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You might be looking longingly at the new MacBook Pro thinking about how it might fit into your workflow. But will it make that much of a difference? To find out we gave one to a musician and video editor to see how it measures up.
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CHAPTERS
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0:00 Introduction
0:41 Meet Viiola Bloom
1:18 The reason he uses Reason
2:03 The sound of slow
2:58 He and Hoffmann get to try a new MacBook!
4:26 Thanks Zoho CRM!
5:02 Great features for Hoffmann
5:52 How it performs compared to his tower
6:35 Alright, now Andrew's experience
7:48 The Reasons for this
9:04 I'm really proud of this sequence!
10:08 Their last words

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@ZanaGBYT 2 года назад

I honestly would love to see a part two, where the team looks at 2D and/or 3D artists, and software developers of various trades. Maybe thrown in a mathematician with large data set projects to spice things up

@gonnabestupidbutactuallyno8295 2 года назад

Well, the problem is that 2D artists don't need that amount of power, and as for 3D, currently most of the software is not optimised. Like, if I'm not mistaken Blender, for example, still can't use natively GPU cores. And while not everyone uses blender, probably it's really common problem there Edit: ok, it supports it now.

@nukularpictures 2 года назад

Well at least for deep learning its not as good as something with an RTX 3070 or RTX 3080. Just does not support features like special data formats as NVidia is using. For 3D: Honestly the software is the limitation. Autodesk Inventor does not have a MacOS version. Neither does CATIA or SolidWorks. So the big 3 are not running under MAC. What do you want to test there? There is no professional software available for MacOS. The closest things is Fusion 360 but honestly that just does not compare to Inventor or SolidWorks. For artists the only professional option I know is Maya. That you might be able to test.

@THYMY_PAVLOVAS 2 года назад

Architects work on demanding 2D and 3D softwares constantly

@nukularpictures 2 года назад

@@THYMY_PAVLOVAS one of my friends is an architect. His work machine has an GTX 1650 with an 6 core i5. And it is fast enough for everything. Ok not rendering, for that they use an extra server. The vast majority of projects does not require that much power for architecture.

@MAGAIVER 2 года назад

@@gonnabestupidbutactuallyno8295 On Oliur's review of the new Mac Studio he mentions that blender can now work with the GPU, he did some blender benchmarks on the M1 Ultra Mac Studio

@gatep5 2 года назад

Like the concept here but seem like it could be a multi-part series following more different types of creators.

@elliotsharpe5448 2 года назад

Yeah I'd like to see some coders

@Daniel-dj7fh 2 года назад

@@elliotsharpe5448 I dunno man, coding is too code dependent for one to see if the device is good or not. Also I've coded on my galaxy tab a10.1 2016, so the base specs required are really low compared to what the MBpro should be able to do.

@zeus1117 Год назад

@@elliotsharpe5448 Coding is not something special honestly. That will run on any machine actually.

@waylonnicholson371 2 года назад

I love all the LMG channels, but something about MA and Jonathan’s narration is very special. Great job as always.

@gogobrasil7185 2 года назад

Tbf this video was so well produced, better than what the other channels put out

@Yulad_A 2 года назад

@@gogobrasil7185 true but it's also because this channel actually has time to produce with one video per week schedule.

@slippydouglas 2 года назад

He definitely goes for a more story-based RU-vid mini-documentary approach, which is nice regardless of the subject matter. Much more Vox-ish than nightly news.

@amitabhamit904 2 года назад

I was gonna say that 😀😀

@TodorKatsarski 2 года назад

I'm not a Mac user and when MA started it felt LMG-like, but also a bit different from the other channels at the same time. As you mentioned it feels special in a very good way, I like it and watch it regularly.

@SpaceChicken 2 года назад

This is the most unique LMG channel. Fitting for Apple enthusiasts. Well done, Jonathan!

@illinoisjones1125 2 года назад

I keep seeing ‘LMG Channel’ What does LMG stand for in this context?

@bounce2100 2 года назад

@@illinoisjones1125 Linus Media Group

@fetzie23 2 года назад

@@illinoisjones1125 "linus media group"

@SpaceChicken 2 года назад

@@toma01001 I am, thanks!

@Gabriel2005Gaming 2 года назад

hi space chicken

@botenjohn1752 2 года назад

Good video. Just like you mentioned, professional software is a big issue. I think it’s even hard for Adobe to catch up with Apple evolving hardware. But all these “legacy” ports on the MacBook is a good start

@mrpw1402 2 года назад

For sure I think it’s based on your use case. I ditched my 2013 Mac Pro for the M1 Mac mini for video editing in adobe premiere and it is a complete night and day difference how much more powerful it is

@zhouye7647 2 года назад

Adobe is always behind everybody

@pleepler 2 года назад

Not just Adobe, but Apple's pandering to creators only, with creator software lacking massively, is a market niche Apple is carving for people who simply don't care about computers, pretty much dropping a fat deuce on all the people who created the M1. Instead of exploring what that chip can do (and finally have a proper competitor to Nvidia Quadro), we have, well, what do we have? Nothing. What is Apple's USP? Uselessness?

@walrusgumboot 2 года назад

@@pleepler laptops that perform at their peak without being plugged into power?

@carholic-sz3qv 2 года назад

Bullshit!!!!! It's not about Adobe catching up to Apple hardware but it's the multitude of hardware that is actually difficult to optimise on all platforms.

@ModernWizardx1 2 года назад

The last sequence had some next level editing!! Made me feel valued as a viewer and was pretty nice to watch! Good job Mac address team 🙌

@kyelily2350 2 года назад

This channel is such a different feel from ltt and I love it, ltt and short circuits video style is amazing, but damn, this just has a good feel and it's fresh y'know? Everyone at lmg does such amazing work

@idontknow-tj5vo 2 года назад

i love how consumer-focused this channel is and how a lot of channels are pivoting to more consumer-focused content! edit: didn't know that there would be discourse on this, so to clarify: i meant that this video actually shows how the Mac fits into real-life use case scenarios, and not just only focusing on stating specs of the machine itself. thank you all for the opinions !

@brianfong5711 2 года назад

But isn't this producer focused since the video focused on 2 producers of music and video?

@abrahammorales570 2 года назад

@@brianfong5711 I mean, they are the target audience for this product.

@manaspradhan8041 2 года назад

@@brianfong5711 did you expect them to give one to their kids to consume RU-vid content?

