We Opened Up A FAKE Patek Philippe Nautilus | This Replica 5712 is INSANE! 

Perhaps this defect was done on purpose, in order to recognize original ones from copies ?

@@InXLsisDeo​​⁠​⁠ no, look at any pictures, he’s right. That’s definitely a 1 or 10 o’clock marker by mistake

Can you explain? Aren't all the markers the same?

@@robertbrandywine No, look at the chapter ring end of the 10, 11, 1 and 2 markers. They're cut at an angle. The marker at 2 o'clock is clearly a marker for one of the other positions, that required a cut at the opposite angle, like 10 o'clock or 1 o'clock. It's extraordinary that this would be incorrect on a watch at this price point.

Thanks, I see the pattern now. @@arcadely

lol right, that was the first thing I noticed on the box

Have you seen the 2 marker on the authentic that is completely wrong by Patek?

yeah, he overlooked it even he magnified it.....

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This is in fact why we zoomed in on it in the video!

Thank you! We will always try to be objective about it.

11:00 if they are selling it now for $1000, they could make a perfect clone for $3-4000

What is the forking point of this expensive watches, beside to use as an uncomfortable jewelry? We all have phones where you can get all the time)) can anyone explain?)) I get expensive cars, houses, paintings that can influence the mood o r just things that we use everyday , but watch?))why ?))

if you have to ask, then you’ll likely never understand why.

@twiki1963 don't play philosopher diklove! if can't explain don't reply

@@alltheusernameswastaken8936 sarcasm

@@alltheusernameswastaken8936 Thank you.

Yep, that's how you know RU-vid and RU-vidrs' priorities are in the right place

Like weeds, you kill one another one appears.

Thank you! Check out our others!

Thank you! A lot of people come together to make these videos possible. We will keep them coming!

Really good point. Never thought of it that way.

That implies there are only a limited number of customers, I don’t think that is the case, at all.

I won't hold back on the technical bits! It seems many people want to get nerdy with it. Challenge accepted.

Sir, sorry to hear that you were attacked for your watch. Would you mind sharing the city were the event occurred? Thank you

Goos spot

Yes maybe they can sell this one at auction for a high value... These small mistakes are due to their immense pressure to meet demand but does not compromise the overall quality in terms of cleanliness or precision.

@@juxtaplay You could always "manufacture" this mistake if you wanted to, so I don't see the value being higher.

How the hell did they miss that?

That's what 50,000€ buys you. As well as a crap box.

We will continue to nerd out on this stuff! The technical bits are fun and important. Glad to hear you enjoy it.

@@juxtaplay the new Clean factory Explorer 40mm would be very interesting to see a comparison on. Rumor has it is very very close to gen.

Thank you!

This is hilarious. A guy discussing microscopic dust particles and small imperfections on the hands that aren't visible to the naked eye, but he misses the fact that not the correct indices were applied?! 🤦🏼‍♀🤦🏻‍♂🤦🏽 Since, as he claims, the watch hasn't been opened since it left the factory, this really goes to show how fantastic Patek's QC is.

​@@jonathancorbett7882 If the claim the watch hasn't been opened, then it's definitely a cause to return the watch. That said though, some might find it a "quirk" and actually value the watch higher.

Pretty unlucky for the content creator here. His point remains, but the reality is he just grabbed a used/scratched OEM to work with and wouldn't really know its history. It's also worth pointing out that *no one* is perfect, not even the demi-Gods of watchmaking. Glad you were able to identify and point this out - good stuff!!

That's a good spot! Can't unsee it now you mention it.

@@jonathancorbett7882 Super important to differentiate the difference in cleanliness and continuity here. The "quality" is not compromised because of an incorrectly applied index. Goes to show that what they say must be true! No one is perfect. Neither Patek nor myself. But it is all in the details. Thanks for the criticism here. Mistakes can be a good catalyst for improvement.

I guess you didn't notice they even misspelled Quality "contral."

Breguet has done similar trick where the movement says 22 jewels and the picture on their website would say 24 jewels, so many reps/fakes say 24 jewels instead of 22 like the gen.

Yeah, Sherwin Williams can color match better than that.

and the finishing on the seconds sub-dial too ;)

@@SnazzyZubloidsIt is all deliberate. Every 6-12 months the clone factories release a new model with different (deliberate) flaws.

Just proves how inflated the prices are

True, but unless you have all the other things that go with the lifestyle, why advertise that your life didn't turn out the way you had hoped it would. A friend had a fake rose gold Cartier he wore for business meetings and drove a new convertible Bentley. No one thought his watch was a fake, why would they ?

