We Need to Talk about TikTok's Obsession with Face Reading and its Dark History

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Matthais Uecker, "The Face of the Weimar Republic Photography, Physiognomy, and Propaganda in Weimar Germany". Monatshefte, Winter 2007. via JSTOR
Thosaeng Chaochuti, "What Evil Looked Like: The Practice of Reading the Criminal Body in 19th and 20th century Europe". PhD Dissertation. UCLA. 2008 via Proquest
Greggor Mattson, "Nation-State Science: Lappology and Sweden's Ethnoracial Purity." Comparative Studies in Society and HIstory. April 2014. Cambridge University Press. Via JSTOR
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Physiognomy is back and trending on Tiktok as "face reading"...as well as phrenology via the canthal tilt effect and the angel vs. witch skull videos. This is dangerous, and we need to discuss the history of these pseudo sciences. Face reading isn't a cute little game to play with your friends, it was used as a tool of harm for hundreds of years.
00:00 - 02:00 - Tiktok has a Face Reading Problem
02:01 - 10:34 - What are Physiognomy & Phrenology?
10:35 - 24:18 - The Ugly History
24:19 - 38:38 - Modern Face Reading and Tiktok
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@AbbyCox 9 месяцев назад

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@Krobluv1172 9 месяцев назад

"the Russian region of Caucus". Like, come on Abby, how can you include the russian propagandistic, imperialistic source that is Russia Beyond in this video? Of course Caucus and it's people exist but it's not a fucking cultural part of the Russian empire. It was opressed by Russia for centuries and ethnocided by the muscovites to the point of no return, their languages dead, their heritage destroyed, their people discriminated against. Please take these facts into consideration before including these nazi sources in a video against eugenics and stating that Caucus is a historical part of Russia, I beg you Abby don't overlook these things

@ArcticFoxyy 9 месяцев назад

@@Krobluv1172 stop being so sensitive dude)) you wont change the facts that caucasians are Russians read a book bro its just how it is nobody is being discriminated here this is literal bulshit. stop lying)

@liav4102 9 месяцев назад

This is why historians are essential to society! Humans are so prone to recreating the same problems.

@beckstheimpatient4135 9 месяцев назад

Historians are great, but most historians aren't great educators. Still, I can't blame them for their failure in that regard because this isn't an issue with not enough historians, it's an issue with people SUPPRESSING understanding of history for their own gain. Politicians will always manipulate what knowledge is widely available. They will manipulate how we get access to education and what lens we view history through. For the sake of this argument, 'politician' refers to both career politicians and ultra-rich corporate interests, since they have so much power via lobbying.

@SIC647 9 месяцев назад

The issue is literally people listening to historical sources - only those sources are r*cist pseudoscience.

@ladypeahen8829 9 месяцев назад

@@beckstheimpatient4135 Lots of historians also don´t want to be educators at all. They want to scientificaly explore the past, not telling people off. It´s also a dangerous trap. I unfortunatelly personally know bunch of historians who turns to educators and than to ideologists who don´t care about facts anymore.

@SpookyNugs 9 месяцев назад

And yet no one listens to us 😂 and calls us crazy and uneducated cause they find a tikky tokky that says otherwise. 😂

@SpookyNugs 9 месяцев назад

@AvaAdore-wx5gg not everyone whose a historian HAS to teach 😅 like the fact that you think that is disturbing 😂

@magnoliaopal 9 месяцев назад

Someone should make a Wikipedia page titled "Face Reading" and just have it be a redirect to "Physiognomy" so people that look for it will be redirected there too.

@emile_fa 9 месяцев назад

That's what I was thinking too. This needs more likes in case someone around here knows how to do that.

@blueberry_lemon 9 месяцев назад

Good news, I looked up Face Reading on Wikipedia to look into this, and someone did it! Face Reading is set up as a redirect page with just a link to Physiognomy. Good that people are helping to debunk this stuff.

@Dogy0909 9 месяцев назад

Someone probably did it after seeing this comment since it’s rather easy to make new redirects on there

@EC-xc9gy 9 месяцев назад

I love this idea. I just checked: no one has done it yet. Is anyone interested in doing this who is not inexplicably blocked from editing Wikipedia?

@emile_fa 9 месяцев назад

I think it's been done. I feel like there is a lack of a "critic" part that would explain how it's been used though.

@BandFairy 8 месяцев назад

It's always super depressing to me when historians have to come out and say, "No, guys, this is actually a bad thing. Please don't do the bad thing."

@EdenYell 9 месяцев назад

I love that "a small nose like a cat is associated with being timid" because a cat WILL fight god or become him

@lollertoaster 8 месяцев назад

Cats are prey animals, they get scared if you shake a plastic bag in the same room.

@clarabp2613 8 месяцев назад

@@lollertoastercats are predators. Very skilled ones.

@krisdiane 8 месяцев назад

@@clarabp2613they've gotta be trolling. 😂

@LK-xk4nh 8 месяцев назад

cats will square up with you regardless of size

@orangeismyfavoritecolor 8 месяцев назад

@@lollertoasterThey are quite literally carnivores.

@claudiadarling9441 9 месяцев назад

People will reinvent phrenology instead of going to therapy.

@IonIsFalling7217 9 месяцев назад

Why is this not the top comment? 😂

@theodorebeasley7015 9 месяцев назад

literally came here to comment this. it’s so alarming that phrenology is coming back like please no history has done this before and, to put it lightly, it led to some pretty bad shit.

@genevieve31415 8 месяцев назад

So true!!!

@LC-sc3en 5 месяцев назад

Therapy in the US is unaffordable and therapists are in short supply. The rise of snake oil always happens when access to real affordable treatment is lacking.

@emilylucitt 9 месяцев назад

As an anthropologist, thank you for this. The idea that "face reading" is a trend is beyond disturbing.

@Inkinhart 9 месяцев назад

Yep. If something sounds exactly like a quote from an 1840s ethnography, it probably shouldn't be a tiktok trend

@alarmedplacebo1579 9 месяцев назад

@@InkinhartThank you! I knew I knew this garbage from somewhere! 😅

@jessicaclakley3691 9 месяцев назад

@@alarmedplacebo1579 lol right!

@espeon871 9 месяцев назад

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@DianaandherGuitar 9 месяцев назад

Psychologist at and I immediately thought of phrenology. That stuff being popular again makes my stomach churn

@lolaf1er 9 месяцев назад

The very first clip, immediately triggered my fight or flight. There is just so much to unpack with inherently linking bigger noses with "greed or ego" like that's extremely common and centuries old antisemitism right there, not to mention "bigger" being a broad enough descriptor you could use it to describe many other racial and ethnic groups that may typically have facial features not held up by eurocentric white beauty standards. I'm constantly reminded other people just don't know these things!

@katierasburn9571 8 месяцев назад

The word antisemitism comes to mind…

@TheSapphireWolff 8 месяцев назад

Truly lowkey triggering phrasing, I immediately thought, “This is damaging.”

@Aphrodite_ErosLuvChild214-80 8 месяцев назад

Anti Semitic whatever! Jews are not the only whi te s who can be offended that's getting old ! Lots and lots of pll have large noses

@Aphrodite_ErosLuvChild214-80 8 месяцев назад

Anti Semitic whatever! Jews are not the only whi te s who can be offended that's getting old ! Lots and lots of pll have large noses

@maloo538 8 месяцев назад

sometimes they just dont care or are actively bigoted

@baby.nay. 9 месяцев назад

These kids on tik tok need to take a trip to the holocaust museum . I’m part Romani and indigenous, I was only 14 and it broke my heart. The part where they showed face measuring devices and horrible documents … it’s burned in my brain.

@SpringStarFangirl 8 месяцев назад

As a Jewish girl, THIS. The Shoah, the Porajmos, our peoples did not die for physiognomy and phrenology to become a trend on TikTok!!!

@TheRainyKingdom 8 месяцев назад

Seriously, I’ve learned from HOURS of tenuous research, that I’m part Roma and Ashkenazi, I’ve had to translate and attempt to recover documents and go through and form family lineages and concentration camp records. That’s all the information and evidence that some of my family that has survived people who DIRECTLY attempted to erase their history. Seeing it all come back is miserable. I’m truly scared that one of my descendants will go through the process that I’ve had to, just to learn the names of my ancestors, because tiktok wants to divide and separate people further.

@ThePopopotatoes 7 месяцев назад

I was about 13 or so. I remember very clearly when I saw all the shoes. Some of them were so small. I felt my world shift and quail at the reality of what humans could do to one another by just following the leader. I left feeling hollow. Everyone should get a chance to see it. I don't know why it was the shoes that really knocked me down

@thebookwyrmslair6757 7 месяцев назад

@@ThePopopotatoesSame. I think it was the overwhelming quantity. It made the sheer numbers visceral in a way that numbers in a book can't.

@TB-us7el 7 месяцев назад

It is either true or false irrespective of those events.

@sianthesheep 9 месяцев назад

This is a real testament to the old adage "those who don't understand history are doomed to repeat it" with people ignorantly parroting ideas steeped in racism, from a lineage whose ideas that were rooted in white supremacy. As ever your ability to take something from the past and using it to help understand the present is spot on.