@XanderEwald 2 года назад

The opposite of what you’re saying is what this video is.

@gogobrasil7185 2 года назад

@@manaspradhan8041 ah yes, the only two kind of people, producers and kids

@NueNueKiro 2 года назад

Little tip for Viiola: you can get Reason+ and it will work as a VST inside Ableton. It has all the same nice patching and wiring and sound workflow but with the editing capabilities of Ableton. I personally liked the way Reason sounded and was in a league of its own in terms of sound design, but in terms of arrangement and timeline it is a nightmare if you ask me compared to Ableton which yeah, it's a bit weird and has its own logic, but at the same time once you get the workflow it is second to none. So yeah, Reason+ for sound design/composing and Ableton as a backbone/arrangement only

@xerreonlikes 2 года назад

I used to have a music production station just a tad above what the person in this video had but I use Ableton Live. For me even upgrading to the base model 14" was an astronomical change. Native support really makes or breaks the deal in music.

@RanDieBam 2 года назад

I am a Cubase user and as soon as I heard the next version of Cubase got M1 support, I was much more enticed to get a MacBook Air for mobile work. Now I have it and still have to wait for the Cubase upgrade because of monetary reasons, but it already feels like a great investment.

@Nicole_Richards 2 года назад

I mean yeah. Reason is fun for a hobbyist, but if you’re doing real time recording and actually trying to make music…… why? I like a score for midi input so I use logic, but basically any software: Logic, Ableton, Cubase, Protools, Audition, etc…. is going to work better.

@zeus1117 Год назад

Sadly the person uses some weird stuff and not sure how much representative was that at all. M1 and M2 is fabulous for music production with low latency!

@zeus1117 Год назад

@@Nicole_Richards Bitwig too with native support and arguable better even than Ableton.

@StunnerAlpha 2 года назад

I love the anti-apple fanboyism of this channel. It feels like so many other reviewers are so quick to sing their praises and talk up the product. I love the impartiality of this channel/company as a whole.

@arthuralford 2 года назад

I don't see it as "anti-apple fanboyism" as much as looking at Apple products in real-world use. Johnathan seems like someone who likes Apple, and their products, but is also able to look at their flaws objectively. That's different from being anti-Apple and saying everything they make is c***

@willstw 2 года назад

Maybe he means anti “apple fanboyism” not “anti apple” fanboyism

@StunnerAlpha 2 года назад

@@willstw this 👆

@StunnerAlpha 2 года назад

@@arthuralford I think you misunderstand. I love the impartiality of the reviewers here. I am an iOS dev and (regrettably) own way more apple devices right now than most would get in their lifetime. I am used to seeing reviewers like Max Tech talk up apple products more than impartially scrutinize. My job requires I get apple products but I’m far from a fanboy and have much disdain for their lack of practicality in many of their design decisions. I think if more reviewers criticized we’d get apple to listen more. Which seems to be what apple is starting to do (wrt rolling back stupid design decisions of MBPs).

@jakublulek3261 2 года назад

When you are using a computer to work on projects and/or make you money, you are much more critical when things go south. I use my Thinkpad P52 every day and I am not fanboy of Lenovo or anything, it just works for what I am doing and I would recommend to any engineer who would ask me. I don't care about a brand, I care about how it works. And creators using Macs would have the same opinion, I guess.

@slickl9608 2 года назад

This is a great example of practicality. Very nice to see and a great reminder for tech heads about judging devices for the general audience

@adityakhabiya5348 2 года назад

The issue Andrew had is prolly because the MBP considered 2000 samples as low power high efficiency work and didn't switch to the regular cores. That is an issue with scheduling.

@Spanky2k 2 года назад

Really beautifully edited video guys! Also Jonathan's face as he instantly loses all respect for his friend at 8:35 for getting a Space Grey one is absolutely priceless.

@SuperKherlen 2 года назад

This.

@TheValueOfN Год назад

Space Grey would be my choice.

@kurvin2719 2 года назад

We're running into similar issues with our kubernetes environment, apparently native iOS development is amazing but as soon as you try to get arm to run x86 things tend to fall apart pretty quickly and our build times for kubernetes pods tend to fall apart pretty quickly. Seems to be more of an issue with plugins etc we use, hut rely slows down our overall development stack and is quite frustrating. So we're still looking to utilise Intel Mac's for the foreseeable future.

@StunnerAlpha 2 года назад

I’m an iOS dev so we have put in requests for these new systems. I’ve heard that android developers still have some broken things as yet with this ARM arch that has to to be ironed out. I know some colleagues that got an M1 half a year ago and they have run into quite a few issues. I’m definitely not expecting it to be entirely smooth sailing.

@StunnerAlpha 2 года назад

@@RockySeay I’m right there with you! Personally I like to wait at least until the second revision before deciding to go through with a purchase. Especially after a big/revolutionary change.

@ben_car_8115 2 года назад

I intentionally upgraded (from a 13inch 2015 MBP) to a 16 inch 2019 right before the transition because I knew that it would take a very long time for me to feel comfortable that my development stack would be fully functional. I definitely don’t regret it.

@FernandoAES 2 года назад

After a year, most softwares I use are now native. But I had to compile a couple libraries myself to make them work in m1 mac, like pyside6.

@LeahLundqvist 2 года назад

Docker and Kubernetes have always just been pretty rough in general in my experience. Afaik Docker on macOS runs inside a Linux VM for example, just the “Docker Engine” alone uses almost 11 gigs of ram on my m1 pro 😭

@evilhamsterzz 2 года назад

Love the collaboration of actual Pros for pro products. Loved the Apple pencil vid and loved this one too. Good to see that someone acknowledges that these machines can be used for way more than video editing.

@ninbura 2 года назад

The audio latency part is highly dependent on what audio interface you're using. With RME audio interfaces you can achieve 64 samples (5ms round trip) without pops or stutters on a mid to high tier PC or Mac. Even with low end Focusrite interfaces you can achieve sub 10ms round trip with good performance using their AISO driver. His problem comes from using the built-in audio system, I'm a bit floored that any musician would do this.

@penisdubs 2 года назад

the inbuilt drivers in macos are most compatible with other apps, i haven't used an asio soundcard with macos yet but on windows it would immediately botch all other applications from using audio though yeah i agree if latency is something you're worried about and you're doing a bunch of recording (both audio and midi) i dont get why you'd use the standard coreaudio driver

@gabrielcomidi 2 года назад

Asio is a windows driver not a mac driver, Macos uses Audio Core driver which is a native Apple driver compatible with pro Audio interfaces and the built in interface. With Logic, I never had any issues even on my biggest projects. There are a lot of factors that might affect the way the DAW behave.

