We Put Tesla FSD Beta Up Against Its Chinese Competition 

Australia has Chinese EVs as well.

auto parking works great

@@Syvergy witch Chinese EV in Australia have FSD ? - does Tesla have FSD in Australia ?

He also didn't include the FSD 12

@@gkkirilov he probably didn't include XNGP 4.5.0 as well.

In June 2024 there is ZERO difference between a HW3 vehicle and a HW4 vehicle from an FSD standpoint because all HW4 vehicles are running in HW3 emulation mode. Tesla went from a 14nm silicon process in HW3 to a 7nm silicon process in HW4, so they dramatically reduced the power required in HW4. BUT, since all HW4 cars are running in emulation mode, power savings in HW4 computers will be compromised because right now HW4 FSD vehicles are not running HW4 optimized FSD models.

@@charliep8 - Yep. The latest word is Tesla will be activating HW4 specific nueal nets at the end of the year. HW5 is expected to go into production in about 18 months.

Under adverse weather conditions, a RU-vidr in China conducted an experiment in which they stopped their vehicle after spotting pedestrians at speeds ranging from 20 km/h to 70 km/h. In this experiment, Xpeng continued driving and struck pedestrians beyond 30 km/h, while Nio reportedly did not hit pedestrians even at 70 km/h. In contrast, Li Auto's well-selling hybrid car model, the L7, collided with pedestrians even at a speed of 20 km/h.

Lidar is bad in poor weather.

@@pt9845 In adverse weather conditions, the camera and the lidar each have their own strengths and weaknesses. The cameras communicate visual information well, but their performance may be degraded in rain or fog. The lidar uses lasers for distance measurements, which have less field-of-view limitations, but its accuracy may be reduced in weather conditions such as rain or snow. Therefore, most self-driving cars are designed to operate reliably in a variety of situations by combining the camera and the lidar.

@@MoneyMagnet119 Cameras do all of that - rain, snow and fog. LiDar complicates and muddies the data. Humans can go their whole life without getting in an accident, with 6 less eyes and 1000% slower reaction rate. The world will soon understand when Tesla hits Level 5 soon.

@@MoneyMagnet119 there's short and long range radars too. Redundancy is a good thing 👍

As he stated, mapless XNGP is not available everywhere.

@@waynelewis9110 and you have to wonder why as theoretically it should work everywhere if pre-maps aren't required. How are they going to sell this all over the world if some kind of prepping is required?

It works everywhere, but it's only enabled in cities and roads that they've verified before. That's only the responsible thing to do.

@@networm78 - Actually seems iresponsible to me. While roads don't change quickly, they do change - from design changes, road closures, accidents and more. What do you do when the company stops supporting old cars and/or if they go out of business? Those pre-mapped systems go out of date and become a nightmare. The only real solution is systems that are smart enough to not need pre-mapping. Tesla figured this out years ago. Seems like Xpeng has discovered it too and is switching new cars to dump pre-mapping.

@@tesla_tap If verifying before release is irresponsible, then what do you make of Tesla's approach? Mind you, FSD is not available in many countries, including China, for the same reason. XPeng is just being more conservative as they are not releasing their product as beta. And XPeng isn't dumping HD maps. It's one of many techniques XNGP uses to provide the best ADAS experience whenever possible. If HD maps are available, it will use it to anticipate road layouts so that it can plan and make decisions (like changing to the right lane) in advance, or when road markings or signs are not visible. If there's no HD map, it will fall back to pure vision. This is opposed to reacting only when there is a line of sight. Pure vision is incapable of anticipating what it can't see.

Not at all, Huawei is an alternative, but XNGP will be perfect since June 2024 and be used since 2025 in flying cars, so it needs to understand things clearly and cannot rely on maps as Huawei seams to do, and needs to compare all situations togather, as it should have been made everywhere by EJFJ Positive Contextualisation since March 15th, 1996, to spare anysort of wasting and any human mistake, especially the worse mixture of them all that we name "war".... When the vehicle moves abroad, it needs to respect the local rules and give pleasure to all the vehicle in-occupants and to all others street users...

Not even close, lol.

Huawei is not even in the same league as Tesla. Their hardware is inferior, they rely only on mapped parts of cities and are not so widely spread. On the other hand FSD is available everywhere in N. America aside from beta 12 which is currently only available in San Francisco. But FSD beta 12 would soon be available everywhere and that would be the global standard for self driving.

Only in China. Not very interesting for us.

Ha.......

@@napobg6842 Your news is like 5 years old, watch a newest huawei adas online lol

Actually the finest FSD we have todat is FSD V12 from Tesla. Fully AI-based with extraordinary capabilities.

