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WE'RE MOVING TO FRANCE! TAXES! UGH! THE NITTY GRITTY ON THE TAX TREATY BETWEEN THE USA AND FRANCE 

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We're moving to Nice France! Just bought our 3 - airline tickets (2 for Jeff and I and 1 for our dog). In this video, I'm sharing my research on the reciprocal agreement between the USA and France, otherwise known as the Tax Treaty. I'll also share info on how to find the place to file your French tax return and more.... Please enjoy!
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Hi! I'm An Scott. I'm a happily retired woman just about to hit the big “7-0”, with my “golden years” on the horizon, living the “good life”, with my fun husband Jeff, and our “bossy” little Yorkie, Bella.
In April, 2024, when my husband retires, we are moving from the SW Florida, in the good old USA to Nice France tp live out our “golden years” on the sunny Mediterranean coast of southern France. Moving from the USA to a foreign country is no small “project”. SUBSCRIBE, FOR FREE, to my channel and as we progress through the steps of doing that, you’ll be able to follow along through each stages of our preparation and then catch up with us, as we settle in to our new life. We might even have some information you’re going to need if you’re also planning a move to France (or the EU)
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@user-mo5ng5ks9r
@user-mo5ng5ks9r Год назад
Thank you for all of this information. Your head must be spinning from that intensive research. And a huge thank you for being so inclusive when describing a family unit. Your kindness in that regard is commendable.
@postcardsfromourgoldenyears
Glad it was helpful! And yes, love is love. We include everyone 😉
@lzoescott7692
@lzoescott7692 Месяц назад
Thank you💐
@AkamaiOkole
@AkamaiOkole 11 месяцев назад
Hi ! This is a pretty good video. One thing you keep mentioning is that due to the tax treaty, you don't have to pay twice, but what you should also emphasize is that you only pay the US taxes (which are much lower than French taxes) You didn't mention social charges which do come into play after a certain amount of non-retirement account capital gains (i.e. if you sold stock at a capital gain). Here is what I understand to be the tax obligation of an expat after much research: j Here is my understanding assuming I will be a retired US citizen with no working income (not allow on my visa anyway) and a French tax-resident. TL:DR. The tax treaty between the US and France is almost unbelievable incredible for US retirees (not so much is you are working) There are 2 taxes here: 1) French Income Tax and 2) contributions to French PUMA (called the Cotisation Subsidiaire Maladie or CSM -- social charges for healthcare) First, the tax treaty between the US and France is VERY beneficial to US retirees living in France, specifically articles 18 and 24. Article 18 of the tax treaty applies to retirement investment source. All pension, 401K withdrawals as well as US social security payments must be DECLARED on both US and French tax forms BUT you pay only the US tax and all of the french tax is credited back to you. None of this is subject to the CSM (healthcare contribution). So your money is from “retirement type sources” (social security, pension payments, 401K withdrawal) are only subject to US tax rates (which are much lower than that of France). Article 24 of the tax treaty applies to non-retirement investment income like dividends and capital gains in a regular brokerage account. My understanding, and this is amazing for US citizens, is that all investment income (for me it would be capital gains on long-held stock) mush similarly be declared on both US and French tax return, but once again the very high French capital gains tax is 100% credited back so you only pay the smaller tax to Uncle Sam. HOWEVER, this type of income is subject to the CSM, but there is an exemption. For me as a single person, the exemption is around 21,996 euro or ~$24000 (in 2023). So any capital gains over that amount would be subject to the CSM charge of 6.5%. My conclusion, as crazy as I seems, is that as long as I live off of retirement funds and avoid selling enough stock to realize more that $24K in long-term capital gains, all of my tax liability will only be to Uncle Sam and I am pretty much exempt for paying the CSM. So, expat experts, please feel free to correct any of the above if it is incorrect. However, please don’t comment on what you "think" or what somebody "might have told you", please correct something you know is incorrect through experience or direct knowledge. P.S. After Brexit, don't tell your Brit friends about this, their treaty is not as good as ours and they tend to get really pissed. AND all residents of France, regardless of nationality, are eligible for the French health care (carte vitale) after just 3 months of residence.
@postcardsfromourgoldenyears
@postcardsfromourgoldenyears 11 месяцев назад
Earl, thanks for your comment. First, I'm not an expert and not trying to present myself as someone who knows it "all" and 2nd, if I haven't done the research on a particular topic, I'm not prepared to talk about it my video. Selfish as it may sound, because my time is very limited and I don't want to be making hour long videos, that people won't want to view for that long, I'm only presenting videos on information I gather because it is relevant to US personally. I figure if we need to know it, so do other people moving to France and I'll share what I learned. I have not researched capital gains because it's not something we're interested in, at the moment, and it probably won't ever be relevant to us. We're not fortunate to have that kind of "nest egg" We're hoping to sell what little stock we have before moving to France, in April, so all of our money is "liquid" and we won't be filing a French tax return next year so by the time we file our first French tax return, all we'll have is really our social security income and perhaps some interest on our savings account where all of our money will live. But I appreciate all of the details you have posted. I'm sure those who need to know this will be happy you posted it. So thanks for watching and feel free anytime to supplement what I've shared with more that I didn't say, that might be helpful to others like yourself. 🤩
@etakasaki
@etakasaki 11 месяцев назад
Hey no criticism intended. Just tried to fill in some detail to what was an excellent video. Cheers.
