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Gas seems manifest itself near the end of day. The secret is to sleep it off, and see how you feel about it. Clarity is somehow better in the morning as compared to lower will power in the evening.
It's an amazing phenomena that most buying decisions are easier to take during the night time. Shit almost every day a browse web and Im like "Why do I even think about buying this thang when I have never thought about it before?"
3am scrolling RU-vid is the worst time for impulse purchases. I’ve bought so much TE stuff and it’s all in a drawer untouched for months like a box of pebbles.
That is even scientifically accurate. There are whole economic models based on this, people that bet against people that buy stock late at night (bc their judgment is impaired). Neuro-economics
I had the same thing when I bought the OP-Z. I had all the problems: bending, double triggers, oplab module doesn't fit. It lasted about 18 months, then became practically un-sellable. And I take care of my gear. I was on board with them until I experienced one of their products. But, I'd never buy from them again, and I advise everyone against doing so. If style over substance was a tech brand, it'd be TE.
I am so incredibly let down with the way they handled the opz.. so much so that despite loving it I sold it and never bought a op1 field or will I buy a new opz field either.. completely over anything like that from them.. Yet just like in this video.. they suckered me again somehow and I did buy a ep133 despite really not wanting to support them.. and I absolutely love it.. everything it lacks compared to the competition, is what makes it so incredible.. it is just so much fun to use and I love how it is so customizable.. it does only exactly what I need and does it in a fun and super concentrated easy way.. I hate to support them, but they knocked it out the park with that knockout..lol
That whole "I buy a piece of gear to rush to make an ad about it using my lifetime of experience as a musician... and then publish it on a platform I spent years building" part... that's at a similar depth as humans being a part of the universe looking inwards marveling of its own existence. Your other point about that shiny new gear chipping away from the time you could spend mastering your existing gear is also spot on. Yes, exploring different workflows to understand which ones you enjoy the most is worth it, but only to a degree. Thanks for a great video.
The more time I spend on the ep133 the better it gets though. I think TE put a lot of thoughts into how instruments are programmed and what possibilities and creativity they open up within their own limitations like no other brands have IMHO. The workflows they propose have a learning curve to them but once you master the advanced concepts they become extremely capable and unique.
Sometimes I take a step back and think about how deep acoustic instruments like piano and guitar are. So much self expression and music across virtually limitless genres have been made with the same “patch” of a piano or acoustic guitar. What’s helped me with GAS is looking at purchases as instruments rather than “gear”. Designs that stand the test of time and have use across genres appeal to me more now and help me see through cool, but ultimately un-useful “stuff”.
Don't forget about their involvement with Nothing (the electronics company). I personally believe a huge part of their success as a brand new entrant into the smartphone/smartphone accessories industry has to do with Teenage Engineering doing the industrial design.
I admire the TE deaign chops, but I know i would struggle with the OP-1's limitations, I loathe the OP-Z lconcept of locking stuff behind an app, the modular stuff looks great but is undercooked, and I stipped taking them seriously as an enterprise after the $1500 noize table. the 133 appeals, but is what those caseless calxulators should've been first time around!
While I agree with many things you say in this video there is a bit of irony of you having teenage engineerings name in the title and then talking mostly about GAS in general:) In some strange sense I think that the OP1 field being as expensive as it is, is a good thing for GAS. Since it’s not possible for most to just impulsively go buy it. In that way buying it will be a bigger investment and you will probably take it more seriously spending time with it. A weird justification for a high price, I know. But I also suffer much from GAS. I have every Pocket operator but none of the OP1’s.
I enjoy my ep 133 but TE is basically the poster company late capitalism, in the way that they exist only to transform culture into commodity. TE product designers subsume a previous history and render it into these weird cultural artifacts that are very removed from their original context. TE's emphasis on novelty and aesthetic over utility illustrates how late capitalism absorbs and metabolizes anything that it comes into contact with, strips it of meaning and assigns value that is purely monetary. i find them to be a deeply problematic company but then again so are many of the other synth companies that i buy crap from -- and as someone who likes to play synths but can't build my own, i ultimately buy TE stuff even if I know I'll feel guilty about it later.
Not referring to Teenage Engineering, but if it helps smaller synth companies survive by selling desirable trinkets to non musicians, then good for them, the rest of us benefit. Hello Elektron 😉
The whole gear/VST thing in reality is the same as selling pans and sluices to gold prospectors. And - all this "stuff" and music is getting worse, why?
