Personally I'm curious how Dan Harmons been through this. He has one of the best apologies from the me too era. He gave it privately then asked permission to make it public. So it's sad to hear female wrighters don't last on his show because he genuinely seems like he's trying. I want to know is he part of running off the young women in the writing room or fighting Roylend on it. He said that he's hiring them and gave that apology because he wants to be part of the feminist movement. So how's that going...
Absolutely zero victims make stuff up, if they make it up they aren’t a victim. I’m a hardliner on this because I have been falsely accused, and wrongfully accused a few times. The false accusation was when a girl in high school straight up changed the notes we’d been passing back and forth to remove her flirting and make it look like I was harassing her. The only reason I didn’t get expelled was because I had some unaltered notes on me when I was dragged into the principals office with the police. The wrongful accusations come from instances where someone tangentially felt hurt by my actions and claimed that I was intending the harm. Cross paths while on my nightly walk, she thinks I’m stalking her and calls the police despite literally going in opposite directions on opposite sides of the street. I want to learn to belly dance, but some of the girls think I’m there to leer. None of these women were victims, though I can understand the pain on the wrongful accusations. Their trauma came up, I didn’t make it come up. The thing is, I now have my own trauma from those experiences, I am the victim of the false accusation. When people say I can’t talk about it, because if I do I’m hurting the real victims - they are telling me that what happened to me doesn’t matter. That because I’m a guy, my trauma is less important. We need to treat false accusations like what they are - social abuse.
Yeah. You can trust the victim to not lie about accusations such as that. But I also think innocent until proven guilty should be practical not guilty until proven innocent. Allegations of this caliber need to be heard on both sides instead of just on face value. But in Rooland's case, he was not found guilty, but he is not innocent either.
@@sit-insforsithis1568 the issue is that each individual's perception is their reality and memory is absolute garbage especially in traumatic situations. Each situation is nuanced and has some embellishment but we shouldn't discount their experience because of it. Also, one of the biggest issues I've had with my own trauma and PTSD was questioning whether or not I was making stuff up to a point where it caused a lot of mental turmoil for me. Only now I've had extensive therapy I can accept that the effects my memories had on my psyche were real regardless of whether they were 100% factual. All cases have nuance and misremembering on both parties sides but that doesn't discount the real effects it has on the people involved. Third parties will never know the full truth and it's up to the individual what opinions you form. It's obviously different when someone has malicious intent with allegations but it's not often that people will come forward to do so, it can seem like it at times because those are usually more notable when it happens. It's really up to you and your worldview in situations like these though.
Megan Ganz has had a great career since leaving Community. She has written on It's Always Sunny and Mythic Quest, and seems to have formed a much healthier working relationship with Rob McElhenney than she did with Harmon. Listen to the It's Always sunny podcast to get some more insight into that relationship. As for Roiland, I don't see him bouncing back as fast as he thinks. I heard he broke a morality clause in his contract with Disney. That seems like something the House of Mouse would not be so quick to forgive. And the fact that Adult Swim is willing to move forward with Rick and Morty without him says a lot, and I think it would be a bad look for them to turn around and welcome him back. AS has been slowly trying to push themselves out of the "Boys Club" head space that they had been trapped in since the 90s, bring Roiland back would look like they were backsliding.
Honestly... in a weird way, I think this is the best thing that could have happened to R&M. I think most people are of the belief that it's gone downhill since.. well, almost the entire time, arguably? Some more than others, but it was getting stale, and the voices are *definitely* part of that. I think Roiland getting replaced could breathe some new life into the show. Now obviously, it's important to do the right thing even if it _does_ destroy every show I like lol; after all TV isn't all that important in the grand scheme of things, especially when compared to another person's safety. I just meant that it's a nice silver lining. Also, I think you're probably right. Judging by the way the companies dropped him so immediately, it seems like they were looking for a reason to fire him, as if there were other incidents/behaviour that made them want to get rid of him way before this, and they were looking for the first opportunity to do so. Decent, kind people that other people enjoy working with don't get _tend_ to get thrown under the bus as suddenly as Roiland did. Especially because (as we all know) the entertainment industry is willing to look past some truly heinous things in the name of the almighty cash money, but they were not in this instance. So I think it's telling when they're so willing to put down their cash cow.. ya know? I'd bet there's some pretty damning evidence that we don't have access to.
Good or her, i am glad she got a more thankful environment. And roiland is big enough as is rick and morty , that pople remember. And i know diney can b shady,, but also they wont take him up till the controversaty isnt mentioned, an i dont think he will stopped up brought up soon, given how big rick and morty is, , there is nop channce he isnt staying that infamous in public. I know disney cares more about publicity than actual morals, but why he probably i will end up in fringe places. Or he has a redemption arc that opublicly is bought enough. Like anger management probably did work ecause it oplayed into that and like public, oh he takes that serious. which is honestly brilliant. But also how would roiland do that? As it is h isnt going anywhere, he is too infamous and big to be forgotten soon.
Also yeah, council of geeks channel has a video, ok more on how the cooperate decisions airly well, and how that likely plays out. But th ezra miller one is touching especially when disney is willing to overlook things and when not. They do not ii the public remembers and it still in talk, and and boy, is roiland really way too , he looks very radioactive at that opoint in publicity, which diney actually cares about.
People who only focus on the domestic abuse court case seem to go out of their way to ignore all those creepy texts he send to minors and that entire rant about him liking minors that look "mature" ennough that he gave during a podcast that can be found on youtube. I have a feeling this is not gonna be the end of Roiland's legal troubles especially if he doesnt get some rehab to get his alcolism under control.
Every guy from the past you like did it with someone under 18. Most guys in politics, entertainment, religion, music, and RU-vid have as well. Nearly every married couple has cheated. Most couples past a year have cheated. The US is ONLY about sex, hedonism, a 24/7 need for entertainment even in things that are serious, and constant validation.
