We Need To Talk About This Chord Progression

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So there's this chord progression that's been used for decades in hundreds of hit songs. It's a four-chord loop and... No, not that one. The other one. The one we never talk about even though it's quietly taken over the airwaves, establishing itself as one of the most important loops in popular music history. It's called the Plagal Cascade, or at least that's what I call it, and you've probably heard it a million times but as far as I could find it doesn't exist in the theory literature, so I'm fixing that. If a RU-vid video counts as literature. Which I'd argue it does, but... ok I'm getting off topic here, let's talk about chords.
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@12tone 3 года назад

Some additional thoughts/corrections: 1) So, funny story. I've been digging into this for weeks, and right before publishing this video I finally found a 2015 paper that's kinda sorta talking about this? Not directly, but you can extrapolate some of my arguments from it if you want. I don't think I got completely scooped here or anything, I'm adding plenty of new stuff to the conversation, but I still want to recognize the work that's been done in the area so you can check out that paper here: www.macromusic.org/journal/volume4/09_Musical_Insights_Vol_4.pdf 2) There's also a broad corpus study at digitalwindow.vassar.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1387&context=senior_capstone that briefly mentions it, but without any specific interrogation. All this to say that, while I'm glad I hedged a little on the whole "I discovered this!" thing because technically prior documentation exists, I still think I deserve at least some credit for it. 3) I wanted to include a clip from Mad World at the beginning but it got caught by the copyright bot and I didn't feel like it was central enough to be worth fighting over. Sorry. 4) As you can probably tell from the number of times I said "last week" when the video I was referring to was two weeks ago, this video was supposed to come out last week. Scheduling stuff pushed it back and I didn't feel like rerecording 'cause I'm lazy and, in the grand scheme of things, what even is a week, y'know? 5) If you want to see this loop in action, Benny from Axis Of Awesome did a medley of 10 songs with it: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-83aqGYsRgAY.html

@FelixLarios1234 3 года назад

Hey 12tone I always had a question, why is the Avengers theme song so interesting and how can I make my own

@normaldefault2206 3 года назад

@@FelixLarios1234 You might wanna check out Sideways' channel, I'm like 80% sure they've covered this question or something similar before multiple times ru-vid.com/show-UCi7l9chXMljpUft67vw78qw

@zozzy4630 3 года назад

So, another commenter and I were discussing how the minor rotation seems to be used in both Dorian and Aeolian: "What I've Done" by Linkin Park uses a b6 in the melody, while "Radioactive" by Imagine Dragons uses a ♮6. I'm also pretty sure they use the correct respective IV chord (i.e. minor for LP and major for ID), although it's a little hard to tell. Does that have any ramifications on all of this? Has anyone started the Dorian version halfway through and made a Lydian counterpart to the major rotation? And I also wonder if anyone's done a song that switches between both modes (maybe just using a power chord for IV in the minor loop), or if there's an analogy for the Axis loop. Since the minor Axis progression has a built-in b6 it would probably be a bit of a challenge to use it in Dorian, but you could conceivably turn the bVII chord minor and make it Phrygian.

@MrAestas 3 года назад

I so love what you do and how you do it. Thank you and I'm very glad to know this awsome niche of The Internet

@baylinkdashyt 3 года назад

META: I note you've changed the show open, and I gotta say, I like the old 5-beat version better...

@JohnL2112 3 года назад

It’s the “I only know these chords on guitar” progression

@LawrinMaxwellsmpc500 3 года назад

Lol facts

@rickc2102 3 года назад

As a guitarist, I'm gonna blame this on standard tuning.

@JeighNeither 3 года назад

Yeah, that's just because you only play guitar. If you also played piano, you would likely see this folly perspective as the guitar bias it is. I'd wager 80% of those 115 likes also only play guitar. This progression is no more or less difficult or practical on either instrument.

@Sam-qc6sz 3 года назад

@@JeighNeither You are objectively wrong Because they are 116 likes

@ipecacisgoodforyou8128 3 года назад

@@JeighNeither is it so out there to assume that guitar has ad a bigger influence than piano in the developement of modern pop music?

@michaelsmusic3532 3 года назад

yeah that's it lol

@Cloiss_ 3 года назад

see also Adam Neely's video on Hey Joe. what instrument a song is written on has a huge effect on how it's written

@joedude667 3 года назад

I can't believe you didn't end this video with ""Anyway, here's wonderwall".

@kenyonj7957 3 года назад

I completely agreeee

@LisaSmith-yb2uz 3 года назад

😂

@captainalex8003 3 года назад

He didn't need to.

@zorbanongreco 3 года назад

So glad he didn't. 🐂💨 💨 💨 💨

@jstrandquist 3 года назад

Another interesting thing to note about this progression (and its relative the Axis progression) is that it can very easily be played using the basic open chords on a guitar in standard tuning. For a rock-oriented beginning guitarist, E/Em, A/Am, G, D, and C are probably the very first chords they learn. This means that songs using the plagal cascade and the Axis progression are both easy to learn and easy to write with minimal experience. They also translate well to another popular and easy rock technique, power chords. When you combine this ease of access with their suitability for rock/pop styles, it's no surprise that they're among the most popular of chord progressions.