@squareroutevintage7590 9 месяцев назад

The sad part is a lot of the people turning a profit morr than likely know exactly what they are doing. And, they either do not care, choose to fain ignorance, or purposely tout misinformation for their own gains.

@beckstheimpatient4135 9 месяцев назад

@@squareroutevintage7590 That's pretty spot on - they know what they're doing. And I bet I know what political affiliations each of those scummy people have.

@user-kw7mr6xt9n 9 месяцев назад

As someone who's not on there, EVERY single clip I've seen of TikTok face reading has automatically set off "this is just old time racism" alarms in my head. And I'm white!

@lyrajaded 9 месяцев назад

This l reminds me of the “Gen Z tattoo” debacle where a bunch of young people were duped into getting a n*zi symbol tattooed on them. It’s really important to do your research before hopping on a trend. Fascists are out here intentionally spreading this bs

@Noblebird02 9 месяцев назад

Face reading is Chinese...

@coffeecrochet4732 9 месяцев назад

One of the things I've noticed about TikTok is an obsession with appearance and plastic surgery is often pushed on the app as a solution. That is why "face reading" resurfaced.... It's to make us all unhappy with how we look and move towards artificial enhancements to "fix" our lives whether that be makeup, plastic surgery, photoshop, etc.

@kimberlystewart8980 9 месяцев назад

During the rise of QAnon and Trump, there was a shocking number of older hippies that fell into either or both. It does not shock me that a doctor in that age group practicing Chinese Medicine would pop up promoting phrenology. In fact, it's honestly predictable.

@EH012 9 месяцев назад

Exactly. There's a clear capitalistic agenda there, is why it starts trending.

@grandmasgopnik9642 9 месяцев назад

Yeah I hope they have the potential complications, cost and of course pain endured of that recovery process. I’ve seen a lot of plastic surgery as an oncology nurse from breast reconstruction, leg to facial reconstruction to try and preserve aesthetics after the function of the part was done. The aesthetic of your body and being vain is nothing to be ashamed of. I myself am quite vain but am I unhappy enough to get my chin chiseled on? Nope. As a trans guy I want top surgery and I am actually quite scared of the surgical complications because let me tell you. I’ve just seen a LOT of surgeries and sometimes people do great sometimes they don’t. It all depends. Maybe you’re body has an allergy to the sutures for some reason and rejects them, maybe the wound won’t adhere properly, maybe you get an infection, maybe you developed a hematoma and need to return to have it drained, maybe all this may be very painful, maybe you have to endure it for a long time until the problem is diagnosed because it chose to be 3am when it popped up. All sorts of things. When it’s your face I begin to worry about things like your facial nerves and most importantly your AIRWAY. Idk I’m just kind of a worrywart but I understand people getting work done I just wouldn’t hop into it without looking into the recovery process and doing research on the procedures that could be done so you can choose the right way for you and discuss with your practitioner.

@mikebarnes8818 9 месяцев назад

Yes, nobody is perfect. That means everyone needs plastic surgery. And a lifetime of medicine, more surgery, etc. Take out loans if you don't have the cash.

@tomnyskull 8 месяцев назад

Yeah and ive noticed theres a lot of backlash against saying anything negative about plastic surgery. Like surgery shouldnt be painted as evil either but wheres the nuance

@BlueberryDragon13 8 месяцев назад

Almost every German knows this stuff from history lessons in school. The nazis called it “race studies”. That this is trending feels really wrong. (To avoid confusion, German children learn almost everything about the Nazis, and what they did and why they did it, etc, and especially why their beliefs were stupid. It’s meant to avoid history repeating itself and to make us notice right wing opinions if we hear them.)

@Viviriki 7 месяцев назад

That's actually so good, I wish In America they thought more about that stuff. It was only in my generation they stopped calling Columbia's a "saviour" and instead a murderer.

@michellezamaftas1712 5 месяцев назад

We need to start treating history this way in America.

@Smith.S.sStocHasticSs 5 месяцев назад

They also learn about American propaganda. Modern day propaganda. Our school systems were not meant to do us any good. Purposely designed to squash individuality and thinking ... 😢 it's bad

@boydcrowdr 4 месяца назад

seeing as most of these tiktokers seem to be american, yah i really wish american schools went more in depth about that kind of stuff to curb this shit coming back around repackaged. and when you try to explain why this stuff is bad to ur friends that have fallen down that rabbit hole you somehow come outta that conversation as the asshole that “is taking it too seriously.”

@Smith.S.sStocHasticSs 4 месяца назад

The reason they don't in America or Canada is on purpose. The school systems here lower the IQ of everyone. Plus there's poison in everything -food, water, clothing, air. Dumbing us down 👇 I dont know if we just didn'tactually win the war or if it just hasnt ended but it looks like the soviet won. "DEMORALIZATION OF THE WEST"

@LoveLoveLoveTropical 9 месяцев назад

“Your face is a scrapbook of your ancestors” I never heard it put like this and honestly it’s struck me so well it’s such a lovely sentence 😭💕

@owenw.1643 7 месяцев назад

right? its lovely. it really brings to mind the imagery of a tapestry of ancestors. what are we but works of art thousands of years in the making?

@kaiyakershaw1028 6 месяцев назад

I loved this! I was looking in the mirror putting on my moisturizer/bedtime skin routine and this almost made me tear up thinking about how I can see generations back in my very own face! ❤

@scifirocks 9 месяцев назад

A lot of this is ableism as well as racism- disabled bodies were viewed as morally abnormal as physically abnormal. I have scoliosis (as well as a few other disabilities), people like me were thought to be morally wrong for hundreds of years. I'm pretty sure this is why we say crooked or crook for someone that's bad. Any facial differences like scars were also supposed to show a bad character. It's still a big issue today, in films the villain often has a characteristic that is typical of a disability to show they are different from the "good people".

@gray_mara 9 месяцев назад

While we have a long and enduring history of ableism, I can't find any record of the word "crook" referring to a criminal coming from a physical disability. There is, however, a long history of describing virtue as walking the straight and narrow path. Someone who breaks the law leaves that path (i.e. walks a crooked line). There are problematic words with a discriminatory history, but I don't think this is one of them.

@ArlaJ 9 месяцев назад

Let’s not forget that those with physical disabilities were assumed to have intellectual disabilities as well. I’m 50, I was born with scoliosis and it’s obvious in my skeletal appearance, and just by that it was assumed I had deficits in my mental capabilities.

@nickyclarer 9 месяцев назад

@@gray_mara I'm not sure if the origin is linked but the word "crook" can mean unwell or injured in Australian slang.

@kalieris 9 месяцев назад

This. And it also lurks in things like The Secret, which is basically prosperity theology with the overt Christianity removed. The message is that people who are chronically ill, disabled or poor are being marked and punished by the universe for being morally and mentally inferior. I hate it here.

@gray_mara 9 месяцев назад

@@nickyclarer Good point. It's kind of interesting how it's used in that context (I'm also Australian). While the word is used to describe both physical and mental dis-ease, I've never heard it with the same sense of moral judgement that we hear from European writers in earlier ages when referring to sickness. I'm not sure where this usage originates, but I wonder if it is in relation to Rookwood cemetery and the rhyming slang that was so popular at the time.

@Aelinnai 9 месяцев назад

As a person from a country severely affected by the 2nd World War and Nazi ideology (among them physiognomy and phrenology) I thank you wholeheartedly for spreading the explanations about this appalling "trend". I'm not on TikTok and had no idea this is now "trending". It makes me furious. Thanks to people like you who use their space and influence to educate people!

@fizbanpernegelf5363 9 месяцев назад

As a German this trend shocked me deeply. We see a strong right shift throughout so many western countries and now that BS also comes back. I truly hope that we will not have to go through such dark times again because of people using their range to set this straight.

@grandmasgopnik9642 9 месяцев назад

Fr if it’s got an -ology and it seems like a horoscopey thing look how it started… it might be a nazi thing or Eugenics not the next thing to put into your 17 magazine.

@grandempressvicky6387 9 месяцев назад

@@fizbanpernegelf5363I genuinely think that the Internet had aided in this massive shift to the right. Social media just needs to... die, honestly. I don't mind not having it anymore because the cost to humanity is simply not worth it anymore.

@pcbassoon3892 8 месяцев назад

Yeah... that picture she popped up of a "suspicious nose" looked a lot like some 1930s German propaganda...

@mrfish.- 8 месяцев назад

As a black person I nearly gagged when I saw this. I can’t believe we really going back to using the same “science” to justify slavery. This is awful

@onipot9639 8 месяцев назад

As a fellow WooWoo girl, seeing all of this on my insta feed has been horrifying. One ad I keep getting compares Megan Markle to Princess Diana, and you can imagine which one has the features that show 'compassion' and which one has the 'selfish nose' -_____- First time I saw it I was like "What in the Phrenology?" , I literally teach kids about this in literature seminars to help them understand these beliefs in books, and now they learn about it on TikTok but in the wrong way

@drawingdragon 8 месяцев назад

To be fair, Meghan definitely gives selfish, but it ain't got anything to do with her nose lol

@maschaorsomething 8 месяцев назад

@@drawingdragon We don't know her, so we should stay tf silent.

@coffeefrog 7 месяцев назад

You’re saving the minds of the next generation. Thank you!

@Bigsaggybals 7 месяцев назад

What does woo woo girl mean?

