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HBO Max announced a new adult animated Scooby-Doo cartoon show about Velma, and we need to talk about it.
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@NerdSyncProductions 2 года назад

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@Da_Ninja_Genko 2 года назад

Why do I think Daphne invent the trip and fall thing, for horror movies?

@darthseverus89 2 года назад

Thanks for another upload Mr.niswander

@LowellLucasJr. 2 года назад

I enjoyed it! Your giving a fair and valid points on change is good but to completely derail an established character! As always, your honest and on point!

@luzelenaserrano1236 2 года назад

This was great! I enjoyed the new format 😊

@AETorrePuerto 2 года назад

I think swapping is not always bad, but when it's done as a stunt it's never well received. High actor recognition and not being his first adaptation all help the swapping to be accepted. Like Gordon and Catwoman in The Batman.

@jennifermc1221 2 года назад

If HBO really wanted an adult edgy Scooby-Doo they should have just bought the rights to Mystery Incorporated inject it with an HBO budget and everybody wins

@TheAIKnowledgeHub 2 года назад

I would be down with this. It's too bad they set it in HS. As someone in my 30s, I don't want to see something set in HS.

@igotin9264 2 года назад

I feel like someone like James Gunn would be perfect for a live action Mystery Incorporated HBO Max series / movie trilogy

@rueblie2627 2 года назад

@@igotin9264 Well we saw how his first two Scooby films went, I’m sure any other goes would also be masterpiece

@gigglemuggz. 2 года назад

@@TheAIKnowledgeHub by the end of mystery incorp they were graduating HS and were gearing up to go to the university to solve a mystery. which i would honestly love to see college aged scooby gang

@lucyinchat 2 года назад

(They own the rights to MI.)

@leftygurl 2 года назад

my thing is that adult comedies never have much impetus beyond being crude, there’s seldom any willingness to treat the audience as adults, more as thirteen year olds who think they’re adults. they tend to reduce the experience of adulthood to sex and swearing, when there is so much more comedy and commentary to draw from.

@Bluecho4 2 года назад

And don't forget mean-spiritedness. Because part of being a 13 year old who wants to seem adult is the desire to break the social norms of courtesy and kindness, and just be a jackass.

@an8strengthkobold360 2 года назад

It's basically just bathroom humor. The whole joke is "We aren't supposed to say that in a cartoon".

@MrSkerpentine 2 года назад

Makes me even sadder that The Venture Bros. got cancelled -_-

@megadeth8592 2 года назад

Venture Brothers does adult comedy pretty well without being super crude imo. It's nothing like the family guys or south parks of the world

@hudhouse99 2 года назад

Its really sad that shows like Amphibia and The Owl House treat its audience more intelligently then most of those adult shows.

@jujuberrie 2 года назад

I always felt that race swapping established characters was always the 'easy' thing to do, but totally disingenuous. Like, "You're not worthy enough to create something unique and original for, so here are some of our hand-me-downs." It just makes me cringe every time

@NeekSquad Год назад

Exactly and if someone like me says that I'm called a racist when I want new characters based on different races like in the 90's animated little Mermaid they had an awesome black mermaid character they could have made a movie on but in the end say no we want to piss people off and call people racist for not liking the new movie

@marajones1828 Год назад

Congratulations, now you get to experience what POC have for years now. I’ve lost count if the black characters who become white in reboots and have looser texture hair. I’m just laughing at all the white ppl crying about something that POC just have gotten used to.

@CammWrld Год назад

@@NeekSquad as a black man I agree. I feel they should’ve added another new character or a show based on thus new character around the mystery incorporated group. This whole switching race thing is weird & feel forced to satisfy this new form of “woke” crowd…

@NeekSquad Год назад

@@CammWrld All this race swapping is to just piss people off and keep us hating eachother while the elites sit back laugh and take all of our money while we suffer

@traceylok675 Год назад

It's patronising.

@zacharymcqueen9474 2 года назад

your concept about velma solving mysteries on her own while she owns a little book store, game me goose bumps.

@clarehidalgo 2 года назад

Bookshop mystery made me think of Gabriel Knight

@rezonan3520 2 года назад

To me it feels like a "We can't make an original character that has the race so we changed a popular character for you" It feels like a person giving their younger brother an unplugged controller. Note: This is not actually referring to Velma specifically, as stated in this video this is a normal thing for the character. I am referring to when this happens in general because I myself aren't a fan of race bending.

@nellewoodruff6337 2 года назад

I agree.

@cooliipie 2 года назад

Literally every time they do this that's how they do it

@kibanathadragon5184 2 года назад

Y’all never stanned Velma. Y’all are only mad bc she’s non white

@rezonan3520 2 года назад

@@kibanathadragon5184 first of all I'm not angry that's she non-white. Believe it or not I'm a POC myself. 2 weeks ago I posted this comment but I have a new view on the situation. I absolutely agree that we need more representation in media and that more POC should be stars of shows and movies but what I was trying to say in my comment was that I wasn't a fan of changing already established characters. Believe or not I'm not even referring to Velma in the comment I meant in general that I just prefer original diverse characters to changing old one's. I'm a very huge fan of Velma and being a fan I know this isn't even the fist time that they have changed her race heck they did it I'm scoob and I didn't have a problem with that. My new opinion is that if the character doesn't have anything to do with thier race it can be changed so basically what I mean is that. Black panther is a character who is very important to his race so you can't change that but someone like say Velma has never had a story integral to her race so it's fine to change that. Hope this clears things up. Tho I do think if a character has been around for a long time enough like let's say Batman who has basically looked the same for 80 years then we should leave that alone.

@rezonan3520 2 года назад

@@kibanathadragon5184 so yeah no

@wizardbrawl 2 года назад

Here's my giant issue with this video: Blue didn't solve mysteries, she methodically laid them out for her human friends to piece together, clue by delectable clue. That's it. No other notes.

@spongebakesquarepansgaming 2 года назад

isn't blue from blue's clues male? I thought he was.

@legoben98productions 2 года назад

@spongebake squarepans gaming chanel Nope, blue is a girl. Always has been, it was to be against the typical cliche on the colors of gender roles. Like magenta was a boy.

@lbspartyhouse8265 2 года назад

@@legoben98productions Magenta was also a girl

@legoben98productions 2 года назад

@LB's Party House yeah that’s correct thank you for pointing out my mistake.

@CosmicSponge2004 2 года назад

@@spongebakesquarepansgaming no

@NemesisHero123 Год назад

my biggest issue is that this is going to be an "Adult Cartoon". After previous experiences, I pretty much know what to expect. The overuse of swear words, excessive gore, and so much nudity. It's going to feel more childish than it's supposed to be.

@Twentydragon Год назад

Yours is the best take, I think. The characters' races and sexualities don't matter to me personally as a cis-het white guy who has already seen himself represented in _literally every interpretation of all four human members of the cast up to this point_ , and I don't see the change of races and sexualities to be a bad thing at all. It opens the door to different scenarios that white characters simply wouldn't experience, and that in turn allows for more people to see themselves in these characters. There are, however, a _lot_ of ways to do an adult series wrong, and there are a _lot_ of pitfalls that even the giants fall into with regular frequency. Keeping the show true to the "essence" of _Scooby-Doo_ (even without being able to put that essence into words) while also being a show for adults is going to be a very thin tightrope to walk.

@CB-rv2lj Год назад

@@Twentydragon you can just say normal white guy. its fine bro.

@Twentydragon Год назад

@@CB-rv2lj Why would I?

@Maybe_youre_quicksand Год назад

@@CB-rv2lj Let me make a wild guess: You think that trans and other queer people are going through brainwash children by telling them that they shouldn't hate themselves because of what gender they identify as or who they fall in love with. You also believe that the average trans person identifies as a non human animal or an inanimate object. How right am I on a scale of one to ten? Personally I hope it's a zero but I've been on RU-vid for quite some time and it's probably going to be at around nine.

@shyfoxfeatherhere6446 Год назад

Especially since they're going to show one of these things of a 16 year old woman to adults. It's just uncomfortable to think of.

@iw9472 Год назад

I don't like when they race-swap, someone because it feels insulting. I don't need Velma to be brown to identify with them! I don't care whether a character is Latina or not, I relate to their experience. I already identified with Velma so much! I was the obnoxious know-it-all, the shy brainiac, and the clumsy girl! I loved her! I feel insulted when they say "NOW you can identify! She looks more like you!" Huh? So I wasn't supposed to identify with her before?

@iicadenxxi1713 Год назад

I care if Velma is brown or black, because they should have kept it like the old version

@iicadenxxi1713 Год назад

Like in the good old fashioned days

@iicadenxxi1713 Год назад

👴🏼

@muahhkitty Год назад

@@iicadenxxi1713 too bad so sad oh well😂

@iicadenxxi1713 Год назад

@@muahhkitty are you doing that thing where you say one thing that means the opposite?