I think it depends on the company for sure - but it's true people get sucked into marketing schemes all the time and end up with products they truly don't need.
I watch your channel to avoid purchasing gear I don’t need. So in many ways you are the GAS antidote. I also like the fact that you are usually not a day one guy. I prefer reviews, tutorials, and jams on gear that you have worked with for a while.
Man this video is all so much more true than I care to admit lmao. I’m a guitar player, but I’ve been curious about taking a peak into the world of synths, sequencers, drum machine and what not for a while now. Last year I bought a used OP-1 purely cause I always thought it looked cool over the years and had heard some neat sounds come out of it online, not that I really knew what it was or if it was really what I was looking for. Ended up getting distracted and shelving it, but wanting to come back to it eventually and learn. Fast forward a year, still haven’t learned the OP-1 and I find out about the POs. After watching a few videos of em, now I’m GASing for one or two. I don’t know if it’s cause I’m coming from the world of guitar and all this stuff is so new and interesting to me, or if TE really are just design geniuses 😂
I don't see them ever stopping production of the OG pocket operators but with the K.O. II it seems pretty clear that they're done with expanding what was once their cheapest range of synths. I wish they ended up going to production with the individual synth modules from the po modular range because those had a very strong DIY ethos. I'll always be a fan of the "metal series" pocket operators ever since I purchased a used tonic but to me it's clear TE are moving towards being more of a design firm and luxury brand. They fully take advantage of drop culture, the magic speaker, field desk and the collab with Off-White were unfortunately just the beginning.
Sigh i loveeee the op 1 and will be getting the field (basically teaching myself to fix it if problems occur.) other than that I couldn't pressure myself to get any of the other product they have. I dont really have a lot of gear and the stuff i do is old which is fine for me cus it works for me. I stay updated on the new gear coming out because its cool but i know what works for me and what doesnt. It does get tempting from time to time lol but i just think "how would this work with what i have and do I really need it." People also need to remember some of their favorite artists use old ass gear to make some bangers.
I find myself hopelessly buying new synths and groove boxes and never mastering anything. Then I sell them and start all over again. I see my character flaw but I haven’t fixed it yet.
For me, TE gear is just plain horror. While the OP-1 might have been a great pocket synth at the time, all of their other stuff is just "form over function". I mean, they're now even selling devices without people actually having one clue about what they actually do, the EP-133 is a perfect example.
I spend months agonising over buying gear, often selling other gear to fund it, my finances are tight and I really don't take these decisions lightly, so it's refreshing and massively appreciated to hear some honesty from a hardware reviewer in this respect. I love my OG OP-1 and was always defending it from my modular real ale friends, but the price of the OP-1 Field is an absolute piss-take, that's kind of soured my opinion of TE. Just purchased a nearly new SP404mk2 off the back of your vids anyway, CANNOT WAIT to get stuck in, cheers!
So true about what you say with 'form over function' with TE products. I mean, their products are truly amazing in function, but also leave much to be desired. Take for example the OPZ. I have two I sync and play at the same time which does produce some amazing outcomes (i work in marketing for a boring corporation, making jingles and content sounds with the OPZs!), BUT.... to create a 'full' song which lasts for about 3-4 minutes is not possible or straightforward with the OPZ, or almost any product for that matter, short of perhaps an MPC or MC707, where you lose that 'speed of creation/immediacy' factor.
“ I WANT THAT “ for me trigers how expensive/quality is the SOUND and how expensive/quality is the circuitry inside which makes the sound. the real 303 is just plastic outside and no clone replica give you the depth that the real unit dies because it is cramped with more quality circuitry inside than any modern monophonic / polyphonic analog synth. my advice is PAY EXPENSIVE MONEY FOR EXPENSIVE SOUND / EXPENSIVE CIRCUITRY
I think it requires some experience with gear (and some poor buying decisions) to know the difference between what it seems and what it actually does. There are too many details and individual stuff which is not obvious until you get a hands-on experience. For example, I was really excited about the MC-101 until I actually got it. There are a lot of things that doesn't work me in the device, but it also opened my eyes onto some things that I didn't think about before. A checklist of features for my next groovebox was expanded, and it was a more conscious purchase, I've got the Polyend Tracker, and I'm pretty happy with it. As for TE, I think their non-expensive devices (POs and EP) are cool, but things like OP-1, TX-6, TP-7 with prices like that are beyond my understanding.