@KyleMahaney 2 года назад

It can be but he had a ton of vst's and vsti's loaded, he was maxing DSP which in a purely CPU environment means CPU resources, this wasn't a matter of the interface not keeping up. The lower the buffer size, the faster all those software instruments and effects have to deliver the goods.. running probably all of them through Rosetta can very quickly mean problems.

@KC-bi9jw 2 года назад

I saw a Focusrite Scarlett 2i2 on his desk

@ninbura 2 года назад

@@penisdubs Yeah it really depends on the interface, I know with my Focusrite interferfaces of my past when using AISO the application would hog the entire soundcard. With RME interfaces all ins / outs can be used in multiple applications at once even with multiple applications pulling ASIO and MME at the same time on Windows. RME interfaces extract a heavy toll, however 🤑

@JewishMusicToronto 2 года назад

Hey Jonathan! First off, I always enjoy the visual quality of Mac Address videos. Second, and the reason I'm commenting, is that the audio issues that Andrew was having MAY (and I'm including that caveat because of my limited experience) come down to the interface he's using (assuming he's using an external interface, anyway). IT may not be powerful enough to handle the processing of the smaller sample sizes. I've found output capability differences between different tier interfaces that I've used, so... maybe he's having the same problem.

@mrGood-84 2 года назад

Any audio interface (including built in one) runs through CoreAudio so that’s not the reason. (I’m not saying there’s no difference between interfaces in that manner but it’s negligible)

@nicholasbinder5593 2 года назад

@@mrGood-84 That's true if they are class compliant. Otherwise, the way Interfaces will perform at different buffer sizes can still come down to their drivers. We've tested Cubase Pro 11 under Rosetta on an M1 Mac Mini, and while a song with about 50 tracks ran stutter-free on a Focusrite Saffire 6i6, we've had terrible performance with a UA Apollo Twin X. Tested the same on an Intel Mac and they both ran fine. So it seems that UAs drivers still aren't up to scratch (or weren't at the time of testing) for the new chip architecture.

@walrusgumboot 2 года назад

I was wondering if he was using an interface with external dsp processing?

@mrGood-84 2 года назад

@@nicholasbinder5593 Strange. I own Apollo Twin mk1 and it's running the same as it did on my Intel MBP. UA software still runs under Rosetta though....

@nicholasbinder5593 2 года назад

@@mrGood-84 It's been about a year since we did these tests, afaik UA released driver updates in the meantime.

@ByteReview 2 года назад

I think the music industry DAWs are quite good on Apple Silicon but it's the plug ins that they rely on that are the cause of loads of problems. I think they're often made by small companies so they can't move it over quickly as such .Part two with a video editor / 2D + 3D artist / & programmer would be amazing! Great vid!

@Finuppdx 2 года назад

The production quality of this channel is next level. Keep up the quality work!

@carlosbotero3416 2 года назад

I love the addition of audio engineers to the benchmarking. I feel like the audio engineer space is really big on youtube, yet doesnt get enough love from the youtube reviewer channels. Would of loved to see how the ableton live sample rate would of varied from the old MacBook vs the new ones.

@RainbowCornet 2 года назад

I'd like to see a look into how 3D artists feel about the M1 Ultra Mac Studio. Apple hyped it up as a powerhouse for 3D, but the benchmarks in Blender 3.1 seem really underwhelming.

@ezronthelegend 2 года назад

I kept saying this shit ever since the m1 chipset release the m1 chip is all bark no bite simple 1st party apps are awsome with it but what about 3rd party apps

@manaspradhan8041 2 года назад

@@ezronthelegend it's the third party software maker's job to support the hardware and make good use of it if they want that market. If they don't care, you just look for some other app

@RainbowCornet 2 года назад

@@manaspradhan8041 true, but in the case of Blender, Apple contributed the Metal compatibility themselves and it's still pretty meh performance. I think there might be a fundamental flaw with M1 that makes it less effective for 3D rendering.

@Ebalosus 2 года назад

@@ezronthelegend I provisionally disagree, because look at what it’s replacing in its price range: the Intel chips that came before it also made lofty promises and underdelivered (given what you’re paying for), so at the base M1 level, the chips are great. The Pro/Max/Ultra levels however, are a different story. They are priced to compete with hybrid systems (read: those with a discrete GPU), yet their price-to-performance is pretty lousy. TBF to Apple, the first-gen Intel lineup by-and-large didn’t set the world on fire either, and the same applies to the chips used in their early iPhones and iPads, so while the M1 is a solid start, I’d probably wait until the M2X or M3X before getting a higher-end product.

@harmvzon 2 года назад

@@manaspradhan8041 You can’t just change your workflow and pipeline in a studio just because your new hardware isn’t handling it well. I would turn it around. Apple should adept and make hardware and software people can use in existing pipelines. You can’t say to a studio full of people working in a program, you have to change all to different software because we bought new hardware.

@RickSanchez-st3mj 2 года назад

this was very well done! i loved how this was written and presented, great job for everyone who worked on this!

@issyleslie 2 года назад

So glad you guys came out with this video. I work on broadway musicals and a lot within the industry have been umming and ahing about the new MacBook pros. We heavily rely on particular software, like Reason, that's specifically built for theatre operations, hence, is far more niche and therefore can't get the instant software fixes for the M1 architecture. Was very interesting seeing how massive of a problem that software barrier can be with complex and niche apps, I mean 4000 samples is ridiculous, and frankly unusable in many cases.

@thomasdernederlanden 2 года назад

I’ve used Reason for two decades now and I’m looking forward to upgrade to an arm mac. But I know Reason isn’t ready yet for native support of the M1 and up yet. So I look at this as an “fixed” match. There is a lot of music software companies that’s not ready yet. I had this problem when going from MacOS 9 to 10.

@robertt9342 2 года назад

Did you have the same problem going to intel?

@thomasdernederlanden 2 года назад

@@robertt9342 that transition went easier and faster. We’ll see how they can stick to their new timeline and deliver M1 support before the summer. I need to upgrade my computer, but I will wait for an Mac mini with the M2 chip. I’d like to see some Mac Studio features trickle down to the mini and maybe that you can choose a Pro chip. We’ll see what Tim will do.