@callmeinstead 2 года назад

This seems like less "we're changing Velma to be South Asian" and more "we're changing Velma to be Mindy Kaling."

@gloriatg100 Год назад

that is what it is exactly

@Snoop_Dugg Год назад

It's pandering. I want a studio that respects my time and intelligence.

@NPFfumbi Год назад

@@Snoop_Dugg I agree it’s pandering but to who at this point? Nobody really wants it lol.

@dictorfeelgood Год назад

Bingo because all that matters is diversity and how small groups of people that probably never buy fan merchandise for these franchises and never will can see themselves 🤮

@mouthyschannel2474 Год назад

To be fair, Mindy Kaling trying to be Velma as we've known her to be through pop culture isn't as natural as Mindy Kaling trying to be Mindy Kaling. I get acting is a thing but there's so many examples of people saying "What if we had this classic character and it was nothing like that character, but instead this person". It's how we got Marvel's What If?, The new Harley Quinn show, etc. Hell, do you think a good amount of the MCU interpretations are that close to their original comic depictions before the MCU was a thing? Chris Hemsworth isn't being Thor in his movies, he's being Chris Hemsworth.

@DangerDurians 2 года назад

My main gripe is If she’s solving murders in high school Going on to solve costume based fraud is kinda a step down, Yeh?

@BlueBeetle1939 2 года назад

That's why she's so good at it

@BaeBunni 2 года назад

at best they are probably gonna justify it with. "I'm so traumatized I need to do silly stuff."

@veggiet2009 2 года назад

This is a problem I find with many prequels. in general, If you go with something that is smaller in scale than your previous works it will fit the story but has the risk of leaving audiences underwhelmed. If you go larger, it might make the box office happy, but then anger a fan base and logic in general.

@tobimisa 2 года назад

to be honest, there's a couple of stories where the Costume Based Fraud also includes the intent to murder. camp scare is a big example of that

@singletona082 2 года назад

In fairness the costume creep show is generally a bunch of people trying t ocomitte grand theft, insurance fraud, or property shenanagins.

@SEB1991SEB Год назад

Fans always hate it when a character's design is changed. Their ethnicity is the most noticeable part of their design, so it's obviously annoying that they'd change it, it'd be exactly the same for changing a character from black to white. But the reason it's done is why people hate it so much. They're trying to increase diversity without putting in the effort of actually creating black characters and stories, so they just paint a white character black and expect everyone to applaud them for it.

@leecoffill8425 2 года назад

I think people have a hard time articulating why exactly they have a problem with the race change, and that the result is that they themselves appear as racist as a result (and of course some of them actually are but that's a given in this world). See, a lot of people grew up with these characters, and we've formed a sort of bond with them, like they were old friends. So, any obvious, perceptible changes to their appearance is going to stand out. Making Velma Jewish, or altering aspects of her personality, don't really stand out all that much. But fully changing her race and skin color does - it transforms her into a different character entirely. An imposter, wearing Velma's clothing and speaking Velma's lines, and using Velma's name... but she *isn't* Velma. I think it was the same reaction that people originally had with Miles Morales Spider Man - it felt as though out beloved character was being killed off just to be replaced with a quota-meeting imposter. The difference, however, is that we were wrong - Miles ended up being fully his own character, with his own arcs, his own personality, and his own, well-written story, standing apart from Peter Parker Spider Man, allowing us to remember the character we loved, while also accepting Miles not as his replacement, but as more of an heir to his legacy. That's not what we're getting with Velma. Instead, what were getting is "This is Velma now, deal with it." And that's going to make it very hard for people to connect with her. It feels like your parents getting rid of your pit-bull pup and replacing it with a German Sheppard, giving it the same name, and expecting you not to notice or care. It has nothing to do with race (for most of us - again, bigots gonna bigot), it's about making fundamental changes to our beloved character, and expecting us just to be fine with it. Also, I know you were doing a bit, but were you seriously more bothered by Fred having brown hair? You do realize that this is the exact same thing, right? But I suppose you can still complain about a hair color changes without worrying that someone will call you a racist for it.

@kingexplosionmurderfuckoff9376 2 года назад

Couldn't have said it better myself. Also, this guy is a hypocrite.

@ExeErdna 2 года назад

Honently Miles is still in Peter's shadow because for one there's too many Spiders in NY besides Peter and even there's more Symbiote characters now. So he gets left behind too often like his less used peers. What they should have done is simply allowed Miles to be an adult and get him out of NY to another city because it is bloated. Also Miles isn't the heir to his legacy not anymore with how they're trying to make "Mayday" Parker, Peter's daughter a thing. So to me Miles needs his own name and his own city. To web sling in.

@rogermrogerm 2 года назад

Beautifully said.

@doubletaptodash595 Год назад

Thank you

@brennanshane146 Год назад

I wish I could give this comment an award

@harryallsopp9136 2 года назад

Velma being a mix of Buffy and Giles, fighting fake monsters from her bookshop in the hopes of finding a new frontier of knowledge in the real supernatural world only to keep finding creeps in masks could be AMAZING.

@singletona082 2 года назад

This person. MORE. NOW.

@malikdespanie4344 2 года назад

Velma the monsterslayer!.....or not

@InvaderTak176 2 года назад

Or serial killers...

@droppedcombofiend2707 2 года назад

The thing that bothers me about the race change isn't that they changed it, it's that it seems like they're just making Velma a self-insert character for Mindy Kaling. Especially since it's meant to be a comedy, it makes me think that Velma's just going to be Mindy Kaling, rather than Velma. As pointed out, Velma is malleable as a character, but I don't think using a long existing character to create a show centered around a specific actor is a good idea. It's one thing to take an aspect of an actor and incorporate it into the character, it's another thing entirely to just make the character the actor. It just doesn't make it seem like it's going to really feel like it fits in as Scooby show. It really doesn't help that Scooby isn't even supposed to show up. I could be wrong and it could end up being great, but the whole thing makes me really skeptical.

@pixelatedtoast 2 года назад

i hate when theres like a group of 3 to 5 characters and the internet always picks 1 character to change the race of always even though their race doesnt even matter so it makes no sense to even change it

@DavidMartinez-ce3lp 2 года назад

Agreed, they changed her character to be Hispanic in Scoob and it added nothing to her character. What's the point?

@justSTUMBLEDupon 2 года назад

Agreed

@TokyoXtreme 2 года назад

I want to self-insert as the vampire hunter Blade, and make him a white RU-vid commenter troll.

@lolrentz 2 года назад

@@pixelatedtoast if it doesnt matter then nobody should be mad it happened. but here we are.

@c863168 2 года назад

Instead of saying that she “is” the velma from scooby doo, she could have just been a huge fan of the character to which why she looks just like Velma… or maybe a multi universe.

@OMG_Pancakes 2 года назад

Yeah I was thinking the same thing. If her character was a fan of Scooby-Doo that simply dressed like her favorite character and had a love for mysteries this would account for there being no Scooby and completely fit within the world they are creating. It would allow more flexibility as being inspired by Velma's deductive skills and solving these darker mysteries would put in within the realm of the show while also not feeling completely off brand. It could then leave it open for others to try something similar with some of the other characters later on.

@tea8053 Год назад

just about all iterations of scooby doo are different universes what are you on about most of the time the shit don't line up and its because just about all of them are different versons of the same characters. whats so different about this iteration of them??

@rileywakeford8773 Год назад

If you genuinely like the idea of that more adult pitch you gave in this video, may I recommend the book "Meddling Kids". It's a story very clearly "inspired" by Scooby Doo, with each character a direct comparison to one of the Scooby gang. It tells the story of them after their teen years coming back to the small town they grew up in to solve a mystery with real monsters and stuff like that and its more grown up and very dark.

@sandydeath56 2 года назад

Everyone else has gotten their own spinoff and solo adventures. I want Fred and Scooby as wacky roommates and yes this is entirely because Frank Welker voices both of them! and I think he should get to decide what every episode it about!

@kingvill100 2 года назад

I’d pay good money to see this

@alphabo2776 2 года назад

Actually Matthew Lillard plays shaggy But I do like the idea

@sandydeath56 2 года назад

@@alphabo2776 Read it again

@skullface2694 2 года назад

Hey yea and they can be gay lovers ...why not

@demonteprice5870 2 года назад

Frank Welker having a meltdown talking to himself

@otakoob 2 года назад

I can see why they change Velma's attributes to match her voice actress/writer. But this has me worried because self-insert mostly makes the writing being bias and wastes time on self-expression instead of progressing the main story. Hope they don't do that

@Anarcho-harambeism 2 года назад

I can't agree with changing the character, there have been hundreds of characters that are voiced by people that look nothing like them, and it's worked so far

@lunakingsley.7247 2 года назад

@@Anarcho-harambeism there have been multiple race swaps that worked well. Although this one does feel less like a case of them wanting to generally create a story with a race swapped character and more of just for marketing.

