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Is the fake in your Seamaster video made by Ziarex?

that would be me

Not Chinese, Hongkongers, I assure you that. Those guys are beasts.

@@vidung1234 not Hong Konger. a city called Guangzhou if u interested

Respect Intellectual property and join the real world

I am a Chinese dude but I love my watches and I wont be creating fakes. 🙌

True

yeah he rambles alot. he still manages to keep it entertaining though.

No one ever seems to.

He never does and 80% what he says is plain meaningless words

RandomTechS@#T only is meaningless to those who thinks so, to those who would listen and understand the ideology behind it, and can capture it. It is priceless, no matter what.

imagine buying fake xD

It's not a coincidence, ALL of these comments are from accounts made 4 weeks ago with beautiful women on their Profile pictures. Now why would that be? Is this channel buying comments from BOTS?

​@@pauliewalnuts5241 these bots need to learn

Someone in the government should do something about it.

This is a serious problem, we must react

Dooguk that says more about what they think you’re all about because there are millions of people around the world who would never knowingly buy anything fake let alone wear it.

@@charliezobel511 You've got it wrong mate. You would have to be a nutcase to walk around wearing a 4 grand watch around here. 😂

Love it!!!

As long as you know its a genuine watch and u r loving it, who cares what other people think.

@@Dooguk so where is "here" then?

Steve VC if it says Omege on the watch that’s probably why you feel like that.

Ginja Ninjaaa read the comment i replied to.

Ginja Ninjaaa please don’t confuse your lack of reading interpretation skills with a lack of intelligence on my part.

😂😂 true

Joe Kelly stfu

The Swiss are like that generally

Rolex sellers and dealers have an attitude about them!

That's one of the reasons I dislike Rolex, sadly. The other main reason will be the: hey, I want a rolex. Alright, I can't sell you a rolex right now.

They probably kept yours and gave you a fake back.

@@johngalt5205 Doubt it. It went to the Rolex operation in Geneva. The HQ.

🤣

You can fool the world but you can't fool yourself. Are you really saying that the best you can do for yourself is a fake? If you don't care then there's no need to reply.

Yu Tian agreed.

@Mr. Rosenberg People that buy luxury fakes are capable of buying regular brands but they're just as pretentious as the people they mock. They want the clout and the prestige of luxury but constantly lie to validate themselves on their self-righteousness of owning fakes.

best clone watch you can find on instagram: hiperclone24

lol

I got too deep in the wristwatch rabbithole when youtube recommended me one that I actually bought a fuckin speedmaster

Underrated and under appreciate comment. Lol:-))

>Have a couple of $40 Timexes. Maybe watched one review. >Watch videos of $1000+ watches recommended at least weekly.

same

Where did you get it from? Asking for a friend 😂😂

@@pitervain6644 Thanks! On Instagram??

Yes

For untrained eyes maybe. The shame is to buy such a cheap copy.

@@jb6587 if you want to wear it everyday and not worry about it being stolen or if you're being mugged then it's a better choice If you want to use it as an investment then get the real

LOL

This is the way

‘LOL’ I second that!

That would serve them right

Pudge Otamus: 😆‼️

LMAO

RU-vid won't pay you for a 2 minutes video I suppose

marry me

Be kind

lmao. This did get a bit pretentious and esoteric about 4 minutes in.

He is an expert not an idiot.

The fake on didn't have the ZrO2 logo under the dial stem and had black paint on the date compared to the original which has blue. It's quite hard to mix them up given that.

@@ndc5544p I watched again, I don't see the differences you were talking about

@@ndc5544p See them compared at 4:31 - both have the ZrO2 logo and blue paint (different shade, though) on the date. I guess the difference is amplified at certain viewing angles.

@Alan Naranjo Absolutely!

This. It's come so far that it's just insane and unless you have a 100% trained professional to pretty much disassemble the entire piece you have no clue what you're getting. Honestly, there's no reason to buy real Rolex IMO. I'm looking into a Franken Datejust build just because I love vintage DJ's, but the clones they make are just perfect anymore.