@good-tn9sr 2 года назад

@@thomasdernederlanden hey what genre of music do you produce, I’m getting into music production and am also waiting for m2 max mini

@xkidmidnightx 2 года назад

Reason Studios are just awful these days. All about pumping out more unneeded Rack Extensions and sound packs instead of fixing the core program.

@rodmunch69 2 года назад

I'm surprised that it would actually run slower on M1 than on a 2015 MacBook Pro. Personally I went from a 2015 MacBook Pro, fully loaded, to an MacBook Air M1, and while everything native was incredibly fast, performance on older x86 apps, in most cases, felt about the same or slightly more responsive. I guess that translation layer needs some help with the more complex multimedia apps. In any case, at some point you'd think they'd update it to native M1, in which case any performance bottle necks should be removed. But it's not bad advice to wait a bit longer if there's something in particular you're using that doesn't yet work.

@nathancoutts9679 2 года назад

Really great video guys. I need an upgrade for my recording rig [2013 MBP] but the software is still so far behind. For me, I’m contemplating an M1 Air purchase to test everything on and THEN buying a Studio once I can confirm all software is ready to go. The form factor and hardware is fantastic but the time/extra cost involved with this transition is large for some in the audio space. Although most DAW’s are supported, it’s the plugin’s/extra’s that aren’t optimised and are often are made by smaller developers who aren’t resourced enough to transition at any pace. In a professional environment these are all risks that never feel great taking.

@mrGood-84 2 года назад

What plugins do you use most? I have almost 0 issues.

@richboss_ 2 года назад

There's rumours about a new air with an M2 chip coming later this year. You might wanna wait for that.

@Krell666 Год назад

Big thumbs up for including Audio production, more of this!

@pvtcmyers87 2 года назад

Really well done video. Please keep bringing more of these.

@gogobrasil7185 2 года назад

Damn, this was a really well produced video! So interesting and pleasant to watch. Keep on this direction, definitely one of the best I've seen here on RU-vid! About the Mac, I guess it really comes down to your use case. It's probably still on that level where it makes more sense for actual professionals who happen to use a software that's good on the M1. Although its features are really tempting. I hope they, along with the design, make their way over to the cheaper models.

@gogobrasil7185 2 года назад

Loved the shots and the colors.

@lorenzoaguettaz7720 2 года назад

Finally! This is such a requested video. Every time the only benchmark that RU-vidrs test when they do reviews on this machine is video editing. However, there is still a large portion of professionals that do other stuff and use other softwares. It would be cool to see this as a “series of video” where Mac Address explore the use of this machines in different professions and with different professionals. Like, one video dedicated to the music production and interview 4 different professionals with 4 different software that they use. That would be so interesting!

@TheValueOfN Год назад

Yes! Please do more vids about music production on computers.

@Ondro97 2 года назад

Finally someone (from big players on yt) who addresses music production and problem with buffer size! Thank you for your time and effort. Great video!

@jameswalker5921 2 года назад

Very well made and informative video! Just the input I needed.

@mohammedshurrab6831 2 года назад

8 am in Turkey. Perfect timing.

@Compscott8 2 года назад

I found this to be really interesting but would love to see it expanded upon even more. I have always been a Mac fan, but have never been able to justify the switch not only just because of the price but also because of the compatibility with other hardware and such. A series on a long time Windows builder/user being encouraged to switch and the process of getting all their existing hardware working on the Mac would be interesting.

@JanPrze 2 года назад

THANK YOU for including music production!!!

@CaravanCreative 2 года назад

This is a fantastic direction for the channel. I really appreciated the Apple Pencil competitor video as well as the iPad Pro in a real workflow episode. Everyone seems to just compare benchmarks without talking to anyone with real experience in a field that would benefit from upgrading their new devices. Music Production, Photographers, Filmmakers, Graphic Designers - all niches that want to know which device will do the trick. Thanks for this!

@ryanawol77 2 года назад

Please make more videos like this with the new Apple devices. It's very nice to see a very well define video when talking about the relationship between Apple Devices and Pro users.

@skyon9507 2 года назад

I like the idea that LMG can expand into content outside of the knoleagble gamer that they normally write for. While thats not a bad thing and i am one of those people this is something different that other types of techies can get into and it has a different feel to everything else LMG makes.

@moshmoshpitpit 2 года назад

I've watched every video you've made on the channel and this is your BEST ONE YET. Awesome work! It was nice to see apps used that you wouldn't normally see in other videos. I use Unreal Engine on my M1 Max and you know what? not bad!

@progenitor_amborella 2 года назад

I like that shot of you with the camera angle showing you walking into the set, looking partially outwards. Cool!

@davidg5898 2 года назад

I use MOTU audio interfaces for music recording, and they're usually one macOS version behind with their drivers (as are many DAW manufacturers). Sure, the existing drivers *usually* work with the latest macOS, but isn't worth attempting an OS upgrade right away just in case it has to be downgraded again. That's not even addressing the Apple Silicon architecture change. It took until late 2021 before most of MOTU's line-up was supported on M1. And it's looking like legacy hardware will never be supported on it. For digital audio, low latency operation is paramount and developing new drivers always has the manufacturers playing catch-up whenever there's a major OS or architecture change.

@xXfzmusicXx 2 года назад

SMB on MAC has always been a rough experience, but I've had customers where we set up both SMB and AFP on the same server and that usually solves it. It means they can both access the data, but it requires some time setting up, and can change performance a bit.

@MaddTheSane 2 года назад

Unfortunately AFP is deprecated. Apple removed the server in the past couple of years. In fact, APFS partitions couldn't be shared over AFP.

@xXfzmusicXx 2 года назад

@@MaddTheSane you can still set it up and use it in trunas.

@rkkasotiya 11 месяцев назад

Loving this guy. He's so good at keeping viewers engaged till the end. Makes me wanna see other videos too like let's see how he walks us through this xyz product or service. Loved Apple One worth it or not video too. Keep up the good work man! You rock.

@Crowder 2 года назад

Man I love this sort of documentary style videos you got going on here, like the pencil one. Keep it up!

@cloudysanchito 2 года назад

This was by far the best video on the channel so far. Thank you for making it.