@TB-us7el 7 месяцев назад

@@drawingdragonMeghan's selfish is more to do with her eyes.

@mrelia 9 месяцев назад

A lot of this reminds me of a doctor RU-vidr who calls out dangerous women's health misinformation and she says over and over, "Look at their content, they are spreading these lies because want you to buy this product/ideology." That "face reading" is exactly the same situation. So gross.

@shinballzilla9048 8 месяцев назад

What’s their name I would like to see their content:)

@codenameg-fox2251 8 месяцев назад

@mrelia is probably referencing Mama Doctor Jones @@shinballzilla9048

@sisuguillam5109 8 месяцев назад

@@shinballzilla9048probably Mama Doctor Jones.

@ashleycook6025 8 месяцев назад

@@sisuguillam5109 @shinballzilla9048 I recently saw one of those videos of hers where she says this. Even if we're mistaken and that's not her's She's absolutely worth checking out for AFAB health and women's social justice and awareness.

@annec781 9 месяцев назад

Sami heritage here. When my mother was in college in the 1940s, they did “facial measurements” in an anthropology class, and her professor was surprised that she, light brown haired, blue eyed, measured as Chinese. He even personally redid her measurements. Gotta love it.

@loveitftw 9 месяцев назад

Nordic fam?

@ehhmeh4869 8 месяцев назад

Yes! The view of certain characteristics restricting other ones is rather baffling. The amount of genetic diversity and intermixing that happened over the years - with Eastern, Western and Caucasian Hunter gatherers, Early European Farmers, Anatolian Neolithic, and countless others, makes it easy for certain genetic subtypes to evolve and change. I believe that during 19th century or perhaps even earlier, can’t remember atm, there were studies about how much more “Asian” Slavic people are despite their fairer colouring (making them more ‘barbaric’, somehow), with higher percentage of wide cheekbones and “flatter” faces, which then, years later, was one of the things that gave the Austrian painter his ideas to make it one of the lower races in his grand plan of domination. Honestly, the means people go to just to feel entitled in their delusional dream are truly astounding.

@selladore4911 8 месяцев назад

lmaoo

@jess5046 9 месяцев назад

Fantastic deep dive into how seemingly innocuous trends can actually promote dangerous and harmful beliefs of marginalized people.

@sabrina9333 9 месяцев назад

Well said 👏 I had no idea this was happening. I'm so disgusted & I'll never use Caucasian again 🤦🏼‍♀️

@EH23831 9 месяцев назад

Just another way that Tik Tok is toxic af….

@carminashapiro6465 9 месяцев назад

And also on not so marginalized... 😕 I mean... THIS is (one of) the reason(s) why they are marginalized... That is the terrible thing... It perpetuates and reproduces the inmoral awfulness...

@Crocady1 8 месяцев назад

Not just marginalised groups. It's pitting us against one another. What we focus on determines our outlook on life. If we look beyond the physical, we can look at the behaviour and soul of a person. Why are we so obsessed with appearances? This goes beyond finding a mate. I think it's more of an insidious way to deflect, to protect our own egos. To keep others from seeing our own shortcomings and failures. We hurt others to protect our egos and to control our environment.

@Mew2Win 7 месяцев назад

Here’s the origin story of these trends: This all stems from a little group of people in 2015 who were tired of the lies from dating coaches, and decided to observe the mate selection behavior from females instead. (The observation came first, and confirmation came from modern university studies.) Thus the 🟥💊 was born, but in 2015 it was renamed into the ⬛️💊 bc dating coaches were associating their beliefs with the 🟥💊.

@amesstarline5482 8 месяцев назад

Strange how Tiktok censors harmless words (like lesbian), but accepts tags like Physiognomy. Regardless, it's messed up how physiognomy is somehow still present. Like the "no glasses" promotions on Tiktok, it's so many "beauty standard pushes" that are arbitrary at best, harmful most often.

@gamingchamp6728 8 месяцев назад

Well, TikTok's oddly selective censorship might have something to do with its connections to the Chinese Communist Party. As of late, the CCP has had kind of an agenda against the LGBT community, which explains the censorship of terms like "lesbian".

@collinbeal 8 месяцев назад

It's not strange. Tik Tok is a Chinese company, and is therefore going to be homophobic to some extent. I'm not making this claim baselessly out of sinophobia. Many products made in other countries have to remove depictions of homosexuality from media they intend to export to the Chinese market. A lot of claims levied against China are either completely false fearmongering or pushing an agenda, but this is one of the few that is based on evidence, and the evidence is capitalist interests. This is in no way an indictment on Chinese citizens, but exclusively one pertaining to the government and its censorship.

@TheRainyKingdom 8 месяцев назад

What are the “no glasses” promotions? I’m not on tiktok but my gosh if that doesn’t sound like a Pol Pot policy…

@NitroIndigo 7 месяцев назад

I've heard that TikTok doesn’t actually censor words, but people just assume that if their videos get slightly less views than usual, the Algorithm™ is punishing them for not using newspeak euphemisms.

@amesstarline5482 7 месяцев назад

@@TheRainyKingdom It's people who "reject glasses" in spite of needing some form of eyewear for sight.

@megb7715 8 месяцев назад

On the witch skull thing, there is no way jokes about my "witch" nose and people asking if I'm Jewish aren't connected.

@Zweigenhaft9 4 месяца назад

💯‼️ A lot if the witch stereotypes we think of today are just antisemitism from the like 1400s

@kathavb 4 месяца назад

My partner has a pretty large nose. He gets a similar treatment. It’s so damn disturbing.

@charlie2.048 9 месяцев назад

This makes me think of how many girls I know in my community (Jewish) who have had nose jobs at fairly young ages because they were convinced that their natural noses were too "ethnic" to be beautiful. I need to get my septum fixed due to a badly healed broken nose as a kid and it's so hard to find a surgeon who doesn't subtly suggest that my nose should be "edited" in addition to the medical need. It's absurd.

@TheElf_Online 9 месяцев назад

My own grandmother (also Jewish) had her nose cosmetically changed when she got her deviated septum fixed too. I personally love my hooked nose, and would never want to change it intentionally.

@chkingvictim 9 месяцев назад

i’m a gentile but have always had Jewish friends growing up and i just love stereotypically Jewish noses so much. i think all noses are beautiful, but something about keeping your natural one even in the face of anti-semitic scrutiny makes some noses even more amazing.

@roxisawolf 9 месяцев назад

Next time you tell them that if you wanted editing you'd go to a photoshop artist :) hope you'll find a decent surgeon !

@SunnyAndShare 9 месяцев назад

Seriously. All the before and after pictures from Jewish girls' nose jobs kind of make me upset because there was nothing wrong with them to begin with. Those types of noses are beautiful too.

@CaraTheStrange 8 месяцев назад

In the begining of the year i had the same surgery you are going to get also due to a badly healed broken nose as a child and while im not jewish i have a large nose. And id wanted a nose job for years but having now done the septoplasty i might still dislike my nose but im never getting a nose job or any other astetic surgery. The septoplasty recovery isnt easy but with the right painkillers its very managable but i wouldnt want to do it again.

@b0thers0me 9 месяцев назад

“Retrophrenology: It works like this. Phrenology, as everyone knows, is a way of reading someone's character, aptitude and abilities by examining the bumps and hollows on their head. Therefore - according to the kind of logical thinking that characterizes the Ankh-Morpork mind - it should be possible to mould someone's character by giving them carefully graded bumps in all the right places. You can go into a shop and order an artistic temperament with a tendency to introspection and a side order of hysteria. What you actually get is hit on the head with a selection of different size mallets, but it creates employment and keeps the money in circulation, and that's the main thing.” ― Terry Pratchett, Men at Arms

@annbrookens945 9 месяцев назад

THIS! Perfect response to phrenology!

@m.maclellan7147 9 месяцев назад

Terry Pratchett had a delightful way of spinning things on their heads ! You laughed, AND it made you think.

@borjaslamic 9 месяцев назад

I love Terry, But you know what's scarry I think this trend is not far of. Because as it happens to be, this trend of phrenology grew alongside or even out of the plastic surgery trend. In other words tik tok and users on it creating a problem and playing with your insecurities, just to sell you the solution.

@emilywheeler7056 9 месяцев назад

But the nice thing is that, while in this quote, he makes fun of phrenology, in a later book (Night Watch) Pratchett also goes into the evils of physiognomy.

@MissCaraMint 9 месяцев назад

I love Terry Pratchet.

@DerpinaTheBrave 9 месяцев назад

Thank you for making this! As a small note, there is a history of "face reading" in Traditional Chinese Medicine BUT it's what we consider to be a diagnostic tool for imbalances in your energy. Not a tool of personality reading or anything. It focuses on colouration and the location and depth of wrinkles etc. Also, it's definitely fallen out of regular use and I've only heard of one practitioner still teaching it at all.

@everynothingprobable2533 8 месяцев назад

It could also be used in fortune-telling (that's when it's similar to palm reading), too. I think the main problem with the history of "face reading" in the West is the white supremacist ideology and how a lot of that was so deeply embedded in the Euro-American societies that many people were trying to justify it using every scrap of the so-called "science" they can find to back it up.

