Doja Cat is so funny to me because I think she resented the fans she got by not being edgy so she felt uncool and she decided to flip it, make her fans seem uncool instead for liking her in the first place, and now she’s doing this shallow dark shit that no one’s really buying
thats what ive been thinking! i feel like she's mad or embarrassed at herself for making "mediocre pop" (even tho she shouldnt be!) so now she's blaming fans for eating it up when its like...girl... you chose to make that shit don't be mad at us lmao
I feel like someone she respected or an alt white guy she was thirsting after called her a pop princess and called out that a lot of her fans were teeny boppers under the age of 15. Probably said she wasn’t really an “artist”. And it stuck with her. So now she’s doing an edgy phase that a few pop artists do after mainstream success to prove something. That she’s deep or something. I guess. It all seems very performative. Next album she’ll have a completely different aesthetic, further solidifying her pop artist status and people will look back at this as her “devil worshipping” phase.
I don’t know, this may be an unpopular opinion, but she’s giving - 16 year old that starts wearing black lipstick, lots of eyeliner and storms into her room screaming “you don’t understand me MOM”. And then blares My Chemical Romance at 11 in her room. Basically she’s got Ebony Dementia Raven Way vibes.
I don't mind her use of devil imagery at all, I think her costume on demons was amazing. I just think she's trying way too hard to fit a role. Saying she doesn't care and oooh she's the devil while complaining about her own fanbase and planning to make an entire song about comments she got on fawking twitter 😭😭😭😭 she's become kind of a joke at this point honestly, and this is coming from a longtime fan. I genuinely cannot take doja seriously no more
As someone who has never heard of her until just now, I just checked her newest stuff and I found it pretty amazing. Maybe try to look at it without comparing it to her earlier works?
@@476f7474 with respect, don’t be late to the game and then suggest this artist you just discovered. It’s not about the music style changing, nothing changed
She’s never been trying to be taken “seriously” she’s been an internet troll since day 1 which you would know if you were ACTUALLY a “long time fan” like you claim.
@@SirenRyanright, so then why would she want validation as a rapper then? Since she’s not serious about anything, that should include her status as a rapper, right?
@@alkahinat4558this is SO obtuse. Life isn’t black and white. She didn’t say “I don’t care about literally anything at all!” She said she doesn’t care what people think about her personal life or who they think she is. Wanting your music to be taken seriously is in no way the same thing.
I swear her team is paying for her song to be pushed on social media. The other day on TikTok I searched for Halle Bailey’s “Angel” and all of the Angel clips came up - but then “Paint the town red” was in the middle of the list? It stood out SO much!
I kind of like the idea that someone can still be successful without being active on social media or having a huge following of fans that they pander to.
@@pisceanbeauty2503they mean everyone's still going to use her songs for short form content such as videos with a "transition" for example a video where in the first half someone isn't wearing makeup and in the second half they make a transition to wearing a full face of makeup.
btw you go girl, try new stuff, experiment, have fun, get a little artsy, do whatever you want with your career, exept maybe insult the general public and your fans ? i don't remember madonna being like "my fans are dumb" every time she changed aesthetics
YES! You just said what I've been thinking all along, her "satanic" ways and imagery is all just to grab some attention and be the talk of the town, sometimes it's even hilarious to me, like that reference you made to the 5 year old dressing for halloween. Just like that.
I think she's going through the 27s like when I was 27. i was feeling like I'm getting "old" while also feeling young? It made me depressed and questioned my path in life.
I felt the same, I’m 31 now and just had to accept my age but that doesn’t mean I have to give up any of my interests / hobbies that others might see as childish. Wherever I am in life is where I’m supposed to be and it’s no one’s place to judge or have an opinion on. My goal in life is to just be happy
@@CrabQuesadilla keep in mind we’re all entitled to our own opinions, but i do agree, however i think every single woman has a bit of internalized misogyny because of society and history. We are always criticized for being too “sensitive” etc etc. Purposely trying to distance yourself from what is considered normal for a woman is fine if that’s how you want to express yourself/your femininity but with Doja specifically she’s such a “pick me” in the way that she tries to be a contrarian with literally everything i don’t think her shaving her head was to express herself i think it’s another way that, she thinks, makes her better than other women. idk it’s just my opinion, i like frilly girly stuff, i like dark “emo” things as well, i think there’s nothing wrong with being girly or not as i teeter the line myself, i think it’s the intention behind those actions that makes the difference & something about her attitude just gives me the ick. also she’s interacted/dated a few incels if i’m not mistaken? that speaks volumes to me.
