We need to talk about the Minecraft community. 

I love how fireflies are the thing that broke Minecraft.

I’m glad Mojang removed fireflies. I always fed my frogs fireflies until Mojang announced the frogs will eat slimes instead because fireflies are poisonous. I’ve been feeding my frogs boogers and molten magma instead ever since and my frogs are a lot healthier now

I genuinely wonder how different both the game and the community would be by now if Mojang had never got bought out by Microsoft and stayed indie

I think one of the main factors of how toxic the Minecraft community is is its _size._ The Minecraft community is MASSIVE, one of the biggest fanbases in the world. And everybody has their own opinions of how things should be and how the game should be played/made. There are literally entire portions of the community that play on a version of the game that's over 10 years old, people who play for survival aspects, people who play for the building aspects, people who play modded, people who play exclusively multiplayer, literal children, and fully grown adults. There's SO MUCH diversity within the community that its very rare for everyone to agree on something.

"Concept art is not a commitment" this is correct but announcements are a commitment because if you don't follow an announcement through you'll disappoint the comunity

Another detail is that 2 days before the 2020 livestream, Steve was announced for smash bros ultimate. The hype surrounding those first days of October in the Minecraft community was *massive.*

12:40 The problems with chat reporting are that 1) you get banned from all multiplayer, even servers you host yourself and 2) servers are run by the community, not Mojang, and those servers are already expected to have their own moderation

the fireflies thing also doesn't help that they said *most* fireflies were toxic to toads and frogs. Mojang could have totally picked a different type of firefly that wasn't toxic to frogs, but they just didn't. I'm also still a bit upset about fireflies. Imagine how much more magical a lot of builds would look with the addition of fireflies. I hope they add them in a later update. They could've made firefly jars to give fireflies a purpose, they could add butterflies, maybe even small birds that DO eat fireflies, if fireflies aren't enough of an incentive for even a minor update. They could call it The Bug Catching Update, or The Ecology Update.

I think 99% of the community's issues could be solved by mojang being actually transparent. We still would probably be in a similar situation due to your points mentioned, but it would be much less toxic for sure.

My biggest gripe with Mojang is that you literally get censored saying “profanity” ON YOUR OWN PERSONAL REALM (edit: I play Java Edition thx 4 the likes)

Here's an idea. The Loose Ends Update: Includes all promised features and clears the slate (Stuff promised in 1.17) (Fireflies, bundles) (The lost mob vote mobs) (The biome update) Not new stuff, but promised stuff

Why aren't there any in-person events for the biggest game in the entire world? It makes zero sense. Meeting people in real life and seeing the faces behind the usernames on your screen is a great way to quickly eliminate toxicity.

"I can't recall another time that people was this excited" I do, the nether update had almost as much hype as the cliffs and caves update, the redstone update, 1.5 I think, also generated a lot of hype back in 2013.

Mojang: fireflies are poisonous to frogs so we won’t add them Also Mojang: feed them lava slimes from hell Edit: another point is that you won’t just feed chocolate chip cookies to your parrot because you could in your favourite game Edit 2: I said could because you used to tame parrots with cookies Minecraft cookies have chocolate chips

had me till the end, leaving criticism completely out the window is a terrible idea for settling, change doesn't come by sitting idle, it comes through the voice of the community. a shift in direction of voice could be the right direction, but silence isn't a path worth taking.

Mojang is the source of the problem itself. Of course, sending threats and stuff is obviously absurd, but mojang making mistake after mistake and even blaming the community itself is an absolutely valid reason for people to be mad.

One thing that was overlooked in the chat reporting section: There were vulnerabilities in the system that allowed someone with any technical knowledge to send fake reports, where you could (originally) change the order of messages, edit messages, and remove messages. They fixed the editing messages part, but the other two were not fixed. This was a major reason why I, at least, was angry. It was easy to get falsebanned,

I think there’s a difference between joining toxic mob mentality, and having genuine criticisms. It’s easy to say “the devs are lazy” and just be mean and spiteful for no reason. But I also think it’s important to voice concerns and criticisms in order to help a game your passionate about do better. It’s important to remember to not be toxic and mean, but also important to voice discontent and frustrations, but in a respectful way.

The strangest thing about this is that I've noticed communities on Minecraft that were previously toxic beyond compare, such as 2b2t, have become kinder, more welcoming, and more helpful to newer players over the years-the complete opposite of what is happening to the greater Minecraft community.