@Bounncexo 4 месяца назад

I hears about it too in Xiran Jay Zhao's video about Wu Zetian coming to power. The story was probably made up to justify her rulership, but the 'face-reading' thing was said to be true in the video! EDIT: I thought I should mention that the face reading one in the story about Zetian was (if I remember correctly) to determine fortunes of children in Wu Zetian's family. Her brothers were said to become rank 3 or 4 officials I believe, but when Wu Zetian (for some reason dressed in boys clothes) was said to have mouth of a dragon and eyes of a phoenix (i think, not sure if it was mouth for 100%) also the fortune teller told Zetian to walk a little because she seem striking, though hard to read, and that it's too bad 'he' is a boy, because if 'he' was a girl she would rule all under heaven. At least that's what I remember from the video, take it with a grain of salt please 😊

@caincatto2473 9 месяцев назад

Abby, thank you so much for making this video!! As a Karachay person I almost cried when I saw my culture pop up on that list of Caucasian people you scrolled through. Growing up as an actual ethnic caucasian person in the US, I felt so oddly gaslit because everyone knew the word for my culture, but no one actually knew anything about it. Fast forward to adulthood and I learned that the reason for this erasure was so insidious, and obviously harmful to not only my people but also to, like, every other ethnic group. Perhaps this video will make the historical costuming world a more inclusive space. I'm just so thankful that in publishing this video you may have carved out an opportunity for me to not need to explain my existence within this community.

@kaltespopcorn4087 8 месяцев назад

Maybe that can inspire you to make some content about your heritage. I guess here are a lot of people that would be interested (I am)

@nkanyezihlatshwayo3601 8 месяцев назад

That must be so weird to have highjacked that way!

@alinashirinian2485 7 месяцев назад

As an Armenian/Georgian person, I can't even begin to explain how much joy this segment brought me. It is rarely talked about how Europeans stole our identity from us and basically erased us in the Western world.

@TB-us7el 7 месяцев назад

@@alinashirinian2485 why would you live in the land of people who did that to you?

@alinashirinian2485 7 месяцев назад

@@TB-us7el I don't? I'm not from America or Western Europe, I just know enough English to engage with western content lol

@ChineRouge 9 месяцев назад

Chinese person who grew up in Hong Kong, I must correct something here. There definitely is an Ancient Chinese art of face reading. However, it was used as a fortune telling tool rather than a way of categorising people according to a made up hierarchy. So Chinese face reading is more along the lines of getting your palms read (certain noses may mean a wealthy life, or certain placement of moles may portent different luck or hardships etc). Sometimes, face reading may be used to diagnose illnesses too, so very much so a pseudoscience as well, but not in the same way.

@leamon5230 8 месяцев назад

Wish this would’ve been discussed more in the video. There are people out there on social media (not very many) who try to teach what they know about THIS practice and it has nothing to do with racism or telling you how attractive you are. I find it super interesting and want to know more about how certain lines, moles, characteristics of the face can be tied to our health, personalities and past experiences. Maybe I’m the woo woo one lol

@Xiyuyu 7 месяцев назад

THANK YOU LOL I was looking for exactly this comment like IT'S DIFFERENT I was literally screaming in the video like "IT'S LIKE PALM READING IN THE WEST?????" so you saved my soul here. Like legit there's a history and while it has had some bumps (ancient times people using it sometimes for deciding marriages but even then it was a much less important factor in the overall decision lol. More an excuse for rejection probs.) it's also more like palm reading here. But I also totally can't dismiss the diagnosis part you ~thankfully~ mentioned. It was thanks to that I figured out I had liver issues - can be SO spot on medically. As for the non-medical uses....like it's on the level of something a neighborhood auntie would comment in passing or a street stall shaman would offer. (Though there's defs some pricey old school boujie places, too.)

@E3AloeLi 7 месяцев назад

As a Chinese American that I looked a lot of the stuff because I really like history and like searching up my culture. I’m back in you up here on this I really like looking at all divination stuff especially from China so this checks out.

@Fen_Fox 6 месяцев назад

Thisss, I've seen videos using "ancient chinese face reading" but then it's not actually chinese face reading at all and it's some bs using the term as an excuse. Like large earlobes are good luck and I have the largest earlobes in my family, so growing up it became a bit of joke to rub my ear lobes for good luck. I see chinese face reading like I would astrology, I don't believe in it but it's just some fun to see your fortune. Seeing people try and use it as being able to tell actual definitive facts about a person etc. when that's not its purpose at all is frustrating

@ellagurfinkel4172 9 месяцев назад

When I was a child, I went to a religious Jewish school, and we had an optional class about Jewish mysticism. Our teacher sometimes told us about "face reading" as a fun little aside. Now I'm wondering how did this mizrachi man who is obsessed with the history of antisemitism not know about all of this.

@olgahein4384 9 месяцев назад

Makes me wonder too, especially as phrenology and physiognomy were among the main tools that were used by the Nazis to declare the "jewish race" as a 'lower subhuman'. As i learned in school in Germany, one of the many everyday horrors of that time was teachers in schools and even kindergarten measuring heads and faces of children, to find out if there was 'jewish blood' or other non german genetics (lol) within the children. And if the measurements resulted in a somewhat bigger and rounder forehead, off to the concentration camp they go - alright, wasn't that extreme, but it had severe consequences for the child and all their family.

@nartyteek 9 месяцев назад

@@olgahein4384 Once you have decided one group is your enemy, and you have this handy-dandy method to "scientifically" determine who is in that group, you have this clean, perfect way to dispose of or discredit anyone you want.

@yochva 9 месяцев назад

Also religious Jew here, also a student of Jewish mysticism. What's important to remember about mysticism of any stripe is the context in which the source was written. We _cannot_ remove the work from the context, otherwise it ceases to have meaning. So it really depends on where your instructor was finding his references to "Jewish face reading", and what time period that Rabbi was writing in. Personally, I'm of the opinion that many, many Jewish writers were deliberately taking culturally prevalent concepts and integrating them into their own worldview, possibly attempting to rehabilitate or make them palatable for Jewish audiences. Just like we today consider it a smart idea to take new scientific breakthroughs and apply them to how we see the world, so did those in the past. The last perspective shift I personally feel is important when interpreting old sources in context is understanding that classism _was_ the societal system of the day. Everywhere. There was no alternative to compare it to. Good people tried to make a better class ranking, or a different system of values, but there were still ranks. So the fact that a Jewish mystic could have seen the _concept_ of "face reading" and said, "Well, his application is awful, but maybe the method has some merit?" was par for the course.

@beckstheimpatient4135 9 месяцев назад

@@yochva And concepts such as 'resting bitchface' (or similar equivalent) are found all over the world - there will ALWAYS be facial features that a culture sees as unpleasant, beautiful, shifty, or trustworthy etc. It has no scientific basis but humans have such strong pattern recognition that we find patterns where there actually are none. So it's not surprising that there would be some Jewish version that is adapted to the culture (and time) it was written in. I read 1001 Arabian Nights (unabridged, uncensored) many many years ago and distinctly remember physical traits being linked to personality traits in characters, I read my own culture's fairy tales and the same stood out. Same with German tales. It's just a very basic form of cataloguing people that all humans tend to - and classism absolutely has a part to play. It's why in many old stories beauty was a sign of true royalty or divine blessing, while ugliness shows evil intent or a usurpation of the natural (or royal) order. What exactly 'beauty' and 'ugliness' mean for each culture and time may vary greatly, but the core concept is absolutely universal.

@katemartin113 8 месяцев назад

@@beckstheimpatient4135well resting bitch face refers to the persons expression. physiognomy is very specific in the way it dissects parts of the face (eyes, lips, nostrils) and places moral value on them (which is how racial hierarchies were validated using these techniques).

@icantthinkofanything798 8 месяцев назад

I have a friend who has gotten in fights with her native Ecuadorian husband because he has been applying cream on their baby to lighten his skin. Learning that that was a beauty standard was infuriating

@sarahblack9333 7 месяцев назад

That CANNOT be good for the poor baby 😰

@LimegreenSnowstorm 8 месяцев назад

“Your face is a scrapbook of your ancestors” that’s really beautiful

@TheGPFilmMaker 9 месяцев назад

"Your face is a scrapbook of your ancestors" I love that! Super insightful video. Really interesting context. Hopefully this gets huge and gets people off of this terrible "face-reading" bandwagon.

@user-kh8kz4ck3z 8 месяцев назад

Honestly when she said that it kinda made me tear up a little bit!

@Nakia11798 8 месяцев назад

My face looks like a fun blend of my dad and my grandfather on my mom's side... I'm a woman.

@musica623 9 месяцев назад

I was born with a bilateral clef lip and palette and I've had to watch my face change in front of me many times and accept, "oh, this is my new face now," or worse; being told "we're going to do this to change your face and fix it," like somehow my face is wrong. It's so hard, to look different from anyone you know, let alone be judged for it. Thank you so much for making this video, Abby! It's exceptionally important topic and I really hope it goes viral 'cause people NEED to see this!

@AnnaMorimoto 9 месяцев назад

That seems like a major change to which you had to mentally adjust. Not to mention the pain and rehab of facial muscles every time after each surgery. I hope the surgeries were beneficial from a practical stand point, like making it easier to swallow or keeping you healthier somehow, not just because others deemed there was something cosmetically 'wrong' with your facial features. I do hope there was consent involved on your side, if you were old enough to understand.