This comment is misogynistic and pick me. She is just acting like an internet troll like she always has been and people come in with this idea of who she is based off of her pop hits and get mad at the reality. This has always been Doja since day one, it’s funny that all of you are acting surprised at it.
It’s just the way a women will act not according to society’s idea of them and how they behave and so they get pegged as a pick me. It’s a quick label to throw on and just shows pretty shallow thinking. Not to mention the amount of careers that’s have been able to be amplified by this new album. She isn’t just getting random people to develop her look and aesthetic. She’s going into creative spaces of people who aren’t aligned with society’s norms and giving them opportunities to show what they can do, on quite frankly every part of this new project. I can guarantee if Doja was a white women doing the same shit she would be championed. But instead everyone is trying to knock the brown girl down for being quirky.
@@CrabQuesadilla she's not a pick me because of shaving her hair she's a pick me more for ignoring her racist ahh bf's grooming accusations and dating him in the first place😭
Balut is a fertilized developing egg embryo that is boiled or steamed and eaten from the shell. It is commonly sold as street food most notably in the Philippines, Cambodia and Vietnam. Pronounced Bal-oot.
Oh wow, maybe you have no idea what I'm saying, but I think I finally know what Bretman Rock was eating on insta. It looked exactly to what you just described.
You are all absolutely disgusting for thinking eating an alive animal is okay.Where is your empathy?You have failed as a human being,you are supposed to care for the earth and its creatures..not torture them.
I loved her fun music. Now it feels like she is trying to be #deep but shes too shallow. She was doing a better job and making people happier than she is now. Shes gotten into her own head and thinks shes a genius
these are just my thoughts Im goth and i love all things morbid and disturbing personally, im not really scared of the imagery she makes but it feels forced and it doesn't feel genuine Perfect summaries: Party City and Edgy teenager trying too hard Her songs before were fun but had thought and care put behind it they always stuck out and stayed with you my fav album from her is Planet Her hands down Even though she has a message to share with her current songs i think they fall flat yes they are catchy but it always feels like its missing something Also i think we can all agree: never explain your next move and dont over explain your work this is what Doja Cat needs to work on sis is struggling creatively
@@BeatriceFlowers agreed! we all have creative sides of us. shes a work in progress like we all are it does take time and improvement no doubt shes an amazing artist but if she wants to take on this new style she needs to ahem "redirect her cooking." i know i know cheesy🙈
@@notyourplasticdoll sorry I didn’t mean to delete my comment. Thanks for the reply though :) Absolutely agree about over explaining. To paraphrase something Layne Stayley of Alice in Chains said, the thoughts a songwriter has when they write songs are for them … and whatever the listener thinks or feels when they hear it, that’s the right meaning for them. Even if it’s nothing to do with what it was written about. I mean for sure, if it’s meant to have a specific message then that might differ… but having a big fat tantrum because your fans didn’t get your songs, is pathetic. And slagging off fans for being fans is just a bitch move. Like bitch, if you want people to understand your songs, write better. I’m being mean there, I don’t even know the songs that are being referred to. But she is definitely being a megabitch and it’s a low move. Also, if I had fans that called themselves kittens, I’d love it. 😆 shit! Sorry that was epic long 😳
Use to love her as well, her music was fun and lighthearted. She's very talented and it's a shame that she has a very bad and off putting personality and choose to hang out with and date terrible people. She also loves to deflect and make the main topic of a conversation into something else...this didnt start out about fandom, which is an important conversation, but she truly said she dont gaf about dating predator and blocked victims. Idk why there's a need some feel to listen to her when so many other artists do make lighthearted and fun music too. And that "change" to her music that she called her fans dumb for liking, never even came. It still sounds the same. She's not hard to NOT listen to at all
Doja is just not good at criticism. The whole reason why she went off into this weird esoteric era is because of the years of criticism of her music, and the whole rant about fans started when they talked badly about her boyfriend.