Mojang's biggest problem is that they're making bad decision after bad decision and have very limited communication with the community. The bad decisions and lack of communication has allowed toxicity and resentment to grow in the community for years.

Agnes always looks like she's about to collapse into tears

The fact that I can't even type "Tavern" on a sign in a private world is baffling. Minecraft is literally starting to turn into the old roblox chat filter.

I am the player who enjoys building cute houses and got very excited about the cherry trees, thank you for this video

I've been playing minecraft since alpha 1.5_01 off and on. I've seen the ups and downs of the development throughout. Personally I couldn't care less about many of these changes, I have my gripes but that's all it is. I mainly like to hear peoples' thoughts on things and every year it's nonstop doom and gloom, at least lately. It's all about sensationalism and clickbait at this point from what I can gather. I 10000% agree with your points about being in an echo chamber. I too am susceptible to it, everyone is but that's when I try to take a step back and pump the brakes a bit. In the grand scheme, most players are casuals and people need to accept it. I spend a majority of my time in Final Fantasy XIV these days and its the same ordeal. The hardcore players are upset about the tiniest changes to the game all because the devs are trying to maintain a balance and appeal to casuals at the same time. It becomes arguments of "its not the same anymore!" and the cycle repeats with talks of doom and gloom. While I'm just here doing my own thing and trying to brush off those types of players.

The problem with chat reporting is that it was being forced upon PRIVATE, DECENTRALIZED servers, with their own mod teams and their own rules. Mojang could police and potentially ban you from a server YOU host and own the hardware for. It wouldn't have been an issue if it was confined to Realms, which ARE centralized, but logging into any server that doesn't have a report-blocking mod runs the risk of Mojang taking your 30 bucks back by shutting off multiplayer forever... and that's without touching on the lack of an appeals process and admitted inability to tell legit bad behavior from account theft.

Community can definitely be pretty shitty, but that also doesn't necessarily invalidate some of the problems. For example, Mob Vote is fucked, I hate it. If they have ideas then just put them in the game. Use the vote as a "which should we work on first" kind of thing instead of just trashing the other two with "maybe later" stuck to them.

15:50 is so incredibly funny to me because they did indeed add a command in the latest snapshot to increase reach and people attacked them for invalidating the vote, which is extremely braindead

"You are upset because a game you love is being mismanaged by some megacorp? Well don't be! Why don't you just stop caring and build yourself a dirthouse, like in the good ol' days?"

I disagree that the community overreacted to chat reporting. I know people firsthand who have been banned from multiplayer for doing things in their singleplayer worlds, and the censorship system is utterly broken. Moderation of multiplayer play has been the responsibility of the community for a very long time, because multiplayer play itself was the community’s responsibility. There wouldn’t be a problem if Mojang ran official servers, and they were the only ones to have this feature, but extending _their_ rules into servers run by the community is overreach. It’s not their responsibility to tell me what I can do in my world, and definitely not their right.

Remember that time when Minecraft Bedrock was so far behind in Java that instead of updating the game itself, they added a store, currency, and minigames? Don't get me wrong, it was cool. But when a tiny update took about 6-14 months to get closer to java, and it was like a month or two between new minigame updates, it was pretty saddening. (Also Mojang's twitter went around blocking anyone who criticized this.)

Why not just say the frogs are capable of eating fireflies within the world of Minecraft? Some players can suspend their disbelief when trees dont timber, yet frog eating fly is a no-go? I’m starting to believe they made that excuse to backpedal on their promise.

Thank you so much for talking about this issue! This has also been on my mind for many months now and I was about ready to make my own RU-vid channel just to talk about this. This was a great video!

A very major thing that mojang keep overlooking, in my opinion, is adding new features instead of improving upon old ones. The nether update was so good because it overhauled a part of the game that really felt unfinished compared to the rest of the game. I'm not going to pretend like I know everything but it seems like mojang keep trying to make the updates more and more grand and ambitious but the game would benefit way more from just improving existing features. It's upsetting to see mobs like the phantoms get added and then mojang seemingly go "oh well, we tried guys, sorry." Please, stop trying to be ambitious, just be smart about features and play test them and talk with the community about it and improve the game without adding 3 new biomes. That would be much appreciated, but so would more stairs and slabs and walls and sideways stairs and slabs, etc.