@dottiewi661 9 месяцев назад

That reminds me of a former colleague‘s daughter, with a cleft palate. A photographer was taking kids’ photos in a mall, and the photographer edited her cleft palate out, because they thought, it would be „more beautiful“ like that… and my former colleague was rightfully enraged at that.

@dottiewi661 9 месяцев назад

@@AnnaMorimoto I hope that, too.

@MsBabbi 9 месяцев назад

As a fellow bilateral cleftie, thank you for this comment🥰 Waking up after surgery and taking in your new face in the mirror, a change that you personally had little or no control over, always threw me into a really dark place that was so hard to get out of, and then happening over and over again every few years. And they said that once you were old enough, that you would be ‘fixed’ and it wouldn’t be visible anymore, and then you got old enough and they couldn’t ‘fix’ it and it would always be visible, and having to accept that and learn to live with that after hoping it would be gone someday in this appearance fixated society is really difficult

@ajh3301 9 месяцев назад

I have an autoimmune disease which has disfigured my face. Thank you for your post. I was having the same thoughts.

@kroketbanana1792 9 месяцев назад

This remind of a random incident I had many years ago in London. I (who is ethnically Korean) noticed an (East Asian looking) elderly man staring at me so I asked him if he needs something. He said: I don’t want to be weird but you have a lucky nose. And then he just walked away. The thing is, my parents have commented on my nose since I was little saying I’d be prettier if the tip was made a bit higher through plastic surgery. When I mentioned this incident to them my mom (who’s always been low key into face reading) was like: oh I suppose that’s true, the way your nose dips at the end means your money won’t slip away from you, so it is an auspicious nose. Good thing I never got a nose job then!

@InvisibleRen 8 месяцев назад

But it’s not always positive. Even back in the day fortune tellers would change things based on what you’re going through or whether they wanted to gain more customers. If you’re poor and you seek help, oh it’s because your nose is shaped this way, so you end up resenting the elder or ancestor who gave you that nose or casting blame on them or on yourself when maybe it’s just that the governor’s taxes are too high or your family keeps taking your money. And if people tell you from birth your money will slip away, does it become a self-fulfilling prophecy and you never both to manage finances or work a slow and steady job because you think you will never have money anyway? If the fortune teller tells you to stop supporting your gambler uncle and save one coin every day to improve wealth or move to more fertile land and it works, you might tell all your friends you changed your fortune despite your nose and they go running to him. Nowadays, if someone believed this, like you said, they wouldn’t both to save money, they’d just go to the cosmetic surgeon.

@annascheurer1793 9 месяцев назад

This & “starseeds” terrify me every time there’s a wave of popularity, thank you for making such an important educational vid 👏🏻

@natmorse-noland9133 9 месяцев назад

Dare I Google what the hell "starseeds" are?

@beastitaly 8 месяцев назад

Wikipedia says "Star people or starseeds (sometimes called indigo children) are a variant of the belief in alien-human hybrids in New Age belief and fringe theory"

@hyenaedits3460 8 месяцев назад

@@beastitalybasically the modern version of "autistic children are changelings"

@orangeismyfavoritecolor 8 месяцев назад

@@hyenaedits3460People will use any excuse to not use the word “autistic” to describe themselves or their child

@_noctivagus_ 8 месяцев назад

Now here I was thinking of stardew valley

@jessicam8323 9 месяцев назад

I had nooo idea this crap was happening on TikTok! I'm a librarian and have been weeding a VERY outdated collection at a small technical college, and I found a section on physiognomy lurking in an old DENTAL manual, and was like....well THIS definitely has to go. Really hope your video gets a ton of attention because people need to stop. PS: Your haircut is freakin cute!!

@ah5721 9 месяцев назад

I love books, buuut good ridiance!!

@Firegen1 9 месяцев назад

@@mattybrunolucaszeneresalas9072Firmly disproven science has no place in a science segment of a library. It goes in outmoded historical documentation at best.

@SIC647 9 месяцев назад

@mattybrunolucaszeneresalas9072 Because it is a literal tool to promote why some r*ces should be thought of as inferior, and be either sterilised or eliminated to avoid "contaminating the wh*te race." While tolerance should generally be used in every instance, then the only way to deal with the intolerant is to be intolerant against them, or they will eliminate all tolerance.

@jessicam8323 9 месяцев назад

Don't worry, there's a BIG difference between a library weeding its books and a library being censored! @@mattybrunolucaszeneresalas9072

@sleepisnice8969 9 месяцев назад

Hope you donated it, ya know so history doesn't keep repeating itself

@kristinamanion2236 9 месяцев назад

OMG, I do not follow online trends, so did not know this was happening, but I am glad you are pointing out the history of it. I thought this history was well known as the racism of face and skull reading was taught in my high school world history class, in rural American south, in the last century. Hope this trend dies a quick death.

@plantyfan 9 месяцев назад

I was in high school mid-90s and I didn't get any of this in history. Also Southern.

@kristinamanion2236 9 месяцев назад

@plantyfan I don't know what to tell you. Maybe my history teacher was teaching unapproved lesson plans? But this was part of my early 90s history class lessons. Not this in depth, but it was talked about.

@plantyfan 9 месяцев назад

@@kristinamanion2236 I think that's fantastic, however it came about. I see now that my comment was a bit critical, apologies, didn't mean it to be critical or confrontational.

@plantyfan 9 месяцев назад

I wish I knew sooner, tbh!

@SpookyNugs 9 месяцев назад

@@kristinamanion2236same we learned this as standard lessons. Also in the American South.

@SierraWood 9 месяцев назад

Didn’t expect to cry during the “your face is a scrapbook of all who came before you” but here I am bawling. Thank you for doing the work and sharing this because it’s always been a little sus to me that people are still trying to push this stuff.

@jaynaneptune 8 месяцев назад

4:55 As someone who works in agriculture - the way farmers monitor their crops is more like a doctor searching for visible signs of sickness or deformities, to adjust the care. Nothing to do with racism or physiognomy, a good farmer already knows how his crops supposed to look like because he chose the exact variety he planted

@Saphira46 9 месяцев назад

I'd heard about the "Transvestigation" bullshit on Tiktok, but this had completely passed me by. Thank you so much for contextualising this horrific trend!

@MazHem 8 месяцев назад

ngl as a trans person I think the transvestigation stuff is hilarious, though the sort of "because there's a secret blood cult" thing to be indisidious, if it was just people's transphobia making them think every man with an ass and woman with shoulders is secretly trans that would just be just 100% a hilarious version of people scaring themselves into paranoia

@wiselioness322 8 месяцев назад

@@MazHemsame here, I’m trans and the transvestigators are so batshit nuts that I can’t help but laugh at their vile buffoonery. Also, you didn’t get an invitation from the secret blood cult? I got one with my first estradiol prescription. I’ll have THEM send you one, it’s fun. We sit around in pjs and plot the downfall of western civilization whilst eating cookies and listening to trashy pop.

@vaudevilleandvariety 9 месяцев назад

As someone who has been teaching English 16th- and 17th-century race studies to college students as part of a literature class for them to have historical context THANK YOU for this. My students often come in assuming these primarily 18th- and 19th- century ideas are just "how it always was", and undoing the damage that Victorians did essentially rewriting history, particular when it comes to race, gender, and sexuality, has been incredibly difficult (I could go on for ages about the Victorians and how far backward they actually pushed society). As you said, it's not that racism didn't exist prior to this kind of pseudoscience, but it was in a totally different form and to different ends. Understanding that is, I think, really important, because the idea that this is "how it always was" vs. "this was made up by a handful of loud idiots" makes us less willing to enact change.

@EpiclyAverageGirl 9 месяцев назад

Your class sounds so interesting! Do you have any recommendations of books or articles to read on the subject? I’m going back to school next year and am keeping a running list of topics I’d like to research once I have access to academic databases again.

@EmL-kg5gn 9 месяцев назад

I’m curious if you have recommendations too!

@simbelmyne7767 9 месяцев назад

Adding to the curiosity train 👀

@Bleachshugo 9 месяцев назад

No lie, I'd sit through your lessons. I'm more fascinated in how the world was compared to the leftover recorded history of loud idiots.

@alexia3552 9 месяцев назад

"handful of loud idiots" is a phrase that needs saying more often

@clairvaux8459 8 месяцев назад

Barely a week after watching this video, I learned my mother got into this face-reading pseudoscience 💀😭 She's not even on bloody tiktok...

@commscan314 8 месяцев назад

I love how the "Warrior" face is literally just the Soldier from TF2. The Soldier is superior to all other classes, not because of his obscenely variable playstyle, or his obscene versatility within every playstyle, but because he has the biggest and most cartoonishly squared off jaw and forehead possible.