I feel like I can somewhat relate to Doja on an artistic level. I'm an illustrator myself, and I've always identified with spooky and dark themes. However, during my time in university and while freelancing, I frequently found myself creating bright, minimalist, and flat graphics. Surprisingly, these pieces garnered more popularity than my "authentic art style." Over time, more people began associating me exclusively with these bright, nothing like me illustrations, and it reached a point where I started disliking my own art. My artistic persona became so disconnected from my true self, which caused something similar to personal crisis.
as someone who follows a lot of SEA food content creators, balut is not a bird eaten alive… it feels weird that she used the name of this dish and phrased the “meaning of her song” like that.
@@kioxis7571 i felt the same. she used the name of an asian dish but in such a disrespectful manner. one quick google search would show her that it has nothing to do with being “eaten alive”
yeah that statement was really weird. and i don't think balut is something super obscure either, why did she think she could get away with that explanation of what balut is >.>
"eaten" might not have been the right word. but the bird inside is alive, in fact usually near the final state before it breaks out of its shell. What do you do before you eat something? You usually cook it. It was cooked while still alive and then eaten. So really, your point is kind a moot.
Why not? She has this veil of very forced and contrived edgy behaviour that really doesn’t hold up under scrutiny and I think that deserves an analytical call out.
@@UwUlilbby666 I don’t disagree that she’s a troll but it just feels really forced is all I’m saying. She’s peeved bc her boyfriend is a scumbag imo. Nobody is clutching their pearls here. Atleast not me :)
@@UwUlilbby666that troll excuse is getting tired. No one is mad that she's a "troll" (a very shitty one at that), no one is scared of her new wannabe edgy persona, this isn't the 80s, we've already seen this act before. We're mad that she's dating and defending a predator and she's literally attacking the same people that help start her career, she's a toddler stuck inside of a bad bitch body.
I think your opinion fits perfectly of what’s going on here and why so many are put off by her. Also I want to add - she’s coming off very ungrateful, to me. By telling everyone that her prior songs were just cash grabs and meaningless. Obviously those songs had a lot of meaning to a lot of people. And meaning can lie in a lot more ways than just lyrically. Most of the time it’s a memory/time and place that people associate with that song. Doja beat the odds by becoming a huge music star; she achieved what so many never will, even if they are equally as talented as Doja Cat. Her shitting on it all now feels very ignorant.
The truth hurts. I actually think ya'll should respect for her telling you the truth (it's a cash grab) and wake up to how greedy and predatory this industry truly is. I liked some of her music for what it is but I never found myself relating to it in any meaningful way. It's very similar to other "sexxy grrl" type music which is fine but it isn't particularly unique
Yea not only that but her new music doesn't even sound any different than the music she described as "cash grabs"... just because she's doing the "edgy pop star" thing idk .. nobody would have thought twice about it if she wouldn't have gone off like she did and acted like her new music was gonna be something new and different. Does it bop? Sure .. but the whole satanic symbolism thing in pop is so outdone.
@@laciloraxI couldn’t have said this better myself. I think that people don’t want to face the reality of how much all of our media is made for profit and not out of passion.
Yes this. Its the ungrateful part especially towards fans. Like she really makes fans feel dumb for liking her previous music. I feel weird seeing her old performances knowing now how she really thinks about it all.
Not a huge talking point about Doja, but just a fashion/style thing in general lol...I feel like the edgy "satanic" thing is really overdone right now. Like there are so many artists who've done it already, so the shock value is kind of just gone now? Like it's really not actually that different anymore. When newer artists try it, it feels like they're trying to be different and cool but it just makes me bored. That's just my 2 cents. 🤷🏼♀️🤷🏼♀️
Not speaking for everyone but it's more so shocking I believe because it's her and her fanbase and wasn't at all expecting her to go this route. She's already made a selling point with "Attention" (which I enjoyed) and her many livestreams going off on "fans" making it clear that she's fed up so can this new content really be construed as a clapback? Agreed that's it's not reinvention but moreso regurgitation of what artists have been doing for decades.