You and I will agree IP rights are to be respected. We can have an appreciation for the ability to replicate all we want, but stealing IP, R&D, and all the time, money, and labor that went into designing and creating something that captivates so many is clearly wrong. That said, I feel that very reality reinforces those prices. At $5,200 for this watch in particular, you are not only paying for a mass produced, albeit quality watch. You are also covering the costs of R&D and, quite honestly, the entire legacy that led to that watch. Without Omega, in this case, that $500 very accurate copy, would not exist. The connection it has to James Bond would not exist. It would cost $500 because no one would pay more for it (feature for feature). Ignoring for the moment that in a capitalist society, there should always be room for products at every price point, the simple reality is, that when you buy something that is extremely coveted... enough to warrant such a close copy to be made... you are are not only paying for a fine quality piece, but also paying for the very arduous road that made that piece even possible.

@@herewegoagain... R&D for a watch that's been the same for 52 years.

They will only charge what people will pay... They aren’t for regular humans. I’m not jealous of anyone. Well... to a point.

I think the point in these watches is for them to be expensive, and for the owner to feel like they've 'made it' when they buy it. If you don't care about lying to yourself and just want it for appearances, fair enough. No one would judge you for it, because they wouldn't ever notice, but you'll know.

There are plenty of genuine “Swiss Made” mechanical movement watches that are priced in the hundreds of dollars. High-quality watches from brands that are reputable and well known. In other words, your comment is moot and you will not able to objectively rebut my response to you. Next time, try to educate yourself before making ill informed and grossly subjective comments.

same sentiment here... UP

adding my tactical comment in case someone comments on which one's which

Same thoughts. Please add a letter F or R so we know what we’re looking at, otherwise there’s not much point to these videos

That's the point, no?

The fake is always the second in each closeup comparison shot.

HE IS OG

TRUE.

The same can be said about her orgasm.

Perfect

@@thethomasj1795 bruh shots fired

@@thethomasj1795 As long as you allow her to climax first--or give her the option to fake it--then your job as a gentleman has been fulfilled. The "real" love comes in the laundry. Does she do your laundry? If so, then don't worry about "fake" orgasms.

maybe you need a different she?

He made the fake quicker than he could get Coronavirus spread

@@DarylMT Too soon, maybe? 😜

These aren't even fakes, they're "factory second" or "night-time" versions made on off-hours at the real factory in China. This is what outsourcing gets you. Your own suppliers cheating you on your products.

@@thelastdwemer Wow! Whereabouts did that come from, is there a whistle-blower or source you could link?

@@Knapweed It's a common phenomenon for major companies outsourcing production to China and other third-world locales. I'm afraid I don't have an article on hand, but you can spot production like this when the "counterfeit" parts, especially cheaper plastic or ceramic parts or cast metal parts, have no difference from the "real" parts. They're all made abroad for cost savings purposes, and excess stock is re-sold to counterfeiters.

but no decades of craftsmanship and solid dedication

The copy guys are free to make their own stuff, with the price they want.

@bsdnix3 spoken like a broke boy. Let people with money enjoy what they want. Your seiko and Casio still tells the time! Stay in your lane broke Boi.

Min small man

@@ethancj5072 is that what your girlfriend calls you?

Min I am gay

Says more about your morals than anything else.

​@@Jabber-ig3iw ...Please elaborate, so I can embarrass you for that fallacious asinine claim. I truly look forward to your reply.

@@Dubb1000 Legend has it he is still crafting his reply.

Yeah.. Im wondering which site he got it from.. .asking for a friend of course. :P

I agree, the only reason I clicked on the video was to find out how I could order the fake one. lol

I always thought If someone makes a “fake” that is so perfect absolutely no flaws then isn’t it actually “authentic”

@@heytheist9349 ouchhh

I bought few times replicas , one , two drops and its garbage

yeah the replica maker should literally go into business for themselves lol and make their own products. I mean if theyre that good.

I want mine to run for a long time.

It’s a awsome Fake 👍

Don't think YT or Omega, once they found out, would like that very much, an account enabling a criminal act.