@cealene 9 месяцев назад

As a socio-behavioral scientist: thank you so much for making this. Race as a category has been known to have zero scientific roots for decades, yet we still socially use the categories (see AAA statement on race from the 1990s for an overview). Even if someone argues that using them on surveys helps sociologists et al study the effects of racism, it really doesn’t, because it completely ignores nuance. Eliminating the race category and replacing it with collecting data of nationality, ethnicity, and the Fitzpatrick scale - or similar - would actually help eliminate the unscientific belief in the category of race, while still exploring its social effects on individuals and groups. I also see similar logic flaws on social media when people start talking about how to tell if someone is lying (eg eyes looking a certain direction while talking); it has literally zero scientific evidence supporting it, yet people are using such information to navigate their lives and relationships. Lastly, I think we really need to understand that there’s a huge difference between the term “scientific theory” and the way we use “theory” in daily conversations. The way laymans use “theory” means more hypothesis, but a “scientific theory” is an idea that has overwhelming evidence supporting it (eg theory of gravity). So physiognomy and its friends comes from people fallaciously conflating a hypothesis into a scientific theory. That pragmatic language difference is often an obstacle at the foundation of pseudoscience discourse. Thanks for coming to my TedTalk lol

@Selene13zz 9 месяцев назад

Thanks for this supporting info. I had to check 'caucasion' on a health form today and it's always bothered me to be forced to identify with this categorization. Not only is it not a real representation of Caucus peoples, but it bulks any ethnic identity into one that doesn't represent anything except your skin color. It makes me want to write in 'American by way of German-Irish-Scotish-Welsh-English heritage'. These categories don't seem to truly help anyone at this point. I know a lot of those listed on gov't & healthcare forms focus on Black or Hispanic categories. Do these actually serve a true purpose for, say, health or class identifiers?

@beccak8166 9 месяцев назад

@@Selene13zz Hi! I'm studying public health. A lot of demographic information is used in public health surveys. It's understood by everyone in the scientific community that race is not a biological category, but a social one with wide ranging effects. So we collect that data on a sociological basis rather than a biological one if that makes sense. This data helps us determine the different health outcomes for different groups along sex, gender, race, sexuality, and age lines. For example, maternal mortality is much higher among non-immigrant Black women in the US. This demographic data helps us determine not only what resources should be allocated where from a policy perspective, but why these health issues might affect groups differently

@Selene13zz 9 месяцев назад

@@beccak8166 Thanks so much for explaining for me. That makes me feel somewhat better about ticking those little annoying boxes at the doctor. 😄

@KattReen 9 месяцев назад

There's plenty of human diversity, and a lot of it overlaps when it comes to ethnicity. I think as a rule, we sadly fail to account for these differences when they actually matter and insist that they're part of the equation in times when they just aren't. Stereotypes certainly exist for a reason, but sometimes that reason is not fair to reality, and even when it is it's still unfair to assume things about people we know nothing about. But in for example medicine, averages are incredibly important, and it's important that the individual gets compared to the CORRECT average. A lot of symptoms also correlate with sex and ethnicity. So there's a time and place for this type of categorization. 0% of the time it's TikTok.

@Selene13zz 8 месяцев назад

@@KattReen "0% of the time it's TikTok" 😂 Perfectly said. We are certainly a messy, backwards species at times, aren't we?

@ladysnapdragon7454 8 месяцев назад

This is the kind of stuff that gets me passionate about teaching history because as a disabled queer person this is TERRIFYING. My thesis is going to be on the history of Eugenics in the United States and Germany and what I've learned in my research is horrifying enough as is, but seeing it blindly repeated is another thing that I wish people would realize is a problem. Thank you so much for doing the hard work and speaking up, we need more people like you in this world❤

@sisuguillam5109 8 месяцев назад

Good luck with your thesis!

@justme8841 Месяц назад

You are not queer. You need help

@rowangonerogue 8 месяцев назад

"Your face is a scrapbook of your ancestors" is one of the most beautiful and meaningful phrases I've ever heard. It's hispanic heritage month and I've been reflecting on my cultural and racial identity, and how I never had a stable connection towards any culture until I was in middle school, and that makes me feel like an outsider in any society that I live in. When in reality, I've always had a connection, through my face and my hair and my skin, features passed down to me from my parents and their parents and our ancestors. That's a valid reason enough to continue to learn and call myself a part of the cultures my families are in, and no amount of westernization can take that away from me.

@bluejaymusic_ 9 месяцев назад

i was deeply frustrated with this trend on tiktok, as a jewish person who's familiar with phrenology. i hadn't even thought about the asian mysticism lens. there are so many things wrong with this. i'm so glad you made this video.

@elliot2331 9 месяцев назад

Anything that attributes any physical attribute to personality, morality, etc... is inherently going to be steeped in racism. And I got a big yikes of antisemitism from just the very first video you showed, it's wild people just saw these things and don't see what's wrong with it. I'm not on tiktok so I didn't know "face reading" was a trend, but it's legit one of the things that leads to eugenics and it's very troubling it has a platform. Thank you for making this video calling it out.

@tired1923 9 месяцев назад

glad I’m not the on,y one who saw that in the first clip… if someone drew the person she’s describing, someone with a big nose who loves themselves appears to have a high ego and seems to attract wealth, you would have an unambiguously antisemitic caricature.

@mmeggnn 7 месяцев назад

my cousin is an archeologist, born and raised in dublin, and hes had the opportunity of witnessing the reburial of irish people who were dug up from graves in the past for this pseudoscience. we are still suffering from stigmatized views of physical traits that in the past suggested inferiority. so many irish people will never be known and never reburied, as im sure many other minority people will not either. thank you sooooo so much for making this video, its jawdropping that people dont know the insanely harmful effects of this bullshit !!

@Batsyblu 8 месяцев назад

Saw that image of “witch” vs “angel” face and immediately thought there was racism going on

@franz3810 7 месяцев назад

me: oh Lord its happening again

@justme8841 Месяц назад

These are just terms. They are not there to be Haken literally. Jesus. Use your brain please

@justme8841 Месяц назад

@@franz3810you are not smart if cant tell that it isnt to be taken literally

@alejandramoreno6625 9 месяцев назад

Thank you for this video. I got really triggered by the first clip of somebody claiming people with large noses being selfish, because I know what that is a dog whistle of. As a woman with VERY mediterranean features (large nose, curly dark hair, long face, etc. ) I have grown up being bombarded with comments like those of this TikTok trend, and in the end all of them are anti-semitic stereotypes (oddly, they also apply to everyone from Morocco to the Caucasus, passing through Spain, France, Italy and the Balkanic peninsula). On a happier note, your haircut is gorgeous.

@mfuentes4961 9 месяцев назад

Thanks for calling this out! Tik tok and other social media sites have been creating a breeding ground for a rise in eugenics and it’s very concerning to see.😬

@shunkela 8 месяцев назад

Oh god... Any mention of judging people's character based on features of their nose is sending my soul out of my body with rage. Please read history people. It's like people handling flesh eating bacteria or radioactive material and being like, it's harmless, it doesn't immediately hurt me! lolz. Lord help us. Thank you for bringing attention to this, Abby. ^_^

@bluenuttefly8813 8 месяцев назад

I would second the part about the word "Caucasian" as a Caucasian myself, Georgian specifically. It is gross what the word has been used to justify away from it's original meaning - that is, someone from the Caucasus region. Edit: We Caucasians tend to feel some familiarity with each other even if it's full of conflicting feelings. And this on top of the diversity of the place makes the region quite interesting for people interested in topics like that. What makes me pissed off about the usage of Caucasian to describe white people is that we Caucasians literally went through targeted ethnic cleansings due to us being Caucasian and therefore, "savage". Does this ring any bells? Also, THANK YOU, Abby.

@ophelie2620 4 месяца назад

Being from Caucasia and the fact that so called “Caucasians” probably won’t call you Caucasian is the wildest experience ever.

@shzarmai 3 месяца назад

crazy indeed

@JdeeGeekyGao 9 месяцев назад

This trend never came up on my TikTok, but I got that artist version of correcting other's art to look more "beautiful". I myself am a child of mixed parents on both sides, I grew up not even knowing the word Caucasian I didn't even find out what it was until I was like 14 years old. I'm from New Zealand; my mother is Maori Scottish, and my dad is Chinese Irish. All I saw and heard was the word "Pakeha" which yes I look like but got told as a kid "Maori nose, Chinese eyes" blah blah blah. So the fact this trend is happening and I wasn't aware thank you, I'll make sure to keep avoiding it and educating others about it.

@leemasters3592 9 месяцев назад

Aussie here. I learned the word caucasian from US media. I never new the origin of the word ans gathered from context it meant people with white skin/European ancestry. I thought US Americans were confused because even I knew that not all, or even a majority of European settlers in the USA were from the Caucasus region. Now knowing its origins, I'm glad it didnt become a widely used term in Australian english and not for our Kiwi cousins either!

@elalogar7340 9 месяцев назад

@@leemasters3592 As a European, a Slav, I wasn't aware of the term 'Caucasian' either. Also, before I became an online member of the international global, I was never aware of this big divide between the races either. For me, it was just a superficial difference in appearance, like, for example, it is between Italians and Austrians, nothing more.

@TuesdaysArt 9 месяцев назад

The Kooleen face triangle thing definitely feels in a similar ballpark as this.

@anna.owo. 9 месяцев назад

Not the kollen flashbacks (the jaw thing). As someone who was taken art classes i find stupid that people only think modern beauty standards are real beauty, and used guides as hard rules when in art rules are meant to be learned and then broken.