"We wanted to add a safer food source for frogs, tiny slimes!" everyone: but but uhm why cant we still have the funny lightning bugs..

Mojang: We care about community feedback. The Community: So how about we add all mobs from the mob vote ? Mojang: Have you heard that we care about community feedback ?

This unfortunately isn't limited to Minecraft, I feel like the people in most communities I'm in are very sure that the newer things in their series are now soulless.

I think the real reason why fireflies weren't added is because the design was bad and everyone made fun of it. They realized they needed to give them proper models, but then having a lot of fireflies wasn't possible because entities create a ton of lag on Java (due to interaction with frogs they had to be entities and couldn't have been particles). So instead of being honest about how bad performance on Java still is they made up a fake fan and said this was them listening to the community. And no one can go and harass a person that doesn't exist, so they thought it was a win-win.

I think a big reason people are mad about the chat reporting system is that, how it shows Mojang has the time and resources to develop something nobody in the community asked for but refuses to fulfill something showed in Minecraft Lives. Just like how RU-vid removed the dislike button, a move nobody called for but they did it regardless, while ignoring popular community requests.

Thanks for addressing this. I'm on the exact same wavelength as you: When I see a thumbnail that nameshames Minecraft or says it's dead, I ignore it and tend to watch Minecraftubers that encourage positivity and good vibes. This doesn't mean I avoid the RU-vidrs who constantly crank out this negativity, but I don't give it the light of day when I know how much I love the game and what it means to me personally.

This is happening to all fandoms and all communities. It's people, not just any specific niche or anything regarding the content itself. Where there's a person, there will be conflict in some shape or form. At least now a days, and it's gotten insane.

Criticism is immensely important whether positive or negative and it is not reasonable to expect people who are passionate about a product to not have passionate reactions when things change. In my opinion these things should be kept in mind: 1. Always allow people to speak their minds, everyone needs an outlet for their feelings. 2. Avoid cyclical negativity, it does no good to empty your frustrations to just fill yourself with those same frustrations again. 3. Always keep an open mind, people can easily be blinded by passion and anger.

The thing that might anger a lot of people is that the uses for the penguin and crab were added via commands. Edit: You do realize that I am not saying I am criticizing it, I am just pointing out what I think will happen. In fact, I am glad this was added.

It wasn't the removal of fireflies that pissed people off, it was the lame excuse that treated the player base like they were stupid that understandably pissed people off.

Maybe if they didn't constantly lie and try to control the playerbase with authoritarian practices with their chat reporting and such, then maybe the community wouldn't be as angry with them.

This is not just a lesson for Minecraft, but one for real life as well.

the problem is that we're powerless we as a community have only two choices, be angry at mojang for their easily preventable shortcomings, or willingly ignore the fact mojang is piece by piece tearing their game apart for no reason i've seen this happen before with tf2, and it never gets any easier to watch

welcome to the internet, have a look around, echo chambers are everywhere as far as we have found.

won't somebody PLEASE think about the multi-billion dollar conglomerate

We don't get lighting bugs We get gaslighting bugs

You definitely underplayed chat reporting. The big thing about it is that mojang is trying to control people on their *own* servers that they *paid* for so that *they* could do what *they* wanted, and taking away that privelige is probably one of the biggest things to piss people off. Mojang shouldn't be taking control of server moderation for someone after saying that they could moderate however they like.

This video feels like a "Get behind me million dollar company" video. It downplays all the genuine criticism and the issue Mojangs has and tries to paint anymore who criticizes the game as toxic, even if its genuine.

I was having a kind of bad day up until the end of this video. it's amazing how much something as simple as saying "take a step back and enjoy what's there" could improve my mood, maybe I really should do that. maybe learn to make a redstone contraption, improve upon one I had made in a friends realm despite that one not running anymore.

This happens with all franchises that are considered to be on a downhill track. Pokémon is another good example of a series that once attracted mostly positivity, while nowadays it gets dunked on by many. Developers get complacent because their game is practically too big to fail, so no matter what they do, they'll always have a loyal following. It's easier and more profitable to do the bare minimum and lose a portion of your playerbase than to put in the effort and passion to make something that resonates with your main playerbase.

0:23 "Shut up about Birch" is the most Camman18 thing I've ever heard of.

