We Test The US Military's Newly Adopted .277 Fury Round 

Micah playing jokes all day

@@GarandThumb He needs a raise

@@GarandThumb but it was funny af tho lol he needs a raise lol

micah needs to be sacked

@@adderalandy1781 Sacked in the sack by women who are stacked?

USA military: "Who wants good news? Everyone?.... Good news everyone!"

This comment format is getting really old, kids.

Mandatory good news! And it come with PT belt reflection for night safety

U.S. Army: We basically remade .280 British

Don't worry the m4 will not die so easily

And bring back the cool 80s science intro!

😂

Must resolve.

It was laundry day so please excuse this oversight.

He's trying to be more serious...no really...serious

Someone better call Joe 😂

With the 277 fury or 6.8, the recoil actually removed MY lung.

micha

@@ifalone micah

​@@Vsm_integra mikae

There was a close up shot of the two a few moments earlier. I think its just continuity errors when that happens, because he's covering any editing bases while they're all the way out at the range.

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I cry every time

@@GarandThumb I had a bad bad flinch to begin my range trip yesterday. Still thinking about it lol

Started with a squib once... Definitely flinched.

​​@@GarandThumb Doing the Lord's work by bringing Trans Bullets to God

@@GarandThumbMe too man, me too. I don’t even go to the range, I just cry a lot.

The round is moving at 3100fps, the speed of sound is around 1100-1200fps. Pretty much what you'd expect

Зачем? 5.56 имеет больше плюсов нежели новый калибр,хотя бы в том что боевые действия показали чем больше носимый боекомплект солдата тем больше шансов выиграть бой.

Declined 280 brit, and similar then they basically went back to the same idea 50 years later

​@@WayStedYoumuch better technology now. It makes sense.

​@@WayStedYou if you think this anywhere close to the British 280 then you don't understand guns

Why didn't you stop them adopting that pos tinker toy round?

Just skip level 5-20 and go straight to power armor. We all see where this is going.

@@magnanimus9692annexing Canada?

​@@blue4629they would welcome it at this point

They're going to start issuing personal one man tanks that transformer into little Jets and helicopters.😂😂😂

@@blue4629 "Little America is ours. But let's face it, it always has been".

Honestly, good. The lessons in on-person logistics are too important to have lost.

Well...as an Old Fart 👴 Veteran... I think they oughta just leave " Well Enough " Alone...! I wasn't a Fan when they switched from the .45 caliber 1911 to the NATO 9mm... ( guess they forgot " Why " the .45 1911 was adopted...!?? 🙄 ) , Not to mention , going from the .30 - 06 to the .308 / 7.62 x 51mm...n the M - 16 5.56mm .. Thank God they had the Good Sense ta keep Mr. Brownings' " MA Duce " .50 caliber

@@nelsonlanglois9104 the 45 ACP was invented as a replacement to the Colt 45 which was adopted because it could put cavalry horses down. The DOD switched to 9 mm for ammo commonality within NATO. The M-14 was a failure in Vietnam and lessons were learned from that failure, which resulted in the adoption of the M-16. The 50 MBG "Ma Deuce" is still in service because it does not have to be carried around by an infantry grunt, and there is nothing better to replace it.

​@@nelsonlanglois9104the 45 is far too out dated

Less ammo carrying capacity too. All reasons are why the M16 was adopted which is still a very reliable platform today. If the goal is to match peer threat modern body armor, then I think a logistically better and economic decision is to modernize the AR-10 platform. Contractors won't have to retool, and units won't have to retrain or relearn the weapon system. Either way, I still think that for the reasons above, it would be impractical to put it in the hands of every infantryman, but rather limited adoption for DMRs.

Just came from Reddit to see it

They 100% edited it out. You cant see the person anymore

@@jurpo6yeah I was wondering what everyone was talking about. Not seeing anything

What was it originally?

@@user-xp5id1kh4r a man next to a camera tripod in the cone of fire. It was egregious enough to draw a bunch of comments.

You don’t rent yours?

They'll be in stock soon

You got to be your own.

If they had milk, maybe dad never would've had to step out to grab some at 10 pm...

​​@@FrMehmanI've heard of renting spinning rims, but renting a dad takes the cake as the most hood thing ever!

Yeah wtf

Where the EPM round? 😢😢😢

That's not a fail. Total win, Micah. Charles failed us in not delivering a dumb and dumber whack.

Just a test to make sure we're still watching 40 seconds in...

"Gawdamn Micah" ~ Every RDR2 player, at some point

Wear out barrels lol

​@@12ealDealOfficialthe program requires a barrel life of 9k rounds. SIG Sauers barrel for the m7 is 10k for the military standard

@@12ealDealOfficial tfw no brain

Are civilian rounds not generally higher pressure and velocity because they're not required to perform in as adverse a set of conditions? Commerical .308s, for example, typically run higher, often 25% higher, PSIs. I coincidentally listened to a Hornady podcast episode on .308 this morning. You are right on the bullet construction though TSX is a hunting projectile, they're just copper with no lead. Militaries often use differently constructed bullets, steel core for armour piercing

The 6.8 fury is good . But if every soldier in our military,can't have it then it's worthless. Plus it's not way better than 308. The 120 gr in 308 could do the same thing if loaded correctly

Absolute gold!

Brandishing in Chuck E Cheese FTW

Charlie has elevated the concept of "out of pocket" to an art form

Oohhh, nice call back.