@parthernnixxart4623 2 года назад

@@Anarcho-harambeism like the voice actor for samurai Jack.

@LR-jb6zn 2 года назад

changing character attribute to match VA/writters? thats is a disrespect to a franchise. if the VA not suited for the character, the VA should be the one that get changed.

@ExeErdna 2 года назад

Yeah, that's the part that worries me. Too often self-inserts are often just bad since they forget about the rest of cast.

@wakkaseta8351 2 года назад

So what I'm getting from this is that if enough writers miss the point of the source material or mangle it to suit their own agendas, a character is suddenly considered "malleable".

@peve9132 Год назад

Little Advice: Stop saying agendas and people will take more seriously Im with you bro

@Hybred Год назад

@@peve9132 he's using the definition correctly, although the word can have stigma behind it.

@Tyler_W Год назад

@@Hybred screw "muh stigma." If something accurately describes what someone is trying to communicate and objectively observes, then it is an entirely appropriate use of language.

@ExtBotany 2 года назад

Mindy Khaling should've just made an original story at this point. There's not a single part of this that relies on the Scooby Doo franchise, other than the fact that she wanted to be Velma.

@PhantomLantern2814 2 года назад

I’ve gotten to the point where the only time diversity bothers me is when it’s so blatantly corporate and artificial. They’ll put one of every ethnicity and sexuality, then the central focus is still a straight white male. They don’t actually care about representation, theyre just ticking off boxes in a checklist. Take the new Gotham Knights show on CW for instance. Super diverse cast but they ended up creating a new angsty white boy to be the main character. It feels so disingenuous. I mean I could also bring up how them changing Velma’s race to more closely resemble Kaling could also be read as part of a bigger issue where POC creators get pigeonholed into only being allowed to make stories about people of their own ethnic background, but I don’t know enough about the project to know who pushed for the change.

@Whitemenhavelittledicks 2 года назад

Did you not watch the video?

@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259 2 года назад

ok FINE I'll see the gothasm knights trailer

@kernelparadigm 2 года назад

Cast should be added in favor of the story not the other way around.

@OnlyMichaelJackson 2 года назад

In reboots, they racebend secondary characters but don't dare to touch the main character. Like quit recycling, make new characters for POC to relate to. We know Velma is white, changing her race does nothing for POC. Accept that the show was filled with white people and make NEW CHARACTERS

@Whitemenhavelittledicks 2 года назад

@@OnlyMichaelJackson But then white people will complain about new characters. And on top of that, how does her being white benefit the character or the show? And how does making her another race effect or change anything? U do realize even after this show she’s still going to be white, right?💀

@Cassius335 2 года назад

Velma being brown in her own origin story is kinda weird and mostly seems to be because Mindy Kaling is being allowed to produce and star in her own fanfiction.

@sunnybear178 2 года назад

but like they pointed out, Velma was asian before and Scooby Doo has no consistent continuity so you just need to accept your concerns are very inappropriate

@AG-hx6qn 2 года назад

Lmao

@urapeenees340 2 года назад

@@sunnybear178 no they are very appropriate. How would you feel if Black Panther became white?

@godemperorlech5422 2 года назад

@@sunnybear178 the japanese actress at least looked like her

@ExeErdna 2 года назад

@@sunnybear178 It isn't inappropriate when Mindy Kaling COULD have made her own show yet used Velma as a proxy.

@huntercool2232 Год назад

It honestly baffles me how a media company can just outright insult their fanbase and not expect consequences. I swear they think we’re mindless money producing robots and that they can do whatever the heck they think they can do want and think we won’t say or do anything about it. Why did they think it was a good idea to straight up insult the people they depend on financing them I just.. I just don’t understand it?! Someone explain!!

@SpectreBagels 2 года назад

But there is a difference between changing a character's personality and changing their race so I don't think your points of saying how the gang's personality and some tid bits about them have changed lends to why changing Velma's whole race is fine

@robobrain10000 2 года назад

Being south asian myself, the issue with Velma being race bent is that it comes off as reverse cultural appropriation. It doesn't add anything to the character and it just furthers the tokenism and the stereotype that Indians are all nerds.

@lucyinchat 2 года назад

I get the stereotyping part, but we only have a picture. The "Tokenism" and "Doesn't add anything to the character" arguments _require_ more to be seen or known for it to make sense or work.

@kandrs7445 2 года назад

Every new series is a re-imaging. If Scooby-Doo and the gang is supposed to always remain the same... why bring them into modern day? every new series should take place in the 60's. Heck, why have new monsters of the week? New animations? New voices? It should always be the same. I don't particularly see what her being south east Asian brings to the character. I don't instantly like her for it. Also, I don't particularly see what her being white in the past brought to the character. She was made white because racism in the past made white the only race easily depicted. That's it.

@rezonan3520 2 года назад

To me it feels like a "We can't make an original character that has the race so we changed a popular character for you" It feels like a person giving their younger brother an unplugged controller.

@robobrain10000 2 года назад

@@lucyinchat I think it is fair to say that the character being south asian doesn't add anything to the character. If you were to argue the opposite, then please explain how being south asian adds to Velma's character? The examples NerdSync cited about previous changes to Daphne for example all added to her character (like being a news reporter, ventriloquist etc...). Race isn't a fucking character trait or a quirk, it is immutable and intrinsic. So it doesn't add or do anything to further the character. Since it doesn't add anything to develop the character, the only reason to do it is for the shock value and tokenism. I can understand casting someone of a different race for the role in live action because they are the best actor available for the role, but going out of your way to change the race of a character just so you can say: ha we did it, is just hollow. There is no reason for Velma to be south asian as it is just a cartoon. If you were making an Indian scooby doo cartoon taking place in India, then I can dig it. South Asian Velma is just shoe horned in. This is just faux representation.

@jjjjjaabari313 2 года назад

@@robobrain10000 what if the show wanted to tackle racism through Velma. Would that qualify as adding to the character for you

@gemmamoon5998 2 года назад

I love how the “adult” Scooby show you described is just Mystery Incorporated lol

@acsaudiodramas 2 года назад

Well neither the cartoon nor the live action series had much gore and blood in it (until now- I know the fan series just has currently one episode). So he didn't exactly describe this.

@monii120 2 года назад

@@acsaudiodramas they may not have gore, but they were definitely handing out body bags like Oprah

@acsaudiodramas 2 года назад

@@monii120 yeah whatever, I'd like to see them as young adults in serious mysteries.

@monii120 2 года назад

@@acsaudiodramas understandable, that would be dope

@rabbitguts2518 2 года назад

@@acsaudiodramas I think the eldritch horror and adult theming such as the faux-bondage gear in that one music scene plus adult references covered the fact it was aimed at an older audience. plenty of films and tv are aimed at adults without explicit sex or gore, that's why the pyschological horror genre is mostly aimed at adults. I mean do you expect films like Get Out or Rosemary's Baby to be aimed at children? No.

@howtodoit3074 Год назад

I've always said that changing the race of a character is just a lazy way to reskin a character

@lexruptor Год назад

The part when Velma revealed her true origins in the MCU and her affiliation with the Mystic Arts, I died in my seat twice. This was certainly a show.

@oranmorton5053 2 года назад

Ironically I think the pitch, barring the specifics of how truly violent and juvenile the writing is, would work really well for Nancy Drew. Shes a headstrong & smart detective with alot of sass who is already an adult, and one people only really have a vague idea of from osmosis.

@megarakadmea 2 года назад

Nancy is a teen detective, it’s part of her brand. A lot of other things change about her, but she’s always a teen.

@FoxUnitNell 2 года назад

@@megarakadmea she's in her twenties for the cw show.

@loganarnoldkicks4321 2 года назад

@@megarakadmea The first book she was stated to be 18. Obviously she's technically an adult but also still a teen, so I think it can go both ways with Nancy

@Kalani_Saiko 2 года назад

@@loganarnoldkicks4321 Technically she's not an adult, you mean. Only an adult in terms of law

@megarakadmea 2 года назад

@@FoxUnitNell there’s not a lot canon about that from what I’ve seen

@kellykerr5225 2 года назад

Scooby is NOT a mutt. He’s a Great Dane just like the one I had as a child. She was scared of her own shadow and always sat in my lap as she was twice my size

@s2korpionic Год назад

2:28 someone's going through a shit ton of gymnastic hoops here.