@ZipplyZane 3 года назад

And, of course, if they want them in other keys, they can just use a capo.

@beneathpavement1 3 года назад

Yep, see also that Scandinavian guitar dude who talks about what makes rock song rock songs for 15 minutes using all manner of music theory, then at the end points out that all of the stuff he was talking about involves open major chords. Rock is dumb, rockers don't understand theory, we play guitars.

@maximiliangfrorer1039 3 года назад

@@beneathpavement1 on the point. Rock is more about the lyrics and the energy!

@dyscotopia Год назад

@@maximiliangfrorer1039 after watching enough 12 tone videos, I hesitate to call any particular type of music dumb. Easy to play does not equal dumb. Even when using common progressions,. most memorable rock, or hip hop or pop song do a lot of interesting things. Some can be notated, like syncopation and melodies that seem to be in contrasting keys to the harmony, while far more others, like timbre and lyrical intonation and swing are harder. Layering and chaining a number of different "easy" parts can create a very musically satisfying piece. As an electronic musician, there's a lot of repetitive, minimal stuff out tthat is just all timbre and production trickery. Is it dumb? Probably not, but it's boring to my ears

@thatoneguy6346 3 года назад

Imagine his sheet music doodles were the only evidence of human existence

@yking7681 3 года назад

Those aliens would know everything about us, but they would think we were elephants.

@michaelsmusic3532 3 года назад

omg !!!! lololol That's funny

@jasonberezny9705 3 года назад

🤣🤘❤️🇨🇦

@theloniouscoltrane3778 3 года назад

Made my day! Thanks

@yourguidefortheday928 3 года назад

We were elephant people who wrote language right to left in large multi definitioned glyphs, and wrote Math left to right in series of circles lines and smaller glyphs. Also even though language took up most of our writing we format our writing material to be optimized for maths

@thomasmurphy8749 3 года назад

"Did you ever hear the tragedy of Darth Plagal the Cascade?"

@effiefs9561 3 года назад

Underrated comment

@sean_mccadden 3 года назад

“He had abilities to play music that were known to be quite unnatural”

@oatnoid 3 года назад

Yes, it happened on the planet Armeniar VII didn't it? Or was that Star Trek?

@semblanceofmagic4760 3 года назад

Literally laughed out loud!

@korayacar1444 3 года назад

"It's not a story the Common Practice would tell you."

@cedargross2539 3 года назад

I feel like we should call it the Allied progression

@Domitianvs 3 года назад

This definitely needs more likes.

@fly4doe2 2 года назад

@@Domitianvs Yuckitie yuk yuck...a WWII reference. Right on. BTW, anybody feel like Germany has entered into a non-aggression pact with Russia again....say in 1/2022?

@TristanAlricMusic 3 года назад

If you're looking for an actual minor, early, "looping" example of this chord progression, check out Serge Gainsbourg's "Bonnie and Clyde" from 1968 ! It's a song that I always thought sounded remarkably modern, and the chords are definitely part of that.

@Appers 3 года назад

Absolute incredible banger as well.

@Phoenixhunter157 3 года назад

Aghhh! Love that song! Was listening to it last night! ❤️

@koala2072 3 года назад

Yes, I was thinking of this song as well. It's an all time classic for us French. I personnally also love the song White as diamonds by American folk singer Alela Diane that uses this progression.

@zorbanongreco 3 года назад

@Tristan. Good call ! 🐂💨 💨 💨 💨

@joshua.t.harvey 3 года назад

That’s a killer song (so to speak)!

@davidmckean955 3 года назад

I've just always thought of this chord progression as being Dorian. Or at least that's how I've come about playing it on my own.

@zozzy4630 3 года назад

Technically it would be dorian on its own because the IV chord is major, but it tends to be used under the natural minor scale (take "What I've Done" by Linkin Park for example, where he hits the b6 scale degree in the melody during the chorus ["...what I've done/ I'll fix MY-self"]). A counter-example (where the melody is also dorian) is "Radioactive": "...wo-o-o-oah, I'm radioac-TIVE, RADIOAC-tive" really leans into that ♮6th.

@danielmirandacastro7161 3 года назад

Its pretty hard to hear it as a Dorian progression tho cause the 2nd chord is bIII and this really attaches you to the minor key. Last chord could be seen as modal interchange tho

@zozzy4630 3 года назад

@@danielmirandacastro7161 Dorian also has a bIII (dorian would be the diatonic scale starting on re, so that's the major triad on fa). The last chord could definitely be analyzed as borrowed from Dorian if the melody sticks to a b6 degree (as in natural minor) but the chord loop uses a major IV chord instead of the minor iv chord in minor.