@postcardsfromourgoldenyears
@postcardsfromourgoldenyears 11 месяцев назад
@@etakasaki None taken. I sincerely appreciate the additional info you provided. It's great when we all help each other get all the details. Feel free anytime! ☺
@ninabuckley1666
@ninabuckley1666 7 месяцев назад
Wow!!! Just saved me a ton of research, thank you!!! I had taken France off my list, it's back on again!!!
@marzbarz1849
@marzbarz1849 5 месяцев назад
AkamaiOkole - What about France inheritance taxes to your heirs when you pass away? How can that be avoided?
@Francebound2024
@Francebound2024 11 месяцев назад
As a tax professional that works with American abroad on the US tax issues, you did a great job. The US-France Treaty is making my move possible.
@postcardsfromourgoldenyears
@postcardsfromourgoldenyears 11 месяцев назад
Thank you. It was a tough video for me to research and try to present as I did.
@Francebound2024
@Francebound2024 11 месяцев назад
@@postcardsfromourgoldenyears it was very good. I can’t how many times I cringe when even some tax preparers try to talk about this issue and are way off base. My plan when I am in Europe is to provide some consulting, but if I see case that should not be self-prepared, I’ll have tax professionals that are experienced to refer them to. Not every taxpayer has the exact same issues.
@JaniceInFrance
@JaniceInFrance Год назад
I always learn something every time I watch.
@postcardsfromourgoldenyears
Great!
@Francebound2024
@Francebound2024 11 месяцев назад
As a tax professional (as you know since we are FB friends), she did an excellent job. This is an intensive subject even for tax professionals. Not all tax preparers should delve into this area without learning and studying more. Errors can create more financial headaches to taxpayers.
@jeffscott548
@jeffscott548 Год назад
Lots of research must have gone into this video. Lots of things to consider as an expatriate living in France
@postcardsfromourgoldenyears
ABSOLUTELY!!
@jmarie28
@jmarie28 6 месяцев назад
My main concern are RMD's required by the US, but based on what you've said, those funds, along with my Social Security benefits, will be transferred to a bank account in France in Euros not dollars, resulting in less $$. Glad to hear H&R Block has an expat service since they now do my US taxes. Mercy, so much to consider but you're a wealth of information! My impending move to France won't be for 2 years so I have a sufficient amount of time to consider my options and will continue to benefit from your research and knowledge. I'd love to retire in a month, when my lease expires in No.Cal, but this being an election year and most likely a tumultuous one, staying put until next April makes more sense. US citizens, please vote and stand up for democracy 🗽
@shajiphi1326
@shajiphi1326 4 месяца назад
Example you make $100 in US. Tax rate in US is 10% . Tax rate in France is 15% US will take 10% but France will take 5% . This is my under standing oh no double taxation. I don't believe one gets away scott free in france
@postcardsfromourgoldenyears
@postcardsfromourgoldenyears 4 месяца назад
I don't think it works that way. I believe that France gives you full credit for whatever tax would have been due, based on your paying taxes to the US. However, I am not a tax expert. You really need to contact an accountant who is an expert on tax treaties between the US and France for a definitive answer. Also, here is a link to the France Embassy website with information on the US/France tax treaty. franceintheus.org/spip.php?article705
@janroach1852
@janroach1852 13 дней назад
I believe France can levy inheritance tax. And while the U.S. will honor trusts in some cases the French government will not.
@postcardsfromourgoldenyears
@postcardsfromourgoldenyears 13 дней назад
I recently attended a presentation, through Adrian Leeds, with a French attorney, here in Nice, who specializes in wills and does many for US Expats. She mentioned that Expats can get an attorney or notaire to prepare a French will that states that we prefer our estate to be treated according to our wishes in our US will. I believe we also have to add an addendum to our US will that states that while we are residents of France, we want our estate to be handled according to our wishes in our US will. I don't remember the exact wording but any International attorney familiar with French wills and trusts should be able to clarify what, if any, changes need to be made so that one's estate and trusts say exactly what we want them to say. To be sure, I have no clue. ONLY a professional in this field can provide the exact and current information.