@frammenzio 2 года назад

Just a note about audio work: Just like Viiola Bloom, i upgraded from a mid 2014 15" MBP (shares same everything with the 2015 model except graphics and ssd) to a M1 Pro. But my daw of choice is Ableton, which is now M1 optimized. At first, just by watching the app's cpu meter, I didn't notice any significant benefit, but then, opening the same, huuge project, I noticed that the old mac just couldn't even playback, while the M1 was flying. One really absurd thing is that with the M1 you get lower CPU usage by reducing buffer size! That is nonsense crazy. It may be a CPU meter error, but anyways I can now use ridicolous buffer sizes like 64, with almost no latencies, and basically do almost whatever I want without caring about performance issues and without fans spinning all the time.

@eddielucitt 2 года назад

I think the biggest issue with this video is that it failed to explain optimization within a DAW. There are many things that can be done to reduce latency such as bouncing down VSTis to audio tracks etc. If this person was using Logic or Studio One I'm sure the results would have been way more in his favor.

@frammenzio 2 года назад

@@eddielucitt yes they just briefly said that they were using an old, not-m1-native version of Reason, but they didn’t had a chance to show how a native daw performs. Another, not mentioned, important thing to keep in mind when upgrading to Apple Silicon is the audio interface compatibility, especially if you’re using relatively old devices: atm there are just a few that can deliver full functionality and drivers. Many will work, but with class-compliant drivers (that could mean less routings/less i-o/less samplerates & bit depths available). It may not be a problem for many, but for who has relatively old hardware (audio interfaces don’t get obsolete as quickly as many other devices) could mean also a gear update. In my case, i had to keep my old mac running to use an old firewire interface (fw is no longer compatible with M1) that I can’t ditch because i love the sound of those specific preamps for some applications.

@kaitlyn__L Год назад

@@frammenzio I’m curious if you looked into a Thunderbolt to FireWire adapter? A lot of them use the TB1 and TB2 connector AKA miniDP and would need a further adapter to USB-C, but one of the selling points when Apple first added Thunderbolt a little over a decade ago was high FW800 compatibility. That said, I’m looking to upgrade but will be keeping my 2012 i7 around anyway for 32-bit plug-ins and may want to route audio through it via optical almost like a big guitar pedal, so I can definitely understand keeping the old machine around for some purposes no matter what!

@frammenzio Год назад

@@kaitlyn__L I already have a fw adapter, but with the new Apple Silicon architecture they completely ditched fw protocol. So it's not just a connector problem, fw devices simply can no longer communicate with the latest macs. That fw800->thunderbolt->usbc method works only till the latest intel macs. So, keeping "oldware" is the way to go, as always!

@kaitlyn__L Год назад

@@frammenzio oh jeez, I’ve not seen anyone mention that the M1/2 Thunderbolt implementation dropped it! That sucks, but also thank you for telling me. Just another reason to keep my current machine with TB1 and FW800.

@OzHache 2 года назад

Love the documentary feel to theses videos. Thank you for the amazing work.

@ramonmata 2 года назад

Love the documentary style/type video, really nice.

@NathanMillerVisuals 2 года назад

I literally just bought the 14" M1 Pro with 16GB today. My desktop is a Threadripper 3960x with an RTX 3090. My laptop was a 2017 Razer Blade Stealth. I bought the M1 Pro because I'm a fan of the fully integrated system for laptops. I'm a traveling media manager and editor for events. I usually travel with the Razer Core with my older GTX 1070 for editing. That's all not a problem but I recently got a little surge in income to justify a $2500 spec of the 14" for that screen and battery life. Stuff that the Windows laptop market isn't offering at that price.

@mohitbassi752 2 года назад

I would love to hear an update from Reason > Ableton dude. Been using Ableton 11.1 with M1 support and have found it surprisingly snappy - most products shouldn't be bought on a promise of future updates, but Apple's massive fan base and motivated/resource-abled developers are already making the switch. This is still a transition period, but I suspect app support will be better. Sample use case: I load Ableton 11.1, buffer size is 2048 samples with 96,000 in/out sample rate (the highest settings in ableton), and input latency is 21.3 ms / 25.1ms output (46.4 ms overall, not the best, but very impressive and fast enough for me to record). M1 MBA. I can reduce buffer size to 1024 samples, and the overall latency drops to 25.1ms I am wondering if M1 Pro or M1 Max performance on the Pros is so much different from the fan-less MBA. Especially since Ableton made the switch and this is now optimized software that requires a lot of real-time processing

@tkpenalty 2 года назад

I've not had the same results using Ableton - what were you comparing to previously? I've had quite a lot of issues vs say a Ryzen R5 4600U on Windows, especially when it came to loading a lot of samples int o the project.

@jean-pierrejoubert6140 2 года назад

I really appreciate your comment. Been oscillating between getting a MBA and a MBPro with the M1 Pro, leaning towards the M1 Pro given how my M1 iMac works (lots of spinny wheels and I'm not sure why). I'm leaning towards the Pro because of stuff like this ... Also going back and forth between 14" and 16" even though I can use my iPad with Sidecar. Running Ableton 10 currently, though I don't use it much yet, so hearing your perspective is invaluable.

@mohitbassi752 2 года назад

@@tkpenalty I used to have the last Intel 16 inch Macbook Pro actually, and it was about the same, if not slightly slower in real time - I sold that one for the MBA (though I don't have any hard numbers for my 16 Intel Macbook for Ableton)

@mohitbassi752 2 года назад

@@jean-pierrejoubert6140 Right on - I suspect Ableton 10's performance is fairly worse than for 11.1 given the transition - I think I'll stick with M1 MBA for now, but will eventually get the 16 M1 Pro (or whatever future iteration) down the road - screen real estate and max brightness being higher on that device, with better speakers and the high impedence headphone jack (not studio grade, but still), might all lean me towards it eventually. Just can't justify buying it right now for myself - so maxed out M1 MBA it is, for now

@kaiturley5317 2 года назад

It just comes off as nooby, you can literally run reason INSIDE of ableton as a plugin if there was some sort of instrument he missed.

@Eldredtb 2 года назад

Good job. Videos on this channel are such a breath of a fresh air. I really liked the real-life value approach. Keep up the great work!

@Makwaje 2 года назад

Amazing content!! waiting for part 2 :)

@awgonin3622 2 года назад

I recently bought a 16” M1 Pro MacBook for uni, and although realistically its kinda overkill, switching from a AUD$1000 windows laptop to this, its just the best laptop I could want. Having never used a Mac before, the productivity features of the OS where just so intuitive to learn its been fantastic. Pages is also just so much better for creating chapter summaries with screenshots from textbooks, and as a casual writing tool.