Huawei is one of the companies that are not allowed to deliver anything outside of China. So why compare them to anyone? I do not think RU-vid can be watched in China.

​@@wolfgangpreier9160 Of course they can. VPN.

@@kamsunleong6648 VPN is forbidden. That means RU-vid is only visible to the lawbreakers in China. 1 Million? 10 Million? A insignificant number.

​​@@wolfgangpreier9160I'm watching from China. You can legally solicitate free internet access in China apart from VPN, like in university campus, some government offices and businesses. Also Chinese people make about 140 million trips outside of China each year. So yeah, we do access RU-vid. And we all be able to access RU-vid if Google didn't openly disrespect the legal system in China in the PR stunt back in 2010. 😂

There is no doubt that HUAWEI is the best in the self driving system

@@charliespring In China maybe, in the world, FSD is the best!

@@napobg6842 If by World you mean US... FSD does not exist anywhere else

@@frangalarza Yeah true, bad choice of words. FSD is overall a superior system. The Huawei system would obviously perform better in China because it is available there and FSD is not. The good thing is that support is coming and FSD would maybe be available in China soon

@@napobg6842have you seen the Huawei system? The are is able to know if its blocking the road and will move or give way if needs to

That could be because Chinese are some of the worst drivers in the world. Yet in terms of density Sna Francisco is harder than Shanghai.

@@napobg6842 You got to be kidding me. Been to both the cities you mentioned several times, traffic density and roads's design are much better in S.F.

@@brian.z6592 I see the statistics buddy. S.F is a lot more densely populated and from what I see the S.F is very dynamic around the clock so it is not very fair to say that it is better. Granted Shanghai might be more dynamic on the road simply because the Chinese are ranked among the worst drivers in the world. But S.F is still very dynamic and more densely packed. People are everywhere as well.

"hold my beer" - New York City driver

@@napobg6842 O trust your data. But population density won't always reflected on road traffic. I travel between these two countries quite often before covid, trust me, Tesla FSD can't survive in major Chinese cities, unless they hire more more local Chinese engineers to make proper adaption change.

Very biased comment which doesn't represents the truth! FSD is superior because it not only offers similar capabilities when XNGP is actually available but it also offers throughout N. America and soon Europe.

@@napobg6842 Xpeng is a company that focuses on autonomous driving with a reliance on precise HD maps, showcasing strong performance in specific cities. While Tesla also demonstrates competence, Xpeng believes it excels in autonomous driving capabilities within specific areas. Nevertheless, in cities where HD maps are not adequately implemented, Tesla might have an advantage in autonomous driving. On a personal note, I ride a Model Y, and during inclement weather, the autonomous driving mode automatically disengages, leading to frustration. Autonomous driving is especially crucial in such conditions, and I frequently find myself expressing discontent about this situation. This holds true in my experience.

Tesla navigates by compass. You fanbois are really thick

Would love to know your comparison against the latest 12.x FSD Supervised. Basically a completely different system and approach to version 11's hard coding.

😂That is good. Genshin become famous when Nedintdo fanboy smash a ps4

XPeng have clearly loaned the brand new car ,they don’t give cars for free everybody .

If you want to compare XPeng to anything else you must deliver them outside of China. The XPeng delivered to Norway are pbviously prototypes and not finished. When will XPeng finish their cars?

"Million robo-taxis with nobody in them by end of the next year. For sure!" - Elon Musk 2019

Tesla navigates by compass. You fanbois are really thick.

@@bubuneowoo6161 huh? You don’t know what you are talking about. HD maps are not the same as something like google maps and are extremely expensive to maintain and not scalable with current technology. That’s exactly why these systems like Waymo only operate in a few major cities. That’s also why Tesla is trying to work with vision only.

indeed, CCP/Xi will take everything from Musk in the end. Billionaires like Musk are dime a dozen to CCP. Musk will get squeezed out from China when all Chinese EV makers crush Tesla, which is coming pretty soon. But Musk shouldn't mind, he seem to adore anything with "X" including Xi!

Thats shallow

They why do they only exists in some parts of aa few selecteed cities? They are just not that advanced compared to FSD which is understandable considering Tesla has been in the game for a very long time and they learned a lot. They also became the very first to make a 100% AI-based FSD.

They are not in all cities because traffic rules and layouts vary from city to city, not because it doesn't work in the city. It's the responsible thing for XPeng to release them only when they been verified.