Skip navigation Search Avatar image 14:40 / 17:36 We Need to Talk About Justin Roiland (Again!) (Solar Opposites/Rick and Morty Video Essay) Kitty Monk 67.2K subscribers Join Subscribe 610 Share Download Thanks Clip 6,277 views Premiered 2 hours ago No, I'm not crying over a Morty! That's pathetic! Once again, be civl! You are entitled to your own opinion, but that does not mean you get to harass people!!! Special Thanks to: Avatars by: @HeartFullOfForest Thanks to my Patrons: Heart Full of Forest Avatars Christopher Rosa VIP Patron Josh Girmay VIP Patron Jayt VIP Patron Lucille Shames VIP Patron Cody B Baker VIP Patron Andy Crew Gaming All-Access Patron Laura Gilmore All-Access Patron DamaxCornlad All-Access Patron Atopodent Official Patron RaptorTim Official Patron Calin Strimbu Official Patron Julia Parker Official Patron Here's the link to: Patreon: www.patreon.com/KittyMonk Instagram: instagram.com/kitty_monk_... 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He gave it privately then asked permission to make it public. So it's sad to hear female wrighters don't last on his show because he genuinely seems like he's trying. I want to know is he part of running off the young women in the writing room or fighting Roylend on it. He said that he's hiring them and gave that apology because he wants to be part of the feminist movement. So how's that going... 36 Reply 5 replies spitnik11 spitnik11 1 hour ago I personally can't trust him anymore. He's failed to truly dispute any of the accusations and only said something after the case was thrown out. I truly respect him as a creative and love his works. I was devastated when he resigned from squanch games. His future titles would have been a treasure trove of guest comedians and improve. But these aren't lightly made claims, men in power in the industry abuse it, we see it time and time again. It's not really if but when. 12 Reply jasperjazzie jasperjazzie 1 hour ago (edited) justin roiland could literally shoot someone, still have the smoking gun in his hand, and his rabid fans would be like "but there's no proof!!" and then say the dead guy with the bullet wound was probably just making stuff up to try and "cancel" him 22 Reply 2 replies Lowell Lucas Jr. Lowell Lucas Jr. 56 minutes ago Justin still hard to work with and has been known to be childish. Even if the case was thrown out, there's still a trail of bad behavior he's gonna have to own up too. 6 Reply James Olszewski James Olszewski 19 minutes ago If we are to support creators like these I believe it is in their best interest to understand that we have the power. If they want views, clicks, and funding they need to behave professionally and learn that slip ups can and will lose them opportunities at keeping those. 4 Reply Josh Josh 1 hour ago The decision of whether or not we should support certain people despite being difficult to work with, as well as the argument of separating the art from the artist, fall into a case by case basis in my opinion. It depends on the people involved, and what they did. 8 Reply Lone Ronin Lone Ronin 38 minutes ago This isn't relevant to the discussion, but when you mentioned how many voice actors utilize their own high-quality equipment in setups that they put together themselves, I can testify that this is true. I at one time pursued a career as a voice actor (for audiobooks specifically) but I just couldn't afford a quality set-up or high-quality recording equipment. On top of that, recording a demo tape of your work literally cost a thousand dollars, or at least that's what the group I worked and took lessons with were charging. For the record, the lessons were pretty expensive in their own right as well. I ended up not pursuing voice acting by that point due to the expenses involved. Sorry for this random diatribe, but I guess I just needed to vent publicly in case someone who is looking to pursue a career as a voice actor sees this comment. I hope it provides someone out there some insight into what kind of price tag comes with such a career choice. 4 Reply KJ Productions KJ Productions 1 hour ago Kitty, I just want to say I admire you staying true to your opinion to a degree. Also, don't let haters or critics get to u. U r very cool and we love you very much 4 Reply Robby Robby 2 hours ago Even if he had the accusations dropped, I think Rick and Morty will be fine since he hardly worked on it. 8 Reply Sam Houston Sam Houston 2 hours ago Justin sure needs to do some soul searching 4
Sorry, one question: Did he sleep with (have adult relations) any of those girls? Because, if not, then while creepy, we don't take away people's careers for that. Nor should we. The correct thing to do? Ask him to cut it out. Not destroy people utterly because you don't like every word they speak.
@@dalepower632 buddy some things, like sending explicit messages to minors when you’re 30+… are irredeemable. Child predators and sexual ab*sers should not be given second chances of being respected in their careers. Sending s*xual messages to a child but not physically assaulting them still makes them a predator. The intent is there. Not saying Roiland is for sure guilty of this, just in general.
This isn't relevant to the discussion, but when you mentioned how many voice actors utilize their own high-quality equipment in setups that they put together themselves, I can testify that this is true. I at one time pursued a career as a voice actor (for audiobooks specifically) but I just couldn't afford a quality set-up or high-quality recording equipment. On top of that, recording a demo tape of your work literally cost a thousand dollars, or at least that's what the group I worked and took lessons with were charging. For the record, the lessons were pretty expensive in their own right as well. I ended up not pursuing voice acting by that point due to the expenses involved. Sorry for this random diatribe, but I guess I just needed to vent publicly in case someone who is looking to pursue a career as a voice actor sees this comment. I hope it provides someone out there some insight into what kind of price tag comes with such a career choice.
If it helps, this is why they killed off Maude Flanders. Her voice actress couldn’t afford to keep commuting to LA and wanted to either have them raise her paycheck to cover the travel expenses or let her record at home. They wouldn’t let her. Of course she’s back on the show and I think she does record from home, even before the shutdown, but this was only after Maude was gone and the damage was done.
@@KittyMonk Thanks so much for taking the time and effort to respond to my comment :D I've only recently found your channel but I love your content and thank you for doing what you do. I hope that you're doing well in all aspects of life :)
Thank you for speaking out about this. Some people find it so hard to grasp that just because a case has been dismissed due to lack of evidence doesn't mean that the accused is not guilty. So many abusers end up walking free.
Having a case dismissed on the grounds of not having "enough evidence" is not the same as being innocent, y'all. EDIT: if you Roiland stans don't have anything to say besides "innocent until proven guilty," then dont leave the response. Y'all are clogging my notifications and its not gonna change shit or make you look cool and special.
Personally if you're difficult to work with eventually you'll stopped being hired regardless of your results. Work like this takes a team it's not just one person. I think guys like Dan and justin need to check their egos before they find themselves out of work.