Search for replica watch forums and you're golden :D

they're hard to find. most of the high level fake stuff i bought was by accident. i guess you can't really advertise it due to legal reasons.

So where exactly where one find a link to these “replica” watches? Hypothetically of course

@DiZ Zkl seens like u have done something with cannabis :D

"I miei rolex aumentati così tanto..." poverino... speriamo che quando ti cremeranno te li lascino al polso, così sarai contento...

nothing impressive about stealing intellectual property. Making a homage is one thing, this is straight up stealing.

@@brianhsin678 why is it so easy to steal?

@@cristiandemirel1918 easy or not, stealing is stealing. That fake co-axial movement is farrrrrrrr from the real one. It will not be anti-magnetic, it will not hold METAS cert for long, if at all... It will not take the same beating, there is no promise of any water proofing. If water gets in, or the movement stops, it's not like you're able to take it back to the company. Also, I am sure it will not have the same longevity. This watch is for the person who wants people to think they have an Omega/Rolex etc. If that is what you're going for, and don't mind supporting black market activity, you're the target audience. Tons of homages out there by legit companies for people who like the design. Finally, you can get a 25 % discount on the SMP300 pretty easily from many AD's. At that discount, this model will retain it's value. You spend 500 Euros on a fake, it is worth 0.

@@brianhsin678 Imagine what they'll be able to do in 10 or 20 years from now! Good times ahead!

@@brianhsin678 these luxury watches going to become quite easy to copy in the next 10 years

There’s no robot in the world that assembles, oils and regulates watch movements Don’t confuse how a part is made with how it’s all put together.

@@wilkinson8707 Swatch Sistem 51

They usually find the serial number of one of the real watches (by buying one, photos or whatever the case may be) then engrave the same number on all of the fakes.

Karson Barnes Ok? Stolen legit serial.

@@TechPanzer So if I wanted to buy this seamaster from a chrono24 vendor, how can I be sure it's genuine?

@@rudydew111 just buy from a autorized seller

@@rudydew111 no way without having it in hand. Buy with a credit card through paypal, so if you have a dispute and paypal doesn't side with you, your credit card will. Only buy from people with return policies.

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Yes, it's like with brands like Gucci or Armani. It's never worth the money. You buy only the feeling to be somehow better than others.

In part, you are paying for the brand name.

@@noattitude7690 Gucci and Armani are not even considered luxury brands sometimes tbh:(

I think you are into something. Keep learning about branding and marketing.

They can fake anything, hope yours is from an AD.

They're both "real" - it's not like one of these is an imaginary watch. One just costs 10x more and has some slightly smoother edges when viewed under a microscope.

@@flt528 As if slightly smoother detail edges is the only thing you get in the original. 🤣 Somebody here didn't watch the video.

@@litamtondy Not really depends on if a movement they can't see matters all you have to do to figure out if a watch is real open up the battery compartment nine out of ten times and in this case would take the imposter it's not fake.

@@dmac7406 It is fake, you're just a victim of scammers. Watch the video, it clearly states the differences, and they are not only esthetical.

@@dmac7406 the battery compartment..? On an Omega Seamaster..?

If you can't afford a $5000 Swiss watch, them buy a $4000 or $3000, or even $2000 Swiss watch. There are fantastic Swiss brands in the entry level Swiss market. Brands such as Longines, Oris, Rado, etc, etc. No need to buy a fake Rolex or Omega. Heck, if even that's too much for you, buy a $500 Swiss watch from a brand such as Tissot or Hamilton. Won't be a Rolex, but at least these are old established brands that produce quality Swiss pieces at the lower end of the market, and they are not fakes. There's literally zero excuse to buy a fake watch

@@salty-as-heck9915 There is an excuse though, isn't there. Your argument is based on someone just wanting a Swiss watch, not a particular one. If you can afford £500 that buys you a Hamilton you never wanted or an Omega you really did, what will most choose? If they want a particular watch that they know is totally unaffordable, and find a replica that costs £500, go for it I say.