​@@alecbaldwinsnotpropgun when you have to develop your movement and not copy it of course it's not gonna be 800€. Not to mention the materials that are absolute crap on the fake

@@LeMarsouin9 material and movement is dirt cheap with today's tech and resources, chinese brands already made super complicated movement, Seagull for example made tourbillon, minute repeater... for sub 1k$ on their own (not replicating anyone). They copy this movement just because of the brand name and that's also the only thing hyped up the real watch.

Only the watch geeks would spot this anomaly - 99% of people have no idea. Plus personally, if someone knew it was a fake and judged me harshly for it, so be it, no water on my back man I just love the design! Plus the complications are fully functioning! which other brand can offer that for around $1,000? Its a tricky topic for sure @@jjefferyworboys8138

I bought my 70 year old dad a Nautilus replica for christmas... he has no idea what it is. Every now and then he gets people saying that "hes wearing a very nice watch" lol.

@FBI

It couldn't cost much extra to duplicate the weight of the rotor.

Its gold ​@robertbrandywine

I'm wondering 🤔.....if you replace the replica roter weight with an actual 22k roter weight of it will work as good as the original 🤔 I'm a jeweler so it would be cheaper and easier to do that than dropping 70k 🤔🤷🏽‍♂️

@user-hi9qs3hq1q it wouldn't improve the movement, but it would look cool

That proves to me that Patek is about watches, not boxes.

This is just a temp box for it to be stored at the AD. Their boxes are wood and very high quality. Next time we will compare the wooden boxes.

I checked the price: 50,000€. This has to be a joke. In Asia, you have wooden boxes lined with silk or flanel for items selling less than 100€.

it's not a joke the watches are extremely high quality @@InXLsisDeo

90% likeness at 2% of the cost its a tough choice. Especially if you want to wear it daily.

do you know where to get a good rep?

Where can I get these? Haha

@@squidballs101 just do a Web search for Super clone

Wholesome! Thank you. We plan to do more! Good recommendations.

Yes, that's what I was going to say; its "fuzzy".

or is it those Swiss ock uckers are just grossly way overcharging for theyre product?

​@@swiftusmaximus5651They're obviously charging extra because they can, however the fakers dont have to spend on a designer, R&D and years of advertising and building the brand. Theres a reason they're faking these watches instead of putting their own brand on it.

@@carlad2640 So all that makes a $ 5-6000 watch cost $50-60 K.

Maybe, maybe not, but why do you care? They can charge what they want and if people buy it then they're not out of the market. @swiftusmaximus5651

If they had half a brain they would just create their own brand. And sell for more as an original. The minor deviation alter the patent.

You definitely pay premium for the original Ferrari or Rolex, but I wouldn't buy a fake Ferrari out of fear that a cost-cutting part or subpar weld would fail at a critical moment. When you buy the real thing you also buy the peace of mind that comes with the brand.

@@twowheellatte "peace of mind that comes with the brand" How to tell me youve never driven a ferrari without saying it. Enzo hated his customers and that ethos is still part of the brand, they are not well made cars.

a ferrari couldnt be replicated, it would cost too much. i drive a ferrari. i have a few supercars all are amazing but not all are ferrari. an amg gtr is better every place than a ferrari but its still not a ferrari.

that’s some twisted logic buddy. the value is the value - what the next guy is willing to pay for it. if someone tries to sell an inauthentic PP he’s either going to lose his shirt or commit a crime - that’s the “value” of a replica. maybe you’re confusing financial value with some sort of utility.

Wells said, and we all agree its not worth it in the first place hahah

You good with the upside 2 o'clock indice?

We have yet to see a free-sprung balance on a replica. It's not saying they can't do it but the price of the watch must remain within reach for those interested in the replicas.

@@PeterWatchmakerWristcheck indeed, and $1000 is already pushing boundaries. I am afraid we will see hi-end fakes costing several thousands in the near future. The technology is there (reverse-engineering, CNC) as well as the market if the hi-horology brands keep treating prospect buyers disrespectfully.

​@@eugo6100where ?

@@cedarcanoe I would bet we won't see high-end fakes like you're referring to. It's not in their interest to make such watches. The costs are too high and the buyers are too few. They have realised the largest market for "super clones" (they're not super at all) is $500-$800 USD. Closest thing we will see is individuals making super franken clones which we already see.

But where can you even buy these? You gotta go to China right?

In that case, you're a fake person as well. Unobtainum should be left unobtainium unless you actually have the cash to splash for it.

just don't. You're buying from criminals just so you can showboat what you don't have. Not to mention that the watch was produced with very bad working conditions.