You'd be surprised how how many people are willing to put up with bad habits. I've seen the "asshole who gets results", as well as the "person who's bad at their job, but is a really nice person" both stay hired on for longer than they should have been
@@SpiralDownward oh I've seen that too. Unfortunately the asshole tends to push their luck one too many times and gets canned. It may notnhappen soon but eventually it does happen
No. Not true for any industry, but especially not true for jobs that require a very specific and hard to find skill set. Also, sociopaths rise to the top partly because they have no problems harassing people into working harder while silencing critics so upper-management often intentionally finds and keeps them. Getting hired is about exploiting people for profit. And in many if not most jobs toxic employees are an intentional tool to increase production.
@@AngryPug76 must be unique in my industry since most asshole hot shots tend to get canned (not quickly mind you) may not be immediate but it tends to happen eventually
It depends on what you mean by "hard to work with" as many of the great directors like Stanley Kubrick for example are perfectionists in there work and will do what it takes to achieve some scenes in the shining had to be filmed over 100 times to get it to his standards and they practically tortured Shelley Duvall on set by treating her poorly, being mean and often ignoring her in order to push her into the proper mental state that Stanley wanted to get right result. What justin Rolland did is not being difficult to work with he's being an ass because he knows he can get away with it.
I'm livid about Roiland getting no real consequences. As someone who's been on the receiving end of harassment, it feels like an absolute screw up to let someone this well-known go free after such allegations are revealed. As improper as it may be, I think he should've been brought to trial anyway, lack of evidence be damned.
you are totally insane! "lack of evidence be damned"?! People like you are exactly why more and more people are starting to think women are lying when they make these claims. And looking at your bullshit comment, I'm starting to understand why. You are so far outside of what is considered "a normal person", you don't even realize how crazy you sound - you're a straight-up weirdo. Taking that into account how obviously crazy you are, I'm willing to bet nobody harassed you - you were probably just being a weirdo, and you didn't like the response.
True he was a toddler and the only reason he never got fired was because he voices half of the Rick and morty cast. And Justin knew that which is why he doesn’t try at work
@@Honeybaggsss yeah, but he wasn’t writing the show anymore. So he wasn’t the one writing in these characters that’d be voiced by him. I think that may have been a creative decision on the writers parts. But I also wouldn’t be surprised if that was an agreement reached after he was removed from the writing process that he’d voice most of the cast. Or since he was already doing that prior to him no longer being a writer the show runners could have thought fans would receive the news negatively that he wouldn’t voice a majority of the roles back then.
The decision of whether or not we should support certain people despite being difficult to work with, as well as the argument of separating the art from the artist, fall into a case by case basis in my opinion. It depends on the people involved, and what they did.
It also depends on what their role is and whether they’re still alive. A lot of projects like TV shows have multiple people who are all deeply involved. An actor can be a terrible person while the lead writer might be fine or vice versa. And most of the issues with supporting someone bad go away if the person has died, since they don’t benefit from increased fame or sales anymore.
LMAO by definition "separating the art from the artist" isn't a "case by case" stance you do or you dont if you "take it by a case by case basis" then you do not separate the art from the artist
@@imalittletoxicjustalittleDepends on the situation. I can separate the art from the artist if the value of what they made outweighs their crime. For instance, two film makers make their own respective movies. Both create a movie that are masterpieces in their own right. However, they have their dirty laundry aired out in public after the movies are already celebrated hits. Director 1 is guilty of multiple assaults and murders, and I can't separate his work because of how terrible his actions are. Director 2 is guilty of getting into a loud argument where no physical harm was done. He may be a jerk, but his crime is so miniscule that there's no reason I can't look past his actions.
Roiland was scheduled for a pre-trial hearing, not a trial. That’s when a Judge gets an update on a case from the attorneys. At the hearing a trial date could have been scheduled, but it is not the trial itself. I also assume that Roiland’s lawyer strongly encouraged him to not say anything publicly about what happened. Defense attorneys pretty much universally don’t want their clients to shoot off statements in public regardless of their guilt or innocence. Which is why the statement he made doesn’t elaborate on his side of the incident. Harmon could talk about his side of things and apologize because he wasn’t being prosecuted. Since the accuser never came forward publicly and since a public trial never happened, I don’t think there’s any way for us to know what happened. I agree that Adult Swim is unlikely to hire Roiland back. They have plenty of other reasons to fire him, and even if it was only because of this one case, an employer doesn’t have to operate under a proof beyond a reasonable doubt standard. Plenty of employers will fire people just for getting arrested, regardless of the outcome of a case later on. Public opinion and employment consequences are separate from legal guilt. There are plenty of factually guilty people who are found not guilty or see charges dismissed, and there are plenty of people who are factually innocent (or are guilty of a lesser crime than the more serious thing they were charged with) but are still convicted in court.
It's kind of sad that there are no legal protections against being fired for the mere fact that you were accused of an out-of-work crime over in the US.
@@Max_G4 I mean you can generally be fired in America because your boss just randomly decides they don’t like you, assuming you aren’t part of a union or anything.
There even being a statute of limitations on things like s*xual ass**lt / r*pe/ gr**ming is vile and needs to be changed yesterday. Anyone found to be guilty, no matter how long ago the offense, should never be allowed to see the light of day again.
Justin's still hard to work with and has been known to be childish. Even if the case was thrown out, there's still a trail of bad behavior he's gonna have to own up too.
also like, I don't like how most people think a case being dismissed means he is innocent. that's how most of these cases end - it's also wear people get the stats about rpe victims 'lying'. abuse is not easy to prove legally.
@@xduwu4257Yeah, it's unfortunate how little work is done in a lot of these cases too. A lot of details go unreported or undocumented, and said details can become incredibly obscured during an already lackluster investigation if they aren't documented *_very thoroughly._* And DNA evidence getting lost in evidence lockers, evidence just flat out going missing, it's all a mess.
@@liquidrufusTalking about threesomes in the workplace ain't "...unique." God that ellipsis, you're having to reach *_real_* hard to defend this guy XD
@@JG_Wentworth Defend? Nah he seems like a shitty artist who uses his fame to be an asshole. Also while not proven true, the shady way he talked about minors in podcasts lends plenty of credibility to the dms. I just have principles and give a fuck about evidence being ya know....real?
I’m glad more people are willing to call out problematic behavior as while there are many people who can be great at their job, they are not always people who will help a workplace grow and in many cases seek to hold it back because they themselves are wanting glory. Not everyone is wanting to be better then the next person, they want to make sure people have a place they can go to be helped. The least important factor is media and art where this needs to be tolerated.