@danielmirandacastro7161 3 года назад

@@zozzy4630 I'm not saying the bIII chord doesn't exist in Dorian, I'm saying it really pushes you towards minor Also you don't have to play the b6 in the melody to consider a IV chord a modal interchange (I mean actually you should avoid that there's a natural 6th in your chord), the fact that you're using the IV chord without truly leaving the previous key is the definition of modal interchange

@danielmirandacastro7161 3 года назад

Just try by yourself, play some natural 6ths over Boulevard of broken dreams and taste the spicy spicy dorian flavor in a minor key tune (I love this sound Hehe)

@VicDealio 3 года назад

For those who know the four chords of pop from Axis of Awesome (or just like mashups), their keyboardist has a video mashing up songs that use this progression. It's on his channel BennyTheJukebox and is called Another Four Chords.

@onei3411 3 года назад

"After all, I'm only human..." **draws an elephant**

@hallamhal 3 года назад

I don't believe that anybody feels the way I do about this chord progression

@ata5855 3 года назад

well-played

@mickeyburns3494 3 года назад

Maybe...

@lucyfer_the_bat 7 месяцев назад

never really had a doubt

@URKillingme100 3 года назад

Any chord progression is stable as long as David Bowie is singing over it.

@jd_elderberry 3 года назад

Lol right

@krystalwolf1383 3 года назад

And Jacob Collier is composing it

@adamstricoff9708 3 года назад

Blackstar animal !

@jackinzone8961 3 года назад

Yes

@itscarl0zyall1 3 года назад

Or Johny Cash

@TheWittleBabby 3 года назад

This is my “lets see if I’m in tune” progression and I had no clue it was actually used in songs.

@lucifermorningstar1902 3 года назад

First song that popped I into my head when I saw this progression was Boulevard of broken dreams

@akashvenkatesh02 3 года назад

Exactly!!!!

@burpie3258 3 года назад

YES

@GammaFZ 3 года назад

this and hey joe by hendrix too

@Eichro 3 года назад

same key, too

@Griwes 3 года назад

I saw "somebody" coming from a mile away and your execution of that part still landed perfectly. Kudos!

@olipolygon 3 года назад

i love the name "plagal cascade" but i can't stop thinking about half-life "I never thought I'd see a plagal cascade, let alone create one..."

@somedude5414 3 года назад

Hurry up, Gordon!

@shanerichins3532 3 года назад

This is one of the best 12 tones. I love that progression, although I’ve just thought of it as Dorian. It’s a great progression for jam songs. Everyone just seems to click when you chose a song with that progression.

@loveloss8590 3 года назад

Agree with all of the “Dorian” comments... to me this is the “Dorian” progression.

@adamgillespie3393 3 года назад

The melody is never specifically Dorian though so that doesn't work

@sssjaeger 3 года назад

I think it might be easier to think of it as the IV chord being borrowed from the dorian mode

@RiffMusic1970 3 года назад

@@sssjaeger Interesting. What mode would you consider in to have to borrow from Dorian?

@TimPauls 3 года назад

I too was thinking this is just an E Dorian progression. (D major with emphasis on the 2nd degree: E) but I like all this other stuff. Very cool. But it is Dorian. Harmonized scale of Dorian is: Imi, IImi, bIIIMaj, IVMaj, Vmi, Vidim, bVIIMaj... The progression (chord loop) here being: Imi, bIIIMaj, bVIIMaj, IVMaj. You could also think of it as a 2-5 progression with a cadence preceding the 5 chord. Really giving you that Dorian sound.

@TimPauls 3 года назад

@@adamgillespie3393 even if the melody is not specifically Dorian are not the chords enough to determine the key. I'm just wondering what I'm missing. To me this is totally a Imi, bIIIMaj, bVIIMaj, IVMaj progression or loop. All the chords are from the key center of D major, with the emphasis on the E minor. I would only need two chords E minor to A major to identify it as a Dorian sound (a II-V progression)

@Rome.Monroe 3 года назад

It’s just a standard Dorian progression to me. I always called the “melancholy chord progression.”

@reineh3477 3 года назад

Dorian was my first thought too

@chrisharsch2826 3 года назад

You need to know that I’ve been searching for the title of “Pictures of Matchstick Men” for YEARS. Thank you!!

@zorbanongreco 3 года назад

🙄? they sing the title a lot in that song !! 🐂💨 💨 💨

@tompw3141 3 года назад

6:08 that's some fluid equation writing.

@janmelantu7490 3 года назад

I was not expecting Fluid Dynamics in a music theory explainer but Air is a fluid and music has dynamics

@giuseppedominici7097 3 года назад

@@janmelantu7490 makes sense.

@LAM1895 3 года назад

Not to mention he wrote it backwards, probably because he is left handed

@freds2052 3 года назад

I just wanna chime in and say that i really appreciate the analytical approach you share in these videos. I take an experimental approach to my composition process (which is to say that analysis always comes later at the expense of trial and error), so it is always fascinating and enlightening to hear your perspective on these things from more of a pattern-recognition angle. So so so cool!

@760Piper 3 года назад

Bryan Adams "Run to You". I always loved that chord progression. Now I now why!!

@chadpollet7452 3 года назад

Thank you! I was hoping someone would mention that song!

@federicogatto2635 3 года назад

Yeaaaahhh

@Armakk 3 года назад

When the feeling's right...