Not everyone has $88.000 to buy a stupid watch!! @@thebrickshooter5974

No pay the inflated price. Actually, if you want a new one, you're not allowed to look in the window, let alone go in the shop. Trinkets for people with more money than sense. Its a sad world, two of these watches could house a family, but they'd rather wear it on their wrist, its actually revolting.

​@@thebrickshooter5974 200 x more, whoes the criminal?

@@thebrickshooter5974 criminals? How so?

Your right. But as blockchain develops it will ensure authenticity. You will simply scan your friends watch band at the bar... and this will confirm that the Watche and ita corresponding NFT is unique and registered.... of course the private key is stored at home in a safe. When sold on fhe aftermarket Patek is notified and a new private key NFT is issued to the new buyer. This tech is here now and will be mainstream within the next few years.

That's why we do what we do! We authenticate every watch in front of the client if they wish as you mentioned. This transparency is the only way the secondary market can feel "safe." Of course we find things that make us uneasy but those watches never make it to consignment. Very few secondary dealers actually have a watchmaker/authenticator with enough experience to inspect all of the watches.

Any watch enthusiast could tell it was a fake 5 seconds after opening it.

so it's more safe like that

The only reason I would buy a replica is that I already owned the real one.

@@jjefferyworboys8138 yes correct

Oh, I understand the security aspects of wanting to wear the fake outdoors, but doesn't that interfere with the enjoyment of the real thing? Also, it is still illegal in many countries to trade in fakes with some pretty severe penalties. It is just sad that you have to resort to these measures not to lose your investment.@@shahlegno5890

I am considering just this as I can’t wear my Rolexes in London for fear of theft.

Let's not forget they have the authentic watch in their possession. We do this to educate people so they know what to look for. The replica industry will thrive with or without our video production.

@@juxtaplay Having the authentic watch in their possession and knowing where they need to make improvements and what to prioritise are not the same thing. I have witnessed this kind of thing personally where following my publicly highlighting issues with faked dials on vintage watches, 18-24 months down the line the people replicating the original dials have addressed every single issue that I raised. As an aside, you'd be surprised how difficult it can be - particularly for those for whom the "English"/"Western" alphabet is not their native one - to duplicate fonts perfectly. There are several issues with the fonts here also of course, although frankly in this instance it's interesting to note that the printing of the dates is objectively of higher quality on the fake watch than the original. Regardless of whatever your honourable intentions are with videos like this one, what you have actually created is probably the best possible advert and publicity for the replica manufacturers that they could ever hope for, whilst at the same time giving them clear and specific instructions on how to improve their product.

You are missing the point. The video really helps promoting the clone. If they can produce at this level, they don't need any pointers. They only need to bring the price down.

@@followyourpassion8378 Nah, I'm not missing the point at all. Maybe spend some time looking at how the rep factories have been improving their product over the last decade, and then come back and state that you reckon they're happy now and will just stop. But do enjoy the little fantasy world that you inhabit, it sounds lovely.

Same.

This seems to be an advert for super clone reps. 😳

Until you own the real watch. Then you'd laugh at all fakes. The feeling you get when owning an original Patek, AP or alike is incomparable. I know the fake lovers will start shouting now, but that's because they need to prove it to themselves they scored a good deal. Whereas the fake is just a fake.

Cheap labor? 0 marketing cost?

@@WestCoastAce27cheap labor yes , $0 marketing cost not necessarily. They have marketing pages on Reddit where they explain which factory , which upgrades are coming , what upgrades have been done and they do giveaways and 10-30% off etc etc , TikTok, and other platforms also. And they pay RU-vidrs to do reviews . They do the same with fake sneakers

It's actually more like half of that amount. You have to know where to look for with these replicas to find the cheapest prices, most of the sellers you'll find easily are targeting you specifically, basically the foreign market, but if you look for those within the chinese domestic market you'll find they're selling these for much cheaper to themselves basically.

Price is like 3650 yuan from my dealer so it’s 500 dollars not 1000 lol

​@@famts3716what website did you find it on?

I know what you mean, but in reality once you open the box, you’ll never see it again, unless you wear the box on your head, boxhead

@@cc8530I have an Omega Seamaster 300. When I don't wear it I put it in the box with the lid open to display it.

That’s not the box you get when you buy the real ones, I have seen one and they are very high quality

"And the most wholesome comment goes toooooo"

Sorry my inner Kawhi Leonard was showing there.

And that's a surprise? The world of extreme luxury has nothing to do with value. It's about the stories we tell ourselves and the image we want to project.