I have half followed this story so far. all I know is he got accused of bad stuff, worked with Dan Harmon who was found out of doing bad stuff similar to what Justin's was accused of, got dropped by everyone, then proved it in court that he didn't actually do the bad stuff. And now is suing everyone who dropped him before the court case even began.
It wasn't proved in court, the case was just dismissed due to "lack of evidence." But the evidence was publicly leaked i think? so it's uh. Definitely not that he was able to prove any kind of innocence.
@@LivingBreathingPoet I believe to be innocent of bad stuff you have to have not done it. It would have been the other party to bring the burden of proof in which Justin would then have to prove why not. If there is a lack of evidence, then doesn't that mean it's an issue of someone not doing something then the proof being the lack of evidence of them doing something bad?
It annoys me how rick and Morty fans want Justin back even though the stuff about him being really creepy towards minors online wasn’t proven to be false
Being creepy isn’t the same as doing something illegal. He’s said himself a hundred times he did it as satire, to be intentionally creepy. A fact that is often skimmed over.
Just like Dan Hartman did with the baby it's all satire im not part of cancel culture if he did something he would have been arrested for it and prosecuted if you don't like the show because he's on it don't watch it the same can be said the other way if you don't like that he's not in it anymore stop watching it
@@Jasonitodd plenty of nazis have said their jokes were “satire” or “just a joke” when it turned no they were serious and a actual nazis claiming something is “satire” is not a instant out or do you believe everyone is honest?
It's innocent until proven guilty, not guilt until proven innocent. Jesus, how so many people can blindly demonize and accost people on accusations alone is scary.
@Cobracatcommander Apologize? For what? The guy barely contributed on R&M. I think it was good to give him the boot since he was a nightmare to work with.
I can't believe his trial would've be scheduled a day before my 24th birthday... This is the 2nd or 3rd time a celebrity got caught or accused near or around my birthday, first (if I remember correctly) it was Jewario and the rest of Channel Awesome and then it was EDP445. Why is it around my birthday stuff like this happen?
Just a minor correction. I’m a attorney, I’m Florida so not the state where this happened, but I’m pretty sure the state can never refill these charges due to double jeopardy. A case doesn’t have to go to a jury verdict for double jeopardy to apply. Otherwise a prosecutor could dismiss a case during a trial if it were going poorly then defile. Usually these kinds of cases end up being dismissed because the victim won’t come testify. Once they are dismissed, they are over.
Good for you Kitty for not taking down your first video about Justin Roiland. No, hate from me, nothing but respect for standing behind what you said. More people should stand up for what they believe in. Regardless of the push back you might get. For not giving into society.
Jerry being named after a dog, goes right along with who Jerry is as a character. I could imagine a joke where he finds out he was named after his grandpa's dog. He just looks down "oh...." with a frown of defeat. EDIT: Jerry and the butter-bot swap existential crises story, become friends. Then we could have smaller C-stories of their adventures.
@@lostmediadetective6603 day 1037: my plight has gone ignored for so long that even the jeers of the callous onlooker are attention enough to keep afloat in these trying times drifting the internet without an identity to call my own. What terrible sin hath I committed, to bear the yoke of cruel fate for not but the entertainment of cold, indifferent gods who live for not but to remind me of my place in the cosmos. Also thanks it's pretty funny how I got this username, it's actually what I filled into a google+ account for my first and last name.
Innocent until proven guilty needs to be preserved and maintained, unless you're a fan of witch hunts. If you refuse to stand for other's rights, one day, someone will come for yours.
I’m not a supporter of people being fired for merely being accused or before getting through their trial, but this dude very well may be guilty. He doesn’t sound of the best kind of person. Definitely stand by you not removing your last video about him, or apologizing for that matter. Your opinions are yours to share, or not by your own standards. Good on you.
Quite a few states in the US don't have any laws for firing employees. I could be fired tomorrow because my boss is in a bad mood and the best I can do about it is try to get unemployment. I think we need more laws surrounding the work environment. Especially the entertainment industry.
@@Memer88175 You're not quite correct, actually. If you're fired for absolutely *_no_* justifiable reason, without any fireable offense to speak of and, most importantly, have a paper trail to fall back to that shows you've been a functional employee, you can take legal action against your boss for wrongfully firing you. This would be more applicable in cases where you've done something that would *_irritate_* the boss, like enacting your constitutional and rights such as talking about wages or *_accepting tips_* (the FLSA does not prohibit *_any_* employee from accepting tips, that's federal, even on a State law level you *_cannot_* have your tips taken as they are your property and your employer has *_no_* right to them), but would also apply to situations where you've been fired for absolutely no justifiable or logical reason whatsoever. Even if you've committed a fireable offense in the past, it's still possible to provide a reasonable and lawful argument against an unfair firing. Most employers don't want you to know your rights. Most will do anything to *_keep you_* from knowing your rights, what few you actually have. It's still incredibly stacked in their favor, but they'll do *_anything_* they can to break what few laws keep them in line just to make an extra few bucks.