@seanfitz81 3 года назад

I'm gonna run all nighttt

@zoltannemeth8864 3 года назад

“I’m gonna run to you (tube)...”

@zozzy4630 3 года назад

In your video on "What I've Done," I noticed that you could flip the progression to major and it ends up being "All Star." I wish I'd thought that observation was profound enough to comment about it back then so I had proof, but it's true.

@glennpagemusic 3 года назад

Oh my god, I ALWAYS talk about this progression. It's one of my favorites, and it appears in lots of popular songs in the last 12 years or so. Duran Duran has used it a billion times, along with One Republic, Imagine Dragons, Tears for Fears, etc. I always assumed it was effective because it starts off sounding like it's d minor, then sounds like it might be F major, then sounds like it could be C major, or some weird cross between d dorian and C major. It always has a wistful, semi-melancholy feel when stripped to the bare harmony. Will watch the video now to see what you say!

@pamspray5254 3 года назад

SAME! Legit one of my favorite chord progressions to play around with. It's also one of the easiest to play on guitar, I've found.

@RobWickline 3 года назад

I've always thought of this progression as the rock version of a I-vi-ii-V. its like that classic jazz progression but flipped upside down because why not, its rock and roll and we dont care about rules

@Armakk 3 года назад

This channel has proven my long-standing thesis that all the open chords on a standard-tuned guitar can be played in any arbitrary order and sound just fine. This video is the period on that sentence.

@AwesometownUSA 3 года назад

Dude, nice find. I’ve known of this connection for over a decade, but the video explains it well, in a super-creative way - I hate how this channel reveals all my secret music tricks I’ve been using forever, but great job! haha:)

@Rachel-nc8kp 3 года назад

I believe "Jane" by Jefferson Starship used this progression. That would be 1979ish.💋

@cfibb 3 года назад

True! Also “Calling Dr. Love” (Kiss, 1976).

@rknisple 3 года назад

I spent a while looking for someone else who noticed this! Great tune. 👍

@Brigand231 3 года назад

I care. I find it all fascinating. Your breakdowns are for music like what understanding the power of dividing by two or ten are to math - they help me see relationships between elements that I would never had dared to pursue before. While there's not much practical application for me as I'm not a songwriter, it helps me better understand patterns I hear in music, which helps me catch when someone does something tricky in a song like resolve to a different chord than I was expecting or break their established rhythm to change the feeling of the moment when it happens. It's not something tangible I can even articulate how it goes over in my head, but it brings added enjoyment to music. Add to that, ever since you explained the skill of listening exclusively, tuning parts of a song out to hear other parts that are not as emphasized, I've come to appreciate bass a heck of a lot more and that too helps make parts of music that I was oblivious to suddenly "visible" to my ears. A good example of a song that takes on so much more meaning and enjoyment is (ironically) "Listen" by Collective Soul when I apply a lot of what I've learned to listen for. I guess what I'm saying in my ineloquent way is thanks for making your videos available to everyone. My life is better for viewing them.

@igorseabra4 3 года назад

This is my favourite chord progression! I called it the Wonderwall chord progression since it's (at least in my head) the song that gave it prominence. A song with it is likely to become one of my favourites (and also its variation without the second chord, becoming Em-D-A). If you look up 'ii IV I V chord progression' on Spotify you'll probably find my playlist with songs that use it

@alexisandersen1392 3 года назад

Hey, I was just listening to the progressions here, and I can't help but notice how evocative they are of the westminster chime sequences, and since these are such popular clock chime sequences, I imagine that music of the 20th century was greatly influenced by them, as immediately following the industrial revolution making such things affordable to the world at large we had generations of families growing up in homes that likely sported a clock with Westminster Chimes that inundated their daily lives with the prolific progressions sounding every 15 or 30 minutes. It's no coincidence that we now see it in so much modern music today. Neat. It's like a cultural ear worm. WE JUST CAN'T STOP HUMMING THAT DAMN CLOCK CHIME!

@einarssone 3 года назад

Helplessly Hoping by CSN also uses this progression, released in 1969.

@hannabaal150 3 года назад

Very distinctive styling, beautiful guitars.

@fansphill9856 3 года назад

can anybody tell me what going on 7:28? where did the a minor and c major come from?

@simmme 3 года назад

It's the same chord progression but in A minor starting on the 3rd chord (vii, G major)

@colinreynolds01 3 года назад

"Anyway, Here's Wonderwall.."

@fnjesusfreak 3 года назад

"What's a Wonderwall, anyway?"

@theburgersystem126 3 года назад

I said maybeeeeeeeee

@fnjesusfreak 3 года назад

@@theburgersystem126 You're gonna be the one that saves meeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

@theburgersystem126 3 года назад

@@fnjesusfreak and after aaalllllllllllllll

@patrickmurphy223 3 года назад

@@theburgersystem126 you’re my wonderwall!

@tashquantum 3 года назад

I am The Doctor by Murray Gold's progression is Dm Bb C Gm. It seems to be stable starting on both Dm & Gm despite having the i, iv, & V of G minor

@chipparkerson2701 3 года назад

The famous sweet home Alabama 3 chord loop is this with one less chord. It explains the bitonality everyone argues about.I bVII IV, is in a zillion songs and it's even more common or was more common the the 4 chord loops. Half of 80s hair bands and many others used it.