Idk, i just clicked on this video just cause i was curious other videos you uploaded, the first one was the minecraft beta version ARG. Love the content, and i really love the way you edit, keep up the good work

"Safe from the dangers of online gaming" is the funniest phrase I've heard in a while xD

How people reacted to chat reporting really wasn't an unfair reaction. Missing out on a feature you wanted is one thing, but being permanently banned without good reason is unacceptable. Modders can, and have, added missing features to the game, often with better implementation than Mojang did. When it comes to being banned, it's entirely outside of you or the community's control. It's practically an anti-feature. With how nebulously it was implemented, the only way to be safe would be if they removed the chat function entirely.

You know, I've always considered myself a casual player in most games, though today you've pointed out that I'm not. When I'm not playing, I spend my time in communities around those games and discussing it with others, Minecraft and Apex specifically. Though both communities are suffering from the same mindset and don't appreciate the game, the devs or eachother. Although I am much more than a casual, I've always found myself excited at new features,no matter the game, I'm just happy to get more and see that it's still loved, but even I have found myself growing tired of the people who think they're above it all and that they know better. Everyone finds a reason to hate, and will not bow to a voice of reason, thank you for making this video.

Honestly the sheer scale of anger and disgust from the community burned me out for a while. Minecraft's definitely a game you can enjoy solo, but even being nearby a community that is constantly burning itself to the ground is tiring. Like, our discord had to be locked for a bit because two grown men were *screaming* at each other in voice over the fucking copper bulb thing. That's not healthy, and I know my group isn't the only one who has stories like that. Criticize things all you like, but holy hell you'd think 2020 taught us to look for tiny good things in a bigger catastrophe.

I legitimately don't understand how you can list all of Mojang's failures and lies and then immediately come to the conclusion that no, it's the community that's wrong.

Short answer: Microsoft. Long answer: It’s definitely because of how corporate the Minecraft brand has become. They no longer allow C418 to make music without getting their grimy hands all over the rights to his songs, their Instagram page is full of these shitty “corporate veneer” infographics, and Mojang as a whole has been keeping it safe while updating their game, adding mobs that, while cool and fresh on the surface, only have one specific niche use each. What happened to updates like 1.16? We need more fantasy creatures, not more real life animals. Also they need to just get rid of the mob vote it clearly causes too much controversy for it to ever be worthwhile. The recent updates haven’t added to the game; they’ve cluttered it. And ALL this isn’t even including horrible updates like 1.19’s chat reporting AND all of the recent rushed updates cause “oh man, we gotta release bi-annual updates so our game can remain relevant!” like- yes they’ve gotten better at this but it sucks when they over-promise and then under-deliver (insert firefly reference here). Minecraft is ultimately too big to fail but Microsoft needs to stop shoving random IP’s into their game to sell on the fucking bedrock marketplace and instead take their time and make good updates. They had a streak going from 2019-2021. I just wish they’d set their priorities straight. All of this corporatization from microsoft and poor communication from mojang just made the playerbase so jaded that we’ve returned to really bad levels of toxicity.. it’s unfortunate, really.

As much as I agree with this video, there is no excuse for one of the largest games to be so depraved of proper care and attention to detail by it's own developers. I think the community shouldn't be as hateful as it is, but it's very difficult when Mojang has completely shifted to this very corporate and accusatory demeanor towards the community. They should be better prepared for displeasure. You also did not touch on how Mojang literally had some popular creators under an NDA to shill the chat reporting. This is not acceptable and is a clear conflict of interest. Mojang has simply turned very corporate and as a result it has (rightfully in my opinion) got quite a bit of heat on itself. It's not acceptable to just chalk up the community as "toxic" when the devs themselves are putting fuel to that fire, obviously maliciously.

For me, one of iconic toxic Minecraft community's is harrassing players who turned on the keep inventory feature when playing survival mode. For anyone who read this please don't do that! Any Minecraft player have rights to play Minecraft with keep inventory turned on. Not all players can be a pro player like the veterans, some of them just want to have fun.