@worldwanderingwoman
@worldwanderingwoman 10 месяцев назад
For what I heard, you don't pay taxes there (France) because of the treaty US had with France. I am in the same situation where I am retiring at 62 but had a question also about the tax. Because of what I will be collecting, I won't be taxed. You and your husband will have 2 retired incomes so you may need to pay tax on an amount after 25K you will receive a year. Talk to an accountant about this. I have my IRA and since I have been taking out money, i have to pay taxes every time I withdraw. We all do, unless you have a Roth IRA where taxes where paid in advance. It is what my financial advisor told me when I transferred my money from my 401k to my IRA. All of this is not for a worry. Go and enjoy France and hire Adrian! She knows what is going on now and will help you. She has coffee events with people I have been watching, she mentioned the treaty between US and France for taxes. Once again, thank you so much for the information you provide. I must meet you when I get to France!
@postcardsfromourgoldenyears
@postcardsfromourgoldenyears 10 месяцев назад
Hi Ruth, we won't have any income other than our Social Security once we are living in France. I think we're going to try to sell what little stock we have and close out our IRA's this year, before we move so that if we are hit with any taxes on the withdrawal we can cover it before my husband stops working and collecting a salary. We will both be 70 when we move. There is a bill in Congress, if it ever passes, to stop the taxation of Social Security, if that's our only income, since we all paid taxes on the money when we first earned it. I don't know if it will pass, but fingers crossed Yes, the combination of both of our Social Security checks does bring us over $25k. Even individually we may have an issue. But, we'll have to see what we can do to lessen any tax burden. We don't have an accountant now. I will have to find us one familiar with International Tax law (France) to see what are best way of proceeding is. Would love to meet you sometime when we're all in France! Thanks for your note.
@worldwanderingwoman
@worldwanderingwoman 10 месяцев назад
@@postcardsfromourgoldenyears Thank you for your response. I hope the bill passes so we have no worries about retirement money taxation. I watched this gentleman Adrian recommended. He mentioned something too about selling your home before buying in France. I will assume he knows the law too for taxes for income in both countries. I will leave the link here . I wish you the best with your move and your future life in France and hope to meet you one day. Kind regards. Ruth ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-dZGsRGU7awc.html.
@postcardsfromourgoldenyears
@postcardsfromourgoldenyears 10 месяцев назад
@jc111688 Thank you. Unfortunately, we don't own our home. So we have nothing to sell except our unneeded "stuff", before we leave.
@yannip2083
@yannip2083 Год назад
Great research! If your only income is a bit of interest (e.g. $1,000) earned on your bank accounts in the U.S., do you need to file French Tax Returns? What is the threshold?
@postcardsfromourgoldenyears
France requires that you complete a declaration (French Tax Return) EVERY year if you're a France Tax Resident. Even if you have $0 income. Everyone has to file a tax return. It appears you simply report the # of parts in your household, the income or no income. If you are living on your US Social Security, you will have to report it on the France Tax Return, even though you won't be taxed on it. It has to be reported every year. Part of the declaration includes reporting which bank accounts you have opened, used and closed, in the US. They won't tax you on it but they want to know. It is what it is! The $1000 interest may be taxable in the US and France but you'll only pay the tax 1x. If you report it on your US tax return, and pay any taxes due, the good news is you probably won't have to pay France's tax (the rate is higher). They will give you credit for what you pay to the US in taxes. (And, I think they give you a credit equal to what your tax would be if you paid the taxes on the interest to France)
@baronvontollbooth484
@baronvontollbooth484 28 дней назад
Maybe a little late to ask this question but I've been having difficulty finding an answer. We are considering moving to France. We own a house in the US. Not sure if it would be better to sell the house before moving to France or hanging onto it and renting it out. If we rent it, we would have a home to return to if the French adventure didn't work out. My question is what are the tax implications in France (if any) of the capital gains from selling the house (not taxable in the US but maybe it would be in France?) vs. receiving the rental income while being tax residents in France? Thanks for all the research you have done! I know it can be a real headache.
@postcardsfromourgoldenyears
@postcardsfromourgoldenyears 28 дней назад
Sorry, we can't assist you with this question. We are not tax experts. We didn't have a house to sell, so we can't even speak from experience. You're going to have to find an accountant who specializes in international tax laws to assist you. If you don't know where to find one, you may want to consult with Adrian Leeds. She IS an expert in real estate and has given numerous people we're aware of, great advice on when and if to sell their home in the US and/buy in France. She and her group have a team of consultants they work with. If you consult with her, I'll bet she can give you some great advice or tell you who to contact. Her website is AdrianLeeds.com
@baronvontollbooth484
@baronvontollbooth484 28 дней назад
@@postcardsfromourgoldenyears Thanks for your reply. Yes, maybe I'll check with Ms. Leeds. I have watched several of her videos. Very informative.