@@petercraggs2431 except the replica will never be the same as the real watch. The movement will be a cheaper Chinese or Japanese movement typically found in $100 to $400 watches, with less jewels, cheaper parts, lower beat rate, less accuracy. The materials of the dial, watch hands, etc., won't be the same and won't be finished with the same fit and finish and attention to detail...and I can say that from experience having owned everything from $200 Chinese Sea-gull watches, to all sorts of Seikos, Citizens, Orients, Tissot, Hamilton, Longines, Omega, Breitling, etc. Not to mention the replica watches will have zero resale value, whether I can resell my old Omega Seamaster auto from the late 1990s for $1000 over what I bought it for 11 years ago, and even the Longines Hydroconquest I'm wearing at the moment that I bought for $1000 with box and papers from a gray dealer a year ago I could flip right now for $800, and in 10 years I could probably sell it for $1,200 or so of I no longer like it. Try doing that with a replica, you can't. And a good watch is worth servicing and keeping with you for many decades, while replica watches are throw-away watches that you get rid of 5-6 years down the line when they stop working as no one will service them.

@@salty-as-heck9915 Funny that, because that's all you pay for a replica anyway... Do you think if people could afford a £2000 watch, they wouldn't buy one? But most people can't so guess what... If you paid attention to the video, you'd see that they both actually run at 28k vpm. And you can resell your omega for $1000? Wow. On the replica marker, you can also sell watches for what you paid for them. You're talking about a world you clearly don't understand.

@@petercraggs2431 you might want to read more carefully.. I said I could sell it for $1,000 more than what I paid for it... So not only did it keep its value, but it's actually worth more now. Anyway, buy what you want, but personally I'd prefer real to replica for all the reasons I mentioned.

I did the same, found a Tissot Seastar on sale for $500. Genuine watch, fantastic looks, reasonable accuracy for a mechanical watch at a 10th of the Omega.

true. do not overpay. for ~$1000 you will get a very good watch for the money from Swiss or Japanese brands. There is much more ways to spend money than wasting for retail overpriced watch

Where can I get the fake in the video

I think the same about homages. Rather have a good original seiko sarb, instead of a homage watch thats just not it.

True, every watch I own is an orient. A Bambino, a mako, and one orient star semi skeleton. Great watches at a fair price.

@@aRANDOMqUICKIEgunsandfun i only own a seiko sary053, got into serious watches 6 months ago.

Aaron Thomas good one

I had the 'opportunity' to buy this exact model and degree of precision fake for 700$.

@@Bob.martens where at? If you don't mind sharing

@@drodriguez1724 Belgium. I found it online (a very popular Belgian site for second-hand goods where literally anyone can advertise for free, generally not a good source for watches anyhow) for 650€. I knew that something was off, just because of the price. There were even reasonably detailed pictures, and only by comparing them side by side with reference pics I found like one visible screw missing. I made an appointment to go see it, never intending to buy it. The seller, a stereotype grom Central Casting, in spite of it's newness and lack of papers (there was a nice fake Omega box though) kept of course insisting it was genuine, and even loweried his price. I still don't understand who actually buys these. You could fool me with it from across a room, but anyone who knows what this is (most people can't tell an MVMT from an Omega, really) will spot it as at least 'weird' from any closer. But these fakes are getting better, though they basically are worthless once you buy them...

@@drodriguez1724 if you look well on dhgate you might find good replica

they cost one tenth because someone ain't getting paid(workers of the sweatshops), they won't deliever the same quality no matter the money because they just can't and if they could, they would've done that long ago and it would cost a lot, and finally they would absolutely not design a new movement or a new watch, they can only copy. You can choose to wear a mastercrafted original timepiece, or you can choose to wear a subpar, albeit flashy watch that you can't service in an official dealer or service center and which was made by an underpaid worker, i'm not giving a damn, just saying