yeah, just like kitty monk i also theorized that adult swim was trying to get rid of roiland for a while, and were just looking for an excuse to do it without receiving public backlash
So while I'm highly doubtful of Justin's innocent there is a few things I'd like to say simply because I feel the video is heavily biased. That's not necessarily a bad thing. But when dealing with serious accusations that can destroy a man's life and reputation I think its important we stay as impartial and objective in our view as possible. 1) The reason the Us works on 'reasonable doubt" is because the presumption of innocence. Basically everyone who is accused is protected by the notion they are innocent until PROVEN guilty without a reasonable doubt. This is to protect people from being falsely imprisoned and jailed for crimes they did not commit. While its not perfect and cases slip through the net...I think its a very good thing that people are presumed innocent and the state has 100% of the responsibility to prove someone is guilty. Justin never has to lift a finger to prove his innocence, because he's already innocent until the state can prove otherwise. So if there lacked sufficiant evidence against him, its not a "technicality" he's innocent. It's the literal corner stone of justice. That any man or woman who is accused is innocent, not technically innocent, just flat innocent until the state proves otherwise. If the state lacks evidence to even take something to trial, than those accusations hold very little actual merit. 2) All of the other wrong doings, including being a jerk, inconsiderate, or creepy mean nothing. They don't serve as evidence he's a criminal as they hold no relevance to the accusation of abuse. And should be taken as separate issues. You can not like the guy, I never did. Nor did I like rick and morty I found it super annoying and its fans cringe. But that's not enough to say a man deserves his life ruined. Most of the claims with any real evidence is him being a bit of a creep, and that's it. The accusations about him being a jerk, how he acts at his work etc doesn't come with any supporting evidence. So its literally just taking people's word about someone whos already been painted as an abuser. We have no way of really verifying this. It's kinda just character attacks without substance. 3) While I think its important we listen to people who come out with claims of abuse, SA, r*pe , and so forth, I also think its important we hold some level of skepticism. That we treat a person like the law does, as if they're innocent until otherwise proven guilty. If we don't have all the evidence, if we haven't seen all the cards at play, we should reserve judgement, not pick a side, and avoid running with things that could destroy a person. Especially if those things lack the evidence to support them in any meaningful way. You can support the victim, but also not go after the accused until they're proven to be guilty. Its not a confliction to show compassion, while also remaining impartial and objective about the claims. I know all of our instincts is to leap to the alleged victim's defense, and attack the "monster" who hurt them, but that often leads to innocent people be harmed. A prime example recently is how people jumped on the claims of Kwite, only to be proven wrong without any reasonable doubt. Had people remained objective, he wouldn't have had to deal with doxing, and harassment over something he did not do. So while I am very critical of Justin, I also feel its only fair that I point out the flaws in going after him when there's no evidence to really support the accusations against him. I'm not sure how he'd go about proving a negative of not doing something either. So if you're expecting the man to prove he didn't do something, you're already too biased for my taste. The state and his accuser failed to provide evidence of his guilt. That makes him quite literally innocent, not on a technicality. But on merit. The state failed to meet the burden to even take him to trial. That's how little evidence there was, that they decided they can't even try to try the case. Which should really make everyone re-consider his guilt. Because even Amber heard provided evidence. We know it was all false and deception now, but at the time she DID provide evidence. Its why her story was so believable.
"Art vs artist" may not have a right conclusion, but it also doesn't have a wrong conclusion. Yes, this is redundant, but it's important to recognize that stances opposing your own are still valid. (The reasoning behind those stances may or may not be shaky, though.) Personally, I'm for separating the art from the artist - doubly so when the piece happened to be a group effort, - but there are so many ways to view it that any conclusion can have merit. I would encourage even the most passionate to treat each other humanely.
7:56 at least Seth MacFarlane is a comedic genius when it comes to BOTH Shows like Family Guy and American Dad and he voices a lot of the characters from Family Guy to American Dad when he voices both Stan and Roger and he delivered the Best Sci-fyi series ever made known as The Orville seriously if you haven't watched The Orville you should it's one of the best Sci-fyi shows that some of the recent Star Trek Shows failed in comparison
This reminds me of the stuff that happened with anime voice actor Vic Mignogna, he was accused of so much yet nothing could be proven, heck some of the accusations could be proven false with video proof. Yet he was fired. When the people he worked with with were accused of stuff it was swept under the rug.
I wouldn’t say he didn’t do anything wrong. He clearly has a diva attitude. Not to mention a lot of things he was accused of can be seen as bad nowadays. Ultimately what didn’t help was “supporters.” In regards to RU-vid channels that were pro-Vic. I use to follow them. They often went on rants or dug up things on other voice actors and people associated. I still recall Rekaida law getting drunk calling Monica Rial’s man a cuck. Even if Vic was innocent a lot of harassment and stupid shit was spread in Vic’s name. I was one of maybe few people hoping for peace. But more often than not. People were being vulgar to the accusers. I don’t follow the channels I use to. Realized it was seriously toxic to support channels like those. Especially when the last of us part 2 came out. One of them came back after being depressed and unable to do anything. Just to bitch about the game having lesbians in it…
@@86LukeM since when is being a diva a crime? He is also not responsible for anything anyone does to defend when vic told people to leave them alone. He didn;t ask for them to do that stuff did he? On another note why wasn't anything done to Christopher Sabat when more then one voice actress accused him of having a casting couch and worse? Oh I Know he owns the damn recording studio
@@86LukeM id also like to point out when asking for the proof of what vic did everyone against him would give me the run around and tell me to read the court documents and when i asked what page/s they would simply ignore me. The worse i got was a joke vic made about a wonder woman cosplayer who was young. lies got so bad the woman who won a jacket of his years ago had to made a video saying what people were saying was wrong. How about that dance one of the voice actresses said he forced on they when at a panel together? she mentioned the con and the year as well. Luck would have it that the con kept very detailed records of what guests and what year it was.and the only year they were there together was the year she mentioned. A video that was over a decade old showed that panel and she was the one who did the hand motion for him to get up and dance. Funny how there is nothing against him if he really is guilty.
@@TheAlmostOtaku being a diva isn’t a crime. But the way he carried himself as one made him a prime target. Not to mention often a lot of things he did like hugs and kissing someone on the cheek. In todays world that’s somehow wrong. Like so many other things. The other stuff related to other VA’s is the equivalent of finding anything to get rid of Vic. Which is why I look at such things as mirroring each other. Who knows if Christopher Sabat was doing a casting couch type of deal. Even well established VA’s have a hard time finding work. I know Schemmel and other VA’s poked fun of Vic in a recording. But that pales in comparison to Ghost Stories. Which the story behind that was who ever came in first, was the person to come up with dialogue. It was a failing anime in Japan, so they could do whatever. As for the RU-vid content creators. Vic endorsed their support. I recall one guy just loooving the opportunity to hangout with Vic. The one that did the most damage was in charge of the gofundme. Which yeah, none of them had to do anything. But Vic still accepted their support. For me I was one asking everyone to make peace. The others were doing stuff like calling Monica Rial’s husband a cuck. Then a guy helping on the funimation side were bashing the guy on livestreams. It’s almost similar to anyone working a regular job. You don’t realize someone is willing to just find a way to get rid of you. Until there’s an opportunity. A few examples I’ve dealt with were my boss pulling me in with two other coworkers. I was really nice and had no problem with the other two. As soon as the boss man asked what’s the problem, I was singled out and thrown under the bus. Out of the three of us, I was the most dependable and was nicest. The one that threw me under the bus, he did it, again. Karma caught up with him and he wrecked a new car texting while driving. In another during the pandemic. There was layoffs to qualify for ppp loans. A few people got let go, under the assumption they were “laid off.” On another my Mom hired a nice contractor to build her and her husband’s dream home. That ppp loan came in and he fired the guy in charge of designing the houses. He hired his wife to replace him and pocketed the money.