@postcardsfromourgoldenyears
@postcardsfromourgoldenyears 28 дней назад
​@@baronvontollbooth484She gave us great advice when we consulted with her before our move 😊
@theushistorian
@theushistorian 10 месяцев назад
Thank you for this very informative video. I have a question: I understand that US retirees living in France are prohibited from working. But what about minor independent freelance work, such as possible profits derived from having a RU-vid channel?
@postcardsfromourgoldenyears
@postcardsfromourgoldenyears 10 месяцев назад
Actually, it depends on the long stay Visa you acquire and the type of RU-vid channel you have. There is an "entrepreneurial" visa you can apply for that allows you to "work". at your own business. With regard to "profit" from a RU-vid channel, I assume you're talking about people who operate their channel as a business, with a registered business name, and directly "sell" things they make or buy for others, from their channel, and that's how they conduct business. And whatever they make for selling their products, is profit, after their expenses. That's their "job". They are doing it to earn a living. My understanding is that if they want to continue to sell things on their channel, they could simply apply for an "Entrepreneurial" type visa and provide their business plan showing profit/loss, income forecasts, etc. and get a Visa that allows them to continue to do this from France. According to someone I consulted with, (who used to be employed at the France Embassy reviewing applications for long stay visas), other people, who simply have a RU-vid channel, where they publish vlogs about their travel, their life, videos on topics they think may be of interest to others, restaurant reviews, may even review some products they used, etc, it is considered more as a "hobby". Monetized RU-vid content creators earn a share of the ad revenues, a sort of "royalty", for allowing RU-vid to place ads on their RU-vid videos. RU-vid content creators are not considered "employees" by RU-vid. They do not earn payment for making videos. The magic word is direct "sales". I don't consider this "work". It's something I do to keep my mind active, a hobby of sorts. In fact, I recently learned that the dollars earned from the ads on RU-vid channels, small as it may be for a lot of us, can be added to our Long Stay Visa application, as "additional passive income", particularly if you don't have enough other income to reach the minimum income requirement for the Visa. If most people, who are monetized and earn the royalties from the ads, just stopped posting videos, they would still continue to receive the ad money as long as the video is still available to be viewed. It is not income you "work" for. It's like earning interest from a bank account. So, if you've got a RU-vid channel, and you're not directly selling your service or products, and your just making interesting videos....show the money on your Visa application and go for it! (or Apply for the Entrepreneurs Visa and provide the business plan)
@theushistorian
@theushistorian 9 месяцев назад
Thank you for your very detailed and informative response! @@postcardsfromourgoldenyears
@postcardsfromourgoldenyears
@postcardsfromourgoldenyears 8 месяцев назад
You're welcome!
@fp2374
@fp2374 2 месяца назад
France gives you credit not the USA is a joke, tax laws are different and treated differently. You need to look into the Fatca/Fincen laws with a tax expert on both countries if planning to move here. Lots of Americans have renounce their citizenship due to this abuse! I was audit 3 times by the IRS and I am just an office worker! Beat them all the time as was an H&R Block graduate tax preparer otherwise would have been hell. Got help from the Tax Advocate Service office, the IRS is gestapo kgb all in one. I end up renouncing my citizenship and now I am FREE !! Vive la France !!
@postcardsfromourgoldenyears
@postcardsfromourgoldenyears 2 месяца назад
Sorry this happened to you. Our only income is going to be our Social Security benefits, so in our case, I doubt the IRS will have any issues with us. And, although things in the USA are a bit upside down at the moment, I'm still proud to be an American. And we're dependent on our Social Security benefits to support ourselves, so we'd never consider renouncing our citizenship. Hopefully the "convict" won't get into office and destroy that too.
@fp2374
@fp2374 2 месяца назад
@@postcardsfromourgoldenyears renouncing does not mean not getting your rightful soc sec benefits nothing to do with nationality but earned. And yes with only ss benefits you probably will be ok. Best of luck and thanks
@sunmand6136
@sunmand6136 8 месяцев назад
@Postcards From My Golden Years - do you have to pay taxes on U.S capital gains ? As you know, the first 40k for singles and the first 80k for couples is not taxed in the U.S . Will France tax that ?
@postcardsfromourgoldenyears
@postcardsfromourgoldenyears 8 месяцев назад
I'm not an expert on taxes so best to check with an accountant who knows International tax laws relative to France. My understanding is that you only pay taxes to the US (if you're a US citizen) but you have to report the income on both returns. I don't know if France will tax something you don't owe taxes on in the US. Personally I doubt it. Based on the reciprocal agreement between the US and France, France allows you to pay all due taxes through the US on your US Tax return and France gives you "credit" for paying the taxes that are due. But please, you'll need to look for an accountant (best to look in France) who can answer that question to be sure. I'm just guessing. Sorry I can't assist you with this question.
@sunmand6136
@sunmand6136 8 месяцев назад
@@postcardsfromourgoldenyears Thanks.
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