@InnerAtanih Год назад

Right lmao

@Jerry1991388 2 года назад

I simply take issue, in general, with changing the immutable genetic characteristics of a character in order to meet an unnecessary diversity quota. If you wouldn't agree with changing a black/hispanic/asian character to be white, why is the opposite acceptable?

@blueskado6234 2 года назад

The problem with turning pre-existing character’s into other races is the sheer laziness. As an African American, it’s honestly insulting seeing pre-existing characters changed to cater to me or anyone els in my community.

@jayb8934 2 года назад

The pitch about the Scooby gang confronting real monsters and coming to terms with them existing was kind of touched upon in the Supernatural crossover.

@TonyTama 2 года назад

and yet SN treated Scooby Doo with love and reverence.

@gota7738 2 года назад

Isn't it a major theme of Zombie Island?

@Danestewartfilms 2 года назад

Mystery incorporated (on yt) also seems to be going in that direction

@InternetMouse 2 года назад

@@Danestewartfilms i would so love to see a season 3 of that show except this time its darker.

@colealbinder2025 2 года назад

That’s not too far removed from the book Meddling Kids by Edgar Cantero, it’s not technically a Scooby-Doo book but it takes the idea of a group of young adults who solved innocent mysteries as teens coming up against something on a much more horrific and supernatural level. Think of it as Scooby-Doo meets It or a deconstruction of the franchise, it’s a great read IMO.

@ron4280 Год назад

" Makes no difference " > Has to defend it

@clippychan530 2 года назад

honestly im so tired of teenage scooby doo, I'd LOVE to see a college-age gang try to figure themselves out or have a zombie island esc time skip where they're older and have to re-meet each other. If we really want to get to know Velma as a character we shouldn't be following early high school Velma we should be following young adult Velma. I genuinely feel like the only reason all the scooby doo shows take place during high school is that it feels like none of them would hang out with each other if they all didn't live in the same town and that sucks. I'm so tired of "adult shows" taking place in high school settings, there are so many more interesting settings to put characters in that aren't high school! It feels like a way for the creators to potentially reach an adult audience while giving themselves a fallback audience of tweens/ teenagers in case numbers aren't high enough.

@axolofa 2 года назад

I really hope Velma isn't a snarky know-it-all. Velma's the most fun when she cares about solving mysterious things, trying to scientifically prove the paranormal, rather than saying "nah that's probably not real" and acting like she hates her friends. Also, semi-hot take as someone whose favorite Scooby Doo character used to be Velma until I actually watched the shows again, I feel like Velma's only as popular as she is because people think saying they liked Velma more than Daphne is an unpopular opinion. I've literally never heard a single person ever say that their favorite Scooby Doo character is Daphne.

@destineeryan6773 2 года назад

I haven’t watched the OG series in a while to see how early Daphne holds up, but as a kid and for most of my years watching Scooby Doo, Daphne *was* actually my favorite believe it or not. 🤷🏼‍♀️ I feel like as a really little kid watching the OG series it might’ve been about her color palette to a degree-she was the reason my favorite color was purple, and with the purple/green/red combo I thought she was SO fashionable. I loved her 60s/70s style clothes and I wanted my Barbies to wear similar but couldn’t find that style. And at that age, I didn’t mind she was always the damsel because I shipped her & Fred HARD before I even knew it was called shipping lol. She always felt like a sleuthy princess to me, at least from recall. Then I really fell in love with the Zombie Island era of Scooby-Doo. I continued to especially love Daphne. I feel like in that era she was one of the characters who had the most growth, which, as I was getting older and less into princess stuff, locked her down as my favorite even more. Still shipped her & Fred though 🤣 I didn’t particularly like her in a Pup Named Scooby Doo when they emphasized the wealthy snob angle of her more though. I didn’t mind the wealth angle but I liked the way they did it in the outback movie where she seemed a bit more aware of her wealth and was less snobby about it. I haven’t kept up with *all* of the newer stuff so can’t comment there but I put down the Mystery Inc show because I found Velma to be insufferable in it, and it felt like they took Daphne a little backwards with her intellect out of the gate, but I watched very very little of it because watching Velma constantly make Shaggy uncomfortable, made me uncomfortable. I heard it does get better though. TL;DR: It’s been years since rewatching and I was younger then so take my opinion with a big pinch of salt because memory degrades easily, but I actually did love Daphne when I was entrenched in the fandom and had her plastered on everything as a kid because I thought it was rad she was super girly and in love AND a BAMF sleuth at the same time. Best of both worlds n’at.

@cutelazypanda158 2 года назад

While you bring up a good point i actually genuinely liked velma not because i thought it was unpopular.

@aoki556 2 года назад

oh I liked Daphne the most 💀 especially when they depict her as being intelligent

@patrickchoque7720 2 года назад

My biggest problem is that her turtleneck is too yellow, when it’s iconically orange. Velma herself can be whatever she wants but she better be wearing orange!!

@simply_nebulous 2 года назад

But would that color go well with her skin tone?

@Andyatl2002 2 года назад

@@simply_nebulous, yeah it’s a color that pops

@kevin-jonbreton5861 2 года назад

My biggest problem is black washing

@crunchevo8974 2 года назад

@@simply_nebulous orange been looking good with deep skin

@beththedarkmage3359 2 года назад

@@kevin-jonbreton5861 South Asian people are rarely if ever black, and this character is not black. Maybe watch the video before you make a huge mistake like that?

@AllenGray47 2 года назад

You know, I was skeptical at first, but you've won me over pretty quick, especially since you did cover the "make a new character" argument cause I was thinking the exact same thing

@bobi200samatar6 2 года назад

My issue with this is that Velma has already been race swapped already. She was Latina in Scoob and now she's Indian? Will she be black or Asian later? Like, races aren't costumes, and what's annoying is at the end of the day, people primarily remember her as white, freckled girl. Maybe it's because those adaptations weren't popular or that good, but people don't really remember when Velma got her race changed, to most, she is white. It just feels a little insulting, am I weird for feeling that way.

@itsbeyondme5560 2 года назад

Its you

@deadpoolnerd 2 года назад

The change of Velma kinda reminds me of that Starfire DC book everyone disliked. And an issue was the protagonist was just a self insert of the writer herself. While the scoob gang can be a lot, I wouldn't wanna see the character just devolve into Mindy herself essentially.

@whoahanant 2 года назад

Yeah even outside of the self insert problem that character was not even likable. She was a rude character and had no buildup throughout the entire read. Which is why I personally did not like it and others also didn't like it.

@insertnamehere3794 2 года назад

Ah yes I'm not starfire That book should be burnt

@dell2013 2 года назад

I love how you just bluntly said "devolve" 😂

@bay.727 2 года назад

I agree with this. It feels like they're just changing her race to appeal to the Twitter people that just blackwash anything, because them being white is somewhat a problem. It feels like they're just changing her race for the appeal, as well as Mindy making it a self insert. If we were to change let's say, make a black character anything rather than black, they'd be called for racists because of well, white history. But it's the same thing, and it feels cheap for them to do that.

@sammygecko_ Год назад

At least they made a new character for “I Am Not Starfire”, being her daughter Funny to learn it’s a self insert bc the main thing my friend said was how I likable the protagonist was

@choczynski 2 года назад

Having Velma be a freshman in college instead of, I assume, a senior in high school would be a simple fix to any of the age-related weirdness of doing an adult show with characters that are supposed to be minors.

@CloutmasterPhluphyy 2 года назад

Eh, a good chunk of seniors in highschool do end up turning 18 during the year Me, as an example

@sammygecko_ Год назад

@@CloutmasterPhluphyy yeah but it’s still weird sometimes. (Also someone who turned 18 in highschool)

@mochi8632 Год назад

@@sammygecko_ it's not weird at all. People in highschool are banging all the time.

@sleepinggorilla Год назад

I actually really liked his idea. Have Velma on her own solving mysteries, real monsters and villains that actually kill. She refuses help from anybody until it’s time to bring down the big bad and calls in Mystery Inc.

@brettthebest3978 Год назад

@@sammygecko_ you would not survive being in the anime community

@AudhildDaArtists 2 года назад

"And wears glasses that occasionally fall off her head." *her glasses falling off practically every damn episode*

@Glitch-Gremlin Год назад

When Velma Screamed "I HAVE THE HIGH GROUND!" and cut Scooby-Do's Legs off with her Lightsaber, i Cried White Male Tears. im Unpacking it as we speak. im just Unpacking it all.

@Wildstrike277 2 года назад

I don’t think changing a character’s race ruins the character, especially if it isn’t that important to the story, but I see it is where a character’s race shouldn’t be change because they already have a race. To paraphrase what Stan Lee said about Spider-Man, the reason Peter Parker is always a Caucasian male is because he was originally created as a Caucasian male. Same applies to Velma. I don’t see her having the same skin tone as me; I see her as white because that’s how she was originally created. That being said, this Velma sounds more like a self insert than anything else. I find that to be more of a problem than her being race swapped. Like, just let Velma be Velma. Just because she’s voiced by Mindy Kaling, it doesn’t mean she’s Mindy Kaling.