@@pierrex3226keeps highly-skilled craftsmen in jobs too. Ultimately the monetary value of something is only what people are prepared to pay for it. Personally, I’d hate to live in a world where everything is mass-produced by robots. I’d love a Patek Philippe, but they are way out of my pocket 😂

The accuracy of this was all over the place, you can see it on the timegrapher reading.

But that can easily be overcome by regulating the watch. I have a Batgirl super clone in front of me that keeps incredibly good time, easily on par with its more expensive dad.@@Matt463634

They only reason to buy a real watch is because of it’s value or because it’s a very unique watch

It's not as simple as regularly unfortunately. The entire manufacturing process determines the precision once you get to the adjustment and poising stage. The reality is, yes they are cosmetically achieving close to 90% but the overall quality is closer to 30%. These watches don't last.

@@juxtaplay Yes indeed. I thought replica watches are treated as a disposable anyway.

Glad you like it! We want to continue making technical watchmaking content!

Why buy it if it's something you can't afford to wear 😂

​@@akademiks21Because crime and acceptance of robbery in most U.S. cities has become the rule. Owning the original and wearing a superclone enhances the experience by lowering fear. Many wealthy women with expensive engagement rings have been doing this for decades

@@peterkiviat9969 if that was case, go buy a less expensive watch as daily, why get an rep? Real reason is that these people pushed beyond their means to purchase something that they otherwise can't afford. No differ than someone who bought a 10th hand Ferrari then let it sit on the driveway because they can't afford maintenance.

So you're confusing the cosmetic similarity and the overall quality. Cosmetic may be getting closer to 90% but the overall quality is actually 30-40%. These watches will not last.

@@juxtaplayNot exactly. I know it's not the same thing, not do I expect the quality to match, nor do I expect it to last. But after I got one superclone and I look at it back and forth compared to my authentic one, it's very hard for me to justify paying 20-30x the price for more of them. For watches with actual complications, I can see the value, but not for your basic date function. For maybe $400 USD, it does the job plenty.

@@juxtaplay I don't see a reason why these watches won't last given they are built the same as the originals.

Your statement makes it hard to believe you ever bought an authentic high end watch. You wouldn't question an authentic watch. Never. It's not about the price, it's about the authenticity and the quality, hence its intrinsic value.

@@InXLsisDeo because they don't. Clearly you do not understand haute horlogerie and the engineering that goes with it.

That is how the watches are shipped to the AD, the AD is then supposed to open the paper box and put the watch in the mahogany Patek box

Mark is correct here. This is a temp box that is a placeholder for the wooden box that is allocated to the client when they open chase the watch. The watch must now be removed from the temp box before it leaves the AD.

Please don't expose ignorance.

Well considering the average Patek is around 100k and you can get a damn near identical replica for under 1k then I’d consider that a substantial savings.

And if you want to make it even closer, you can get all the mods including that gold rotor, engraved bridges and that “patented” free sprung balance wheel.

What's even more hilarious is that Patek put on the 2 marker the wrong way on their own dial.

I hear ya! But they make them because they sell them... And there are many people interested especially seeing the recent watches being so cosmetically similar to the authentic.

Why? It looks exactly the same and it can fool people that you have money even though you really don’t

@@juxtaplay I do understand what you’re saying, however it’s not the genuine thing. It’s a cheap fake, it’s much better to buy a real watch from another brand that a person can realistically afford instead of support illegal business. Not only that because it is a fake the value of the watch is worth nothing. You can’t even pass it on when you get old. In the end the watch will either brake or go in the trash because it is a fake. If it was real it would always be worth something, even if you bought another brand that would be worth something. But a fake won’t give you the real experience, waste your money, and is of no real value. I respect your opinion but a watch is a symbol of hard work or accomplishment. The fake gives neither.

@@BrianBTeman-in2rc That’s my point, why be deceptive? A lie only goes so far, and usually you have to keep lying to cover up the original lie you told when the truth is the watch is cheap Chinese made. It is better to buy what you can afford. If you pay 1000 USD for fake, you just lost all that money because you can’t sell or pass on, Or service a fake watch. For 1000 USD you can buy many good brands that hold real value. If you buy fake it will brake and you will have to throw it in the trash because it is a fake. It’s better to be the real you. If you can afford Longines, Tudor, Mido, Oris you are better off than 1000 fake Chinese watch.

Agree. But… do you know even if you win Powerball you have very little chance of getting the real thing? For Patek - and AP and Rolex - there are giant waiting lists.

you really think your wife got one of these for 200 dollars?! LOL

@@RobertGrant80 a fake one, yes. I don’t think I would even purchase a real one ($195,000) if I won the lottery!

where?

Not with the Patek movements no