@@86LukeM in the age of covid sure but you do realize that him doing that stuff is part of his culture right? I should point out the voice actresses didn't defend vic but did call out the others for their bad behavior as she worked with the closer at the end of Z in the android sag/cell saga. . are you saying vic shouldn't have accepted the money his fans donated to him over who started the gofundme? that seems a bit extrema even if the guy was a lawyer and yeah he did push stuff way too much. I too followed those youtubers as they showed texts, videos and so on to back stuff where the other said said believe women yet didn't when a female voice actress called someone else out. The hypocrisy of it all is absurd.
Kitty, I just want to say I admire you staying true to your opinion to a degree. Also, don't let haters or critics get to u. U r very cool and we love you very much
I don't expect to be at this content ever agian. Content, creators and viewers like this contributes to hate canceling, even if the accused is set free of all charges by the legal system, the public "court" (modern witch burning) will hurt the person.
I'm not surprised the case was thrown out, most of the time any SA/DV charges against men are. What worries me is that all the Rick and Morty dudebros will take this to mean they were false allegations, which is also, sadly, common for men to do.
We cannot know how many accusations are false. We can only know of accusations that are true beyond reasonable doubt, and ones that were proven false. Other ones remain a great unknown, or even unknowable. I guess gathering victimisation rate statistics could bring us closer to the truth
It's just as bad to say that he did it when we don't know though right? Sadly woman always assume men are guilty when shakes evidence comes out. See how that sounds douchey and not helpful?
the worst part is the fact of how hard rick and morty fell off after season 3, they introduced so many concepts that ran counter to the shows entire identity in season 4 and yeah it makes sense now lmao
I personally can't trust him anymore. He's failed to truly dispute any of the accusations and only said something after the case was thrown out. I truly respect him as a creative and love his works. I was devastated when he resigned from squanch games. His future titles would have been a treasure trove of guest comedians and improve. But these aren't lightly made claims, men in power in the industry abuse it, we see it time and time again. It's not really if but when.
Bruh, the prosecution literally dropped the case because there wasn't enough evidence. Innocent until proven guilty. It doesn't take anything to accuse someone of something for political or personal reasons.
@@Clown_the_Clown That involves ignoring the texting to minors, the multiple eye witness statements regarding his awful workplace behavior... Sure theres the chance he was innocent in the trial (but thats also not really decided). Hes at the very least shitty and creepy.
yea i agree that cartoon network prolly just wanted any excuse to fire him and the case was a damn good one since everyone was dunking on him, even ppl who didn’t necessarily believe the allegations but hated rick and morty for one reason or another. as for his guilt/innocence, idk. people say “innocent until proven guilty” but that’s only in the eyes of the law, for me as an individual it’s just “idk until proven innocent or guilty.” i think the case has a high chance of going to civil court and that’s why every statement about it is vague, but if it does then we’ll get more details.
While I can't say I think he's innocent or guilty personally, I will say that in the event of him being innocent, his post doesn't come off as smug at all considering what would have happened to him if the the false accuser won... I also don't think what he said on twitter hurts victims any more than saying "false accusers should be punished". From what I've seen people usually mean in cases where the accusations are proven false completely; like in the cases of Slazo and Hyoujin. Not to say you should have to appologize, really.
Ok first of all, great video. Second of all, OH MY GOD TRACY MORGAN WOULD BE SO FUNNY! Obviously he wouldn't even _try_ to do the voices correctly, he'd just do Tracy Morgan. Some mid-week advice for y'all: _live every week... like it's shark week._
To answer the last question of the video, that depends on the creators and what their actions and work environments are causing. Simply “being hard to work with” is not enough of a reason to not support them and their work, in my opinion. Being hard to work with just means that, hard to work with, and that will vary among person to person. Now, if they are hard to work with because of abuse, then that’s a different story. If the means of supporting a creator and their art requires abusing those around them, then it wouldn’t be ethical to encourage or allow that to happen. It’s all about the context in which these things are happening.
I will also say when it comes to creators who are hard to work with who make great work people usually dismiss their less attractive traits as quirks or parts of their charm you have to get used to, when they like them... The nerf darts and dogs in the office really don't sound like things you'd hate your boss for. Maybe find it a little annoying, but those are usually the things people look back on with fondness after they leave the company. Had we not heard about all of this other stuff, I'm sure they'd be talked about with a hint of bittersweet nastolgia in a documentary about the making of Rick and Morty... Its all relative in this case.
I think you made the right call not taking down your original video; good on you for sticking to your guns on this. It’s absolutely shameful that Roiland is acting like this, but I suppose it’s not surprising considering his pattern of behavior.
Sure they can't prosecute him for this. But it doesn't dismiss other allegations against him. It saddens me that someone who co-created a show I love can do these things.
My problem with cancel culture is that it seemingly only applies when it affects certain demographics. Nick Cannon went on a full blown racist tirade, calling whites (among other things) "evil", "savages", "barbaric", "animals", and "a little less" (than people with more melanin). During his rant he made the mistake of calling black people the "true Hebrews". The medias response to this? To completely ignore everything he said regarding white people and treat the controversy as if it was only him making anti Semitic remarks. Seriously, Google Nick Cannon and read some of the many articles attempting to rehab his image and note how they all completely ignore the absolutely heinous things he said about white people. There's still more animosity in the media for Louis CK than there is for Cannon. I'd have less of a strong stance against cancel culture if there wasn't a blatant double standard on what causes people to get cancelled.
Even if the DM’s were fabricated it doesn’t matter because he’s expressed the same troubling views in audio form. There’s a clip from a podcast he was on floating around somewhere in which, to paraphrase, he basically bashed Chris Hansen and all of the ‘Catch A Predator’ style shows, saying that a 14 year old is basically a fully developed, mature woman, and so it shouldn’t matter and they should be able to give consent, or something to that effect. Implying that he would be ok with having relations with someone of that age were it not for the laws.🤢 So, even if the DM’s turned out to be photoshop they unfortunately wouldn’t be too far off from what his actual feelings are. Still watching the show but won’t be able to see any of the “Roiland Era” episodes without having some thought about this whole scandal pass through my mind at some point from now on.