I agree. Lil Nas X is the only memorable and noteworthy recent mainstream example of it and I think it's because there's a lot of love, care, and thought put into the execution. ICESPEAK does it quite well too with their most recent stuff - truly matches my nightmare imagery haha.
i think she really thought she did something going from hyper-femme bubble-pop to edgelord on 4chan. its a sad attempt at a rebrand that i think she already regrets.
It's because no one cares, in the 80s it was something because of the statement and talent that went into it, nowadays it's just dollar store blood, dark makeup they found on Pinterest and stealing ideas.
Maybe in America Sanatic panic hits different. Here in Europe its kinda nothing. Maybe in some regions ofSpain or Italy might be shocking, but I personally think she just looks for reactions. Her music stills sounds the same like the previous album.
Nah it's nothing here too, only online in religious and conspiracy parts of the internet do people overthink it but the general public is bored with it, even the satanic Temple is bored of it lmao.
it’s literally nothing & hasn’t been since the 80s. she’s just desperate for attention. that song wasn’t a joke, she truly just wants attention now at any cost & she’s floundering.
I agree 100% and also, totally cracked up at the "HelloOo, did you see this? This is totally creepy!" 😂 P.S. your outfit is lovely and very pretty on you, and I feel like you should do a mini photoshoot with a fancy teaset at dusk sitting under a slightly spooky old tree with multicolor lanterns, the juxtoposition of cute and eerie would be so good ❤
I feel like this was all just a “love” letter (more like hate letter) to her fans. And she’s behaving like a nepo baby by not acknowledging that she’s where she is in major part because of her fans. No one is saying she hasn’t gotten where she is because of her talent. But without an audience supporting her she would not have all this money now. Either she’s pretending she doesn’t understand or actually doesn’t understand that when her fans say they love her and wish she’d go back to saying she loves them, they don’t mean literally. They just want to be appreciated and they appreciate her. Just swap out “love” for “appreciate” and everything would be fine but she wants to be an entitled brat.
Feel the like dress totally fits! Feel like if Doja hadn’t taken this turn her look would have worked perfectly w the Barbie movie. Missed opportunity imo - so its interesting you’re bringing the “(Hot) Pink” look Doja’s trying to abandon so much.
I love Doja Cat but what I don't like about this new music is that she is clapping back at the most negative part of her audience instead of focusing on creating something. Her music is a Twitter comment basically and it's just boring. We already had Taylot Swift do that and it was boring too. Like just make art, stop having a back and forth with the fans through your songs...
her audience has almost nothing to do with it. blaming her behavior on anyone but herself is very irresponsible. its also weird to boil humans down to "art" and pretend they dont have stances & opinions. shes an artist, but she still makes statements and her "art" has meaning thats specific to her. therefore, you cannot just separate the art from the artist bc while artists are humans, their art is inherently a part of them. thats how art works.
@@pixie9499 really not sure you can say her negative audience has nothing to do with it when every song she's released so far is directed toward her negative critics. The OP isn't blaming her audience for anything.