Hi Liam, I like your videos very much, you've been a great resource for me with regards to getting into the PO series in recent months. Your disclaimer about TE and their role in R1 comes too late and is at odds with what you say beforehand: "a handheld ai designed by teenage engineering" we know it's the housing primarily, not the AI service. "it also seems like they straight up lied about how it actually works" the Rabbit team would be the "they" here, not TE I really admire your work, but think you've made some mistakes here and it's the first impressions that really matter. It's great to hear your takes on your role and interactions with technology, the users and the various industries (goods/content) On a side note; PO's have helped me get into music like I never thought possible, at a great price point (specially 2nd hand) EP-133 I'm a bit skeptical of this becoming a whole series like the PO myself, but the 133's price point / accessibility is wild.
One thing you didn't mention was the whole focus of the coffeezilla video: Rabbit's CEO. The guy's a scam artist first and foremost with the pump and dump crypto scheme that came before Rabbit and then with the R1 itself. Lies everywhere. Now, of course, yours is a TE video, so why should this dude be mentioned? The thing is, he's part of the board at TE, so their relationship goes deeper than just designing this one product. It really leaves a bad taste.
GAS effectively exploits musician's insecurities and sense of imposter syndrome. If we were all a little more confident in our abilities using the stuff we have at hand, and being kinder to ourselves creatively, they'd find particularly difficult to get you buy the next big thing.
I remember that I was very much intrigued when the first op-1 came out but the price was ridiculous. I think TE had their peak time with PO33. After that, all their gears are either plain right shit or way too over priced.
When you look at the groovebox market, TE just doesn't make a compelling full featured product and probably never will. Anyone who's been around the space for more than a couple of years has ended up choosing 1 of 3 workflow options. 1. Elektron 2. MPC 3. Tracker (M8 or Polyend). Just choose one of the 3 workflows and go with it. Learn the device you choose well, and forget TE ever existed.
i have zero gear but teenage makes me wan tto buy i us fl studio for fun with a mouse and key bord but te makes pysical things look usable for me unlike other brands
TE aren’t really a synth company, or a design company … they’re more of a hipsters’ shiny toy company 😏 … ☺️ Talk about selling the sizzle, not the sausage … ✨
I watch your channel to avoid purchasing gear I don’t need. So in many ways you are the GAS antidote. I also like the fact that you are usually not a day one guy. I prefer reviews, tutorials, and jams on gear that you have worked with for a while.
I thought these guys were an industrial art house that shit out music toys for fun, and imo the commentary surrounding them is some of the best meta humor dealing with peoples disconnectedness from what they are actually buying and why.
I love Teenage Engineering's approach to design. It's pretty much cribbing from Braun and other neo-modern Bauhaus style designs. Which makes their gear look at home next to other companies which borrow that design language. Like Apple. As far as the practice of selling the idea as opposed to selling the function itself. This is what we called selling the sizzle, not the steak back when I worked in sales. No restaurant is selling you 35 grams of protein, with 40 grams of carbohydrate and another 25 grams of chlorophyl impregnated fiber. A seared flank steak with Idaho potatoes and butter sauteed brussel sprouts is much more appealing.
Great video. And i feel like you are being honestly honest. Unlike many other youtubers who do these honest videos, with honesty used as an instrument to make money. That being said... Yes, you are right, there is a problem with GAS. But i feel like we should blame ourselves, not companies that are doing great products like TE. Dont poop onto❤ TE. We are invaded by shitty products. TE, just like Apple, has been changing this for the better.
I had an OP1. I sold it for a big profit. Good riddance - not a popular opinion, but i think its really overrated as a music production tool. Looks great though, admittedly.
99% of modern gear is all hype and geared (no pun intended) to make us feel like we're not relevant musically unless we have the shiny new product advertised! I do have a resentment to a lot of content creators not just in music but in the photography business too! The camera industry releases more cameras 4k 6k 8k more pixels more features etc. When most people view photos and video content from their 5 inch phone screens when you can't tell the difference between 4k and 8k on something so small! Props to you for making this video and explaining how we're all getting taken for a ride with these gear companies!