@@dxdxdxdxdxd7125 Dont be silly, if they can make it to such a standard, they definitely fully understand how watches at these level are made, and designing a new movement is not hard, its just not worth it if you couldn't sell it for a shit ton of money. Making a high quality replica of a famous brand allow the investor to turn manufacturing capacity into profit with a very predictable income stream and low overhead, they only need to make a convincing copy of the real thing at a price point that is affordable to a lot of people, and they know customer will come. There are Chinese watch brands that are trying to make something out of themselves and design and make original watches, but its very hard work, and it mostly fall on marketing and brand building. In China, their strongest skillset are in science and engineering, to take something, reverse engineering it and then create a great copy of it is just easy for them. I would argue that all those famous brand are POS at their price point, as clearly if a replica at 15-20 times cheaper can get so close to it. Also don't be naive, if watch making is difficult, do you think that it would be cheap to get skilled labour thats pretty much on par with Omega in this case? As for servicing, why do you need an official dealer to service it? A watch is no different than any device, it can be serviced by someone who knows what they are doing. All my Porsche and BMWs have never serviced at the dealer because I have a trusted shop that deals with BMW and Porsche at a more reasonable price point. You sound like a snob. I have many fake high end watches and I have enjoyed them, I really just like their look and nothing else, as I see them as inferior time keeping POS, my $200 Bulova (this one is real lol) precisionist has a margin of error of 8sec PER YEAR, so any mechanical watches can go fxxk off pretending to be a watch that keeps good time in the 21st century. For all the fake high end watches I bought and enjoyed, I invested the difference into the stock and crypto over the years and I have made 7 figures gain. I can't thank my cheap stake ass enough for that lol.

​@@c2chung totally believeable, mate the part about cars and fake watches sounds true tho, what can i say, keep lying to yourself, misaligned markers, crooked numbers on a dial, imperfections, dirt under the crystal and so on and so forth, the fake is a fake, if designing a movement is so simple why the fakes are made without the original movement copied, but instead a cheap mass-produced one is placed there or a sloppy replica wannabe? And that is why the watchmakers have a problem with servicing it - they often don't know where the hell parts are coming from, because its not a familiar movement of the watch fake one is trying to copy, also Porshe and BMW shop needs to be certified, otherwise you are losing your manufacturer warranty, and from your words i suspect you have 10+ years young cars, so you don't have it anyway, and you can't compare a car service to a watch service as latter requires much less of it and of a different kind Bulova Precisionist is a very cool watch tho

dude. it doesn't even cost one tenth to produce gen watches.i just assume all watches are fake all the time

Super clone Daytona will set you back about £650, the real thing starts at £13,300 that one twentieth.

A badguy? What are you, 5? I hope you got your parent's permission to be on youtube, they might be disappointed in you otherwise.

Mamo if a bad guy points a knife at me he’s going to be really disappointed at what I point back at him and then take everything he has on him

@@huntersullivan51 In some places they literally cut your hand off with a machete to steal your watch.

Right???? I could see wearing a 5000.00 watch..... If I was hosting the Grammy Awards or when I'm trying to bullshit someone into thinking they can do business with me because I'm wearing a expensive ass watch. Or like my bro said to pull "chicks".

@@huntersullivan51 buddy i know my friend got shot for not handing his wallet to the thief.... he had to go through surgery as his pelvis got fractured... he walks with a cane now... so dont talk hollywood movie stuff here

Was gonna type exactly that.

I was waiting for that too, I tried to distinguish which one was fake but probably I will never know if I was right

@@furouco The one on the right is fake.

That’s the point though. He’s pointing out how difficult it is to spot a fake.

Thank you Ian. I wrote a comment -- much longer -- more or less saying the same thing.

it depends on who youre buying for. if you just want to look like you have a high end watch to other people then the fake is going to be good enough.

Marcquise White this is a great point. marketing have always sold us on craftsmanship and attention to detail for the high cost. But as this video shows, “craftsmanship” clearly doesn’t cost this much lol

I agree that many watches are overpriced strictly from the point of materials and production cost. However a painting that fetches millions is certainly not just the price of canvas and paint. As much as the fakes are impressive in reproducing the materials let's sit and watch those people produce an original design of their own. How desirable do you think their watches would be then?