Hi just another athiest millenial chuckling at the 80s/90s revival who remembers the satanic panic and edgy teens very well. I agree Guilia, doja is in her very yawn and eyeroll level of early 2000s hot topic edginess era. Thanks Guilia, I'm never not ready to glare lol. On a funny side note: in 3rd grade, I dressed up as the devil for my catholic school's halloween party and that's the sort of vibe I'm getting. PS love the pastel goth look today 🩷🖤
I find it really interesting you mentioned the part about how the song could still have meaning for people. Some of her songs make me really happy and give me so much needed dopamine and serotine. But oh well one man's trash is another ones treasure
“Balut” is cooked fertilized duck egg that’s a very popular dish from the Philippines. It’s very controversial since eggs are almost always eaten unfertilized in other places & it looks pretty disturbing, though my filipina mom said the embryo can’t feel pain when it’s being cooked. Now, I’m very skeptical of the idea of cultural appropriation, but her saying that her song “signifies a bird that’s being eaten alive” rubs me the wrong way. Balut is NOT eaten alive, so her misunderstanding that for no reason feels like she’s just doing it for shock value. Perhaps she just wants to rile up pinoys because she made it seem like they eat live ducklings by her wording? Tbh I have a hunch that she’s trying to emulate Melanie Martinez by drastically changing up her image in her next album with the presence of a lot of non-Christian themes. Melanie’s newest album seems to have a lot of pagan spirituality in it, so maybe Doja’s trying to one up her with using satanic imagery? Some more extreme fans of Mel will say that you’re not a “real fan” if you don’t like her new stuff & Doja might want that kind of exclusivity for herself. I could just be connecting the two in this case because I’m a longtime fan of Melanie who’s stuck around after her style change, but I think it’s weird how some people try to gate-keep her music. Edit: I’m an agnostic witch (still figuring it out) but I’m not a fan of Doja. I just wanted to add that because it was mentioned at the end that other pagans/wiccans/satanists don’t like her either lol
The difference between Melanie and Doja is that with Melanie, you can see that she writes her music from her heart, as cheesy as it sounds, but it's true. You can feel her artistry even in the costume. I felt similar to doja with her previous stuff. I really believed in her versatility and flexibility in music production. Now her stuff is just boring, imo. The lyrics are often about how she is the main bitch, how everyone else is stupid, and just overall flexing material goods as if it's impressive in today's world (consumerism). Someone wrote that her new look reminds them of the "it's not a phase mom!" phase of 16 year olds and I agree, as someone who loves dark and edgy shit.
She always made songs from her own experiences and emotion, and i really connected to that. She's going through a tough period in her life obviously, and there's nothing wrong with that. Also, she is absolutely right about how ridiculous parasocial relationships are. I don't expect her ot 'love' me, all i want for her is to keep making music so i can listen to it and it makes me happy. Also i agree with the demon thing, she is obviusly refrencing the song and it's meaning, it's not that deep lol.
girl when you were talking about the movies that still mean so much to you I know exactly what you mean, lmfao I've been watching "never been kissed" for 20 years !!!!
I like the new stuff 🤷🏻♀️ excited for the album to drop. Social media can be so unhealthy and all-consuming so I think it’s pretty based that she’s shedding subscribers and parasocial weirdos. Celebrities don’t owe their fans anything. You can listen if you want, don’t if you don’t want to.
The music industry and Billboard top 100 and such lists are so corrupt though, I don't really trust that as a measuring stick of the success of her music
You look so beautiful in all your moods. To be honest I don't really listen to Doja Cat's music like that but I've got to say, I really like the artistry of her latest music videos.
Ill be honest…… weve been letting fans in general become too obsessed with actors and musicians for way too long. Since back in the fifties…….. its out of hand. The musician isn’t our slave and they don’t have to answer to us. We need to accept that.
That's not even the problem, the problem is that she's blocking the people who speaking out against her boyfriend for being a pedo groomer, and abusing his victims.
nah but if they want to have an audience, they need nit verbally abuse them. no one wants anyone to answer to anyone, some of yall are just obsessed with ownership. its the fact that she started making meme non-music and HER FANS are the reason she blew up. we should have all known she was delulu & unserious when she really thought she got famous bc "bitch im a cow" was actually good & not for her looks.
"we've been letting fans become too obsessive" who's fucking "we've"?? It's their marketing and refusal to set proper boundaries with fans to further milk their obsession. Not saying it's not the fans fault, but there is clear monetary gain to attract crazy fans, and acting like celebrities don't contribute to that is honestly fucking funny. Doja cat is only pulling this shit because of her goddamn bf b/c her fans started bringing the shit he's done to light. Honestly she's acting like a rich brat who throws a shit fit everytime people don't agree that they are the best artist wver
@@pixie9499 maybe she wouldn’t be verbally abusing fans if they y give them selves a name like kittens. Thats saying you own the artist in an obsessive way. Look at tom jones in the sixties. Women would throw underwear at him. No one called themselves jonesies. Weve become too obsessed with artists to the point that we e give them room to think. Or room to be human.