Hello, i did not know GAS concept before watching this video. Big Thanks. I bought a digitakt 5 years ago, as a no brainer call, without any regret, and got a lot of pleasure to explore elektron sequencer etc.. this year i bought a PO33 to try and got more fun that i've expected. So naturally, i've looking for which other TE gear i should buy, and it seems that only OP1 (field) fits to me. But ofc price did not, after few months of headache (rly), i finally bought one and I found a taste of making music that remind me my first step in electronic music (~ 25/30 years ago with Roland MC303 and a 400 bucks computer). This feeling has no cost even if i get a bit abused by TE. (excuse my bad english)
GAS is powerful, and has especially become a problem with advent of RU-vid synthfluencers. I've bought quite a few new pieces of gear with a conviction that it's something I need to make more/better/different music. But as with all trends, it seems to be dropping. I missed out on the initial batch of the K.O. II and by the time it was back in stock GAS had subsided and I was no longer as excited about it, especially with no 16 pad grid and the scroll through steps sequencer with no dedicated buttons per step.. Same with Digitakt II, it just doesn't feel enough for the asking price. It would seem, the problem solves itself - once it comes out, it's sold out and by the time it's back in stock, the first wave of reviews has passed, so has GAS (pun intenden).
Cuckoo going crazy that we can FINALLY sample in stereo with digitakt II is prime GAS creation in my eyes. I love his stuff but that video had me laughing out loud 🙂
I bought into the RU-vid EP-133 hype before it was released. I didn't have enough money to buy it when it first went on sale and I almost borrowed some money to get it, thankfully I decided not to. I put a saved search on eBay to see what would happen - The RRP of the EP-133 was £299. Initially the prices of new units on eBay starting hitting upwards of £600, and people were buying them too. After a month, prices were down to RRP on eBay. Today I'm seeing people trying to shift them for £250 or lower in a couple of cases. Need it right now? No you don't. Wait until the reviews hit after a couple of months, wait until the hype has died and then if you're still into it, go for it. Patience is your friend.
GAS is not as strong in the DAW side of the Force, once you got a couple controllers you're pretty much done. The only DAWless gear i decided to keep forever is my Deluge which keeps on getting better over time thanks to its community.
TE products seem to be more like lifestyle products. Don't get me wrong, they have top notch machines and I absolutely love some of them, but their design screams more prestige object then professional tool.
I got my Novation Circuit maybe late 2016 my first synth/groovebox…I started freestyle-in then writing songs…then went to the studio started buying beats and got inspired by my beat guy to try and make track beats now I’m trying to add a little to my at home studio and produce my own music and upload to Distrokid…Whoop There It Is 🎹🎤🎶🔊‼️
ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-4TsndZxysts.htmlsi=ztAzLjgSuc9MyFPa Hi Liam, there's a lot to unpack in your video, I put a link to a documentary that I think relates to what you are going through regarding consumerism. Or what I see as the never-ending Beatless catalog. How is it that you can still buy new versions of the same album after so many, many, many years? Yes, the documentary does lean heavily into advertising the brand that sponsored it, over the years I've heard that company's founder being very critical of what they do and yet they are still a retailer, they are still part of the machine. I like some of your videos, I bought a KOII and I'm still trying to learn the way it works. I wish someone was to do tutorials on specific things only using the factory samples, step by step. Let's say -sequence a dance. beat-, then a House one, then a Disco one, etc. Not diving into many functions and effects. Then make another video with just effects, or only loops, only sampling... I hope I'm making some sense. Most videos want to show so many features and ideas that is super hard to follow and retain the concepts
During lockdown I bought a PO-33 and discovered the world of music. After I learned a machine I bought the next step up. Now I have Elektron products and really, that is the end goal for me. Learning to make music through these machines while having fun. Getting the machines and learning them is part of me learning to make music. And all of it is fun.
As Im learning to make some music (my girlfriend calls them techno noises), I ran into Ableton's website, it has a "learn music" link, which is pretty cool as it brushes on the surface of many topics, and it is not super dense, and you have some exercises as you go along. As you go along you see some popular songs being dissected so you see how to build some parts yourself.