@claymusic2205 2 года назад

The M1 is faster than the 9th Gen core i9 . Imagine the M1 pro

@manaspradhan8041 2 года назад

@@claymusic2205 so is my ryzen 5 4500u lmfao

@user-wd9jd6zc6h 2 года назад

This is the best laptop you will say if you buy $2500 one 😒 And M1 Air was overkill for you

@claymusic2205 2 года назад

@@manaspradhan8041 I was talking about Intel i9 9th gen not ryzen

@marcusborderlands6177 2 года назад

@@claymusic2205 yes, the i9 is slower than a 4500u Also most apps still go through Rosetta and have meh performance. M1 is great, but it's not THAT good, it's early.

@TraneFrancks 2 года назад

Interesting. Not the outcomes I was expecting. In my case, I'm sticking with Intel CPUs because I have a number of Intel-based VMs that I run under Parallels. Perhaps my need for these VMs will go away, at which time my ties to Intel will be broken and then I can consider upgrading.

@TheNewPlaces 2 года назад

These are the types of videos I’d like to see from the channel. Well done.

@deelirious 2 года назад

I love this last videos showing the products in use.

@Atlastheyote222 2 года назад

That whole bit on Reason didn’t surprise me at all lol. They are so far behind ProTools and Live

@fordaudiodesign8631 2 года назад

Really surprising results from Andrew using Reason! I would love to see his results contrasted with a music producer using Logic Pro X, apple's own DAW. As someone still using Intel Macs and Logic to make music, it feels like a bit of limbo at the minute being nervous to upgrade to a new platform, or ditching the software I love to go PC. This was a great video!

@austinz9310 2 года назад

I bought the new MacBook and am a logic user and it rips. The performance is way better than pretty much any other Mac. There are still some plug-in companies that are lagging behind, but for the most part everything runs fine. The only problem I’ve run into is sometimes plugins like Kontakt will allocate all processing to a single core and max it out while the other 9 cores are chilling. So that’s the only performance hiccup I’ve run into.

@drompus4639 2 года назад

@@austinz9310 Thats always been a logic issue. When a track is record enabled/selected it will process it using a single thread (don't know why, perhaps has a latency related reason). If you select another track then play the audio it should start multi-threading but you'll always have to deal with that single thread issue when recording, or at least I've never known a way around it.

@drompus4639 2 года назад

I took a leap of faith with a base M1 16gb macbook air for drafting logic sessions on the go and well, If you use logic don't worry about it-just so long as you can get your plug ins working well. I push my air to its knees but I'm also starting to challenge my main 12 core 2010/2012 Mac Pro so take from that what you will Only complaint is sometimes getting arm to play nice with specific plug ins can be a paaain-though I have yet to ever fail to get something to work and I've never had performance issues, like Andrew did, only ever quality of life ones (like plug ins needing to be reset/reloaded if the macbook goes to sleep-specifically many of spitfires plugins) So unless you know your plug ins will be problematic, you should feel safe making the switch so long as youre braced for maybe a hiccup here and there as everyone gets used to the new architecture-which has honestly gone incredibly smoothly all things considered When the time comes to finally retire the old mac pro I'll definitely be confidently buying apple silicon again ;) (P.S. I largely work with MIDI and sample libraries and haven't used my macbook for studio recording yet-but I haven't heard of anyone else having issues. Might want to check with other peoples experience if high end recording with old equipment is your thing)

@Weather_Wonders 2 года назад

Love the channel and the content keep up the great work

@ParsianTV 2 года назад

man love your videos. They are just so perfectly done.

@jayakrishnancv9800 2 года назад

Just tell that guy to use Logic Pro X💥

@antonioruizmateos 2 года назад

As an all-round creative, I’ve switched from a Mac Pro 2019 to a MacBook Pro M1 Max. Honestly, it’s been a great change so far. Premiere / After Effects projects that struggled with the Mac Pro are buttery smooth now, and overall I don’t miss the Intel + ATI combination at all. I can do more, faster and now fully portable. Creative Suite works fine in general, and I’m confident that software optimization will improve with time. So far I’m pretty happy with the transition, for me it’s worth the investment.

@estycki 2 года назад

Is After Effects working well? I thought it doesn’t work natively

@antonioruizmateos 2 года назад

@@estycki Beta version is M1 native, but I use the most up-to-date one with Rosetta and it works without any issue. Performance is already better than on my previous Intel Mac Pro, so in theory this can only improve with future releases.

@SpellCheck8 2 года назад

I love that you still published the video even though it wasn't what you expected. Really makes us trust y'all at LMG. :)

@primistandem6781 2 года назад

Really loved this video. The review by two different professionals and how it applied to their particular workflow was really interesting. Very well done!

@SaltyPenguin255 2 года назад

Can we pull together to just buy him Logic Pro??

@tkpenalty 2 года назад

Finally someone using the Macbooks in a proper real world context. I had to return my Mac due to similar issues with music production - it was idosyncratic. EDIT : I can't blame Apple - the Macbook otherwise felt far more modern than anything I have currently. Maybe in the next few years - it'll finally come to maturity, but I have my doubts given how AMD and Intel are making leaps and bounds in Performance. Apple's issue is that it's only leapfrogged their competitors due to them bagging all the TSMC 5nm capacity early on. Once Intel's ARC are on 5nm, things might turn out quite differenlty.

@metacob 2 года назад

What I like about all the LMG videos is how you get to know the people working there. For example, I'm a big fan of the "tech upgrade" videos on LTT. At first I thought MA would be much more separate from the rest, but it incorporates the non-hosts much more than the others! I don't own any Apple hardware other than a broken ipod touch from 2011 or so, but I'm starting to enjoy this channel anyway.

@SteveTheDog115 2 года назад

The production quality on this is so superb! Feels like a mini documentary more than a LMG video! I just barely dabble in Apple products, but mac address really hits it out of the park with their videos i cant avoid watching them!

@basictv1947 2 года назад

He is more creative than Linus

@mrGood-84 2 года назад

Great and realistic review buuuuut - very problem specific IMO. Yes, the software lags behind (as always). Is that a general case? Hell no! I use Logic and Studio One DAWs and buuuumch of third party plugin software and I’ve gained noticeable performance gains compared to my previous 15” 2017 i7 2.8ghz mbp even if some of them (still) run in Rosetta. And it’s dead quiet and has at least 2x more battery potential while running those intense projects. Adobe is well known for making shitty software and when you compare how Capture One, DaVinci Resolve and Affinity suite run on M1, it’s even more sad.