@JVR10893 3 года назад

My favorite version of this progression replaces the major IV at the end with a minor iv. It fits more neatly into natural minor, and it especially works well as a a pivot chord to set up a ii-V-i resolution into the next chromatic mediant (for example, starting in E minor, you can go with Em | G | D | Am for a bit, but then change the last go-around to Em | G | D | Am D | which then resolves to G minor, starting the chord loop over up a minor third from the original key).

@jacobsapple 3 года назад

“Alive” Pearl jam. The only reason i know this is because I’m in a cover band and Ive explained the prog to other members as the man in the box prog. Love ur channel!😀

@KevyNova 3 года назад

That was my first thought too. I covered that song with a band in 1991.

@Deiadara 2 года назад

I think it's E instead of Em in Alive

@saoirsecameron 3 года назад

I think what makes them feel stable to me is the use of relative modes. I hear the plagal cascade as Dorian/Ionian, whereas the Axis progression sounds Aeolian/Ionian. In theory you could maybe do a Phrygian/Ionian loop, although I imagine finding an example would be harder given Phrygian isn’t a commonly used mode, and iii isn’t super commonly used in major progressions either.

@nintendork64 3 года назад

I sometimes think of this as the Linkin Park Progression, since it shows up in so many of their songs.

@adk_studios 3 года назад

@@paulmcgrath6118 A lot of their tracks have this same progression

@adk_studios 3 года назад

@@paulmcgrath6118 I'm sorry. Its not exactly the same. I got this info from a video The Linkin Park Formulas By the channel Holistic songwriting Its an interesting video

@ericrakestraw664 3 года назад

9:44 -- "Nights in White Satin" by the Moody Blues sort of uses this progression.

@highpath4776 3 года назад

That draws on earlier classical roots (can never recall which one). What about the animals 'For You Love' ?

@seanfitz81 3 года назад

@@highpath4776 For Your Love is i - bIII - IV - iv

@susanbotsford9995 3 года назад

Nights In White Satin is really close, it's: em-DM-CM-GM-FM or i-VII-VI-III-bII I believe.

3 года назад

@@susanbotsford9995, no. Definitely not Dm. Em D Em D C G F Em

@thatbandcalledamanda 3 года назад

This chord progression can also be heard in Jimi Hendrix's "Hey Joe"

@KevyNova 3 года назад

Not quite. “Hey Joe” (written by Billy Roberts) is C G D A E E E E, all major chords.

@kirkrogers325 Год назад

I took music theory a very long time ago, but I remember thinking about the kinds of things that you are discussing. My thought was that chordal movement has to more to do with the environment around a chord rather than just it's placement in a static sequence. In other words, there are many possible "next" chords, and the possibilities are not bounded by fixed progressions but are instead influenced by "adjacencies". The current chord is "colored" by the chord before and the "next" chord's movement will be "colored" by this current chord instead of being aligned to a structured sequence. For instance, a Monet is more influenced by color and ambience at the expense of a sharply focused rendering based on a more formal scaffolding. Anyway, I am really enjoying this video!!

@something_different7632 3 года назад

9:58 The closest that I know of is Every Day is Exactly the Same by NIN, which uses E C G F (instead of Em C G F)

@SelfPropelledDestiny 3 года назад

Interesting one. Would you think this was III I V IV? Seems similar to an Andalusian Cadence with that III. That E Major is a chromatic mediant of C making a kind of cinematic feel but the E does still sound like home, which is strange.

@something_different7632 3 года назад

@@SelfPropelledDestiny Thanks for your reply. I'd say probably yes. Considering that G F and E are the last three chords of, as you said, the Andalusion Cadence (i-bVII-bVI-V in A Minor or vi-V-IV-III in its relative key, C Major). Alternatively, one could view the progression as just borrowing chords from the parallel key, E minor (C and G) and from E Phrygian (F). Hence making it I-bVI-bIII-bII since E seems to be the tonic/home.

@something_different7632 3 года назад

*Phrygian Dominant

@andreyaek2266 3 года назад

Good video! An additional potentially interesting fact, for those of us into just intonation: The axis loop cycles around the same tonic on the lattice, whereas the plagal cadence travels consistently east on the lattice. In other words, the former has a consistent tonic frequency, the latter pumps up by a syntobic comma each loop. This is solvable by the use of the Pythagorean minor third for the first chord. Or of course by palindrome looping instead of recursion looping, but that obviously changes the musical cadence drastically. Now someone go make all-star comma pump up into the sky. I can’t be bothered. 🙃

@alanparkinson4568 3 года назад

'Jane' - Jefferson Starship, 1979.

@highpath4776 3 года назад

White Rabbit was earlier and that fits too.

@Tsskyx 3 года назад

A long time ago, I played an online game called Ultimate Defense 2. In it, an intro chord progression played that went like this: G/D, D, Am/C, C. It works really well as a loop, and in fact, it's this exact progression, just beginning on the 3rd chord.

