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I'm dying at Haden thinking "ombre" hair was "hombre" 😂😂

i was willing to suspend some disbelief until the infantry was mentioned. you’re telling me people fail out of dragon school by DYING instead of just moved to basic bitch foot soldier? do you need fighters or not?!

I feel so validated hearing Chandler talk about the narrator of the audio book! The audible phlegm gulps and sniffling were actual torture

In fact, I would like you and Haden to read the second book ngl 🤣

The way that Haden explained the ending way better than the author 😂 Also would love to see a video for Iron Flame simply because I don’t wanna read it lol

you two roasting this book truly cements my trust in you. I am firmly in camp “let the people love what they love” but… I hated this book so much that I almost punted it at someone so that the hype would hurt them as much as it hurt me.

I think the biggest sign of the weak worldbuilding in this book is Violet's armor. It's made of dragon scales that have been shrunk down. It seems to work amazingly; it's easy for her to move around in and it's almost impenetrable. This should've *revolutionized* the dragon riders' combat equipment. That rider who can shrink stuff should be set to work churning the miniature dragon scales out so all the riders could have a set. But no. It's just a thing to make Violet more special-er than she already is.

Everything ya’ll pointed out I also had an issue with. I gave the book 2 stars. This was the most wtf moment for me: war college - we need more riders/fighters on the front line. Also the war college - its okay if you guys murder each other or the dragons kill you.

I debated reading this book, but always had this gnawing feeling that I just wouldn't like it, the premise sounded not up my alley, and this episode of DBBC just solidifies that for me my god 🤣

dbbc is my roman empire. y’all make my day

My one huge gripe is that the dragon riding college part is constantly killing people and then you find out that they HAD to conscript the traitors kids because they literally do not have enough people to fill out their armies.

i genuinely really liked the first book BUT i have absolutely NO idea how it got such a high rating on goodreads

H-"He murdered 6 dragons"! C- Yeah it's kinda sexy😂

Side note - this set up is so aesthetically pleasing to watch, I am in love

There's so many nitpicks that I have for this book. 1. I don't understand why the mom wanted her to be a dragon rider but didn't prep her better ??? 2. I don't know why we had to be so obvious and constant about her attraction to xaden it's kind of cringe to constantly hear how hot someone is to another person. 3. Hate the male best friend trend that I've been seeing, and I'm mad because he was right. Violet would have and should have died so many times but plot be armoring her so badly. I feel that he didn't add anything as a love interest in the story. I wish he was genuinely a good friend to her that had different beliefs (in believing in the academy and the government) that is a more compelling and relatable conflict. Sometimes your best friend opinions or beliefs don't align with your own. Noooooo we got another shitty love triangle that did NOTHING. 4. This book is awful about setting up situations and paying them off later. There's no breadcrumbs that feels like a trail through the plot shit just happens constantly and I hate it. There's no build up no tension nothing. It's annoying because the author acts as if she put energy into her story development. I never once got sad for these characters or circumstances. For example the romance is non-existent and you can't convince me otherwise Xaden just loves her out of nowhere..

What I’ve found is so many people that have not read romantasy are eating this up because it’s their first exposure and the book is “easy to understand” (no real world building, light politics, many stereotypical fantasy tropes, etc). Feels very intro to romantasy 101 and not impressive if you do read that genre regularly.

Cracking up at the thumbnail 😂 cannot wait to watch this!

Honestly I would be down for anything that would give more insight on fantasy/fantasy romance that's actually fun. Haden reading a historical romance would be fun too 😂

I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS ONE !!!

I love the smell of fourth wing slander 🫶🏽😃

I love dbbc recapping FW for me before I read IF 😂

27:36 IDK to me, this feels like peoples first foray into “Fantasy” outside of Sarah J Mass. I know a lot of people who were solely Romance readers, who read this and then went on to read other Romantasy/Fantasy books after it. I do wonder if as people read more Fantasy, if they will like this as much, and considering everyone I know who loved the first one didn’t love the second one, that may already be happening.

Now I need a dbbc reading vlog about Iron Flame 😂 pretty please 👉👈

This is genuinely such a treat! We love Hayden content! He's such a good sport with reading these and comes with such different insight that's fun to listen to. I haven't been able to get past the 25% of the book. I typically don't have too much of an issue with YA, but it felt like it was written so poorly that I couldn't even start to connect. So bummed since everyone had touted I'd love it as much as ACOTAR!

I need to know who made this masterpiece of a thumbnail

Thanks to you for this video. I now cannot even muster the energy to pick it up, which is unfortunate because it’s on my December TBR. I’ll just wrap it and gift it.