@@softgalmiu then that needs a video of its own. And it still doesnt cover why people are obsessed to the point of not having there own life or in the case of swifties using a concert as a reason to live.
Lots of artists go through different eras-see how the likes of The Weeknd and Taylor Swift have evolved and changed their sound over time. Yet they have still retained huge fan bases. Hell, The Weeknd character is retiring after his next album, yet the majority of his fan base are excited/here for the change. I feel like no one would have an issue with Doja’s new album/devil era if she hadn’t belittled her audience and showed no respect to her fans in the process. Her behaviour is so entitled and preachy, she’s driving people away then using her loss of audience to say ‘oh they don’t like rap/they don’t like my new sound’ when the reality is it’s her behaviour. And to be frank, she’s not as deep as she thinks she is. (I also think the ‘balut’ post might have been a joke/meme….but no one can tell these days with her)
I think it's also ironic she claims her fans don't see her as a real person, when she talks about her fans as if they're all one giant mass of blurry faces that don't think or speak if it's not about her. Like the people you're shitting on and treating like little minions are all real people with lives outside of listening to a few of your songs throughout the day. You can't criticize people for the same shit you do??
nobody said she had to like her fans but respect should be given because,you know,it's polite.But she's proven she doesn't care about anyone but herself.
I think it would be very beneficial for her to seek out therapy instead of attacking random people and fans. Being in the public eye comes at a cost and I hope she finds a proper way to deal with it
Tbh I don't know much about her or her music, but I found her older album Hot Pink recently and, just like you, I've been listening to it a lot because it's fun, easy, and lighthearted. I'm going through a tough time and honestly it's been really helpful to just tune out to and enjoy. It's a shame hearing her disregard it now. Her shift seems to tie in to a deeper belief that things must be dark or deep to be perceived as meaningful/important. (Also, love the dress!)
Shes one of those famous people that i feel just showed up out of nowhere. I still have literally never heard a song by her before, and fr awhile didnt even know she was a music artist.
I'm so glad you spoke on this. Basically Doja deserves no praise at this time in life. She's come this far just to be a complete prick to the ones that bought her albums, hence making her relevant. It's gross and childish. She's dazed and confused, and is only feeding off negativity, creating more negativity.
Great video today. Also you look so beautiful, Giulia! Pink looks really good on you. Sending you lots of healing energy, girl❤ I’m proud of you for facing each new day.
I LOVE YOUR OUTFIT SO MUCH TODAY!! 🎀💞🌸 I know it’s not your usual vibe, but I just wanted to say it looks really good on you, might be my favorite look of yours yet!
Ah yes, I remember all this. I hate how she's disrespecting fans, I understand fans don't have to be owed anything by their artists but she's being meanspirited and tries to be like, "It's my alter ego Scarlett you guys!" I mean, the whole Satanic Panic thing she's doing is totally edgy teenage vibes, if she wants to do what she wants fine but also making fans feel stupid and it hurts so bad she's losing fans.
Good for her. I, for one, am a bit of a creative person and I'm also rather private about it and when I show others and the response is overwhelmingly positive, it can sometimes backfire. Like it will make me question everything. Because in my heart of hearts, I think what I've done is maybe the start of something good, or has potential--and others who decide they "love" a certain way you write or the type of stuff you make sort of hold you back with their expectations, even if they don't mean to. So yeah whatevs I like some of her music I don't know her She seems like she might be likeable in small doses But that she's probably one of those "everything is always about me" kind of people (like many people in the industry)
do you also date predators and develop a martyr complex bc your fans got bored of your repetitive, tedious music AND hated your pet predator, for you to then turn around & constantly bully your own fan base bc you feel entitled?? too many ppl are outing themselves as absolute drones. you say youre "creative" but you also seem to have the backwards idea that somehow, an artists work is totally separate from them as a human. its truly wild.