@Marcquise White I agree that the same could be offered for less, but there is a lot that goes into delivering what Omega promises. A decorated in-house movement with a silicon hairspring that reaches an accuracy of 0/+5 sec is worth something. I agree, that the name Omega adds value as well, but in the video they discussed a replica at 1/10th the price. An unbranded watch that could actually preform as well as the authentic Omega would still fetch substantially more than the knock-off.

i know this quote from the office not oscar wilde lol

Go to replica watch info aka rwi there you can find trusted replica watch dealers:)

@@user-js2dr9gv1u Yes for 4grand

Go to Reddit

r/designerreps

uhm skrrttt nah man r/reptime

Not true, both watches show the correct time. So the man would be twice as sure.

He would know the time, close enough, not to matter.

I have over 20 watches. Now I know why I'm always late. I always thought it was my neck ties. Which tie looks better with this suit? Thanks Kevin! :)

Unless the man's one watch is unreliable. And the man with 2 has the same time on both. In which case the first man is blissfully ignorant of his problem while the second man has absolute faith in the consensus of his 2 watches

@@homeboy_roy1570 Some people are into fashion, and they use their phone for time.

And when buying an watch on forums, ebay etc. one usually doesn't have confirmed real thing to compare to.

At least these are harmless, The fake Apple and Samsung chargers can kill you. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-wi-b9k-0KfE.html

@@robinsattahip2376 They aren't really harmless though. If you are a diver and the fake fails while you are diving it could kill or seriously injure you.

a fool and his money is soon parted

@@slick8086 I would agree but no one professionally diving uses a mechanical watch the point is now moot.

Where you find that replica?

Mine is not a replica.@@markwild2100

You will never get the direct tie to George Daniels or his ingenious escapement in the fake. That can not and will never be replicated.

Alan Ashdown yah...what a deal for 10x more

@@titop96 sorry to disappoint but the co axial movement has been already replicated but only for the planet ocean and aqua Terra. Just Google: "A8900 super clone vsf"

@@patrickkallow4721 The direct tie to George Daniels will never be there. He worked directly with Omega passing down all of his knowledge and decades of experience with this escapement to produce the most accurate practical movements possible. George perfected the escapement to such a degree that he could measure changes in atmospheric pressure and humidity with the variance in time keeping. In order to make a real fake it would need to be done with the same equipment as Omega and the know how. There will always be cut corners when paying 1/10 th the cost.

@@patrickkallow4721 Correct, but the coaxial is still not there (the movement beats at 28800) and you can still recognize it by the fact that the rep has the regulator (while the gen is a free sprung balance). Great job by the factories anyway.

Ahahahhaa

ROFL!

Paying homage to the greatest homage

🤣

😂 this comment is gold

real ones can be a great heirloom for your kids though, the fakes not so much. also, if you ever fall on hard times, you can sell the rolex. but yeah, a rolex really isnt something that people appreciate anymore, jealousy/downtalking culture is huge about watches

My only kid has a Rolex and a Breitling already but her son will likely inherit his grandpa's Rolex. I never did get the Omega fake, instead, I got an Orient Kamasu with red dial. Wow, what a terrific looking watch. Check 'em out.

I’m a watch collector, and I have both genuine and high end fakes in my collection. I have a fake Rolex submariner Pepsi GMT which I bought in the Philippines in 2006 for about £75 which is still working perfectly and keeping accurate time. It still looks the part, weigh’s heavy and is a very good copy. Forgetting the name on the dial, it has turned out to be a very good purchase for £75 fifteen years ago !

You vastly overestimate how much the average person knows about watches. Go down the street and maybe 2 or 3 people can even visualize what a submariner looks like. I spoke with a guy who owned a dayjust and told me he was a huge fan of Rolex, and told him that my favorite Rolex was a Milgauss. He have never even heard of it.

Silly. Just wear the original. No reason to "save" it for the next owner.

@@TucsonDude I think his point is that he’s just not gonna wear the real one when going out somewhere he might get mugged for it.