@Grimpung 3 года назад

FEEEEEEEEEEEEEED MY EYES

@derk.ex.machina 3 года назад

Jesus Christ 🙄

@zurielfernandes7670 3 года назад

NOW YOU'VE SEWN THEM SHUT!!!🤟

@austinford5937 3 года назад

Since the 90’s, I thought the line was “fear in my eyes” Love those mis heard lyrics.

@TruddStuddlerucker 3 года назад

Pumped Up Kicks is an interesting example since it’s in D major despite using the “minor” form of the progression, Em-G-D-A. Putting the tonic in the middle of the chord loop helps it loop smoothly since you don’t land on the tonic at a metrically appropriate point where it would feel resolved. Great video!

@ArtbyPaulPetro 3 года назад

the chorus of Kiss' "Calling Dr Love" 1977 is E, G, D, A

@ArtbyPaulPetro 3 года назад

@@eubarhibssib3258 ah some sources said 77 some 76. and you're right not the chorus lol i'm getting old!

@MaggaraMarine 3 года назад

Same with Detroit Rock City that uses a minor tonic. That would actually be an earlier example of the progression with a minor tonic than Mad World, because Detroit Rock City was released in 1976.

@Cloiss_ 3 года назад

This is really interesting - I never noticed that certain songs use the same chords in the same order, yet are in different keys that completely change how you hear the chords (Boulevard of Broken Dreams and Pumped Up Kicks, for example) The whole-step relation between those key centers reminds me of how some rock songs seem to be in both Minor and the relative Mixolydian at the same time, such as Sweet Child of Mine which seems to switch tonics in the middle despite not changing what notes are in the scale

@hunterb4399 3 года назад

I'm fascinated by relative numbering patterns for chord progressions! Interestingly, if we assume that the ionic major is called the 1, then this progression can be described as a 2-4-1-5

@kzeich 3 года назад

Or is it E Dorian 1374

@hunterb4399 3 года назад

@@kzeich Nice for sure, it's that as well! Perspective's craaazy maaaaan

@Syncop8rNZ 3 года назад

Or ii IV I V using upper case Roman Numerals for major and lower case for minor. But I too would say Dorian, thus i III VII IV.

@DeeFeeCee 3 года назад

My favorite chord progression is in Showtime (Original Mix) by Malcolm Brown. It's Cm Bb Eb Eb Fm Eb Bb G / Cm Bb Eb Eb F G Cm Cm. It repeats the III chord at the end of the 1st & 3rd sections & the i chord at the end. The G is out of place in this minor key, leading to a five-one transition that settles by playing the i chord again. Having these periods of repetition lets the listener rest & allows the chord progression to rebegin on the on-beat. The arpeggiation also solidifies the transitions & gives the minor key a happy tone.

@Gregorovitch144 3 года назад

I think the main riff from Jefferson Starship's Jane is Em-G-D-A, that's from '79. I'd say it's one of the most prominent examples of this.

@caseyspaos448 3 года назад

How about Ah Leah! By Donnie Iris?

@SteveBluescemi 9 месяцев назад

Yup, I immediately thought of "Wet Hot American Summer" when he played those chords

@mattcurtis4005 3 года назад

E-G-B-A are the open strings for a standard tuned bass, and the progression is also really easy to play on 2 strings fretting in a square pattern (or open strings in F# just fretting on the 2nd fret). So it's easy to "stumble upon" this progression.

@andyking894 3 года назад

Did you ever hear the tragedy of Darth Plagal Cascade, the Wise?

@steellemonstudios 3 года назад

He could actually... create... chord progressions?

@aaroncook4513 3 года назад

Lmaoooo some say he had the power to save the chord progressions he loved 😂😂

@steellemonstudios 3 года назад

@@aaroncook4513 Ha ha ha

@lzryd 3 года назад

The farce was strong even if his story has no major resolution. Chordially...

@damboq8329 3 года назад

I really like these videos about chord loops, they are so unique and it's such a cool and interesting model that really shaped the way I think about songs I'm so happy you keep making those

@rmdodsonbills 3 года назад

"Last week" and the relativity of time: This is RU-vid and these videos are going to be up for (presumably) years and so it is very likely that more people will see this video out of order from "last week's" video, immediately after the other video, years separated from the other, etc. so such references aren't really all that big of a deal. Those of us here and now might be confused but our compadres in the future will be "eh, whatever" about it.

@ineedvids92 3 года назад

your accessible explanations of loop theory are my absolute favourite, thanks for always digging in!

@christophergarmon3655 3 года назад

"when life gives you smash mouth" coffee spewing laugh...

@ryanpsencik6350 3 года назад

Curious: why are you referring to G as the b3 of Em? Wouldn't it be the 3, considering they are relative m/M?

@ernestmiramontes5807 3 года назад

“Alive” by Pearl Jam uses this progression as well.

@Track-Tor 3 года назад

Not exactly since the E is major.

@MmadA-lg6ix 3 года назад

@@Track-Tor Well, they had an example in the video that did that too.