This video explains why I stopped discussing online and using reddit as it felt all the subs of my favorite things just became super negative echo chambers

Individual modders outshine mojang and add more content without any sort of pay, complaining about "crunch time" to add reskinned wood is wild to me

I Genuinely think the root of the problem is Mojang. They have continued to leave speculation for how a feature would be implemented, they should state the intentions of how far it would go. I think that's why the Crab Claw among discussion communities and thus polls was winning; speculation for it was high in spite of mojang actually being fairly clear. Also like, the Armadillo won off the wolf armour, hence won off the back of the mob vote so it's not the general playerbase. Actual Number of votes compared to the overall amount of people who play minecraft are small. (for the record, I voted penguin - felt there was least room for over-enthusiastic speculation and gave flavour to a biome that is unlikely to ever get one) The negativity arises from discussion and critiques about Mojang, and the more they repeat to fail to take into account critiques the more the negativity becomes entrenched as genuinely something that is just negative from the get-go. Chat reporting came at a bad time, but it also showcased Mojang breaking the vague agreements it had of community self-moderation within reason, essentially they broke the Community trust in a large way because they no longer gave the community the autonomy to moderate when minecraft appeals to a very wide audience of people; much of them full adults whilst the aim of "protecting" the community was towards the (i'm pretty sure) minority population of children - where generally societally the responsibility is, should be, and has to be with the parents.

Recently, I've felt really disappointed with Mojang for the meager features in new updates and the promises they failed to deliver. Of course, these feelings are valid, but I now realise that listening to others browbeat Mojang over and over again has caused that feeling of disappointment to fester into frustration and resentment. This video was really eye-opening and it made me realise just how good the internet is at amplifying toxicity, and how my negative feelings were more spurred on my the toxic comments from the community rather than by the developers themselves. So Thank You, RetroGamingNow, for this wake-up call.

I don't agree with "we control it's future" you couldn't control a mob vote let alone the whole thing

Bringing up the disparity between the people active in the community ("high affinity users" as Bionicle writer Greg Farshtey would call them) and more casual players was a really good point. The high affinity sphere is always gonna be the minority, even if less so for Minecraft than something like LEGO.

I think that the only reason that the community is so toxic is how little the updates add. We wait a full year for updates, just for mojang (or some higher ups not allowing ideas the devs had to be put into the game until those ideas go through a long process of higher ups agreeing that it is a feature that they even want the devs to work on) to produce content that other games make in less than 3 months.

A thought provoking video that goes beyond just minecraft. Love to see it

You aren't the only one who's been seeing things like this. For some reason, I was lately being recommended so many videos that all say the same thing: "Minecraft sucks, Minecraft isn't fun anymore, Minecraft is dying." It gets annoying to hear those same things over and over again. I'm just hoping all this drama within the community subsides soon

I would have to agree with you until you got to the section about how people were overestimating the danger of the reporting system. The community was fine handling itself and if you wanted to restrict the options listed there you could for your own server, there was nothing forcing you to not swear unless the server put in a restriction but now if somebody reports you even if the server allows the action you can still get banned. This was probably one of the worst changes they have made in relation to multiplayer.

i think you made a very good point with "online discussion and fan culture is an isolated group of a larger set of players in general", because nobody really considers that. You talk to the people on an official discord, or on a subreddit, or even the scattered groups on twitter, and while some things may stretch across, theres a lot that the common player doesnt know.

Thank you for bringing this to my attention! I'd been actively avoiding watching minecraft content for the exact reasons you were discussing in your video. I haven't played Minecraft in recent months, but I hope Mojang and the community can bring this game back around for another couple years in the limelight

I kinda hate the implementation of mangrove swaps they have shown us how you would be able to cruise trough them on boats and it looked really cool but in the actual game they are quite empty boring and with no water paths

i clicked on this video because it was uploaded by you, not because of any negativity. but i don't really like the way this video came across, it felt like it was talking down to people that didn't overreact but still feel upset with mojang. i don't hate mojang and i'm rarely vocal about my disappointment, i've just lost faith in mojang and gained more respect for mod creators instead.

Game development is hard but so is any other job, imagine your doctor messes up and is like "well being a doctor ain't easy don't blame me"

One great thing too is that you can always go back a few versions, and sometimes, you might wanna stay bad updates can't affect you if you're playing your ideal version of the game

I love that how little and how meaningles things tore apart the mc community

"hey guys, firefly are poisonous to frogs so we are scrapping the mob" water is poisonous to endermen, go ahead and remove water... creepers and zombies and pain in general are all very bad for the player, you might want to remove all the enemies in the game actually, also remove fall damage. and because pain is a bad thing go ahead and remove weapons/tools. the "fireflies being poisonous" is such a shallow reason. Edit: fixed the spelling of "Fireflies" I haven't been able to spell anything for the past few days.