@Vageta1999 2 года назад

Exactly, this guy is using software from the Stone Age. Im surprised that it made it through the 64bit transition

@Rotwold 2 года назад

@@Vageta1999 in general you do expect older software to run faster on newer hardware. But it seems like there are quite a few issues getting the software to run without hickups. Issues like not being able to use certain features and running plugins/extension/drivers. I've been looking to buying the M1 but I will probably wait until the software support is more matured and get the M2.

@as-qh1qq 2 года назад

This review is such a fresh, unique, new and relevant take .... great work.

@lovebags5139 2 года назад

I love this video. This is the kind of content I would love to see more!

@AllTheBestVideos 2 года назад

Thanks for uploading at 1 AM…

@aditjindal 2 года назад

wdym, it's 10:30 am

@Neoxon619 2 года назад

It’s midnight for me.

@sohamdhiman09 2 года назад

In India it's 10 30

@User540a 2 года назад

wdym? its morning dude.

@tomfahey3305 2 года назад

5 am here

@ETBONIFACIO 2 года назад

I like how Mac Address do these kinds of videos so people can choose better and easier.

@user-mq1ic7ce2s 2 года назад

Very interesting video - this has been the best video on mac I have seen in a long time if not ever.

@ytv6770 2 года назад

We need part 2 of this!!

@christiaanventer8183 2 года назад

wow this was a real world level that I had no expectations and was still surprised by the results. One use case is "software is garbage might as well upgrade." the other is "Its great but not at that price tag." and I agree, if $4000 will get you a water cooled Threadripper and color graded peripherals that is nearly 60% faster for your specific workload, why buy the macbook?

@sullenday 2 года назад

plus people get suckered into the cool factor of laptops but do they really need one? I guess if you want to pay the premium to take it to the coffee shop?

@thenoobperspective7588 2 года назад

It’s a little weird and unfair to compare a laptop to a desktop, rather than another laptop, for any use case. Still, you might consider the MacBook for a couple of reasons. Noise, power draw, and portability. If you’re getting 70% of the performance of a huge, power hungry desktop in a package you can throw in a backpack and take with you, and operate at full speed on BATTERY power for 5-8 hours with no need to be near an outlet.. that could be game changing for people who work from home or travel. If you ONLY work at an office space with a static setup.. why look at any laptop? At that point the M1 Ultra Mac Studio would be a more apt, and fascinating, comparison.

@christiaanventer8183 2 года назад

@@thenoobperspective7588 fair enough, if you have limited space or travel or need silence or are locked into the apple ecosystem then your argument is valid. If you finished watching the video, clearly an option presented as macbook or desktop, and desktop was chosen. Not for features, or compact, or noise but price tag. As great as the mbp is, it's not worth $4000.

@Vageta1999 2 года назад

@@christiaanventer8183 I thought it was 2300? Also if you got that the choice was MacBook or desktop out of the video, you might need to get your head checked out. They literally tell you the takeaway in the title.

@Vageta1999 2 года назад

I mean, I have a fancy water cooled pc that can run with way more performance than my MacBook, but the last time I checked, I can’t use it in a car, train, class or public settings. If people were to have a single computer, the vast majority would prefer a laptop. Sacrificing power for versatility is pretty much the standard.

@RidenourMedia 2 года назад

So, I use Reason and went from a Windows desktop to an M1 Air, and the Air blows my PC out of the water. I don't have ANY of those issues. Something else is wrong.

@prospersikhwari5289 2 года назад

It’s an audio interface problem. He should have done more research before spending so much on a new machine.

@peterdecroos1654 2 года назад

its rosetta. its amazing for what it is but translating from one processor interface to another still incurrs a hugh overhead and he's running software though it that by itself also incurs a high overhead

@RidenourMedia 2 года назад

@@prospersikhwari5289 Seems likely, but I don't use a particularly high end interface. It looks like he uses a Focusrite, which I wouldn't expect issues like that from. Perhaps it's a driver issue, though.

@RidenourMedia 2 года назад

@@peterdecroos1654 again,though, I have no such problems.

@brianfong5711 2 года назад

i love how producer-focused this channel is and how a lot of channels are pivoting to more producer-focused content!

@TheFandangovideoguy 2 года назад

fantastic docu-reality program! I would watch a part 2 if you make it!

@Catzzye 2 года назад

Poor Andrew I really felt it was gonna blow him away and make his life a lot easier

@bl6628 2 года назад

I think there's something else going wrong in that scenario. I bought my first ever Mac computer with the 2020 M1 Air and moved my music production hardware and software over and saw nothing but benefits. There were some compatibility issues early on but that was mainly from the version of the OS rather than an M1 issue. All was resolved within a couple months and to this day I haven't had issues and everything has worked, and have only gotten better as these updates rolled out.

@Neoxon619 2 года назад

As someone who does software development with a bit of audio editing on the side, would the M1 Pro suffice or should I go for the M1 Max?

@aditya_gupta 2 года назад

If you have doubt then you don't need max.

@j0shuaj 2 года назад

Pro should be good for years to come as long as you aren’t doing intense graphical work. For audio editing the cpu is more important than the gpu which is the same in both. I have the M1 Pro 10/16 32 for Software Dev, although it isn’t my main computer yet.

@Neoxon619 2 года назад

@@aditya_gupta RAM is my biggest concern on the software development side of things.

@arkayv 2 года назад

@@Neoxon619 yeah, never go 8Gigs, even if it is M1 pro. Learnt that the hard way after mine crashed and restarted once every couple of times I ran a build from cold starts.

@WutendPLayZ 2 года назад

@@arkayv m1 pro base is 16

@OfficialSamuelC 2 года назад

Love the production quality of these videos.

@malm1231 Год назад

ive been waiting for this kind of vid ever since i started watching LTT. GREAT WORK THANK YOU - as a bedroom producer i would add that most of us use logic or ableton. you are right software is abeoltely the determining factor. PLEASE do a vid like this for one of those programs (project file that pushes the system to its limits + show the system resource usage on both)

@Oliver_Saer 2 года назад

I get that it's largely based on availability of people you know, as LMG's professional contacts aren't likely to include music producers. However, I think you've debased the entire premise of this video by assessing people who aren't using the most popular software package for the platform. How can we say that music producers aren't going to get the instant jolt of benefit if most of them are using Ableton? I'd like to see more content focusing on _in the wild_ situations, but I don't think this video hit the mark for that.