@OnlyMichaelJackson 2 года назад

Exactly, Velma will always be white. Making her dark skinned does nothing for POC, we want new characters

@PunishedPrince 2 года назад

@@OnlyMichaelJackson if velma will always be white then how come there’s a Velma in a show called Velma where she’s eat Asian. Really makes you think

@edenromanov 2 года назад

@@PunishedPrince I didn't know she was a Cannibal, that's terrifying

@loodlebop 2 года назад

Bingo

@fuki98 2 года назад

Exactly

@scoobydoo23320 2 года назад

I really liked the Velma bookstore owner idea and the whole gang facing real murders. It's a bad sign for a show/movie when a fans' idea is better than the one that is being made.

@whoahanant 2 года назад

I think as some people have pointed out, changing characters to match someone else just means it's not really that character anymore. If everything was so insignificant in the first place then why change the character at all? It's more worrisome that not only is it setting the scene for easy money making schemes by just swapping colors on a character but also the issue of just straight up making self inserts. At that point it's not the original character but they're trying to masquerade it as the same character. We've also seen how these types of self inserts aren't liked with the DC starfire book. Sure the character was inclusive but not in a positive way. (Was actually a pretty rude character so tbh it just portrayed people who are large bodied, goth and lgbtqia+ as rude). There's a right way and a wrong way to be inclusive and I don't consider rehashing white characters to be easy minority money makers as inclusive. It's like saying that minority based characters aren't worth any new or extra effort. Basically it sets the precedence that minorities can just be re skinned white characters. I think that's a huge slap in the face and it keeps happening. People keep defending it saying it's inclusive when it really doesn't seem inclusive if you actually look at what they're doing. It's fine for fanart or personal inserts and such but in large corporation business practices it's not inclusive at all. It's just easy money to them and all they need to do is to swap skin colors instead of putting some effort into them. That's upsetting to see.

@RagnaGaming 2 года назад

I've always loved Velma....and am I wrong, but wasn't she always assumed to be canonically Asian or part Asian? I mean, it's not a VERY important detail, but that's always been my assumption....

@vampiredildo8192 2 года назад

Well , I'm pretty sure she was supposed to be racially ambiguous. Many races have light skin so you could kinda insert anything in there . Honestly her race change would have gone over amazingly if it wasn't a serious design change . Even going darker than original would have been OK if it wasn't extreme looking. It's just a major shock and feels like it doesn't respect the original enough. I mean yellow? Not orange? Velma needs orange clothes.

@DuonDRaven 2 года назад

Your idea of a Grim Dark Scooby Doo was actually already done in a Supernatural episode lol. S13E16 "After stopping a plush dinosaur that comes to life in a pawn shop and attacks, the grateful owner gives Dean a new TV for free. While testing out the TV, the Winchesters are sucked into Dean's favorite episode ("A Night of Fright Is No Delight") of Scooby-Doo, Where Are You!, followed soon after by Castiel. To the group's shock, they discover an actual ghost that begins killing people (including the real culprit Cosgood Creeps) and the Winchesters and the Scooby Gang are forced to team up together to stop it. "

@tcrpgfan 2 года назад

And the brothers must do it all without breaking the innocence of the Scooby Gang.

@wolfekupo5651 2 года назад

heck if they wanted a Dark take on Scooby Doo they could have just adapted the Scooby Doo comic series

@calebray1834 2 года назад

There is also a live action fan film that is doing a way better job at a mature Scooby Doo than this one on HBO Max.

@voidshell8157 2 года назад

I really hope this show actually evolves past being the typical adult animation raunch without substance. Most "adult comedy animation" just tend to be vulgar and don't really seem to want to do more that just that. Animation is a medium that can do so much more and it just seems like most studios don't realize that.

@Ellie_deMayo 2 года назад

Ironically, adult comedy is just juvenile humor.

@whoareyoutoaccuseme6588 2 года назад

@@Ellie_deMayo Pretty funny when shows like Infinity Train, Amphibia, Owl House, and a whole lot have more substance to them despite being aimed for kids.

@wafflefalafel9442 2 года назад

this. the show already kinda looks like a generic modern animated adult show with its art style. i havent really enjoyed Mindy's humor in the past. idc what the characters look like, I just hope it's genuinely interesting (judging by scooby doo's track record...probably not?)

@zyaicob 2 года назад

That's not really Mindy's style. I don't think this is gonna be another Paradise PD or Hoops or for that matter Family Guy which is awful and everyone can fight me

@lucyinchat 2 года назад

Unfortunately, WB doesn't have the best track record there.

@leftkidney4335 Год назад

The velma raceswap looks like a self insert

@Gamescrap Год назад

The way you have to hold your cup in every frame makes me so anxious for some reason.

@samgreer8015 2 года назад

I think it would be weird that Velma goes from solving murders to unmasking Old Man Jenkins who’s committing fraud

@ZipplyZane 2 года назад

That's what makes me think they may be going a more comedic route with this. If the murders aren't actually intended to be taken all that seriously, it could work, IMHO. And that scene does not look like it's being taken seriously.

@itisALWAYSR.A. 2 года назад

Old Man Jenkins went into fraud to make ends meet after his life went to pieces from the murders ten years before. He doesn't remember Velma specifically, just the general concept of meddling kids who ruined his life

@madnessarcade7447 2 года назад

@@ZipplyZane this is a different universe guys it’s not tied to old seasons

@ZipplyZane 2 года назад

@@madnessarcade7447 Then it doesn't really make sense to describe it as an origin story.

@anotherrandomguy8871 2 года назад

I don’t even like Scooby doo, so i have no say, but I agree, I feel like solving legit murder mysteries would be a huge step up, but only if the whole Scooby gang is involved. They go from solving old people who dress up in costumes to commit fraud, to actual masked and costumed murders who kill in creative ways.

@Unk.B. 2 года назад

I really want either an Over the garden wall or Tim Burton inspired adult scooby-doo show with the whole Gang.

@JovanLatte Год назад

Over the garden wall def needed more episodes with more adventures and alternate realities!!!!

@LWL1ET_MEOW Год назад

Oh wait Tim Burton inspired s ooby doo would be fire

@sandllc1361 2 года назад

If you remember fred as just being the boring leader and daphne as being danger prone, you clearly are not the "expert" you claim to be; there is a reason the original is often called the best, not to say the new ones aren't good, but the new ones just don't understand the characters

@aniflowers1998 Год назад

Technically ethnicity changes aren't that big of a deal when the characters don't alredy have a 100% established ethnicity. What bothers me in this case though, is that the change is changing the design in a movie that looks like it is suposed to be a sort of prequal. It's the same reason why making Fred a bruenett was stupid, or why it would be stupid to make Scooby a dalmation. Now peoole have only two options for continuity: accept that this is a seperate scooby universe, or going the weard round that Velma lost melatonin over the years to end up light skined in all other versions. Changing such a big part of a characters design that the character can't influence (for example changing hair style is something a character could influence, a biological feature like hight isn't) breaks the conection to the original design everyone knows the character for. Pretty sure no one would have a problem if she where asian, or jewish, or scottish, or whatever, as long as her looks stayed the same. But changing the design is just something that people generally always disagree with.

@Tyler_W Год назад

This. Recognizability matters. Variation is fine so long as recognizability isn't broken. If some random looking dude came up to you and wore up and down that he was your best friend, even if he (or she) acted more or less exactly like him, you would either not believe him, or it would take a significant amount of proof and convincing. Good, bad, something I between, it's irrelevant. That's just how humans work and recognize things they're familiar with. The whole point of things like disguises, radicallyvchanging your appearance, is so that people don't recognize you, and I don't understand why some people insist on being obtuse about this.

@comixproviderftw_02 2 года назад

Had a feeling this was gonna happen. Also I feel like this is them trying to replicate the success of the Harley Quinn show.

@BlueBeetle1939 2 года назад

Thought it was a screenshot from Harley Quinn for a second

@madnessarcade7447 2 года назад

Bro adult cartoons existed before that show not everything that goes adult is trying to be Harley quinn

@madnessarcade7447 2 года назад

@@BlueBeetle1939 to me the art style seems like a more polished version of the be cool scooby do artstyle

@comixproviderftw_02 2 года назад

@@madnessarcade7447 I know that. (Most of them are just edgy for the sake of being edgy) I’m just about how the general vibe is with this show is similar to the Harley Quinn show. Animation style and the fact it’s a more adult oriented take on one character.

