Either that, a full rework away from support or it needs other support specs to fight. i still think the classes with 3 dps specs can all get one support option
The only solution in my mind, is to completely revamp aug into some tank evoker spec. It seems to me that its almost impossible to balance the game enough around aug to make it not as ultra polarising as it is.
the big problem is that blizzard doesnt want to put more Support classes and ofc they're not listening to us, they should make dps meta rotate more commonly .
Mein Problem with the design is that for being at least decent on medium level players it will always be broken in the hand of minmaxing world first players with spreadsheets
When I saw the tank nerfs, the first thought I had was that it boosts the relative power of Aug. Unless they nerf Aug into the ground, they will likely stay desired as long as keys require survival over racing the timer.
give it to the wow community to create a whole dissertation on a class and how to min max everything out of fun instead of just enjoying the game and the realization that you can complete the game with every spec
Tuning keys around dealing enough damage is a great point! It should be a counterbalance point with the current state of M+. It would certainly change the current meta. Do you think tuning one way or the other in varying degrees could produce some interesting meta group comps?
The issue is that if damage is what limits you in a key instead of survivability, the correct solution is to pull more until survival becomes the problem. Then we’re right back to where we started.
@@DraxiusIIAnd survival at the high end will always have a slightly higher prio than squeezing out absolutely max damage, 'cause a DPS dying instantly adds 5 seconds (or now 15 in higher keys) to timer, and either spends a CR or requires a runback, and takes a whole DPS' worth of damage out of a pull while the DPS runs back. Surviving something is always more advantageous over "this other spec does slightly more damage", and that is why Augmentation is close to an unsolvable problem. It has to either be completely and utterly horseshit (and I do mean, like...really, really unfathomably bad), or it will ALWAYS be picked.
1:18 ye bro, augs were in world first kills of aberrus, right, but sadly they were introduced in 10.1.5, 11 july, when world firsts aberrus was cleared in may, nice vid mate
@@arsenal548 Is it so? You can't be sure when he start misleading at start of video @v1llian30 that kind of mistakes makes me convinced that all info in that vid are misleading and wrong
Every time I play even a mildly high key on Aug, I can’t but notice help how many deaths there would’ve been if I’d chosen to play Dev instead. I would love to see continued nerfs to burst damage taken and a shift to Aug buffing ally DPS in more ways instead of their defense. Blistering scales is perfect though 🙏
Based on these charts it seems the bigger issue is shadow, veng, and resto druid. If every successful comp requires Veng how is that any different than Aug?
Preservation evoker has become completely unwelcomed and uninvited when augs appeared. That's so unfair. I suppose even if blizz gigabuffed pres (which happened on the beta) won't change pres's unwelcomed state. That's super sad
Problem is WoW players are retarded. Augmentation doesn't offer much in terms of utility, they just grant the tank around 10% DR and a shield once in a blue moon through the Eons talent, that's it. The damage bonus it grants is just taking damage from itself and giving it to others. It's EVOKER that has the busted utility, not just Aug.
Its insanity how blizzard refuses to address augmentation in any way. If one specc dominates the entire M+ scene, and they refuse the nerf or address the specc. Then the least Blizzard could do is at least give some insight on their philisophy on why they allow one specc to dictate and warp the entire m+ scene around them.
as in the past i assume that herein too they just don't wanna admit mistakes and their inability to get a hold of the consequences. supporter class good and well, but tune it down to where it has to seriously compete with other dps specs and its player popularity will drop like a rock in the sea. so they consistently keep it above that threshold. the class has no ego candies after all (huge numbers that is).
Aug is fine the Meta of "How much you can survive" vs "How hard can you DPS (beat the timer)" is what the real problem, and Blizzard needs to lean into this and add 1 or 2 more support specs and call it a day.
@@Raddo94 i know people dislike it. But lets be objective here. Even with the nerfs it still brings the most CONTROL to the group out of all tanks. Then if the meta are casters which aparrently is, Chaos Brand is super relevant. They might not be the Tankiest tank, but people are also saying a kiting meta might happen again, vdh also excels at that along with Brew.
Its most likely Guardian after the Bdk nerfs and then you slot in a Hpal or Rsham, depending on tuning. And then obviously you need 1 Aug and 1 Mage, the last slot is yet unknown. Current tuning is not in shadow priests favor so we might see a Warlock, Dh or Rogue depending on tuning.
@@prainiak5710Guardian HAHAHAHAHA Please never write comments ever again. Also, "current tuning is not in spriest's favor" and he mentions fucking rogue as one of the potential third DPS candidates HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH Please just stop bro
The best solution is to limit key level up to some number (like an 18 or 16)before we get to where mechanics do one-shots, and give higher rating based on timer only after that. This will reduce the impact of defensive buffs for Augmentation and also incentivize running keys with pure DPS specs.