For me, someone chronically short on cash, it’s so weird to see other people talk about GAS, because I’ll save for weeks to be able to afford a new guitar pedal and then I’ll use that thing for literal years even if it’s a piece of shit. I do feel though that if I had the money I would absolutely fall into that trap
The Nord drum is great ! I did a video on that exact combo actually haha - here it is: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-iSTctYa7fUc.htmlsi=P2-QNxQk7cqHIHDV
My AuDHD brain has been totally sucked in to this cycle of lusting after the new thing while the other six samplers I own sit gathering dust. I made tons more music in the early 2000s when I just had a cracked copy of Sonic Foundry Acid, and then a proper copy of Ableton. Now I’m just overwhelmed by all the gear I own and I make hardly any music, and have a big credit card balance to try and clear down. I feel a bit stupid, tbh, but (and slightly off topic) I think this is just how high capitalism takes advantage of people who share my neurotype. Being able to ignore all the noise and actually focus on doing The Thing is very much the AuDHD experience. I haven’t found the answer yet but thank you for this video, I feel it’s helped me a step or several in the right direction on that!
@@i-never-look-at-replies-lol Firstly it's AuDHD, secondly I'm not blaming anything on anything, I'm talking about my neurotype and how it influences my thought processes and behaviour, thirdly what's it to you anyway?
I got into synths because I thought the op1 and opz looked cool but I’ve just been using ableton and a midi keyboard and see no reason to buy any this else so far. If I had gotten an opz as my first instrument I probably wouldn’t have stuck with the hobby.
Excellent video Liam. As I put my studio together over time, i diligently research the instruments that go into it to have a specific and hopefully permanent surface. This with the recent (last 5 years) exception of the Moog Sound Studio and The Microfreak, both of which I bought sight unseen/unheard. Needless to say I wasn’t disappointed with either. With that being said, I find no desire or temptation to do anything but create the music and produce sample packs I freelance. When the Digitakt II came out recently I was scratching my head as to why so many’s people all the sudden found out that the digitakt wasn’t sufficient for their needs anymore. This is a laughable cover for GAS. I love how you touched on that in the video. With the exception of a select few experiments and trials everything in my workshop has a very specific purpose for being there. Even with the overlap this is true. I have both an Octatrack and Digitakt but for different sampling purposes. Same goes with my Roland SP. At the end of the day if they are more into looking cool with new trends or simply just like playing with the gear.. (thats not such a bad thing really) and not really into creating actual music, they are hobbyists at best funding the TE CEO’s senior advisor’s new penthouse office in Stockholm. Probably putting a few kids through some ivy league educations too. Just sayin lol. Awesome video and spot on. A sigh of relief when my fellow EDM veterans are standing up and calling out the bs. You have my respect Liam. 🍚 🥕 ☮️ ❤️ 🕊️
Kudos to you for saying out loud what so many people need to hear. We gotta stop fanning over products and start fanning over the art and artists. TE has been a prime example and it seems like most synth youtubers are unwilling, or maybe even scared, to say the truth, you may feel like your platform isn't big, but I promise it means more to people looking up gear than you may realize. The DT2 has so many issues as well and no one with a platform is willing to call it the rushed, incomplete thousand dollar box that it really is, again, probably out of fear? I'm not sure. But in reviewers failure to call it as it is, it is pushing people to spend tons of money only to find out it doesn't work as promised. Keep these videos coming!
Yeah, I think it’s pretty simple really. Don’t buy products as soon as they are released, they invariably have bugs or missing features that the marketing hype doesn’t mention. Wait for all the early adopters to find those issues for you. Then, if after the hype has died down, and you still want the damn thing, pick it up on the cheap, second hand a few months later - but only if it really fills a need in your workflow. Simple.
@@LiamKillen Yup - although, like you, I will concede that I copped the Digitakt 2 shortly after it dropped, but as someone with a DT1, it wasn't too much of a gamble - and I've been super stoked on it, and the improved functionality it brings.
Interesting video. Definitely agree with a lot of what you talked about. For me, videos of the OP1 got me into groove boxes and “dawless”. I never got an OP1 but my first hardware was a KO33 and it just opened my eyes so much to how fun music can be outside the computer. Before that I was only making music in FLStudio and had kind of taken a break from it. So from that standpoint I owe a lot to TE for getting me back in in such a strong way. Since then I have gotten an OPZ and Dirtywave M8 and couldn’t be happier. Haven’t opened FLStudio since. I agree that it’s a problem when you feel the need to collect them all though. Especially at their current prices. I think it was essential to me to choose to master the gear I have before getting new gear. Certainly a problem in the community though.