Is this the right moment to mention how many countries have age of consent that low? Also expressing that opinion is not the same as acting on it in defiance of the law in his country.
Alright you two dumb motherfuckers The 16 age consent in those countries means an 18 year old could form a relationship Not some fucking 40 year old guy And yes you fucking dumbass A fully grown adult saying is 15 year old is sexually atractive is wrong, i cant believe i even have to day that
I still want an answer on if those DMs were legit. I've heard people saying you can fake them. I want some proof to show that they are fake and that it isn't just conjecture.
"Reasonable doubt" is for the jury, for the prosecutor, they are looking for a "preponderance of evidence" which is a much lower standard, basically, is there reason to believe. This is why there is usually a trail before punishment. In this case, the unfounded accusations were enough for greedy commentators to cash in with hit pieces founded solely on accusations just to profit themselves.
Kind of weird that his tweet referred to the allegations of domestic violence as trying to “cancel” him. Seems like a case of trying to minimise what he was accused of to make it sound trivial.
@@RyuKaguya I’d be tempted if it wasn’t the thing people who are actually guilty of something do on a regular basis. Especially when it comes to dementia assault.
I think what Justin was trying to get across had nothing to do with his other bad behaviors, at least for the most part. He was referring to the court case and only that. At the end of the day, whether or not he’s a “good person” and should be held accountable over his other acts is irrelevant to the fact that the main reason he was fired and “cancelled” was because of false or misleading accusations of something that had been going on since 2020. Adult Swim has known about this for quite a while and didn’t have an issue until the court case came up into effect. This wasn’t because they themselves had an issue with him but because they didn’t want to have to deal with the potential backlash once the information was more known by the public, which to a certain extent from a business perspective, I understand. However, by doing this, it not only makes Justin appear worse but Adult Swim and anyone invited with him too. Other than the potential backlash that could come from this information being shared online, it wouldn’t have made much of a difference firing him prior versus now. Regardless, Justin was expressing frustration over this specifically and how it affected his life negatively when it was unnecessary. People were focusing on this predominantly and that was the main problem. However, despite this, I still think he could’ve addressed it more politely than he did, and he may not see himself as a problem at all. But my judgment will remain open until there’s more evidence and reason for me not to give him any benefit of the doubt. Justin, like Dan, is just really flawed but doesn’t mean he’s a terrible person. It takes a lot for me to view someone that way because we all are flawed and have done bad things, just some more than others. If Dan, like any human being, can learn from his mistakes, then so can Justin. It doesn’t excuse their past, but it also doesn’t have to define them either.
You know it does make me feel better that Justin didn’t work a lot after season 3, even tho I love the show too much to ever not watch it. And no you shouldn’t private your video or take it down!
I never paid any attention to "behind the scenes" crap until every third RU-vid video was about Roland. I just like the cartoons and the funny voices, as a consumer I shouldn't have to worry about backstage drama. Having said that: if there's not enough evidence for the case to even be presented to a court, that's actually *MORE* of an exoneration than a "not guilty" verdict would be. O.J. was found "not guilty", but he totally murdered those people as a shit ton of evidence demonstrates.
I respect you not taking down your original video. Roiland has not provided any evidence or context to make him deserving of an apology from the public. His post addressing the situation also read very smug to me, and I’m curious to see if/or how he addresses this situation next.
@@christopherflorez6592 I can’t say for certain what proves a person innocent, but given that we know absolutely zero details of the case, any details given at all could help. So far all we’ve gotten is the charges being filed for 2+ years, being dropped, and then his wordy yet not insightful statement. I’d be interested to know more about the incident that led to the charges. My opinion though.
With the truth often being somewhere in the middle and how he was immediately let go from Hulu and comedy central and dropped from his game company I imagine there was enough dirt to put him in a position to do as he was told. I watch Rick and Morty. Can we really think inappropriate is out of the question?
Best bit of advice I can offer is this, he’s not being charged now but if he’s serious about rebuilding his image then let him handle it. Sooner or later he’s gonna prove everyone or himself wrong. If he still gets on your nerves then just ignore him, a lot of people are still mad at him but it’s better to handle it responsibly with an even temper, seriously people comparing him with the OJ case was just disgusting.
justin roiland could literally shoot someone, still have the smoking gun in his hand, and his rabid fans would be like "but there's no proof!!" and then say the dead guy with the bullet wound was probably just making stuff up to try and "cancel" him
No then they would literally be proof and nobody could deny it.. there was no proof in this case at all I don't even give a s*** about Justin but I do give a s*** about due process because everyone knows you wouldn't want someone to just immediately throw you in jail based off of something somebody said without any proof to back it up
>case gets dropped due to lack of evidence >people act like the man was convicted to life in prison >those people get criticism >"rabid fans will defend anyone regardless of proof!"
Innocent until proven guilty is literally the corner stone of justice. It protects people from being falsely imprisoned/executed from crimes they did not commit. The state has 100% of the burden to prove their case when they arrest someone. Just like the accuser has 100% the burden to prove their accusations are true. Justin by default is innocent until proven guilty. There was so little evidence, or no evidence at all more likely, that Justin did any form of abuse that they didn't even go to trial. That means the case was so weak a jury would've thrown it out fast. So he was never guilty, he was always innocent. The state and his accuser failed to prove his guilt. That literally means he was innocent. You do not need to like Justin as a person, I know I personally don't. Nor do I like Rick and Morty. The show and its fans are cancerous and annoying. I wish they'd all disappear. But to pretend that its a crazy notion that a person is innocent until proven guilty is absurd. Its not absurd to state a fact. And it is a literal fact now that the accusations had no evidence to support it. Its just the word of someone who has a motive to lie about another, that of a break up. I'm NOT saying that's what happened here. I'm simply saying she DOES have a motive to lie. So without evidence, her word is simply not good enough for the court. So I think his fans are 100% valid for pointing this out. I am sorry you don't value the core principals of justice. But you realize, this protects YOU too right? If I were to make up a wild accusation against you, and go to the police without evidence they likely wouldn't even come question you. But if you got rid of that, I could make something up about you, provide 0 evidence, and watch your life get ruined, and you get sent to jail for a crime you didn't commit. Because you'd be incapable of proving your innocence. You're really, really dumb if you don't think that the notion you're pushing can't and won't be weaponized against YOU. Its in YOUR interest that a person is presumed innocent, and the accuser/state has to prove your guilt. Only a complete idiot would think thats a bad thing.