Yes Hayden. We need you to read the second book too

WAIT. I'm only like 2 minutes into this video but the narrator of the audiobook drove me nuts (I didn't know they had a cold). Did you notice how loud they turned the pages?! Every time I mention this ppl are shocked I noticed it BUT IT WAS SO LOUD

HAYDEN'S MUAH AT THE END🥰

god this joint review was delightful

I am SO HAPPY we are trashing this book together!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣 I *HATED* this book! And mind you, Im normally a slut for Romantasy, so I kept trying for like a whole month to finish it, but I finally gave up and returned it to audible!! That’s how bad it was!! Also, the chronic illness rep in this book was god awful. The fact that the “solution” to her disease was to just workout harder was infuriating! And I’ve heard the author allegedly has the same disease depicted in the book, but anyone can fall prey to the toxic ideas of the wellness community.

I’ve just finished reading Fourth Wing, (which I didn’t mind but don’t think is worthy of the hype, it was distinctly average for me), and came straight to watch this video, which is definitely providing more entertainment in 30 mins than the over 500 page book! 😂

I honestly loved Fourth Wing and found Hadens take on everything HILARIOUS 🤣🤣🤣

This was the most average fantasy book Ive ever read and the hype that it got made me question my sanity and my intelligence to the point where I went like, "did we all read the same book?"

see i need you to read iron flame bc there's no way in hell i'm reading it lol please take one for the team

Hayden ranting🤣🤣🤣 Love to see DBBC! Is there gonna be a Christmas DBBC for Chanmas?

This video made my year lol

😯, these are my favorite!

i need yall to read acowar and acosf soon. i just know I'll be howling 🤣

I heard “dragon school” and bought the hard cover 🤡 I only got through 17 pages

Fireborne > Fourth Wing 😂 Does everything 4th Wing tried to do

Ot but where is your sweater from? So cute!!

While it would be funny to see Haden read IF but I honestly would not wish that book on my worst enemy.

I have to painfully admit, I enjoyed it, but like the way you enjoy a trashy romcom that you watch during the holidays 😂. I should mention I came in with the lowest of low expectations because of reviews. So I expected to trash this book so hard. But yeah, a lot of what you mentioned were the same issues I had with it.

hii, I'm planning to buy the fourth wing but i'm not sure if im gonna get the gold version or the holiday red one, can someone tell me which is better????

The thumbnail is 🔥🔥🔥

Chandler and haden controversy is priceless❤❤❤❤❤

Chandler: “This books was mediocre.” Me: instantly buying the book cause it’s gonna be amazing! 🤣🤣🤣🤣

I would love to see Haden's review to the Windy City Series(ik Chandler you liked it) by Liz Tomforde

I want to know what Hayden's all-time favourite book is!!

I still haven’t picked it up 😬

It’s so funny to hear this when a lot of this is answered or addressed in book 2 lol are y’all gonna continue? I haven’t finished the video yet

I dnf’ed this book. I feel validated

I want u to read iron flame purely so I don’t have to but I can still hear how bad it is

Try reading this dnfed it. It was so boring and i feel it is trying to be divergent and hunger games but with sex and dragons and not as great.

i liked fourth wing but i cant remeber why. im going to read the next one so that i can hopefully purge this series from my system

THANK. YOU. This book (audiobook specifically) was the longest most laborious read.

One thing I disagree with you about is the portrayal of Violet's physical capabilities. Its not explicitly said, but Violet has EDS (which the author also has) which is a genetic condition where your connective tissue doesn't function well, your body is generally in pain, and your joints dislocate easily. I thought the portrayal of a character with a disability was really well done! I have a different chronic condition and I felt like I could relate to Violet in how you have to try harder than everyone else just to get by and how frustrating it can be to know that you are weaker than everyone. It made me less mad at Violet that she felt like she had to poison ppl before their fights. I also think the weight training she did paid off a lot because it helped prevent more EDS injuries like dislocations.

I started fourth wing but I dnf'ed it 25% in because it was SOOOO CRINGE

Iron flame

Honestly read the webtoon subzero instead, has a dragon theme and is so much better

The best example of a poor executed mediocre 2 star read. I will never understand the mass market. The amount of tastless people out there scares me😅 Great review guys!

And this just confirms my decision not to read this lol Love the couple review! I would prefer something other than Iron Flame. We know it’s awful so maybe try something else lol

Loved your take on the book. I found Violet so immature. Her constant need to know everything. You are at a war College. That is not how the military works. Annoying. Please read Iron Flame together. It will definitely be good tv. Always enjoy your videos 😊

I'm so excited for this video! I couldn't get past page thirty in Fourth Wing. 😶‍🌫️

I finished the physical book only recently 😂 the audiobook sounds horrible 😢😢😢 I looked it up and saw that they will release a full dramatized adaptation.

The confusion is amplified HARD in book 2. This series is not plotted well at all however… still eat it up 😂 at this point, it may just be to see how tf Rebecca makes this 5 books Also she just suddenly becomes a “badass” in book 2 which makes no sense whatsoever. 😂

After reading the second book and then watching this omg I’m dying you guys would hate it even more that’s so fucking funny 💀

Would love to know where your sweater is from!