@proculusjulius7035 3 года назад

Just discovered your channel, I'm impressed and subscribed. This is an awesome progression. Can't wait to do something crazy with it.

@hannhenry9215 3 года назад

A reference to Wishbone Ash?! Lovely.

@n3ssaya972 3 года назад

I was shocked and had to go back to make sure I heard it right.

@herrweiss2580 3 года назад

I have one of their albums, somewhere.

@StaleNachos 3 года назад

Mother of Pearl!

@wildrosecece 3 года назад

I remember the name

@mikelistman5263 3 года назад

This is really interesting. Thanks! I've been complaining to anyone who will listen about how a huge portion of pop songs recently are 4 chord cycles only, simply varying the melody to distinguish verse and chorus or other song parts. I see U2 as early pioneers of this form (e.g., with or without you), but pop music seems a bit tedious now as these loops dominate so much.

@stephenweigel 3 года назад

“Plagal Cascade” is a good name for this progression. Great job!!!

@lastofthe4horsemen279 3 года назад

He didn't make up the name So good job introducing you to it is that what you mean?

@edgarwalk5637 3 года назад

E G D A sounds good too. My name is Edgar, so I tried E D G A, which sounds good too. I think I might give song writing a go with some of these progressions. The last 2 videos have been a real eye opener. Thank you so much!

@kianvaziri6939 3 года назад

You forgot "Jane" by Jefferson Starship (1979)!

@stephanegenilloud1139 11 месяцев назад

The song Bonnie and Clyde (Serge Gainsbourg and Brigitte Bardot), released in 1968 revolves around that progression (Gm Bb F C)

@ohtamb 3 года назад

The chord loop in “Hello” by Adele is Em G D C

@NanoMan737400 3 года назад

Now that's interesting, since the chords being set up are D and C according to this loop theory, and D is the stronger one because of its position in the loop. I haven't heard the song, I wonder which chord actually feels like the root

@go4ryan 3 года назад

Bimodal rabbit/duck @4:56 is one of my most favorite doodles, I had to say it. Thanks for the great video!

@GrayBlood1331 3 года назад

00:06 this is how you get a copyright strike from, like, 80 million bands.

@MrGranitealchemist 3 года назад

Very interesting video well done! I’ve always viewed this progression as a 2-4-1-5. The 2 and 4 can be substituted with one another so the change between them isn’t drastic but the move to the G from the emin allows you navigate clockwise on the circle of 5ths 3 times, the third time placing you back on the tonal center. e-G-D-A-e. I’m a minor guy so I’d play some b Aeolian e Dorian f# Phrygian scales over this and if I was playing rhythm can mess around with substitutions. 1-3-6 2-4 5-7 --------------- 2 4 1 5 | 2 4 6 5 | 2 4 3 5 | e G D A | e G b A |e G f#A | And if you wanna get silly and go into a B section you can drop the e min after a couple measures and put the tonal center on G. e G D A x4 G b A f# G A D eflat5 D c#flat5 b A Anyways hope that made sense thanks again for the video and keep jamming everyone! I just used Uppercase for major and lowercase for minor.

@bryanvickers 3 года назад

"I....ohhhhhhh I'm still aliiiiive"

@simmme 3 года назад

That's the first song I thought of with this chord progression! Love Pearl Jam!

@y_fam_goeglyd 3 года назад

Wish I could be a patron, but I did go from you to Curiosity Stream/Nebula (thank you for notifying me of the "sale" price, I couldn't have done it otherwise) so I'll see you there. I do let ads run on your videos, assuming they're not the documentary length ones! I've actually seen an ad (clicked off it obviously) that was nearly (30 minutes long (and it was 1/2!) for a 60s video! No joke. YT is dreadful. I only hope that the rumour I heard that internal (to the video) ads have all the money going to YT isn't true!

@zatytom 3 года назад

A loop I've noticed that sounds pleasing and has come up a few times in songs which I've enjoyed is I III vi IV. The III chord is obviously non-diatonic and provides and authentic cadence to vi, and the plagal IV-I movement is obviously much weaker yet still seems to work. Does this loop fit loop theories well?

@MaggaraMarine 3 года назад

This loop also has a third possible tonic. If the chords are Em G D A, then starting the progression on A will often make A major sound like the tonic (A Em G D, or I v bVII IV). Play it with all major chords (A E G D), and it's the Natural Woman/Duran Duran - Rio progression. But even if you keep the E chord as minor, the A chord does sound like the tonic. This progression is used in Bitter Sweet Symphony, and Don't Tell Me by Madonna. Why A also works well as a tonic is because it's a sequence, basically a I V in two keys a whole step apart. I guess you could also see it as a variation of the I bVII IV progression that is very common in rock. Then again, this isn't far from the "original" I bIII bVII IV progression either - you just change the v to bIII (that BTW share two common tones which makes them sound fairly similar), and you have the progression that we originally started from (but with a major tonic).