@@Clown_the_Clown just because there was lack of evidence doesnt mean he is innocent, it just means they cannot prove wether he is innocent or guilty by law 👍
KM, when I first saw this my reaction was “again?” & not in a favorable way…however, I watched it anyway & I gotta say girl you have more wisdom in that noggin then any person your age has a right to. Great vid, thanks for the update. I have enjoyed R&M since I found it mid second season. As a quirky person myself I am revolted by JR’s lack of respect for those around him, what he had prob done & his reactions to it. Hope he learns from it but not holding my breath.
The first episode without roiland should be set in an entirely new dimensions, with an entire cast of new voices for the characters. The entjre episode plays out and its never acknowledged, next episode back to the og cast and regular voices but the cameras are shot in blair witch docu style hand held shakey,and theyre super confused about who they are what theyre supposed to be doing with themselves, with cuts to new dimension crew trying to return the camera crew back to og crew and the new dimension basically confirming the 4th wall break with the og crew and then the rest of the season is them trying to get into our dimensions knowing were out here watching them, with the season finale being successful they break into our dimension and then next season... LIVE ACTION Rick n Morty
i’ve seen several posts from people who worked on rick and morty alleging that roiland has some serious alcohol issues. i think he’s not a good person but i think he has the opportunity to change and redeem himself if he gets sober and does some serious soul searching as you said. i always do my best to have empathy for others and i am a believer in change. hopefully he will address the creepy texts and his poor behaviour in the workplace and apologise in a sincere way, as well as get sober. i was a big fan of him until all of this came to light, and now i definitely not a fan. makes me feel sick to think that i looked up to him as a teen when he was busy texting other underage girls trying to get into their panties. :/ time will tell whether or not he is capable of becoming a better person.
I agree with u for the most part on this vid and I stand with you in not taking down ur vid, but just to be clear the law does not and has never exonerated anybody, just guilty or not guilty depending on the evidence. even on the things I don’t necessarily agree with u on, I don’t believe you don’t owe anyone an apology, you based ur video on the info that was out during the time and now u made a new vid with new info so good on you for that and ur also aloud to have an opinion
The prosecutor who dropped the charges said it was because "significant additional information came to light". This wasn't a lack of evidence but new evidence which changed things, so to me that does sound like a bit of an exoneration. It does seem like he is a sh!tty person and employee but if you want to fire him for that, fire him for that. It's BS that once somebody is accused of a crime, even if all charges are dropped, they are guilty of it bc someday those charges could be brought again. By that logic we are all guilty of every crime which we haven't gone to trial and beat (which is every single crime for 99.999% of ppl) Also just a guess, but I wonder if the new evidence was of her threatening to falsely accuse him if he ever xxx (cheated, or left her, or whatever). It had to be something that invalidated the existing evidence, but what that is, is just a guess.
People do sometimes lie and take others to court. I've been the victim of this myself. She hid the letter that the court sent me about the allegations (mail not sent to new adress, mail not forwarded from her place, opened by her despite being for me, shown to me when she wanted to get back together). But, if these type of accusations are happening frequently, it's probably not mass conspiracy. Hopefully you only meet one or less actually crazy person in your life.
@@Clown_the_Clown yeah but his statement was absolute ass, if you need to refute clames like this he shouldve done it in a similar way to kwites recent situation
I fully believed it when my friend told me about what he got in trouble, and I was upset, disappointed, and frustrated. As I just finally caught up with Rick and Morty, put Solar Opposites, and enjoy both. Realizing just how much of both shows depended on him, I was angry that he'd be so stupid as to think that it was either okay or that he could get away with texting a teenager, something clearly unacceptable. Now, because of what he's done, everything, two otherwise good shows will now suffer... I put the blame squarely at his feet, being a creepy, pervy, idiot. Sigh
This isn't the first time these claims have come up, even 2020 wasn't the first set of accusations. Every single piece of evidence that has come out over the years implies that Roiland has been the target of repeated claims of bad behavior due to his high level of fame and notoriety. Every time these charges show up, they are dropped or dismissed. The guy may be difficult to work with and might be a bit of a creep, but from my understanding, nothing has ever been legitimate enough to warrant a verdict against Roiland. In this country, that means he is innocent; especially in a country where the legal system takes a back seat to ideologically backed judges and poisoned juries.
I said it once and I will again I honestly think that Denerosity video on separating on from the artist is the best take on this type of thing regardless if he was innocent or guilty or is something in between of any and all crimes
It's like Chris Brown. People complaining about cancel culture just feel entitled to have their favorite celebrities be popular. No one has an inalienble right to be liked.
Thank you for saying what you said about people lying about SA it's terrible, people should be more honest and speak up about that kind of stuff, it should be a focus to destroy assult
I'm going to breathe a little fire for a second. He did pull a big IQ play. He created a popular TV show, sat back and only did voicing. He just sat back after that and let the money come in.
You hear his voice in a lot of media, but it gets annoying after a while. I mean he literally only does like two voices. A Rick voice, a Morty voice, and stuff in-between.
1:45 That is not what reasonable doubt means, and reasonable doubt is not the standard used for bringing a case to trial. In fact, the U.S. Justice system is based on a principal known as a "presumption of innocence," and when a judge rules that there is no criminal case that can be legally presented to a jury under the given facts, you're correct that it isn't a *finding* of innocence, because the innocence was already presumed. When a charge gets dismissed because there isn't enough evidence to charge it, that means the prosecutor overreached his evidence and the defendant is innocent of that charge. That is what it means. You may not like what it doesn't imply, but that is what it means in our legal system. This man may still be a creep, and maybe we shouldn't watch his cartoons (or maybe we shouldn't monetize videos about him and profit from his poor character) but he is legally innocent of those charges and that isn't going to change.
I separate the creator from the art. R&M is great even if the guy who make it is shady. Hell it's Hollywood. That's how I expect it to be. If weird texts is the most he was doing in Hollywood, that's saint level there 🤣🤣