There's a catch-22. If keys plateau like that, then the only way to do better is to chew them faster, which invariably means more dps... and the highest return replacement is healers. If aug can replace healers (as they currently do), then they're still very much worth being in the meta. Tbh, the best solution is to pretend the 0.1% don't exist and instead balance everything for everyone else.
@@redmagebr I totally agree with you that the top 0.1% comp doesn't necessarily reflect how most of the people play in Mythic Plus; as a Firemage main, I will do completely worse when not paired with Shadow or Aug since fire mage DPS scales non-linearly with haste and aug buffs. On your first point, due to the nerfs to self-healing and reducing tank self-sustaining in TWW, and some of the dungeon damage profiles, healers cannot be omitted from the comp in any way possible. We just have too much health pool on tank and dps and there is no way to top it without having healers, since healers are getting huge buffs to their heals to be able to top the bigger health pool of the party.
Are you COMPLEATELY insane, or just dont play the game? What you are suggesting is LITTERALY changing m+ into MDI. And while MDI is fun as a competition the gameplay is EXTREAMLY degenerate, and LITTERALY impossible with pug groups...
There were no augs in Aberrus RWF, the spec didn't exist yet. Liquid was playing devastation but Aug did become dominant for raids still progging mythic once the spec was released
The major pb is that the class is taking a dps spot without being able to estimate their real impact, via dmg meter. Dps players get frustrated, and even top 1% M+ players don't know how the spec works and what it can bring to a specific fight, especially on the defensive aspect. The argument saying that it locks the meta comp is wrong. The class itself wasnt the reason why you saw exclusively vdh, druid, mage and priest in s4 : it was class tuning and the buffs they can bring (mass cc, magic dmg buff, vers, intel, stam). As an example, WW cds were scalling perfectly with the BoE, with huge multi and st dmg, a mass stun and rop but the class brings only 5% phys dmg buff, in a caster meta world it is not much. In TWW, the Hero talent options will make them more versatile and compatible with almost every comps (90s or 2min cds). Another (false imo) pb is its unicity, but Blizzard will create new support class I assume.
Because you need priest and you need aug you need mage for arcane int which aug double dips from with ebon might by first taking it and then giving it back to the group... the comp writes itself, and while you got those might as well take veng for 5% magic dmg and best kiting, and while u got that u might as well take resto druid for motw because the versa helps survivability. God comp will never disappear because it always starts with Aug.
All they got to do is remove the defensive power that augs bring...since they are a DPS spec make them buff damage and maybe have some utility and boom aug is fixed. People in high keys literally only bring them for the defensive power to make everyone even the tanks tankier and the healers healing power better. Everyone knows as some point its not about the damage its surviving incoming damage from mobs and bosses, you can only get so tanky with personal defensives without outside help, hince the aug. It will probability be like up to +27 you wont need aug but after that aug will be required just to survive the % increase from the dungeon
I like idea support should some support ain't tied to healer but aug just not it chef I like aug really do just how I imagine support something closer to classic pally or shman we throw buffs at people.( Or totem give buffs) Or supply this or that. Aug feel like press do damage feel like werid want be DPS and support don't what it is but think I'd made Aug closer classic shman or pally in utility. Think do better also want tanks stop making Aug a tank instead make dracthar warrior class or something as a tank
definitely and logically so. tho less with pres and more with deva... those are the real losers in this. quite neat to play, yet nobody will take you, bc 1 spot is aug-reserved and there's no other spot for a dps of the same class. as long as you wanna take it seriously that is.
@elkitesaga999 got to a point when i applied 45-90 minutes straight while watching movies and series, waiting for a single invite when playing non-meta. sometimes just to be kicked for a more popular spec, too. then i rolled meta and guess what, just because invites came in i got to the the former point in no time and of course even exceeded it by far. just because i got taken in again and got a fair amount of tries on the different dungs. it's laughable. better play meta these days or learn how to get along with not getting far (pugging, at least). tanks and healers probably have an easier time tho, but they too hit the meta brick wall at some point. im rolling tank main in tww with aug alt to have a decent fallback, just in case tanking's gonna be a cacophony in s1 again after all those close-term changes. already expecting getting much further as aug than as tank. i dislike having to min max routes and kinda pre-chew all important things for my party... vdh isn't really my favor of playstyle, not gonna touch monk, get along with war quite well, find druid kinda stale but fairly manageable and really kinda fell for pal already, also bc ret spec as secondary is probably going to be quite promising, too. well, well. gonna playtest druid some more the next days tho. hoping they don't completely mess up dungeon and class tuning in tww-s1. fingers crossed! ✌️
It seems that what Blizzard wants is for the dps and tank to depend on the supports, but since there is only one, it will always be the meta in each season, the solution is to remove the support spec, because practically for a target group that class is immovable
its also really stupid to add out of no where different role to the game and having only 1 of it. Design was its really stupid i dont know who thought about it in there.
