality of our societal evils lies in our own disobedience to Christ and this command: " make disciples of all nations " Matthew 28:18-20!

@@paulrivalto1974 You make very good points. As someone whose wife is a christian school teacher, and who has two teenage sons in Christian schools, it does seem easy for me to say these things. But my point was more about what will make change not just in public schools but or our neighborhoods, our cities, and our nation. It's never going to be plaques, political parties, or laws. It will be believers sacrificially living out their faith wherever they are. My wife and I send our kids to Christian schools not to shelter them but to prepare them for the world. To disciple them. They're certainly not sheltered when they go to the public pool, or go to work, or hang out with the their non-believing friends. It's our hope and prayer that Christian education won't be a shelter for them but a training ground to help them be the salt and light they will have to be whether they're under our roof or not. That's certainly the stated goal of the school we have chosen to send them to. But even Chrisitan schools are no guarantee that your child is "protected" from worldly influences. A lot of the kids who attend my sons' schools are there solely because the parents want a safer place for their child to attend. They are not believers. They acquiesce to the requirements that their child must attend Bible classes and chapel but they certainly aren't there to disciple their kid. We have many Christian friends who send their kids to public schools either because the can't afford private education or only the public schools have the AP courses their kids want to take. But I digress. My original point was that we, as American Christians, have become too accustomed to having political clout and we're losing that influence. Instead of trusting God and doing what every other brother and sister around the world has had to do, find sufficiency in Christ, we're clinging to the idol of political power as if that is what has been our savior. We're lashing out in fear and anger and not trusting God.

@@larryav8r - So Larry...... begin now to " make disciples of all nations " become a disciple of Christ Jesus, to walk as a disciple in Christ Jesus, then to make still more disciples as Christ Jesus Himself demonstrated in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. Even as a 68 year old evangelist, I myself have only been making disciples for 17 years now! Have been walking as a true child of Jehovah God for 38 years! Been an evangelist for over 35 years! Yet, in those 17 years God has given me 21 men ( John 17:4-6 ) to disciple and to " Rub Christ into them thoroughly" ( John 3:22 ) in that downline of men from those disciples! For they have continued discipling as I have as well! ( 2 Timothy 2:1-2 ). There are now some 3,500 plus men who are making disciples ( Matthew 28:18-20 ) as they deny themselves and take up their crosses daily to follow after Christ alone ( Luke 9:23 ) and being Christ's witnesses both in their Jerusalem, and in all of their Judea, and in their Samaria and too the uttermost! Their-Neihhbor, Their- Near, Their - Neglected, Their- Next. Psalm 128 gives us a brilliant picture of a man who effects the world around him with his obedience John 14:15 in his walk with God! I will begin evolving you and yours in my prayers from Ephesians 1:16-23 to finally realize and reveal who you truly are in Christ! Perhaps others will soon see who they can be in Christ as well! Be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus!!

@@larryav8r Only one solution to all of that! Become a disciple of Christ, making still more disciples in Christ as you witness of Christ to the world that God still so loves, ( Matthew 28:18-20, John 3:16-18, Acts 1:8 ) all the while denying yourself and taking up your cross daily to follow after Christ alone! ( Luke 9:23 ). John 14:15 sums all of this up!!

Because Baptists.

Why “thou” instead of “you?”

So when Moses came down from the mountain those tablets were a figment of imagination and not written by the finger of God? Until this comment I have never heard ANYONE suggest that the Ten Commandments were supposed to be "utterances". What does that even mean????? And would it have any effect on their importance, significance, or value? What part of "Thou shalt not kill (meaning murder)" is misunderstood?

It's not mixing light and darkness to prioritize "light" in public spaces. That's like saying a politician can't implement policies reflective of his Christian beliefs because there are elements of politics that are "dark".

@@johnathanl8396the light is Jesus Christ, that is the only light. The issue is that Salvation comes through Jesus Christ. And we all know that secular schools can’t teach about Jesus Christ. Church and state are separate. I hope you understand it’s not about our opinion here, rather the enemy’s efforts of trying to water down the gospel. Whose agenda is this? Just think about it.