@@napobg6842 SI can comntribute to accidents, XNGP is based on EJFJ Cumulative Cleverness, but for now, they are learning their cars and neural computer systems how to drive carefully (too carefully sometime) is situations a Tesla cannot manage at all.... How will a Tesla choose between killing a cyclist or a motorcyclist? It will choose pedestrians as they will do less damages on the car! Xpeng is now storing lot of daten, and analyzibng things globally, they have begin many years after Tesla, but they are already at the level of FSD +& for security, if Tesla can one day reach such a security... And they do a new version each 3 months, Tesla counts on IA to go quicker and quicker but without cosidering human lives as they should be considered... Lot of persons have had very important accidents with Tesla, Xpeng proceed carefully, slowlier in curves, to allow very very accurate understanding to spare energy wastings and tyres damages!

When do you think Tesla will start using LIDAR?

Tesla will never use LiDar, it's garbage.

@@petewenzel2725 when it becomes cheap enough from their perspective or once users demand more reliability/ability.

@@pt9845 Tesla uses LIDar from time to time so it is not never. It is not garbage, only expensive and usually can't exist without Vision/cameras

@zodiacfml the G9 uses Nvidia Drive. Tesla's is all in-house

They corrected it already in Norway and Netherlands... They are improving quite each day, even if their employeees do not work on Sunday, but robots do... Robots cannot correct mistakes, if they are not EJFJ Positively Contextualized globally, worldwidely!

Nope, he used older version of V11 in an old Tesla Model 3 with HW3, not even HW4

doesn't matter. Tesla "full self driving" will always be just level 2 ADAS with hallucination

Actually there is no code anymore

Not at all, this is the fake publicity of Tesla which pretends this, not the reality... XNGP is better than Tesla FSD 13 now, using EJFJ Cumulative Cleverness or quite, much better than programmative AI based on what can be found on internet...

@@EJFJ-Corporation Ok, never heard or read about EJFJ CC (seems China is more advanced than Silicon Valley then). The video of XPNG that I saw looked pretty robotic to me, like FSD V11.They don't even have a big amount of Nvidia Chips (says the market). Can you tell us how this works? By the way, FSD 13 does not exist yet and FSD 12 is not programmatically anymore.

The Tesla FSD beta version he used was the latest available at the time of the test, November 2023. It was a few months ago.

@@Isamma848 He used 2018 Tesla Model 3 on HW3 which is basically few years old aat the time of making. Today, March 2024, it is not even remotely comparable.

They would destroy every automaker except Tesla.

Very true and hence the reason why they are not ... ​@pt9845

Exacltly, but FSD cannot be autonomous at all, it is only pretendly as matchng only ADAS 2.3, rather than up to 4.2 for XNGP in 246 cities at least now...

Yes, but what you spare on hardware, you pay it on software.... And accidents are never soft, they needs to be hardly spared!!!

Yes, you need to pay attention in all driving modes, but not quite as much as when driving without FSD. There are so many videos of FSD preventing accidents and handling accident avoidance far better than any human. Helps to have 360 degree vision that is always looking out for you. Still legally these are level 2 systems, which means you are responsible even if lane-keeping or FSD or other systems are active.

This is why Xpeng exists, you can drive, but the Speng car will always show you that you drive without any danger, and will help you, whatever happens, even when flying, or jumping ;-)

Huawei Auto Pilot is a new player, but if it's Huawei technology then it can't be underestimated

Huawei uses Xpeng system in fact, they are distinct, but using what Xpeng realized since 2014, Xiaomi and BYD and all others use this Xpeng system, while americans use either the Tesla system, or as Lucid, the Xpeng system but a variant they made... I do not know if they will accept I reveal this, there cannot be many solutions to do things correctly... Tesla began very well, when they robbed the EJFJ Corporation ideas offered to BMW Group on February 4th, 1994, but they had to do sparings, and very dangerous ones!!!

You'd guess incorrectly. Elon and the co-founder of Waymo both agreed, vision-only is the best approach.

​Hahaha Tesla fanboy detected comment under every against Tesla post😂​@@pt9845

@@driver5347 He is not wrong tho

And it turned out that XNGP can't even beat the couple-year-old HW 3-based V11. We already have the latest HW4 beta 12 which is fully AI-based

@@pt9845 ...to rob insurances, invented by SFM:id2004, of course!

Nonsense. A stuffed teddy bear can substitute for a human driver in tesla driver monitoring system. LOL

None. It's free country

Only L2 is approved.

@@deepseer No, Xpeng ADAS leval 4.2 has habilities to be used in 4 cities as taxi, without driver! This works well... Better and better, as in while China it will be the case till the end of 2024, with ADAS 4.3... Tesla has ADAS 2.3, a very good one, but not more secure than 2.3 ADAS, unfortunately... They car recognises what the cameras can see, and does better than it can with so few technologies...