They should cut all the utility and defensives of augmentation. It's an ok Playstyle for and dps to not do damage themselfs, but rather to buff the other dps to do the damage for them. But it's definitely not ok if it also buffs tank and healers, and gives so much defensive power. I would simply cut the possibility for them to buff tanks, healers and the defensives of the dps in every single way, and just straight up buffs all the damage buff they give to the dps to compensate
Personally I think it’s time for wow to evolve and then support role is a “good idea” what is bad is only having one class as “support” They really should have given pally and shaman hero talents that focused on “support” I think they both have the kit but they need to actual mechanics . If we had 3 support classes available I don’t think Aug would dominate 100% of the time.
I'm not a high level player, so it doesn't really matter what we play at my level, but the issue with Aug being too good is that even at my level people will want meta specs.
@@leaflotus6726 i dont think the issue is their dps , issue is how well it syncs with certain dps. Even when the off meta spec is doing good damage and do fine with their own as long as support spec exists and it doesnt sync with that spec meta always be the same. Currently individual strenght isn't choosing the meta in terms of dps , augmentation choosing the meta alone.
@@baris9444 they capped devastation evoker's dragonrage extensions at 4. you could easily get more than 4 in aoe and this has killed the gameplay of the spec; their reasoning was that it's too powerful with PI. awful
Say good bye to your MM+ solo if you'r not tank, heal, Mage and dh..You also can be the DH tank 😌 Maybe Warlock and Shaman will be ok i guess for the "2 place dps" (actually i pray for it 😅) but some guys who wanna push gonna reject you if they are 4, and waiting for ONLY evoker.. Apologize my English, cya
To all of you if your grp is doing medium to small pulls aug is not bis for your setup for big pulls thats when you should pick him....i rather have 3rd dps than aug for pug plays
I haven’t played in awhile so be patient with me if this is a stupid question. Everyone complains about this spec but I don’t understand why it matters if it’s doing so well? Does it gatekeep other classes and specs from getting groups? Or is it the only spec that allows you to do absurdly high keys? What’s the issue of it being dominant
In mythic + it can/will I play survival hunter, if I apply to a +12 and an augmentation applies 99/100 times they will pick an augmentation over me, The issue is this isn't always a case of people wanting the best to just have the best, they do it to complete the key properly, and better classes give better chances.
Aug is not mandatory at lower levels, but neither is VDH control or any other part of the God Comp. However community perception will mean every +4 will pick these classes preferentially. At higher levels the God Comp simply increases your chances of success. You get to choose between two equal pugs who either play meta or not? You'll pick the meta one because you want to increase your chances of success. At the cutting edge level they are absolutely mandatory.
Na, it's just people thinking they're hot stuff doing Mythic 32 keys when in reality they're doing 27-28 and think the spec will cover their unskilled asses by blaming the meta and not themselves. You'll have to understand there's basically 99.99% of the community complaining about something only the rest of under 1% of the player base are actually capable of doing. Unless you're some schizo world first group, these arguments are irrelevant and generally boils down to player skill. A 10% boost in efficiency does nothing for that 99.99% of the playerbase when it comes to success and improving their odds, let's not kid ourselves. My friends were arguing about meta when they couldn't time a 22 key in season 3...
They need to make aug have zero group defense. They need change buff to only effect DPS and give them more personal to balance losing tank and healer buffs. As long as they buff tank and healers they will be 100% required as long as there dps is relevent.
Only three ways to make augmentation not META in high keys at this point. 1. Add more support specs into the game and make support a role. Plenty of specs could be added or changed to fit his. Disc is a good example. 2. Nerf Augmentation into the ground. effectively making it useless for any content. Would likely piss off all of the player who enjoy more of a support role. 3. Change it to be another DPS. Not sure how you would make it feel different/play different than the already large/bloated number of DPS specs in the game.
I like how people think the solution is to add another tank spec, the role that Blizzard has been hilariously shit at balancing through the entirety of the game. Look at how Blizzard responded to DK and Monk being OP for entire expansions vs Guardian being allowed to be strong for one patch before getting nerfed to the point no one wants to take them.
Lol you attack Augmentation yet no one ever seems to complain at the fact that Blizzard coddles mages every damn expansion to the point where they're always a top tier contender in Mythic+ or raid.