@katherinealvarez9216 2 года назад

Looks like it

@schlanvlcoredude9438 2 года назад

I feel like it doesn’t need to be Velma. Mostly because I feel like any scooby property that doesn’t have the full gang might as well not be scooby doo

@stoutsprout4297 2 года назад

It was a perfect opportunity to start a new chapter, new characters and make it adult orientated

@mr_indie_fan 2 года назад

@@stoutsprout4297 no its a adult show with nothing to do with scooby doo, just pulling people in from nostalgia with the name.

@Nakia11798 2 года назад

Exactly. Her show will flop and fail because she chose to take and change a well-known character instead of making a unique and new POC character.

@user-xq4py3fq2y 2 года назад

@@Nakia11798 the least she can do is make references to the other members of the mystery gang or have it revealed that Velma was already friends with the other members of the mystery gang

@ajplayful8890 2 года назад

i have a feeling the reason they dont want to include scooby himself is due to the fact the show is aimed at older audiences because it would be somewhat odd to see our beloved goofy pup saying curse words especially because they are making a new scooby show for kids as well i mean imagine a kid looking to watch more scooby-doo and they run across Velma.. that would not be good

@JakeAdkinsOfficial Год назад

Your script idea with the bookshop would be like an x files with Velma in the Scooby Doo universe, which sounds great. She could befriend a journalist/photographer type character who visits the bookshop looking for leads

@Tyler_W Год назад

That would actually be interesting. Use Velma as the veteran helping new characters solve their own mysteries with her years of experience and expertise, then reintroduce other established characters as either supporting cast or cameos.

@realityshifter3399 2 года назад

5:14 When it comes to changing the ethnicity of an established character you have to take it from a case-by-case basis. I don't believe that changing the race of character is only a problem if their race is essential to their character. Because let's be honest race doesn't exactly exist in a vacuum and changing the race of character would change how that character is perceived. Like if they were to change Batman/Bruce Wayne into a black man then the audience would suspect racialized perspective of being a black man in America influencing his characterization. Sure, a black Bruce Wayne may not change his character completely, but it would change it. And seems as though progressive leaning pundits have a hard time admitting that race change can change an established character or at least how that character is perceived. Btw, not saying that race/ethnicity change is always a bad thing or that there always have to be some major controversy over it. But at the same time, we can't take a post-racial stance only when it's convenient for us.

@ghostratsarah 2 года назад

Agreed. You can also just darken her skin tone and drop little cultural easter eggs, like they have done in the past with her character, while never explicitly saying she is any race or bringing in a customized back story- because they leave it ambiguous. But to outright say "hey aren't we cool for taking this white character and making her specifically south Asia? This is total progress for POC." Is on a whole other level. They are canonizing a race. Which hasn't been done before. It complete changes her entire life story. Now we expect her to face discrimination and a personality rooted in her race.

@realityshifter3399 2 года назад

@@ghostratsarah I want to give them the benefit of doubt and say there was no agenda of changing Velma's race. Other than the fact that Mindy is South Asian and they wanted this version of Velma to match her ethnicity. But now Velma is South Asian we should probably expect ethnic and cultural references of being South Asian. They could go the post-racial route and not make any reference to Velma's race (other than cultural Easter Eggs). However, that may lead to people complaining that the creators are ignoring her race thus critiquing her racial identity. In other words, they may want Velma to not only be South Asian but also "act like she's South Asian". Is any of this fair? No, but that is just the way the world is. People don't view white characters the same way they view non-white characters.

@Whitemenhavelittledicks 2 года назад

lol funny how white people think they can have an opinion of race and marginalized groups as if they’re not the ones who brought race/racism in this world 😂

@realityshifter3399 2 года назад

@@Whitemenhavelittledicks So, this is your argument. Racism was invented by white people? You might want to tell that to Asian community where there is a history of racism even between other Asians. Let me know when you're ready to have an adult conversation about race. And not just repeating talking points you read on Twitter and Tumblr.

@ghostratsarah 2 года назад

@@realityshifter3399 what 'white' really means i these situations is 'colonial', which makes the whole discussion of race bending frustrating. White is a skin tone, so as long as a character didn't already have a culture attached to them, it means nothing to give them a pallet change. But, they've already advertised her as being a step for POC activism, so I can only assume they are going to use her new race to the fullest extent they can.

@frostyfirestar9709 2 года назад

NerdSync: “People shouldn’t be upset when they change the skin color of pre existing characters.” Also NerdSync: “I’m upset that Fred is not blonde.”

@RichardBarclay 2 года назад

Hair is not skin. Fred can have any skin colour, he just needs blonde hair.

@stoutsprout4297 2 года назад

@@RichardBarclay changing the race fundamentally changes the character, changing the hair doesn't

@RichardBarclay 2 года назад

@@stoutsprout4297 that's not the point, Fred's blonde hair is iconic, changing that would be like removing the pointy ears from Batman's cowl or something.

@stoutsprout4297 2 года назад

@@RichardBarclay So was Velma's ethnicity, swapping that would be like making Scooby a Shiba instead of a Great Dane. If they wanted to to make such a drastic change why not just make a new character with a blank slate instead of forcing changes that don't fit the character?

@RichardBarclay 2 года назад

@@stoutsprout4297 I don't agree, the main iconic things about Velma are her glasses and hair style, nothing about her skin colour.

@herbdandilion3434 Год назад

OH MY GOD A NERDSYNCH VIDEO IM STOKED I HAVENT SEEN ANY NEW CONTENT IN SO LONG

@jamesroseii 2 года назад

Dude, I am so glad that you do so much Scooby Doo content. That really makes me happy.

@daseal1479 2 года назад

It's not that I'm totally against the idea, I just get the feeling that they won't use it in any more interesting ways, and it comes off as very much forced when they do that to longtime pre-existing characters. I feel like there's a chance she'll talk and act nothing like Velma, and just be a self-insert of the voice actress using only Velma's most basic traits, her wit and intelligence, and nothing more.

@matthewgagnon9426 2 года назад

"Velma's most basic traits, her wit and intelligence, and nothing more." So, like every new iteration of Scooby Doo ever? Her character has changed wildly from iteration to iteration, changing her skin tone being the line in the sand some people have is bizarre at best or racist at worst.

@PeterGriffin11 2 года назад

@@matthewgagnon9426 So if Steve Urkel got his very own modern day spinoff and he was suddenly made Hispanic or white anyone taking issue with it would be "bizzare at best or racist at worst"? Because much like Velma his race isn't relevant to his character either and his main personality trait is also being a stereotypical nerd.

@inyrui 2 года назад

Tbh I'm just on the fence because Mindy's shows have always been really mid. I just don't like her sense of humor so I hope the show isn't like that

@Whitemenhavelittledicks 2 года назад

@@PeterGriffin11 His race is entirely integral to the show. Steve Urkel being black alone is important enough and vital to his character. There are not many black characters during the 90s who were rich, well spoken, educated and lived in an upper middle class suburbia without being rendered down to some sort of stereotype, and literally not to mention BIPoC ARE NOT REPRESENTED ENOUGH IN HOLLYWOOD COMPARED TO WHITE PEOPLE WHO MAKES UP 99% OF MEDIA!

@Whitemenhavelittledicks 2 года назад

@@inyrui then don’t watch.

@omniframe8612 2 года назад

It would be cool if this just leads into a new scooby doo show altogether. That’s on the same level of maturity, i like your idea about having it be centered around Velma in her book store days

@OKittenPlayz 2 года назад

A different timeline/universe?!?!?! :0

@SquidGuido Год назад

I just love that Mathew Lillard still plays shaggy

@austinw4537 Год назад

13:09 See: Supernatural Season 13, Episode 16 Your Scooby-Doo expertise has been called into question...

@singletona082 2 года назад

'Voiced by a producer.' OH BOY because having the lead producer for a show also being essentially the show's primary face has NEVER EVER NOT ended in a train wreck where said character becomes an insufferable mary/gary sue.

@zyaicob 2 года назад

Yeah the Mindy Project sorta does that... i didn't mind it but i didn't get past somewhere in season 5

@lukekoenig3655 2 года назад

At least for me, I feel like they are pushing for diversity, which is fine and all, but to change an established character, which I'm aware has been done before, but to do it just for diversity, when they have the ability to make new chracters distinct without chaning a popular and well defined character just rubs me the wrong way.

@OnlyMichaelJackson 2 года назад

exactly it's cheap and disingenuous

@yorukage5926 2 года назад

Exactly. They are literally only doing it to shove it down people's throats

@lukekoenig3655 2 года назад

@@yorukage5926 yes!