@mmacs 2 года назад

I get your line of reasoning for "in the wild" use cases, but haven't other creators and reviewers (including other LMG channels) already covered M1 MBP impressions, benchmarks in their reviews? I'm guessing Mac Address ran with this narrative to differentiate themselves from other M1 MBP content

@ishaukthedoc5686 2 года назад

What dude? The entire premise of this video is that software development outside of the most popular apps has been slow to embrace M1. He actually would have debased his premise if he had focused on an Ableton user as you suggest.

@atinyknobofbutter9015 2 года назад

I just got a MacBook Pro 14 and let me just say that the display itself is worth it, $2000 well spent

@agenericaccount3935 2 года назад

Tapping your prior experience as a community/interview journalist has really paid off in spades, I think. Smart hire for everyone involved. To the point, I jumped from an older i9 to a vanilla M1 to an M1 pro. The pro has blown my socks off. All I really use is native stuff though, FCP and compressor. And I also occasionally edit HDR content. The screen unlocked doing that without fighting with conversion luts. I’m a fan. It’s for me. I don’t even have Rosetta installed 😂

@IkuMiku96 2 года назад

I love this video's pacing and directing, the way Jonathan delivers and how the video pacing, do feel like the good old trio's Top Gear segments. Its informative, inspiring and great timing (and with Jonathan's humour along) make this video a different class of its own. I love Mac Address channel even though i dont own any Apple products, just for this kind of narrative and directing.

@thsithks 2 года назад

Appreciate the attempt to represent some real world usage in music… but Reason is such an uncommon choice and sort of a waste of time to examine so closely when apps like Pro Tools, Logic and Ableton are by far the dominant environments in that world.

@Vageta1999 2 года назад

Came to same thing. I’ve never even heard of it until this vid and I’ve produced legit songs for people.

@ClevelandTerry 2 года назад

@@Vageta1999 reason has been around for years. As a producer you really should have known about it.

@tacoanime1711 2 года назад

As a software engineer (focused on ML development and data science research), should I care about this video?

@Neoxon619 2 года назад

I’m also curious, though I mostly do stuff like web development as well as general C++/Python/etc. coding.

@enzojacobsen4349 2 года назад

I love the music focused part.

@jordanmassey7131 2 года назад

This was one of the best video LTT has made. If not the best. The reporting style type video was well produced. Would love to see more of this.

@grouchyfluff 2 года назад

Who up, contemplating, thinking, posting they tech videos at 10:04 PM on St. Patrick's Day... cry all over that like button

@MikeJackman 2 года назад

The "real world" rarely involves content creation. The youtube response to M1 pro/max has been universally focused on that. To a hammer, everything is a nail and to a youtuber the only function of a high end laptop is making a youtube video/song/image. Ya know what, Apple knows that and its focus is slowly moving away from anything but how many HEVC streams it can decode at a time. I'm a business owner and software dev. Not once have I used my MBP M1 Max for content creation and I feel like I'm not alone. I bought it based on gut and a positive experience with previous macbooks, would be nice if I got a review that focused on the "real world" I and many others experience

@tacoanime1711 2 года назад

Agreed! It's honestly quite frustrating that so few people even mention MBP... or any computer for that matter, in context of anything outside content creation. Which, while useful to know for the sake of benchmarks, should really stop getting neglected.

@ishaukthedoc5686 2 года назад

In their defense they’re focusing on tasks that require the processing power of the highest end MBP. Besides content creation there isn’t much else that truthfully requires 32 gpu cores. Even software development and in my case CAD software can quite easily run on the lowest end of the MBP models. So for them to make a RU-vid video titled “can a $4000 MBP max run my excel spreadsheet and compile some code” would be ridiculous. So of course they’re going to focus on the tasks that realistically DO require that power. I actually think it’s very beneficial to consumers of them to emphasize how much you don’t need an M1 max

@heyyou6154 2 года назад

What use is that? You can't game on a Mac, so why else would you need a pro machine? it is really good laptop to browse the web and watch RU-vid on. My only complaint about MacBook Pro is that it is not one of the best machines for Blender. Anything else you want to create, you can. I will edit a future length movie on this machine and I am pretty sure that I will not run into any problems (as long as I don't have to do light clean up on after effects which is not optimized).

@MikeJackman 2 года назад

@@ishaukthedoc5686 How is it ridiculous? How long it takes to execute a SQL query or how many JSON docs a second it can process is extremely important to me. I need at least 32GB of ram to start up a JBOSS server and MongoDB on my local dev environment. How about creating Tableau extracts? Or moving files to an SD so I can configure a pi VPN server deployment? What about 2 Windows VMs each with multiple cores and four displays so I can monitor all of the servers in a cluster? Just cause you and RU-vidrs can't think of anything but Da Vinci resolve and blender, doesn't mean it doesn't have a use case in a professional environment

@MikeJackman 2 года назад

@@heyyou6154 It's a pro device. How long it takes to execute a SQL query or how many JSON docs a second it can process is extremely important to me. I need at least 32GB of ram to start up a JBOSS server and MongoDB on my local dev environment. How about creating Tableau extracts? Or moving files to an SD so I can configure a pi VPN server deployment? What about 2 Windows VMs each with multiple cores and four displays so I can monitor all of the servers in a cluster? Just cause you and RU-vidrs can't think of anything but Da Vinci resolve and blender, doesn't mean it doesn't have a use case in a professional environment

@AnupamAdkeM--- 2 года назад

Amaizing Content Would Like to see like these for smartphone and other products .. i loved how you have not only focused on vedio editors only and other people as well ... please do continue to make these amaizing videos

@jmssun 2 года назад

This is such a great documentary!

@stuartlunsford7556 2 года назад

I am an Apple hater, I can't stand their company, ethics, or fan-boys. It still stings me to see such fantastic hardware just being wasted. The price might be wrong, but this is some impressive engineering. Also, Mac Address is wonderful.

@Ozzymandius1 2 года назад

It’s ironic because Samsung is just as big a tyrant (if not bigger) in South Korea as Apple is in the US. Really any company is the same wherever capitalism reigns. I think you’re just hating a company for the sake of hating them. Pointing out “fan-boys” as a reason is kind of… infantile?

@stuartlunsford7556 2 года назад

@@Ozzymandius1 don't get me started on Samsung...lol