Doja from what I understand started making music in and around edgy RU-vid, maybe like 2013-2017 ish. She's definitely made stuff before but from what I've heard that's where it started. She initially started out pretty unconventional, a different character, a meme, etc and loved that sorta internet-core thing. She then got her hits around 2019-2020, became more worldwide and radio famous, was probably under stricter mgmt for publicity and public image reasons also hence why she kinda refused a one point to acknowledge her much earlier work while she was in that era of her life. I think this is her lashing out in a way that probably would've been more accepted on reddit, earlier days of RU-vid, earlier online forums etc, places she's come from and maybe can't accept and won't accept that people move on from that stuff. Those who were in that earlier era with her have probably moved on with their lives, aren't as internet focused anymore as most of us aren't. I certainly know I don't identify with who I was when I was younger and what I was liking on sites etc, we move on, we grow up, she very clearly hasn't. She's making a stupid attempt at being edgy in a way everyone knew how to back then as it's what garnered attention, through image. But, her music isn't reflecting it at all ironically, which is what I have an issue with but I don't truly care at the end of the day. If she went onto a more heavy sounding project to match her image or even went back to that edgy internet core stuff, it would make more sense, suddenly image and such wouldn't have to have such a stark difference. But really, at the end of the day, I think she knows with how fast the internet moves now, she's washing up a little and is just trying to stay relevant somehow, just in a very pathetic and childish way ://
Im a new doja fan honestly. her new songs actually have such a big message and it comes through pretty easy.. being famous is shit and eveyrone criticized you for every little thing that they do. You have to walk on eggshells because one fan always takes things wrong. Celeberties lives are held hostage. That’s the message I got. She’s playing on everyone calling her the devil. I always used to see her get criticized for everything and obviously now she’s at her breaking point.
What I hate about this cringy doja cat era is that the majority of people are annoyed by her attitude towards others and she pretends that we're upsed because of the devil shit. Of course a lot of people were upset by that, but most of the constructive criticism is totally valid and completely being ignored. She's acting like a rebellious 12 year old
the fans who would've enjoyed this era have mostly left, me included lol. i don't mind when artists take a change in direction, i listen to a lot of music and i'll get it a fair chance. but when you attack your fans because they raised critique (and lied making it seem like it's about parasocial relationships or complaining about her style) that's a problem. like why lie? idc if you shave your head and go for a gimmicky halloween creepy look. if you switch to all rap. but i don't take disrespect so yeah i don't even bother. and from what i've heard with paint the town red, it sounds just like her older music too. also, i'm really curious with what new fans she is gaining. she might over time. but i don't think there will be any loyalty. so far the only people i see rooting for her are the "anti- woke" movement because she's shifted gears to that. but that can only last so long. she's going to have to completely shift to that essentially or wait for people to forget. but it also depends how forgiving people are to women in media, which isn't much (esp woc). this is all to see years down the line. i feel like she's just very insecure about the pop/tiktok brand she gained, not realizing that was making her one of the biggest stars. which she might not want, so we will see
I agree the confusion is because her message isn’t clear. I think back to my 27 year old self and I was a contrarian and proud to be so. I was also strong in my convictions while thinking I was “open minded”. She’s going through what most do and that’s figure herself and life out. These thoughts change all the time. If she wants to alienate here fans while doing so the only one who gets hurt is her. I think similarly about Azalea Banks. She has alienated a lot of people by simply being contradictory in her actions and words. I do wonder about the pressures these women go through. I can’t possibly know it but I can recognize the signs of trauma. Great conversation!
i loved doja cats old songs. they were vibey and fun. when artists try to shove a specific meaning behind a song, rather than allowing fans to interpret them the way they see, shes going to lose her following. It's like, i enjoy the song paint the town red, just because it is catchy, which is what made me listen to her in the first place. its like lil nas x's montero, like the song is amazing, there is no need to continue to shove the meaning behind it. some people will be receptive to what the artist means, but not everyone will. i watched the paint the town red video, it was weird, i wasn't a fan, but i can disconnect the video from the song. and thankfully i can disconnect her alienation from the song too. like i dont like what she's doing in particular, but i enjoy the music, and some people are that way, theres no reason to continue to spew that rhetoric. many people just enjoy the music, so let them. thats all i gotta say to that one. i think its better to just allow some people to think how they think and those who are super fans to actually get the meaning. thats how you make it big in the music industry. you need thick skin, not intelligence and essentially calling fans peons for not understanding you.