@aoki556 2 года назад

also tokenism as it’s just the one. if we’re going to pretend this is an alternate universe and change a character, then they should diversify the whole main cast

@trayjohnson7065 2 года назад

I mean, like @nerdsync said in the video, Velma not being white has happened multiple times. You act like her being another race matters to her character lol

@d_1044 Год назад

Producer:”we’re doing some real mature sassy personalities in this scoob series” Oh cool, can’t wait Producer:”we’re changing up their looks a little too, something more diverse” Oh, well okay. As long as they’re still the old loveable crew! Producer:”well actually, we were planning on splitting them up a bit. Also. We killed the dog” …what?

@cooltrainervaultboy-39 2 года назад

I'll admit that I'm in the camp of being concerned with all three points. Velma being Hispanic or Asian makes sense when you factor in that us Hispanics can come off as White passing (myself as an example), and honestly, the same can be said about the actress in the live action prequels. Hell I can think of two other actors who are in what can be considered minority groups, that actually look the characters they play on screen. Those being Lynda Carter who is a Latina Queen, and Dean Cain who is of Japanese decent. Both of these actors actually look like Wonder Woman and Superman respectively. But making Velma match the show runner, who is also the writer, who is also the director, who is also the actress playing Velma kinda sounds like a vanity project. As for making it adult oriented, yeah big red flags there. One resent adult oriented show that comes to mind is Santa Inc., and one of the major criticisms I heard about that show was how heavy it was with it's adult humor. The main character's brother singing about nothing, but his weiner all the time, her mom always taking her clothes off, and her best friend being a sex crazed deviant! The raunchy comedy was even compared to Sausage Party! As for the violence, Scooby Doo has a child friend image with each mainline incarnation. Sure there was that one time they crossed over with Supernatural, but that was a case of parody. I will, however, agree to the pitch of making an adult oriented adaption where the monster start killing people, and the mysteries can go beyond simple, "Who is scary away the folks away from location." But yeah, I have absolutely no faith in this project.

@Kalani_Saiko 2 года назад

Not to mention the Supernatural crossover was specifically an episode of Supernatural.

@michaeldavidnvitales 2 года назад

Well said. 🙏🏻

@sammygecko_ Год назад

Like how you compared the comedy in Santa inc to Sausage Party bc it was created by the same guy

@YourTurnCutie Год назад

calling lynda Latina is a bit of a stretch lol

@holyhandgrenades3013 Год назад

You're "white passing" because you ARE white. You literally have European blood and genes in you. There's nothing wrong with you having European blood and genes in your mix.

@pennyforyourthots 2 года назад

I'm going to be honest, I think the show's premise kind of stretches beyond what fits in with the Scooby-Doo property, and not really in the good "pushing the boundaries" kind of way. When most media innovates on its own property, it takes a few aspect of it and makes it more interesting. Zombie Island made the monsters real but kept the characters and tone relatively the same, what's New Scooby-Doo was a modernized reboot, mystery Incorporated focused on serialized storytelling, etc. This current show changes so much about Scooby-Doo as a property that it kind of ceases to feel like the same thing. Not focused on the supernatural (but real crimes), the group isn't present in a major capacity, a darker tone, probably serialized, etc. Velma is seemingly the only remnant of Scooby-Doo in the shows DNA (as far as we've seen). Based on the track record of other Scooby-Doo properties and how a lot of these backstory reboots seem to go anyway, I can't imagine it's going to be good. Honestly, if it wasn't for velma's appearance, I don't know if anybody would be talking about this show. Also I don't hate that they changed velma's ethnicity, although I would criticize the fact that whenever they change the ethnicity of a character in Scooby-Doo it almost exclusively seems to be Velma. We have other characters in the cast, can we not do it to anybody else? Like you could very easily make Fred a black dude and nobody would care lol. Is it not impossible to have two diverse characters in the cast?

@cooltrainervaultboy-39 2 года назад

Eh, knowing Hollywood, they'd go for Daphne being the race bent one. What with it always being the redheads who gets the race change, and whatnot. Gingercide, as it's known.

@aldogrof6700 2 года назад

Perfectly said also why race-bend Velma in the first play like how does that truly expand or modernize her characterization other than making her a token minority for progressive points???

@pennyforyourthots 2 года назад

@@aldogrof6700 there are often aspects of minority identities that aren't seen by anybody outside of those communities, so seeing a character represent these "in jokes" so to speak when written by somebody familiar with the culture really helps you engage with the work in a unique way as somebody who's part of that community. Companies make these characters for "progressive points", but the people behind these characters often wish for representation, not only in the visual sense, but culturally as well. Cultural attitudes can change the way a character presents, even if their core personality remains the same. Certain identities also fundamentally interact with the world in different ways. I make a film set in New York in 2004 with a character of Middle Eastern descent, it's sure as hell going to change the character.

@eddymadison9655 2 года назад

NerdSynch : I am a Scooby Doo expert JelloApocalypse : Not on my watch

@rorrim0 2 года назад

The thing about Velmas race is that it's a lot more noticeable when you change skin colors. Live action is a bit more forgivable. Even when incorporating your self into the character a bit, why change the skin color? Color is not a personality trait. I will agree brunette Fred is a crime.

@SketchaMouse Год назад

I prefer that characters not be race swapped and im mexican so even in "Scoob!" I thought it was unnecessary. I grew up watch many of the different shows, so im used to her being white. How ever i do agree with you on that when it comes to live action, it's not a big deal for me either when they get different race to play the character. Reason is cause sometimes it's hard to find the right actor but sometimes a different race actor will have the appearance of the character. Only if the actor looks so different from the character, is when i have a problem with it.

@etilworg 2 года назад

The problem is not that Velma is another race, the problem is that Velma is a self-insert character for the show runner. Few people can make that works, because few people have a personality/life that made interesting follow it. You can argue that voice actors have self inserts into characters but they are not responsibles for the overal show, a good writer can put a self-insert character into a good plot. But a bad writer can only put himself in the center of the show because, they dont know anything else. They struggle to give motivations to characters other than themselves. Then, this show starts as "a writer put herself, disguised as Velma, into a high school comedy to solve mysteries with nudity and gore" That will fail because "reicists can not see velma in another race" .

@JoseLopez-gi9sf 2 года назад

You also have to remember the premise of Scooby-Doo. The whole team are meddling kids catching the bad guys. Not just one person, and if we are going to go into the fact that only Velma can solve mystery undermines the shows premises. The only ones that can really do that are Shaggy and scooby. Because in my opinion that works. I loved the Ghoul school or shaggy turning into a werewolf, or the boo brothers. And even tho this guy didnt like the thirteen ghost. I love that one too. But it is a team effort regardless. Not just one person, and mindy, i believe has gotten a big head thinking that people want to watch her from the office so they will watch anything she takes out. When most of her shows have already failed.

@Tortilla_Pizzeria_Pixels 2 года назад

But is changing her race not an issue? Would it not be an issue for you if they took a colored character and made them white? Sure, it might not change her personality, and that’s good, but it’s still a social issue.

@megaman37456 2 года назад

Race Swapping works both ways, Whitewashing, Blackwashing, Asianwashing, Indianwashing it's ALL equally racist.

@NateTheGreat368 2 года назад

@@Tortilla_Pizzeria_Pixels if they took a colored character who already exists and made them white yes it would still be dumb lol. Just make a new character the race you want it's literally that simple.

@yesyouareright9800 Год назад

Not an issue? No that is racist and disgusting

@Nyorane 2 года назад

Velma sometimes being and sometimes not being Jewish didn't change her appearance. Velma being Hispanic in Scoob didn't result in any massive design changes, just minor tweaks that technically didn't even have to be added since Hispanic people have a wide gamut of features from light to dark, straight-haired to curly, etc. Velma being played by a Japanese actress in the live action movie- I mean, it's not like you're expected to get plastic surgery to change your race for a role. Plus she had a light complexion anyway that visually matched the character (I don't know why they made Fred brunet, he was intentionally designed to be blond). This new Velma isn't live action nor is she being given some throwaway cultural detail, she's a preexisting character intentionally being racebent just cuz the director wanted it. Recall the Avatar: The Last Airbender movie by Shyamalan where the Water Tribe & Aang were made European from Inuit/Tibetan and the Fire Nation went from Japanese to Indian. These are seemingly random changes that misrepresent the source material/original creative intent for no good reason. You also don't have to be the same race as a character to voice them. E.g. Samurai Jack is played by an African American man, or even any dub of an imported series. It's just very arbitrary and out of left field. This wasn't a change people have been clamoring for for years that they're finally satiating, nor were prior ethnic 'deviations' made headline news. I personally would find it just as random if they made her skin blue or orange, or gave her dreads or an Italian accent or renamed her Daisy out of nowhere. It's just so arbitrary. I also found them making Daphne a lol so random XD puppet girl goofball to be very arbitrary and out of nowhere, just another attempt to 'fix' the characters by changing elements instead of building upon them.