This video has provided me with solid reasons to not read this series. My wallet thanks you!

I HATEDDDD the audiobook narrator's voice, it was like nails on a chalkboard to me 😭

Don’t read the second book. I didn’t hate Fourth Wing but Iron Flame was an obvious rush job and the narrator doesn’t get any better and the constant fast paced action shit gets real old, real fast.

I don’t trust anyone who loves acotar lol I couldn’t get past mid third book. Both series suck but I’m guilty of liking fourth wing so don’t trust me 😂

You gotta read the second one! I feel like we either read different books or you guys missed some things 😅 Like they def talk about and explain the wyverns throughout. To the point where it was pretty obvious where it was going. I read it with my book club and everyone said they saw it coming. I hope you enjoy the second book more!! And I feel like Haden would enjoy the 2nd book more too! But I do agree about not getting to spend enough time with Liam! Everyone was like heartbroken and I was just there like.... "okay???"

I'm sorry, but has anyone here read the 'An Ember in the Ashes' series? Is it just me, or do some major elements seem very similar? For example, the child of an evil commander and the rebel, the reference back to the mythology book from the start, the setup in a military school, and the brother working for the rebels. I really hope I'm only imagining things lol. That being said, if Fourth Wing left you disappointed, you can try reading An Ember in the Ashes - it is an excellent YA fantasy series.

Not gonna lie, I read this book twice and liked it well enough, but you two have such good points! Hayden explaining the government conflict towards the end was news to me, so kudos for actually understanding the ending 😂

Books that are being published under fantasy romance do have a certain niche of writing. Its very lazy in the fantasy aspect

I didnt love love this book but i didnt hate it. There were a lot of boring parts but some fun as well. I liked the dragons talking to the riders. I liked the cute baby golden dragon n i liked the romance so i gave it 3. Other than game of thrones i dont read intricate fantasy with monumental world building so i didnt find that to be a draw back. It just wasnt addicting imo. I wasnt so eager to learn what happens like i was with the first 4/5 books of zodiac academy. I ate that shit up it was great popcorn reality tv like entertainment. This wasnt that nor did it offer more. Pretty mediocre

To me fourth wing seemed too similar to legendborn somehow

Hated it, gabe it one star :) im predicting the author loses half her readers after the second volume. Another question: wasnt there a twilight dbbc? I was looking for it, but i cant find it.. was i just imagining it?

What does DBBC mean?

Didn’t watch yet but please hit iron flame next

100% agree this is book with sex scene for people young enough not to have read one which makes Violet reacting to everything as if she’s 14 even though she’s not supposed to be make sense. That said, as someone who read Tamora Pierce’s lioness series at 12/13, I’d argue that a first sex scene book doesn’t have to be a bad book. I think this book is trash and I won’t read the rest of the series but the constant over the top emotional state as portrayed on the audiobook honestly had me laughing for at least the last half of the book just not when I was supposed to be so I can’t say I didn’t derive some enjoyment from reading it. Definitely make Hayden suffer through Iron Flame for us though 😂

i really liked these books but hated acotar and couldn’t even finish it sooo to each their own lmfao

Deep breath. The death college isn't needed for the story. Violet being fragile can work. But not both. I went to basic training in 2000. The amount of basic physical training would break her. EDS from what I've read and what I've seen people say in different comments isn't something you can just power through. The physical training and combat training will result in several torn ligaments and the inability to continue training. The premise of the book lost me to be honest. Fragile daughter of a general goes to a death college to become a dragon rider against her will. The world building is just bad. You've got a war against a classification of enemies out of legends. Your riders go out to that fight unprepared and trained for melee combat with a being that can suck your energy when you are within their range. Of course the dragons don't want to bond, you get a magical being to suffer the lost of a being that shares their soul. Really? They don't want to bond, who would have thought? Why aren't they training with bows and arrows since they are on dragons and mounted archers could rain hell on the venin. This is before you read page one. The concept fails. I love dragons with personality and the psychic link. I call it Dragon horny = rider horny. This is a trope, but better authors have messed it up. Its very much under the influence. This is the only thing I will give her credit for, Xaden takes the kiss but stops. He shows that consent matters. Screw Dain. I liked his actions for a bit. He was trying to protect an old friend and that is okay. He tries to work around the rules to get her out of the rider quadrant. But the moment she bonds two dragons, all of that should have stopped.

I feel validated 🎉 I did not like this book.

The book was mid to me Not seeing the hype to it at all Very 1 2 step of a book Not bad, but also not mind blowing good

I know you probably won’t read it, but a lot of the “plot holes” you guys mentioned get explained in the next book. I enjoyed both books even though I’m not drawn to fantasy. We tend to have opposite preferences when it comes to books, so I fully expected how this was going to go.

Look like what you like, but do I get what people like about this book? Nope. I didn't like it and it was just dumb and the writing style was soooooo bad