If the rest of the progress made by China is considered then the Swiss Watch industry needs to be very frightened.

@@christurner6430 and rightly so. Sorry, but these swiss brands are WAY overpricved. Price gouging at its best. They can go the way of the Dinosaur imho.

Actually, there are wealthy people who do just that - wear replicas of original watches they own. This was mentioned in a recent article I found in my feed. The reason was they were afraid they would get robbed in public just for their watches. There was a guy in Northern California who was mugged for his Richard Mille, so yeah, it happens, and I understand the fear.

Philosophically..Look it is real ! You mean Genuine Manufacturer real! Philosophically every thing is real....But philosophically Nothing is what it seems to be anyway! I am just not gonna go shopping anywhere near you!

It is very hard to perfect replication especially the chronometer movements, the appearance it could be yes.

Roberto Reynaldo Maybe it is just a genuine Omega reject.....that seems much more likely!

Ken Hmm....I can tell you have a copy then! Lol

Except that in that case still the first would be the original, and the second would be a copy.

The 007 and other "special" versions are not intended for everyone. Nobody needs to buy them. You have choices. I could, but I don't own any. Its not my thing regadless of price.

@@bradleybaker8894 Lol right..

no. they do 3d print some stuff now, but it still needs hours of craftsmanship to finish and assemble 300+ parts.

@@petercrenfield Yep, 3D printed metals are commonly used to make complex, light and durable parts.

@@petercrenfield A common method uses lasers to melt specific portions of a powder together. It would likely hold up very well as you could make complex internal support structures, It's used in rocket engines and medical devices. Probably isn't used to make watches though, it's extremely expensive.

Very probably. Judging by the replicas I've seen in person I guess that e.g. Rolex could sell their watches at 30-40% of what they are asking and still make good profit. (although that would most likely drop their desireability by the same amount) That said the materials/details and tolerances also evolved over time. Acrylic, brass, paint and aluminium have been replaced with materials like saphire, steel, white gold and ceramic.

And yet a Rolex has exploded in retail price.

I agree, but I don't think many people really care that much. If you want really, really accurate, you could just buy a quartz. It's the prestige of owning something high-end that's the main reason people buy these things.

my vsf rolex goes 3 seconds a day fast. A 400 dollar fake is a better watch than a 1000 dollar gen will ever be

@@deepdozerwhere do you get a high quality fake?

Brother.. as u can see in my profile pic i’m a jeweller and diamond specialist. If you paid/ will pay 500 for a Hamilton.. you might as well write “scammed” on your forehead. 🤦‍♂️

@@tudorDaDefenderI’m not sure you understood my post. I’m basically stating that I would rather pay money for a genuine non luxury watch versus a counterfeit.

Yep. Let's face facts. The average guy buying one of these watches isn't going to be deep-sea diving with it, nor have a need for an ultra-precise chronometer. He wants something with a good brand name that looks quality and impressive on his wrist. If a fake can be 98% convincing, that's more than enough to rationalize spending $400 instead of $4,000. Of course if money is no object than the real one is a no-brainer. And there is of course much to be said about knowing that you own something with that kind of history and engineering behind it. But many people, when faced with the actual choice of spending their own money, will not be able to justify that kind of money when something this good is available as an alternative. Lower quality fakes are easy to walk away from. But good ones... not so much.

jlozano2014 if you can’t see the glaring differences you deserve a fake.

Where did he purchase the fake?

@@Dr.TJ_Eckleburg for the most part I agree with you. But I think the person that can easily afford the real thing won't buy a fake unless they don't truly appreciate fine watches. And when it comes to watches this expensive, if you can't "easily" afford it, then you actually cannot afford it.

I can tell you first hand that it is - I own one. Comes from VSF factory, killer product. But a fake nonetheless, and I feel pretty fake wearing it, which has led me to just normally rock an apple watch instead. lol

$500-600 on the low end, $1000+ for the high end, but honestly, for the price compared to the real it's not comparable 👍

Im not about supporting fakes but it's not like some douche is gonna stop you in the middle of the street whip out a magnifying glass and start eyefucking every crack and crevice of your watch, so you know you do you

@@DjVader112 lmao

jdl 96 dude thats not bullshit.. ppl can still tell they are fake if you look good at it... these ones are more expensive...