So far here are all of my issues with Minecraft: -They refused to add sharks because they didn't want people to go out and attempt to kill sharks, very stupid reason in my opinion, no sane person would do that. And if *anyone* actually went out and did that, I can assure you that it wasn't Minecraft that inspired them, it was a severe mental illness. -They refused to make dolphins rideable because they didn't want people to go try that in real life, once again, only a mental illness would inspire such behavior. -They removed fireflies because they're "poisonous to frogs" but then turned around and made them able to eat creatures made of molten rock and be fine. Also, in real life, frogs simply don't care if what they eat is poisonous or not, they will eat wasps and fire ants and not care. Only if something is immediately hurting a frog and the frog doesn't have a high enough pain tolerance will it spit it out. -Although taking time to update things is important, and although they are entitled to take their time if they feel like they need to. The amount of time vs. the amount of content and the quality of it being produced, along with the organization of it is ABYSMAL. They have way too much time to do these things and they still manage to mess it up. -Another reason they take so long with updates in comparison to mod developers is because they want what they add to "feel vanilla". Yet they turn around and add the sniffer, quite possibly the one thing that stands out the most in Minecraft. -The mob vote. I actually don't have the same issues with it as everyone else, my problem is much different. The mobs they present us with don't have any actual desirable functionalities, and not only that but they just don't look right. They don't feel like they belong in the game at all. The Glow Squid, the Sniffer, the Rascal, the Tuff Golem, the Penguin, the Crab, etc. I feel like they should add more fantasy-based mobs that actually fit into the game and the lore of the game, and most importantly LOOK like they fit into the game. I also feel like they shouldn't allow votes from big influencers to count in the mob votes, that they should do more thorough checks on who's voting and why they're voting, maybe ask them trick-questions that take effort to bypass. -Finally, the over-political injections into the game, like in the splash-text. I know there are resource packs that remove political splash-text (at least I hope there are). But I feel like it should be optional if you want to see splash-text that says "support this community!", it's not even asking you to, it's *TELLING* you to.

It's honestly so exhausting, nothing about the game has really been ruined for me, jush that some updates have been better than others. It's exhausting that everytime I want to see what others in the community are doing with the game, people are acting like it's the end of the world.

Bro this video is so good and i hope that this video has a good impact, keep it going

12:32 the reason everyone blew chat reporting out of proportion was warranted because IT WAS BEING FORCED ON TO US if we could disable it things would be different but since we could and had to wait for plugin creatorsto make it possible to be disabled and mojang decided to go radio silent after realeasing one of the most controversial changes in its history people were rightly upset

I agree that hate isnt good, but Mojang could have done so much more with the game. It is Mojang doing this, not the people, the people are reacting to something that they believe is a problem.

the best way I can describe the minecraft community is spoiled, ungrateful, toxic, rude, angry, and whiny as hell. they're like a 5 year old spoiled kid who cries gallons of tears because it isnt what they wanted, and I mean that as an insult to them. not to mention a incident of some fans attacking a dev as well. but in general the community needs anger management classes because its ridiculous. like criticism and disliking certain things that mojang does is justifiable, but if it includes death threats, hoping they lose their jobs, or say something even worse is not a justifiable complaint. in the end I will say that the minecraft community is eating itself alive

The thing i dislike about Mojang and whats fuelling the negativity in the community to me is: They keep adding or don't add stuff because what happens in the real world. But then have features or changes that make no sense. For example, *The Aquatic update.* Sharks weren't added because sharks are miss understood and they don't want people in IRL hunt them down. Yet you can tame a wild animal AKA a wolf, an animal that is hostile to people IRL... a feature where we can ride dolphins, something humans do IRL. Was rejected because animal cruelty... yet theres an achievement in the game where you ride a pig off a mountain or how farms in minecraft look exactly like IRL farms that are cruel to animals. If you're not gonna add a Shark because animal cruelty, add a mythical shark like a zombie shark or some other hostile aquatic creature that roam the oceans at random. I do think the community has gotten more toxic because of Mojang. People are getting more upset because Mojang give dumb excuses, aren't adding new and fun gimmicks to mobs compare to the first mob vote, for example. Look at the Sniffer, I have yet to see that mob in survival. So you'll have a wave of people who wanted the other mobs are now stuck with a mob they'd never seen unless in creative. Then come to the combat, bosses, performance/optimization, and how theres a lack of interesting servers. Just making a sour taste in people mouths. Heck, how Mojang doesnt give Java Bedrock features that the mod *Essentials* did. Why do i have to pay to make a world so my friends can join?