TRUE!!!!

I also agree with Todd and I work for the public school. Todd is proceeding with caution and posting these 10 commandments does not appear to be a wise move at this time.

@@cenoviaarroyo The Separation of Church And State Was To Protect The Church Not The State,Our Schools Started Out Teaching Kids To Read and Write From a Bible,All Our Early Schools Were Christian,Just Read Puritan History in America,Just think about it.

Perhaps it was to keep religion from dictating government. The American Constitution was written in response to Britain’s collaboration of state and religion supporting a monarchical system which gave kings ‘divine’ powers. Where man is involve there will always be room for misuse and abuse of power.

My thoughts too

@@Brian-Michigan so you don't value perspective and differing opinions? This is what it looks like to be indoctrinated folks.

Absolutely and we as christians should not be deceived just because we want this to happen because it aligns with our beliefs.

What??! Then which laws should a Christian lawmaker make when he/she enters politics? Are there any laws anywhere that don't forbid non-believers, or believers for that matter, from living however they want? The logic in your comment is indefensible.

100% explains the Chosen series and all the effigies in their temples.

I never really understood this, not having idols is pretty much the same as have no other gods before me. There aren't really 10 if you read exodus and deuteronomy. Some lists of the 10 lump all the coveting ones together as one.

Who's Paul? But I agree "Lord of the Flies" is terrible and should not be classed as "literature"🤢

@@bonald8349 You know that Apostle guy. 😳Sheesh! guess he was in my mind. Sorry senility is setting in, sorry Peter, uhhh Jonh... oh, yeah! Todd! See, it's easy to get you mixed up, after all, Todd you are only good at 1 job...

@@geneilten6603 😄😄

They aren't mandating Christianity. They are posting the Ten Commandments and helping to set guiderails for those that are in authority as well as the students.

Oh really? Tell me more!

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The “in God we trust”, is actually referring to the god of this world, Satan. The back of the dollar bill has the pyramid with the all seeing eye. Billy Crone talks about that.

Yeah well, Todd is 100% wrong because his argument in based on an entirely false premise. He says the 10 Commandments belong to Christians and Jews, but the Bible says that these are _God's_ laws. They don't belong to any human being. If they did, then humans are in a position to dictate what is inherently right or wrong. God plainly states in Deuteronomy that children ought to be educated in His laws, so Todd is preaching rebellion.

@@theeternalsbeliever1779 I think you make a good point about the commandments belonging to God, not any group of people. All humans are under God's law. However, to say Todd is 100% wrong & "preaching rebellion" is way out of line!

If that’s your intent with this, then it is explicitly unconstitutional.

@@Kaddywompous it's unconstitutional to establish A church such as the church of England or the Church of America. It is not unconstitutional to express Christian values in the course of governing. Almost all the founding fathers did so without being questioned about bei g constitutional.

@@bock1965 That’s not what you described. You said hanging the commandments goes towards preaching the gospel. That’s explicitly religious and forbidden by the first amendment.

@@Kaddywompous you do not understand the constitution . Hanging the ten commandments is not establishing A church.. Establishing a church would be if congress said every body in the country had to belong to a certain church. Like saying everyone has t be a member of a Baptist church. Or if congress said the national church is the Lutheran church and it would be the only one that congress would endorse. Hanging the ten commandments in schools would only reflect the over all Christian faith of the founders not say that only one form of Christianity was the right one. You my friend have been deceived by the world i you believe the constitution says anything at all about separation of church and state . It does not.

@@bock1965 And you should read the first amendment. It says nothing about establishing a church, but “establishing religion”, something a public school mandating the display of a religious document explicitly does. Explain to courts that have struck this type of thing down for decades that they don’t understand. Explain to Thomas Jefferson that HE didn’t understand when he said that the first amendment meant “a wall separation of church and state.”