You don't really need to scrutinise the watch to tell if it's fake or not lol

They say is object of desire, that's why they charge so much!

The value of a luxury watch is almost entirely sentimental. at least to me the idea that I have a feat of engineering and craftsman ship on my wrist is valuable, not time it tells. So a counterfeit has no value no matter how closely it resembles the original. This one does tempt me though, I would genuinely consider buying it if it had its own brand name on it.

@@leafboy3967 I used to believe that, yes, there's engineering, actually, its more the detailing. I remember I saw a comment in a watch video that in the 60s Switzerland cancelled a couple of their annual watch events when Grand Seiko started winning them, so clearly, Japan had caught up in the 60s but Swiss need to maintain the perceived image. By all means, get a real luxury watch if you can afford it. The problem is brand like Rolex has so much hype build into it and you cant even get one from an AD without first buying tons of watches you don't want and be on their waiting list. This is annoying to me, if you are buying a watch for the engineering but end up paying for their marketing hype.

The Legend Diver is nice, I have it’s sister with the Jaeger-LeCoultre Memovox Tribute to Polaris 1968. I also own two Hamilton which are awesome.

Yes, what the Chinese need are just designers so they could develop their own brands with their own values. Why copy if one has the skills ?

@shaun king Salty but true x 2 lol

That is true!! But on the positive side they pay millions to tennis players and F1 drivers cause they gotta eat to lol!! I have a Seamaster and love it and would never want the fake one but I do get sick of many brands (Rolex in particular) charging $10-12K for what is in reality a 2-3K watch.

Cedar Canoe millions to develop the movement and design, it’s easy to copy but to design its a whole new story

Good comment.The Japanese found a better way and now the Chinese are doing it better? I agree that Swiss pieces are ludicrously overpriced in this day and age of CNC and the capability of machining that's here and now with modern technology.History is changing as the modern world moves on?Cheers.

So the design and engineering behind an Omega in your opinion is zero'd just because someone can (somehow) replicate it to a degree of accuracy that is unacceptable by any luxury watchmaking standard? Without antimagnetic and chronometer standards, without attention to the fine detail? Mate.....

@@paulbarclay4114 I am sure it is, but here I gave about 5 people a glass of very expensive champagne, neither they nor I noticed the difference.

I see what you mean and economically speaking, might as well buy the fake one if you really like the look of it and invest the money elsewhere. Most people don't care about wine nor champagne, if you open a really nice bottle, make sure you open it with people that can appreciate it and that fine connoisseur. But there is a massive difference between a $20, $50 and $250 bottle

@@paulbarclay4114 But it really doesn't make a difference. If you're celebrating a wedding or birthday or some major event, the quality of your drink is pretty insignificant. It may be somewhat interesting and people may know the difference, but people would generally have just as good of a time or better with cheap stuff and plastic cups. If you're doing a tasting, that's different

@@paulbarclay4114 True, but that's only in the high end, where most middle class won't be. As long as it tastes like wine and gets them drunk, £3.75 bottles of wine are good enough for them.

@@paulbarclay4114 you keep using this word "massive"... I don't think it means what you think it means. And you are absolutely and demonstrably wrong. They've tested sommeliers, they often can't even tell red wine from white when you give it some food coloring, nor the $30 plonk vs the chateau lafite. It's all just BS.

I will give you the easiest way to tell the fake and real using modern omega as an example. Don't need a loop. Have your watchmaker throw it on the machine, if it beats anything other than 25,200 bph, it's fake fake fake. $1000 super clones may use off the shelf swiss movements. None of them have the resources, or care to build an in house movement.

Agree.

You go buy a Seiko high grade quartz watch and you will pay like 2000+ $. Even quartz made by the big ones are not the 50$ ones. Check Casio too.