@xtinafusco 8 месяцев назад

I grew up in NZ and when I moved to the US, I was also confused by what Caucasian was, and thought maybe I was Caucasian cause the word 'Asian' was in it hahaha. I was also confused by US's obsession with identifying Hispanics. On any exam I took or form I filled out, after Race, there was an extra question 'Are You Hispanic, Yes/No'. I still don't quite understand why its singled out as an extra identifier.

@uschilou 9 месяцев назад

"Ancient white person art of bloodletting" was spot on. How ridiculous does that sound? Thank you for this video! Very timely. And thank you for sacrificing yourself to keep up w these ridiculous trends on tiktok.

@selladore4911 8 месяцев назад

i used to call myself deformed because of stuff like this. dont let anyone young and impressionable see this on tt, it's so horrid

@weaviejeebies 9 месяцев назад

Tiktok: for those times when sticking metal objects into electrical sockets and playing in traffic just don't satisfy the need to kill brain cells.

@ksplatypus 9 месяцев назад

I see this same sort of obsession with body and facial traits being weaponized against queer and trans people with terms like "gay face" and "passing." It's a whole other convo but I see so many similarities to this and physiognomy. It's often the same people who tout both of these ideologies, too...

@sylviemariehebert9758 9 месяцев назад

Ooooh I see a lot of red flags in the use of the word « passing » in any context. So sad that that’s where we are in 2023…

@glampixie 9 месяцев назад

This is also rooted in Ableism.

@marmeenoir2896 9 месяцев назад

Whilst I appreciate being compared to corn and the idea of my nose telling me I don't have anxiety... Can we just not? Let's not people

@artnessbylinnea 9 месяцев назад

I literally JUST wrote my master's thesis a couple years ago about how Victorian Physiognomy influences chracter design in illustration!!

@alxh3727 7 месяцев назад

ooh, interesting!! in 19th century novels they tended to link facial traits with personality when describing characters, and it makes sense that it lasted and spread through other media

@stardeki 5 месяцев назад

would LOVE to read that thesis!

@bluefish1796 3 месяца назад

Please Tell me it got published!

@basementdwellercosplay 8 месяцев назад

Me, who is getting a major in history and minor anthropology: are they really making eugenics quirky!

@michelleslaughter8264 9 месяцев назад

Someone once "read my face" and told me that I dont like to stay in the same place for long periods of time, and I was like... thats not accurate hahaha Thanks for touching on the eugenics aspect of this at the risk of offending someone- it can be so dangerous when people think they have "special knowledge" and no one checks them on it. By the way, CUTE haircut!

@CryogenicFire 9 месяцев назад

Thank you for calling this BS out. I'm a woo-woo girl myself, but physiogamy and phrenology gave me the ick many moons ago when I looked into it and reared back in horror. P.S. Your haircut is gorgeous and so is that dress 😍

@snoozerelli 8 месяцев назад

About the colorism in Asia part, though, before the influence of the west, in ancient times, lighter skin meant that you are privileged -meaning you don't have to work outside in the fields. Darker skin meant that you're of a poor background because you have to work hard outside. So it's been a long time that Asians had a preference for lighter skin. Even before colonization. Although I guess it just worsened.

@ragnkja 11 дней назад

The same was true in pre-industrial Europe as well. So I suppose we can call colourism the parent of racism.

@Tundraviolet 8 месяцев назад

I am an European with a big nose and I was born with an underbite so this beauty "white European asthetic" never made any sense to me 😂. I did have plastic surgery for my underbite because it would cause me problems in the future like I would lose my teeth and struggle eating. So in those cases surgery is a good thing but if it not a health risk no one should ever pay for it. You all have unique facial features and there is beauty in that. Hell if it had not proven to be a health risk I would be a proud underbite lady❤

@honoraweaver788 9 месяцев назад

“You are a scrapbook of your ancestors” is beautiful. I enjoyed this deep dive about a subject I am not familiar with.

@UniquelyPenny 9 месяцев назад

As someone with a facial difference all of this is OMFG. It really is hard to watch these without realizing how I would have been shunned back in the day isn’t dissimilar to how I’m treated today. It is Craniofacial Acceptance Month.

@MeMyselvesandPharaoh 8 месяцев назад

I walked into a psychiatrist office in Germany, and they had a phrenology bust as decor on the receptionist desk… I was immediately concerned

@lauraschilling5088 8 месяцев назад

Thank you so much for including the painting of Belizaire and the Frey children. I recently learned the history of this painting and the people in it (specifically how Belizaire was painted out and they restored him to the picture.) It is a fascinating and sad testimony to our past that should not be forgotten again.

@katherinealvarez9216 9 месяцев назад

The whole face reading and body language thing makes me so friggin paranoid.

@ladyethyme 9 месяцев назад

Body language IS a thing, to an extent. Physiognomy and phrenology is shit.

@dagnolia6004 9 месяцев назад

paranoia is GOOD sometimes. it might be your inner voice saying "whoa, this is icky. BEWARE"

@katherinealvarez9216 9 месяцев назад

@@ladyethyme maybe, but there's a lot of "experts" accusing people that they're serial killers because they're sitting a certain way.

@katherinealvarez9216 9 месяцев назад

@@dagnolia6004 That's not why I'm paranoid about this.

@dagnolia6004 9 месяцев назад

whatever the reason, trust your gut. YOU are the protector of your self. (hugs)@@katherinealvarez9216

@PokhrajRoy. 9 месяцев назад

There’s this joke in ‘Indian Matchmaking’ where a face reader would be consulted and his standard response to seeing the prospective brides was “She’s stubborn.”

@AbbyCox 9 месяцев назад

loooollll

@ah5721 9 месяцев назад

Maybe because she didn't want to be matched up with prospective husband !

@jcortese3300 9 месяцев назад

Translation: "She dun want you."

@iopohable 9 месяцев назад

@@ah5721 maybe you should look up what the word 'joke' means.

@eule1233 9 месяцев назад

It time to play the ancient game! Is she stubborn or is she a real human with thoughts and feelings and aspirations just like you?

@_noctivagus_ 8 месяцев назад

Tbh like with horoscopes, quotev quizzes, mbti, etc, a lot of people just wanna be told what their identity is, even if there isn't much basis for it (like horoscopes, imo) and this seems like one such iteration. But it's crazy they can't see how this one gives room for racism and even has roots in that very thing 💀

@halcyonmoon 8 месяцев назад

honestly this is horrific. im so glad you're talking about it and making people aware! I've never been so grateful that I've previously ONLY seen the lines across the eyes filter being used to create "perfect winged eyeliner" and nothing gross or insidious

@maaves1 9 месяцев назад

I am one of the history nerds that started shouting 'no no no no', when you started explaining face reading. So obviously historical racism. Thank you for shining a light on this dreadful issue and clearly explaining the past injustices.

@vincentshadowfriend6523 9 месяцев назад

As a parent, and also a soon to be teacher of teenagers who have a way of falling into one TikTok trend after another, this is both horrifying to learn about, but also invaluable to be aware of. I have not seen it in the wild yet, but it's just a matter of time. thank you for making this video.

@MordredPendragon7997 9 месяцев назад

As someone who basically doesn't have a social media presence, I had no idea this was actually a thing and this is my first time actually hearing anything about it. All of it makes me glad I don't have much of a social media presence.

@cynthiana8328 8 месяцев назад

I can understand people looking at faces and judging them on beauty, all the while knowing beauty is subjective. Like, "this shape nose is prettier than that," or "I like round cheeks," etc. The problem lies in people attributing morality, behaviour or personality characteristics to these things. It makes no GD sense. Identical twins can have entirely different personalities.

@Chibihugs 9 месяцев назад

This wasn't a video I was expecting but it is a video that is sorely needed. Thank you for shedding light on this bs "science". We are all just people with faces. And they are all okay. Also thank you for talking about the house enslaved people vs the field enslaved people. Those views on one being better than the other are why we have colorism in the black community still to this day.

@user-gn8fn7un3s 9 месяцев назад

Thank you for this, the rise of face reading is terrifying. Phrenology a gateway drug for white supremacy. But since we're talking about judging appearances - your new haircut is so cute!

@i.j.dragonfly3123 8 месяцев назад

The passage about how house slaves had more acceptable, "civilized" features and field slaves had more "crude" features gave me the shivers. GEE. WHERE DO YOU THINK THOSE WHITE FEATURES COME FROM. HMMMMM.

@ebcwhite 8 месяцев назад

Can I just say how much I love Abby Cox's videos? like they bring me so much knowledge, Joy and often Validation. As Mixed Black person (Black and Asian) people treat my face as a guessing Game. But I always love using your videos as a way to educate my actually curious friends who want to know why X. And GENUINELY your videos are like my comfort when I come home make tea and just need to decompress!🥰 P.s Edit: I also appreciate the call out to beauty standards. I have often noticed an obsession or fetish around Mixed/biracial children. Especially from well intentioned white friends who think mixed babies are "so cute" and more specifically they are referring to white-mixed children. And it gets really hard to try to explain to them why that's not a compliment or "Cute". Or they say I don't look Black and equate that with being pretty. I might start sending this video to people.

@plantyfan 9 месяцев назад

37:36 I love so so much how you highlighted that features are a kind of scrapbook of heritage. I've thought the same thing when doing the thought experiment of, "what would I change if I could change something?" It doesn't mean I'm happy with my appearance or anything -- I'm human with susceptibility to peer pressure, body and beauty standards, etc. but at the same time, I *want* to be accepting of my appearance and I would lose the ability to honor that were I to *poof* change it.