I know it’s pitiful to think like that, but as much as I hate the tank nerfs, the only option I have right now is to find solace in seeing Blizz lose subs and get flamed for their own stupidity. Lovely Edit: And I’m looking forward to forum posts about the queues and kiting and aug meta lol
Aug is either Meta or un-played. There hardly can be anything in-between. Said it when they brought it, still seeing it manifest. Nerf Aug to the point it becomes replaceable and it will suddenly drop to not being played anymore by most, bc ppl already have lesser incentives to play it due to the lack of big yellow number and dps-meter bar candies (it's a dps spec after all); buff it on the other hand to any point above that threshold and it's exodia time again, quasi. Very likeable to play, as long as it gets you into pugs that fast - quite stale when not. :.) Have to add: just thinking about the irony of Blizz having M+ "save the game" so to say but rarely being able to do something else than bringing strong M+ metas times and times again ever since, which effectively sabotages the endgame again, reducing the fun for most players without affinity towards any current meta specs, thus fueling the continuous loss in subscription revenues eventually. intriguing.
@@icswack6015 and probably won't ever, bc of said reasons. maybe they actually end up dropping (or changing) it entirely at some point in the future. would be a funny thing to witness.
Wait everyone hated Season 2 and it almost killed if not outright killed Dragonflight......let's do it again while pissing tanks off and healers off....this expansion might seriously turn out bleeding more of the playerbase than Shadowlands.
HOLD YOUR HORSES.. IZEN... YOU're TALKING ABOUT 1-3% OF HIGH END GAME PLAYERS, TOURNAMENTS.... GOSH WHO CARES AT +2 - +15 ?! ALL SPECS ARE COOL AND GOOD even fuckin feral druid! PEACE
I wish content creators would focus more on changing the way people think about the meta and how pointless it is for almost all content. Unless you're trying to get M+ title or CE you can clear any content with any spec. Will it be harder? Sure, but it can be done. Aug kinda sucks in low keys and normal/heroic raids. You're better off playing devastation. But no one talks about this, so you get uninformed randoms making a group for a +4 and they only want the god comp classes in their group. So dumb.
Exactly! Most of the morons in here going “aUg bAD” are doing 8 and heroic raid at best. To maximize Aug especially in M+ it requires coordination. I’ll see bad augs ripping breath with no one using CDs, not using rescue, not using roar and several other parts of the tool kit. In a coordinated group with a good Aug it is S+++ but unless you’re pushing high keys it doesn’t matter.
Videos like this is what skew community perception so much. Most of the players do key levels where comp is irrelevant but will require whatever the “meta” is. Aug is just unfun to play in its current form.
All the non Augs just salty we are a meta spec with insta invites for M+ titles. Only reason I played all seasons of DF was Aug. If it's not the meta and gets nerfed again, then boom don't play and move to the next meta spec / class. Everyone crying about "oh no this meta, that meta" just don't know what they're doing and want to complain. Most of us that play in the top tier of M+ don't care about balance or "fun". All we are interested in is ladders / score / titles and will do whatever we need to do for getting there.
No blizzards not bias. No blizzard doesnt have favorites. No blizzard doesnt hate letting some classes be good. Wake up people. Blizzard is 100% bias. #priestsdeservebetter
this is my fear too. nerf tanks leads to aug being "required" not for group +damage bonuses but instead for tank +defensive bonuses pls blizzard just un-do the tank nerfs, they didn't even accomplish what you said your goals were, so just revert them, and you can iterate on this each time a new season throughout TWW launches. at the start of s2, do some MINOR nerfs to all tank specs, and then let us see how season 2 goes. then at end of season 2, if tanks still are "too strong" then give some more minor nerfs to each spec but these heavy-handed nerfs you gave all tanks like 4 days ago are just WAY TOO MUCH and does not even accomplish the stated goals that drove the nerfs in the first place...
I think bringing the tanks down is fine. I was playing prot Pali in beta and was dealing with 3 packs of mobs and taking no damage without using any valuable defensive
also, this is not a nerf just for the sake of it. it's keeping in mind to tune down enemy pressure on the group as well. guess just let them cook, right? maybe this time they get a sufficient meal done.
Honestly the solution is having more support specs, if the meta devolves to always having a support in your keys, at least make more specs so we can choose which one we want.
for high end players aug is easily one of the WORST things they've ever added in the game's history lol. unfortunately, blizz has a track record of never accepting fault so the chance they rework aug so it doesn't completely break the game is next to 0%. we are stuck with this fundamentally broken spec forever apparently
Making a statistic based video and opening with a lie (that 2 augs were part in abberus world first, when it wasnt released at that moment of time) kinda hurts
If the tanking buffing is a big problem they should make augment a tank specc. That is what I was hoping at the release of Aug, I still play it. I love the idea of being a support class haha
I feel like aug should just be made into a tank that shares damage taken with who ever they are buffing only with a huge nerf on the stat buff given. + mitigation based mastery stat on buff.