@sammygecko_ Год назад

“Intentionally designed to be blond” Think that’s just a reflection of the time for what they thought a male leader would be. (From a more cynical((?)) perspective, I guess) The fact that Hannah Barbara made a bajillion SD clones after its success just makes me think less about the integrity/foresight of the original designs.

@chrisl7680 Год назад

It doesn’t matter. It really doesn’t, none of it is worth spending time thinking about. If anything, it would be good for an Indian kid to see someone that looks like them on screen- you know, other than Apu.

@boringfish Год назад

@@chrisl7680 Apu isn't the only South Asian character on TV. Connie was one for example and she was well written and not stereotypical. Edit: Also, "Velma" is being made for adults so what Indian kid is going to be able to connect with the new Velma?

@wakkaseta8351 Год назад

@@chrisl7680 Yeah, how dare we show kids a hardworking and intelligent family man who made a life for himself and became an involved and respected member of his community.

@urmum4452 Год назад

im not reading that whole thing

@Tuco_Salamanca3 Год назад

Calling people racist for being mad that they disingenuously race swapped a character doesn’t make you cool and trendy

@speedy01247 2 года назад

I like the shop idea, heres some things I considered adding (and not just for a scooby doo show, it could be its own thing) retired detective (perhaps bored of the normal and craving something new), bookshop filled with information about mysteries and stuff, young (late teens early twenties) assistant who happens to bring mysteries just crawling to the bookshops door and perhaps some interesting friends who we meet along the way (perhaps family, friends people of interest in the community of whatever small town they are in)

@shelbymckinney8888 2 года назад

Honestly, I would be way more down for a Hex Girls spin-off series. Anyone remember the Hex Girls?

@Feline_Femboy 2 года назад

My og childhood crushes

@MrE_ 2 года назад

The problem I see with significant changes to classic/well-known characters is that most of the changes are so unimportant that they should have just left it the same. If changing her skin tone amd ethnicity is such an insignificant change, then why even change it? With minor characters like the villains, changing them is fine. But with the main characters, it's best to keep them as close to the nostalgic characters we know and love. But you are right, that isn't really the main issue here. The bigger issue is all the other changes like making it only about Velma with no scooby while being an adult comedy.

@Munch_Bunny 2 года назад

Exactly i mean i'am from iraq and the show my mother grew up watching it and i grew up watching it and not once though that it's white show or something like that but now after 50 years made a change that big its will just be an exclusive American show for American.

@BanazirGalpsi1968 Год назад

My favorite are the original late 60s,early 70s, and the new Scooby movies.

@VirginiaDowdy777821 2 года назад

Making a Scooby-Doo film without Scooby-Doo is like making a Transformers movie without the Transformers. It doesn't make sense.

@toontrooper4103 2 года назад

"if one Mindy can do it why can't another Mindy?" That couldn't have fit more perfectly wow.

@tallyprestin1881 2 года назад

Like a Velma version of "murder, she wrote" that sounds great. You're right, they should have done that.

@ab-hx8qe 2 года назад

If you just race swap a character for the sake of a marketing gimmick you cheapen the original point of race swapping in the first place. What’s more insulting, not seeing your race represented in a show or seeing an established character wearing your race like a skin suit?

@BobiousCeasar 2 года назад

When he said “we got dark” I immediately got a hersheys commercial, LOL

@Maxz92 2 года назад

I think that the high school setting is pretty limiting for what can be done in an "adult" show. When I first heard that this show was happening, I wrote like a 6-page test pilot basically as a proof of concept to my friends. That is like a neo-noir with Velma as an experienced private investigator, 15 years removed from Mystery Incorporated and I included a handful of cameos from other Hanna Barbera characters. I wish they had gone a similar route with this. Hopefully what we actually get is decent.

@JayTowers901 2 года назад

A scrappy redemption show also works

@urapeenees340 2 года назад

What do you expect. It’s gonna be like Riverdale. It’s not “adult” show, it’s a teen drama

@beththedarkmage3359 2 года назад

If it's well made, you can always pitch it, or add it to your portfolio. What you made is called a speculative script, and plenty of companies require those in their hiring for new writers, as it shows you can adapt to another work instead of being stuck in your own original bubble all the time.

@tahutoa 2 года назад

That's what I expected when I first heard about it, too.

@OurKindofEntertainment 2 года назад

You and Billiam are the go-to experts of all things Scooby related in my book

@supergeoff 2 года назад

Billiam is a true Scooby-Doo Expert

@basilciccone1679 2 года назад

@@supergeoff ⁉️

@slevinchannel7589 2 года назад

Wow, you lack sources

@OhWowThatsDumb 2 года назад

I miss billiam he needs to upload more

@phoenix_waffles2122 2 года назад

Also JelloApocolypse

@SuperIsaiah Год назад

Shaggy and Scooby Doo get a clue is actually not that bad

@2ToThePower Год назад

this is a cool video and i agree with everything you said but the live action camera bits made me think my glasses were smudged

@silentpaw 2 года назад

While I do have a problem with the idea of trying to make Velma more adult, and knowing most adult cartoons seem to go for gross out humor. My biggest problem with Velma is that Hoodie, I mean seriously who wears a hoodie with a turtleneck, and the color! No self respecting human would wear that color hoodie over an orange turtleneck. Maybe this will get fixed in the series, and I really hope so.

@Oturan20 2 года назад

No self-respecting human wears a hoodie over a turtleneck regardless!

@makaiev 2 года назад

Nothing is gonna top "A pup named Scooby Doo" is a sentence I could die for, it's the definitive origin story!

@TekRonan 2 года назад

Me: *hears mention of the "office" and proceeds to get flashbacks of humor so bad I either cringe or feel like falling asleep*

@dennyartss 2 года назад

The thing is everyone knows her as a white person and it's just part of her look. If it isn't important to the story then why even change it?? Constantly changing races of a character makes the character confusing and inconsistent. And that's pretty much it.

@AtomicDenson 2 года назад

Any series or character that gets Race, gender, sex or religion swapped *ALWAYS* starts controversy, especially if they are already established. Velma having her race or religion swapped causes issue because most people recognize how Velma normally looks like. Race is one thing that is more obvious to people than the others aside from gender. They could have left Velma’s race alone, but mentioned maybe her parents are said race and that maybe she is mixed race. But no…, they aren’t going to do that. They’re going to Cater to the celebrity’s whim.

@skylarmartin4247 2 года назад

I don’t see how it’s an issue that Velma in this new series is going to be South Asian, as long as they keep the key few features from Velma’s character in all earlier seasons of the show I don’t think it’s an issue.

@AtomicDenson 2 года назад

@Skylar Martin the issue is that more or less Velma already has a very iconic and established look. Changing that is going upset a lot of people. Plus, this is going to be easy fuel for the whole race swap argument and the double standards argument tied to it. Their changing a established character for the whim and desire of a celeb. Who just wants to voice a popular character, but *ONLY* if said character “ *LOOKS MORE LIKE THEM* ”.

@skylarmartin4247 2 года назад

@@AtomicDenson I guess, but if you really think about the time that Scooby Doo was created it makes more sense if they were mostly all white in the group anyways. Mindy making Velma, South Asian feels fine to me and plus I don’t see her changing the race as a hindrance. I think she just wants to see herself in the character and I don’t really think that should be an issue.

@AtomicDenson 2 года назад

@@skylarmartin4247 it’s not an issue to you, because you most likely didn’t grow up with these characters. So, to you having Velma or any other character race or religion or gender swapped is not an issue. But to somebody else who has grown up with Velma and the Mystery gang, it is potentially ruining a beloved character. It be like taking your favorite character, and changing them just because some famous actor/actress wants to voice them or play them.

@skylarmartin4247 2 года назад

@@AtomicDenson well, I in fact have grown up watching many different variations of Scooby Doo mystery Inc. and I think it’s OK if somebody wants to be able to see themselves in a character that’s very moldable. I still don’t understand and I personally don’t care if someone changes the race of a character I like. If they changed the race of Kim possible, I really doubt she would be that different. Unless they played into stereotypes about the different race are portraying. Plus you can add different dynamics, the only reason I can see this being such a big deal if people discriminate against poc characters.

@Dar512 2 года назад

That show Scott pitched where the gang face real monsters brutally murdering people and have to face reality is basically the whole plot for the Supernatural and Scooby Doo Cross over : Scoobynatrual . I highly recommend that episode.

@eli_innuendo Год назад

Love your commentary continue to be a great person

@isabella-hp7fo 2 года назад

on the ending I just want to say thank you for not making it a 40-minute documentary, there's too many of those and I appreciate such entertaining and informative videos that don't make it into a whole movie!!