@BelleChanson0717 9 месяцев назад

All the women in my family on my mom's side have the same nose (very strong Roman nose). I always feel so happy when I look in the mirror or in pictures and get to see my grandmother's nose on my face 🩷 All our features are proof that our ancestors were loved.

@m.maclellan7147 9 месяцев назад

@BelleChanson0717 that last line ! Made me teary ! What a beautiful sentiment.

@HarleyQuinn62 9 месяцев назад

Everytime I think about getting back on Tiktok, something comes up to remind me that I shouldn't.

@pyrostoryteller 9 месяцев назад

That 'Office' meme was literally how I reacted when I read the title. I actually read a couple of those 18th c. physiognomy books when leafing through my university's library and I was floored at how authoritative they spoke when writing them. They reminded me of the cute phrenology maps in the activity books I had as a kid and it made me really upset when I found out that those fun maps came from something so twisted. Luckily I interpreted them as a fun activity that didn't actually mean anything but I know some people take that stuff seriously and that's kind of scary.

@kafkatamura2092 8 месяцев назад

Oh my god i cried at your comment at the end i really needed it thank you 😭 i am filipino and have severe body dysmorphia with east asian beauty standards.. the thought that my happiness relies on getting a terrifying surgery that will be financially, physically and emotionally devastating plagues me every time i look at my reflection. Thank you for your video 🥺 i hope u have a great day

@Liselledeiane 9 месяцев назад

So I live under a rock, admittedly, this is scary. I had no idea anyone would try to bring this practice forward. It does show how easily the regular people were swayed by propaganda in the 1930’s tho. We are repeating the pattern and just calling it a different name. But it’s the same thing! Thank you for shedding light on it and getting viewpoints from people with different backgrounds. BTW maybe not the best time to bring it up, but your haircut is adorable.

@insulaarachnid 9 месяцев назад

Abby, I am not on TikTok so I had not heard about "face reading" at all. It truly is horrifying that people are rebranding physiognomy and pretending it's a harmless practice.

@Nakia11798 8 месяцев назад

Literally why 😢 It's the old saying "If we don't learn from history, we are doomed to repeat it"( I apologize if I'm misquoting)

@NitroIndigo 7 месяцев назад

I don't use TikTok, but everything I learn about it gets worse and worse.

@Marrianno 8 месяцев назад

The fact that there's almost no videos like your that tell anout how wrong facial reading is upsets me the most

@DragonriderEpona 9 месяцев назад

Didn't heard about it before on the internet, but as a German historian I must say..... what the actual frrr tiktok? 😡😫 (I felt that meme "every historian: noooooo", it's so on point). The thing is: I don't remember learning it in school that it was a big thing in the 19th century either. During the NS-regime, yes, but not really beforehand. (And we have to learn the whole NS-history twice (!) in Germany.) So I'm not that surprised that some people, especially young ones, don't get it and why it is so problematic. (We barley learn anything about colonialism that was done by Germans either, so that's that...) Seeing people reviving it, not telling anyone it's roots, why it shouldn't be a thing in the first place is very frustrating to see. And I'm very thankful , Abby, that you took your time, researched about it and made it accessible and "easy" digestible for a wider audience. A lot of people don't listen to historians. So I'm really, really thankful that you can share it with your large audience ♡

@ks.kyokudonanshun 9 месяцев назад

I am an observer in Japan. I have been reading a 1000 year old text called "The Tale of Genji." In the very first chapter, the main character of the story, the Emperor's son, Hikaru Genji, was taken to a Korean emissary for a physiognomy reading. This reading ultimately held back Genji from any high ranking post in the Emperor's court. The text does mention that the practice of physiognomy was discouraged by the Emperor in the story, and the people that took little boy Genji for the reading did it in secret. Truthfully, I had no idea what physiognomy was and looked it up. I was quite angered by it, but unfortunately, Japan still does this in the way of blood types, saying that a person has a certain personality based on their blood type (I'm the most wild and untamed of blood types, apparently). Even in modern Japan, being in any way shape or form "Japanese" is frowned upon. Japanese people are criticized for wearing kimono, are not supported when they try to make a living in traditional arts, crafts, and textiles, and tear down traditional architecture for more modern (western) architecture. The eye fold thing is really disgusting. In Japan, plastic surgery is not so prominent as far as I know. I have seen girls on the train take sticks, put glue on it, and shove that up their eye to get the effect. ON THE TRAIN!! A thing that is not entirely stable, they are shoving sticks up their eye. I do not allow Japanese people to tell me how beautiful or pretty I may be. When I say how pretty they are it's waved away. Some of that is culture, but some of that is generational trauma. It pains me to see and experience it.

@aprilbennett4161 9 месяцев назад

Are you sure that the girls weren't pressing the sticks onto the OUTSIDE of their eyelids, manipulating their eyelids into making an epicanthic fold and keeping the skin in place with the glue? All tutorials for making double eyelids with glue and tape involved THAT, not literally shoving them up eyes. I get the point that trying to mask their physical appearance is bad, but lets not exaggerate and make people think they're doing something violent.

@ks.kyokudonanshun 9 месяцев назад

@@aprilbennett4161 Ah, yes. I guess my words were not defined enough. I do apologize. I have seen this practiced in front of me with my own eyes (with no sticks in them, I promise). When I say into her eye, I did mean that the stick (which in most cases is two pronged and made of plastic) is placed on the top part of the eyelid near where the fold should be placed, and then the two pronged stick is shoved into the orbital cavity at the top of the eye, gluing the eyelid into place so that the effect of the eye fold is achieved. Does that explain it for you better? Thank you for your comment as I often assume people can imagine what I am saying. It is a great opportunity for me.

@KateandBree 9 месяцев назад

That's so sad. Kimono are so beautiful and so are traditional Japanese crafts and buildings. I wonder if one day modern Japanese people will regret not preserving their history more.

@alexandrajay2001 8 месяцев назад

so i'm currently reading Dracula and there are so many references to physiognomy in it. Bram Stoker very clearly wanted his book to be scientific, hence all the blood transfusions before we had an understanding of blood types, both of his brothers were actually doctors, but it's safe to say he clearly missed the mark there and wrongly believed physiognomy was a valid science. it can make for quite an uncomfortable read in an otherwise very good book to suddenly be told about Van Helsing's skull shape or see Dracula's nose be used to say he looks evil, but i struggled to put into words exactly why it felt so wrong. thanks for this video, it does so perfectly!

@linr8260 9 месяцев назад

Thank you. Seeing echoes of this pop up had me just stare in frozen horror. The pseudoscience behind racism and genocide justification really needs to be addressed in school because you can bet this is reaching kids very young, using normal teenage insecurities to drag them into the rabbit hole and then slowly feed them this ideology.

@smolbirb2 9 месяцев назад

Thank you for sharing this. I was getting concerned because this is exactly how we as a species have justified killing BILLIONS over time. Appearances do NOT equal some ones value / moral alignment / or mental capacity. It's just a way to "other" people and make them the enemy.

@moda78z 9 месяцев назад

I remember reading about this in school when we studied the N4zis and the Holocaust

@lajoyous1568 9 месяцев назад

That's exactly what I thought of. So many roads to racism 😣

@pigeonbrain1534 9 месяцев назад

This was really interesting, I'd love this to become a series that talks about these cyclical ideas about beauty like "getting your colors done" and obviously body type fads.

@samelevan1 9 месяцев назад

Thank you for calling this out ❤ history repeats when the lessons are not learned. “Why keep talking about it?” This is precisely why- people forget and then new names for the same disgusting concepts get a pass and become trends.

@ohdarah 9 месяцев назад

Literally spent time in the shower thinking about phrenology and how it's used to justify racism and here you are with this amazing video. Thank you so much- I didn't expect it to hit so much when you said we are a scrapbook of heritage. Logically I know this, but I guess emotionally unable to accept it. Thanks for standing with us all Abby ♥

@Brodobaby 9 месяцев назад

I'm so glad I'm not the only one who thinks about systemic racism and anthropology in the shower lol. Literally spent all this morning having a hypothetical argument about this in my head while showering.

@FlowerItzel18 8 месяцев назад

This gives me people who live their lives around horoscopes vibes 😩

@Mew2Win 7 месяцев назад

⬛️💊 is truth & this video poorly discussed why the trend was trending

@LuLu98J 8 месяцев назад

If anyone has ever wondered "how did the germans subscribe to the n4z1 ideas?" this is how. Same shit, different packaging.

@GamerJules_ 9 месяцев назад

It feels like I've finally crossed that age-line in my life, where I can look back and see the sweet naivete of young age. And the absolute manipulative tactics of people like Katie Brindle. They should feel something beyond shame, this behavior is absolutely disgusting.

@Oliver-765 9 месяцев назад

Agreed. She either knows and is ignoring the history (awful) or is completely unwilling to learn about the history of what she's doing regardless of what people tell her (also bad).

@NordenKN 9 месяцев назад

Unfortunately the way the world currently is there is third explanation that is far more sinister; she knows the history and is more or less OK with those ideas.

@Oliver-765 9 месяцев назад

@@NordenKN I straight up forget how brazen people are about that kind of thing ugghh gross.