Yeah, spot on at the end there. Despite it being an overpriced toy mostly targeted towards yuppies, I do like how they’ve brought the power of design and form into the conversation. I have a modest amount of keyboards and instruments, but I don’t use them as often because I work at my desk and have to clear it off to switch to music. Meanwhile I use the OP1 every day as i can simply flick it on and get some ideas down. I also bring it around other musicians and they love it, and can start jamming immediately-(till it becomes awkward when they ask how much it costs). All to say that while its downsides are immediately apparent something here is working.
"what is right for you" I think this is the key. It's easy to focus on the creator and or the company. The hard part is to look inward and be honest with yourself. Is it right for me. We already know how things work. We know the theory if something is too good to be true it is, yet still fall for it. The game changing moment is when we begin to make our own decisions vs being influenced by another human being.
I literally bought a Roland mc 303 today because it’s cheap and works for what I need it to. Having said that though, holy moly are the urges to buy into GAS crazy, I want a digitakt II so bad almost purely because it’s the new shiny thing.
@@LiamKillen Yeah, it's what's keeping me from just picking up a cheaper used D1, lol. But yeah, with a synth showcase every year and countless releases between, It's really hard to not just buy up every cool new thing.
Great video. I got into this channel (and back into making music) cause of the KO II. It was the first time in a long time i saw a thing i just had to have, even though i didn't know exactly what it did. The TE design ethos is powerful. I've just had to accept that this is my hobby now and i like to collect this stuff. I've since got an mpc key 61 and some other gear. I'll never go platinum, but there's something about messing around with black boxes that go bleepy bloop that makes a stressful day at work fade a little bit. Some guys collect $20k plus watches that they store in their closets. Other guys buy $10k mountain bikes that they never ride. Of the crazy expensive stuff to collect, i feel like synths aren't the worst thing... At least, that's what I've tried to convince my wife of
i bought the po33, minifreak, the east beast and the roland t-8. 4 pieces of gear with minimal overlap and if i could go back and redo it all i wouldve just bought vsts.
On point. It's easy to fixate on the rush of a new, shiny thing than deepen my relationship with the fantastic tools that I have even though that is where the magic happens. It's easy to buy into the idealized concept of the new thing, the sweet promise of its potential, especially if that let's you defer putting in the work with the gem you have already. Oh god, am I describing marriage? 😂 I think one of the appeals of eye-watteringly expensive vintage gear is that it provides an countervaling force. It's already proved its worth by standing the test of time, and sunk cost means that you're incentivized to deepen your relationship and learn to get the most out of it. If I bought myself a Buchla Music Easel like Caterina Barbieri, you'd better believe I'm milking it for all it's worth.
I waited till the KO2 when on sale and I actually wish I got it sooner. It’s the only teenage engineering piece of gear I own. I have the NI Maschine mk3 but the the KO2 is great for what I do. I love experimenting with it and I use guitar pedals and other synths with it as well as guitar. Great video. The GAS is a real thing and I’ve slowly moved away from first day preorder mania. I have so much gear that I’ve been selling a bunch and don’t even remember owning half of it. lol. Running a recording studio informs my purchases on a as needed basis but sometimes those wants be callin me.
And then we have Roland packing a million features into a tiny piece of gear like the S1, but it’s so inconvenient to access and much more effort to learn and get the most out of it 😅
I have few physical synths and guitar pedals they are not the thing I go to when making music I use My DAW Reason. Keeping gear set up and clean is just not practical in My space.
Not me watching this after buying a Roland SP404 MK2 about a year ago but procrastinating learning it, then buying the EP133 about a month ago and beep booping the pads for 40 mins before going back to Koala Sampler on my iPad…which I have an Arturia Minilab 3 and Minifuse 1 still in boxes that I got for my birthday specifically to use with Koala…while my MPC 1000, Maschine MK2, Maschine Mikro MK3, Launchpad X, Launchcontrol and Ableton on my Mac all collect dust. Oh and I have 5 Pocket Operators in a box haha I think I need to do a cleanse 😂
this is so true, Hologram has made me want to buy a chroma console so bad, but also realizing that i have great gear already, and don’t need to get more.