@ferret8001 3 года назад

"I'm only human" *draws littol elephant*

@joey_outdoors 3 года назад

I'm amazed at how you can draw so well holding the sharpie the way you do. Long fingernails, too, and a fast talker. I had to check to see if my playback speed was more than 1x lol

@wareya 3 года назад

Can't wait for a teardown of IV-V-vi-I (bVI bVII i bIII), probably the most noticeable chord progression for me when I'm listening to video game music and metalcore.

@wareya 3 года назад

(one of the coolest things about this chord loop for me is how many songs with it end on a IV/bVI chord)

@punkkyle99 3 года назад

The amound of knowledge about modes in the comments pleases me. Proud of you guys.

@ianbailey8778 3 года назад

This is one of my favorite progressions. Blue Rodeo used it tremendously in the chorus of "Hasn't Hit Me Yet", so I urge anyone to check that out.

@teaguestarbuck 3 года назад

Authentic cadence resolutions are hard to find in pop music, but they're all over the development sections of baroque and (western) classical era pieces (where I believe they're known as circle progressions). The purpose of these progressions was often to create a sense of continuous motion that couldn't really be resolved until broken. In light of this, I'd suggest that an authentic cadence loop is inherently unstable, which is why we don't hear it much in pop music but do hear it in sections of composed music designed to explore more abstract and challenging sounds. However, if anyone knows of any songs that challenge that notion I'd love to hear them!

@marcelhaley-read6857 3 года назад

There are other progressions that are are unnamed that are actual good sounding unlike the pop 4 chords, please find them and explain them so I can die happy having those emotions, created from the specific progressions, explained

@lexscarlet 3 года назад

Don't worry about whether or not somebody discovers something New by the time they watch this video. Your videos always make me feel like a caveman discovering fire, helping me, for free, discover nuance you can't PAY for, so even if it's widely know by then, this is still non-negotiable canon. I've always had the curiosity of coming up with a universal curriculum of sorts, mining for the best content to teach every discernible fraction of a concept. You and Adam mealy would definitely be included in the Doomsday learning bunker. Also, you ended the video with a question of whether or not you've seen or heard these progressions anywhere in the wild. Until that question is answered, it might be pretty sweet if you and Andrew Huang (or whoever does that four producers one sample thing) got together and did a sort of collab on that question. They just did one recently that challenged producers to use like the third mode or something and compose entirely in it, and some of the results were astounding.

@henrydoesart158 3 года назад

The “somebody” transition around 6:40 is truly iconic lmfaooo

@SamirMaamari 3 года назад

I like the idea of "generalizing the theory ".. So I would see this simply as an E Dorian progression. So we're in the Key of B minor, and we could use the B natural minor scale, and it will sound Dorian because the chords are already doing the job to make it sound Dorian. But we could also play E Dorian or Em6 arpeggios to target the Dorian sound. And we definitely could also use other modes for each chords. Cheers!

@mwmcbroom 3 года назад

Before I was educated in music theory I thought Dorian *was* minor. So, to me, this is ordinary sounding. Oh, and since we're in the key of Em, a G chord is not a bIII and a D chord is not a bVII. Calling them flats is presupposing they are deviations in a major key.

@christianlabanca5377 3 года назад

Was not expecting to find fluid dynamics over here but I'm pleased

@pdreding 3 года назад

Wait, isn't this basically the ii-V-I progression backwards?

@manateepink9100 3 года назад

Yeah, there is something to that viewpoint

@batatanna 3 года назад

I mean yes but you dont hear that and think "ah yes backwards jazz"

@gillianomotoso328 3 года назад

It’s the negative of I - vi - ii - v. You could call it a “triple plagal cadence”

@satiric_ 3 года назад

Yes - after all, going a fifth down is the same as going a forth up, so it makes sense that a ii - V - I backwards would be plagal.

@MusicalRadiation 3 года назад

Alive by Pearl Jam is one of the best uses of this progression!

@thromboid 3 года назад

I think the first chord is major there, but yeah!

@andrewkorbel9883 3 года назад

“Doctor Love”

@ConvincingPeople 3 года назад

The I-V-IV-iii is the core of the progression to They Might Be Giants' "They'll Need a Crane", but it climbs back up the other way (D A G F#m G A) with two distinct halves where the tonic and the medial have a central position, so it doesn't really feel like a "four-chord loop" despite repeating throughout the entire song with the main differences coming in the arrangement and the vocal melody. That weird little vaguely Phrygian walk-down structure also shows up throughout the different sections of the early Arcade Fire song "My Heart is an Apple", although it never really explicitly uses that progression. (That song is really strange despite its relative simplicity and lack of any chords more complex than an Fmaj7, by the by.)

@newmancomposer 3 года назад

The second chord a bIII? It’s just the relative major, III - there’s no flattening of anything, it’s the triad built from the third degree of the natural minor scale. It would be a bIII if the tonic were major, but it ain’t!

@leesamlee3408 2 месяца назад

i love this progression so much... im using it just like in the video, but change the normal major D and A to sus4 or sus 2 chord so that they got G and B note in them. i love how it sound

@Alexander-oh8ry 3 года назад

5:59 here again, and whenever you mentioned this in your other videos: i am absolutely unable to accept anything except the first version as correct. Am i the only one here?