While I understand your perspective, I think you miss an important aspect of the conversation: is the criticism and negativity deserved? As you described in the video, Mojang over-promised then failed to deliver on multiple updates. Chat reporting has legitimate concerns with how it could be abused. Then there’s the mob votes, and the EULA changes. It’s hard to blame people for being negative when it’s due to Mojang’s poor decision making, though certainly the negativity is not a good thing. A negative community, as you say, tends to perpetuate and become worse (believe me I know, since I’m a destiny fan). We can work to make it a more positive one, and focus on what is good about the game, but in my mind it’s ultimately on Mojang to turn community sentiment around

Porque no los dos? We need to be a less toxic community, yes, but also not take the corporate gaslighting from Mojang. They owe it to the player base to make right their broken promises, or at least not continue repeating their mistakes. They have not done as badly as the birch forest again, but they still continue the mob votes without change. Since the phantom, there have been loud criticisms of the mob votes: their opacity to the mobs' features, their controversy, their perceived loss of losing mobs, etc. It wouldn't be hard to try some small changes to the formula to make them turn out better, but the most recent vote was a highlight of all that people hated about the past mob votes. If Mojang felt like a devteam we could trust, like they did a few years ago, this would all be much easier to take, but they've continued eroding the community's trust. Every public response we get feels like condescension. They see us as children, and in fairness some of us are, but it does a number on the ability to trust them when it's clear they think our feedback is nothing more than background noise to occasionally take notice of.

Exactly, I'm a Minecraft casual player. And it's fun. I've pulled some stuff. In Minecraft, that are honestly pretty intense and fun to do. The game is pretty great. And just because you're mad about the new features doesn't mean you can't enjoy it. You're still able to do everything from completing complex Redstone machines looting an ancient city with stone tools.

bro said what I've been thinking for a LONG time. GG RetroGaming. You're a real one

Minecraft used to be so nice, simple and peaceful, it still is but not as much as before. I remember coming home from school everyday and just enjoying minecraft, I rarely see anyone do that anymore. Everything's all about speedrunning, complaining about how bad the devs over at mojang are, and speedrunning some more. Thanks for making this video, I know a lot of people are gonna realize that sometimes you just gotta take a chill pill.

I do believe the community have gotten worse, and I do believe Mojang's decisions like Chat Reporting, Over promising, removing planned features, and of course, the mob vote, caused this. I really hope the community grows and matures, and learns to become less negative. It's honestly really tiring to see videos like "Minecraft is Dying!" or "Minecraft is Dead!" Thank you for shining a light on this topic, the community needs someone like you.

I like on how adding fire flies for frogs to eat are "unrealistic" even though if you break a piece of wood on a tree the tree won't fall. I guess Minecraft prefers biology over physics.

I agree with a lot of this video, I've felt lately that the Minecraft community has been so negative that I wonder why some still play the game at all. Minor correction though, the frogs and mangrove swamps along with the chest boats were minecraft features that lost in a vote, but have since been added. So there is hope vote losers will get added in the future. However to my knowledge, this only happened once. So there's still only a slim chance.

The ending was overly romanticized and ignorant. Mojang actually has ignored serious problems for years, and I’m not talking about overpromising. I personally could care less about fireflies. But the optimization sucks, the chat reporting was very poorly implemented, and their communication has been poor for a long time now. The mob vote thing was also really annoying, as there are games that have done creature votes WAY better (it may be one of the only things Ark: Survival Evolved’s team has done better). They could use those other votes as better examples of how to do it if need be. The chat reporting also had an exploit that let people fake messages, and there are still ways you can fudge it. So it’s not just that they overpromise, their coding itself is objectively subpar for these important pieces of code.

the worst part of the chat reporting is that you could get banned by doing stuff ALONE in a singleplayer world. You do not have the freedom to do whatever you want in a singleplayer world, where there's no one else.

This exact same thing happened to TF2, I love Minecraft but good god Mojang you gotta lock in

I haven’t played Minecraft in years, the last time of which being on your SMP (Thankyou for the amazing memories btw mate) but for some reason I still watch ur videos when I have the time because I j feel pride in seeing how far you’ve come from your very first videos.