We Need To Talk About CAMM 2 | G.Skill at Computex 2024 

Sort of, as of right now desktop RAM is still faster, but thats because of their higher power draw. Part of the reason for CAMM on mobile was allowing for higher speeds, without higher power usage, but i suspect once we start hitting DDR5 12000 we might need the CAMM/2 standard for faster memory. Of note, a homelab would be a great use for CAMM/2 set and forget, uses less power, allows for better CPU cooling in a low profile, a win-win-win They said the same thing about SODIMM DDR4 generally topping out at 3800 VS LPDDR4 going to 4266 "The traces are shorter, so they can go faster" When i overclocked some desktop B-dye to 5000C17 with a 5700G in gear1/CR1 around the same time LPDDR4X was hitting 4600 Oh and CAMM2 hitting 7600? I've had an 8700G with 48GB of 8000 for more than 6 months, and thats not even an overclocking the RAM, thats just XMP(didnt have an EXPO kit of this capacity/speed).

@@denvera1g1 ddr6 starts at 12800. i think that the 10600 range of speeds is probably the upper tier achievable for ddr5. DId you notice the CL timings on that 10600 mhz. it def looks like camm2 and back connect motherboards are probably the future for builds

CAMM2 has a place in laptops, but I have zero interest for desktop. LGA sockets are too prone to getting damaged. Buying used motherboards is an even worse crapshoot now because of those sockets.

@@iguanac6466 FYI the interface is supposed to be replaceable, with a much more durable LGA interface on the motherboard, so basically the replaceable bridge is pins on both sides

@@iguanac6466 you have zero interest in lower memory latency? wheres your solution to achieving this and if so submit it to jedec like dell did for camm

Have you looked around CAMM isnt new........ There are alot of reviews out there, and laptops that already use it. My dell laptop is CAMM2 for example.

@@AnIdiotAboard_yes but it’s usually been something you couldn’t buy on its own and swap out for testing purposes

@@AnIdiotAboard_Dell’s custom CAMM spec was first introduced into its laptops in April 2022. The JEDEC standardized CAMM2 was announced June last year and finalized this past December. The first laptops with CAMM2 and motherboards were just announced over the past month. Dell’s laptops have not been updated to the CAMM2 spec yet and the modules are not compatible between the two. I’m really curious what the hell you consider new.

@@FunningRast it's brand new provided by work. The previous one was also camm2 but that's no in the easter bin.

@@AnIdiotAboard_Like I said. If it was Dell. It was CAMM not CAMM2.

more rgb to keep me up at night :D

ssshhhh!! stop giving then ideas.

"There's already one with a screen on it". Was my first thought. Lol.

yeah he has better personality than kyle. More genuine too.

Yeah Lyle is the real deal, Kyle is just a poser

Me too. He was straight forward and always shot from the hip.

Dell also designed it to reduce the thickness of their laptops as so-dimm slots especially layered so-dimm slots add a height restriction. Which OEMs get around by soldering ram onto the board but that means you can't upgrade it and if one the ram chips goes funky... if you don't have access to the relevant parts and gear to do the repair or out of warranty you're... effectively f*cked.

Desktop would "benefit a great deal"....how much is a great deal? A couple watts in a desktop especially a workstation means nothing, and RAM is hardly a contributor to heat output. What's the ACTUAL saving? 5 watts? For everyday computing a few more GBs of bandwidth means nothing and a slight reduction from what? 65ns to 55ns? 50ns? Noticeable...in a benchmark that measures only that maybe. This is oversold, I can smell it. Will cost savings be passed on to the consumer if it is easier to manufacture for as a standard? Or more like it just means more money lining their pockets? I suspect the later. For desktop this is a solution looking for a problem.

@@Berserkism your reply is relevant if you only take into account power consumption, and even there you're shooting from the hip with your numbers. The ability to run the same clock speeds at a lower voltage gives you more head room for performance. It also provides for greater stability because less heat is generated and heat is a function of voltage and power consumption. This is very attractive to mobo manufacturers and PC enthusiast. More than that, is just better tech. If you'd even given a half hearted attempt to reading up the standard on your own you might be less inclined to be so one dimensional in your assessment and then use it to minimizing my post. But, I guess, you prove the Dunning-Kruger effect is still alive and well.

Probably 8, to milk you dry. 😂

It takes up the same width. When talking about PCB real estate, I don't know how people don't see the space it saves length wise. It's half the length!

Money

@@woofkaf7724 Nope, LPDDR5 CAMM2 is designed for low power utilisation for battery life. Whereas on desktops, performance matters the most not battery life.

You can stack CAMM2 modules

@@talkingonthespectrum i see. thanks for the info!

It has pads that mate with sprung pins on the socket

Or even GPU style cooler for CPUs, with double or triple fans parallel to the motherboard throwing air towards the board, i believe there already are GPU coolers capable of cooling some CPUs in this configuration.

And if you want more RAM in a couple years, you will have to throw this camm card away and buy a whole new card with more memory. What a waste, no thanks gskill I’ll just stick with dimm sticks

No you can't. If your adding RAM it won't run at XMP anymore and it might have boot issues due to mixing RAM.

@@battlephenom8508 That's often true, but not always. If your RAM isn't ridiculously fast and your CPU has a good memory controller, it's normally fine to mix kits.

@@adas2409you could always sell it?

​@@battlephenom8508 i had three different brands of ddr3 running in a pc for 5+ years no problems at all played games did what i had to never had any problems

PC World covered a stackable single channel CAMM2 module that you can get up to 512 GB of dual channel memory. But I don't think it's ready on desktop yet

@@JBrinx18 Cool, tyvm

Check out Gordon Ung's (PCWorld) coverage of the CAMM2 module, he has gone quite into detail and has also obtained permission to share some of technical docs from Jedec on CAMM2. In short, it's a smal LGA strip designed initially by Dell for laptops and later licensed to Jedec (I imagine licensed under FRAND, as I don't see DELL giving this away for free) to speed up adoption. Jedec later developed the standard for single and dual channel, the Dell Inventors are creditted in the technical documentations. The aforesaid LGA strip in early protypes can be replaced if the pins are damaged. I hope is feature doesn't get removed by motherboard OEMs.

Yup, you'd have to sell or trade your old module for the newer module.

@@earthtaurus5515 That's what I was afraid of.

There's a waterblock in the works and got posted in the r/watercooling Reddit.

@@SeventhCircle77 surely just a finned heatsink with that massive surface area would be enough

The pinouts are small, it was a laptop design initially by Dell and then licensed to Jedec I imagine under FRAND. The pin out is a small strip not a rectangular socket like a LGA CPU socket.