Yes, but you could only get 2600fps out of the old 276 Peterson and its a SR25/Ar10 size case length cartridge with its 125gr projectile. The bullet is usually shorter and less areodynamic and doesnt do well at longer ranges but its not bad for most ranges. 276 Peterson does require a longer heavier barrel to be able to achieve its velocity. The 6.8/.277 SIG Fury round Also has a maximum overall length of 2.83 inches. This means it Also, will load and feed from any 7.62x51mm NATO (.308 Winchester) detachable-box magazine. Its moving a slightly lighter 113 grain bullet at almost 3100fps in full auto. Its also a more modern bullet that is longer nd sleeker and higher BC and has better wind bucking ability at longer ranges. Unfortunately these cant be made to fit in the older longer cases like the 308 and the 276 Peterson. It would be so far back in the case it would be horribly inefficient. That is why all these newer cartridge designs have shorter, fatter cases, and longer slippery bullets doing about the same speed as cartridges of older times. Of course they also increased the case pressure pretty massively on the new steel base/brass sidewalled case to be able to do this in such a short package with a short barrel. Just look at todays cartridges and stand them next to a comparable one of 50-100 yrs ago and you can see it. Today we can get an off the shelf, 6mm ARC, Ar15/M4 with its smaller shorter rifle, much lighter weight to carry, and a much shorter 2.26" max OAL length 6mm arc round, and it can shoot a 103-108 grain at 2800 fps. The weight savings of ammo and rifle alone would be quite huge today. That is what helps armies move as we know via 5.56 all these years. Yes, the Peterson was a fine Ar10/Sr25 2.8" ish length round, but was never adopted in its day 100 yrs ago sadly.

lol I think id rather be dead then know what id feel like after getting hit with that round and having all my ribs implode behind the body armor.

​@@robsp32 either way it's gonna hurt before you die.

Rather have the armor and have a chance vs nothing.

​@@dcptivnah, it's about how you handle it.

@@dcptivdon’t be a Debbie downer

It wasn't even that funny dude. Relax

Only in the state of California

@@dcptivit’s also just straight up facts because not everything that’s manufactured is safe to inhale/consume

Yeah, kind of like a .270.

Veteran: Is that service connected??? VA: NO…

Almost like there is a reason we don't use bare plates in the field and have trauma plate backers.

Welp, all those energy got to go somewhere right?

Not how that works lol. Unless the round is barely being stopped the backface deformation should be minimal, and absent any super huge BFD the worst you’ll have is a bruise. Remember Newton’s third law, it’s only the same force as the recoil, the only reason the bullet kills is because of the surface area. Edit: nevermind just saw the part in the vid. still, a trauma pad would mitigate most of that.

@@jonathanpfeffer3716yeah well, of course you also have to account for the variations in the human body. Everyone will take the shock a bit differently and the context can make a difference too. Those dummies are only a facsimile meant to be a close, but not perfect, representative of an average human subject, too. Depending on a person and their build, even with the trauma plate behind it, there will be a range of performance outcomes depending on where someone is hit and other factors like their size and physique. One guy might get a busted rib despite a plate and vest to absorb and slow the projectile down, another guy might not even get a bruise. It’s not like fricking video games where it’s a fixed value that soaks up a certain amount of damage. Ballistics comparisons are helpful, but real life is always more messy and unpredictable. That’s part of the reason why we don’t aim to create armor that protects our soldiers from every conceivable caliber or combat conditions. We simply make armor that’s just good enough. It might not totally stop you from being injured, but the lives they save still speak for themselves. Even back before body armor became standard military equipment, firearms were still plenty lethal, and still more soldiers died from injuries after battles than they did from fatal wounds. Alongside the development of modern medical science making it much easier to help soldiers who do sustain injury, body armor saves many lives just by being good enough to prevent and mitigate injuries to a degree that people don’t instantly die and have much better chance of surviving to receive care for any injuries they do sustain than they would otherwise. Coming at it from this perspective is necessary too, when you consider that there has to be a balance between the weight, protective capacity, cost, and availability of the armor we choose to deploy. For what it does, modern armor is truly amazing. The same logic applies to their process for developing these next generation weapons. Their goal isn’t to make the most powerful or perfect weapons platforms, it’s to make one’s that will reliably do what work we need them to do while also fitting into our overall strategic designs and capacities, which is why they have so many constraints on the design. They already know exactly what they want to use them for and how they’d like them to be implemented, and the whole point of the design contest process is to determine it’s feasibility and value, in addition to evaluating different designs to find a suitable candidate worth the cost.

Yeah

It was a joke. You have failed.

They probably did it for this comment

@@chrismeandyou Narrator: "It wasnt a joke"

@@chrismeandyou He was probably joking as well..

You have much to learn from earlier videos my friend. Seek them, well worth it

Was your team able to find the guy who did it and return the favor?

Glad you made it back!!!

@@snapdragon6601 Yeah we yeeted a couple of frags in there. I was pushed to the cash and then to Germany. I didn't get back my platoon until almost Christmas. By the time I got back, most of our first squad had been sent home, along with one of track crews. That was one hell of a year

Thank you....ABN 75

Glad you’re still with us

And they already declined 280 british and similar rounds and then went back to basically the same thing will these years later after forcing people to use 5.56

5.56 works they never said it doesn't, but 6.8 has more firepower with controllable recoil. Stagnating is never good.

​@@thesupreme8062why upend the entire arsenal with new proprietary rifles and ammunition when there's plenty of SR25/ KAC M110 pattern rifles with pallets of ammunition capable to 1000yds already in storage? Makes way more sense from a logistics standpoint to issue AR10 pattern rifles with modern magazines and optics 🤷‍♂️ How often is the US military fighting against Lvl4 armor? China and Russia aren't using special plates, rifles or ammo.

​@@WayStedYouit is not the same as the British 280. It is actually significantly more powerful

​​@@SuspiciousGanymede The point being was to have every soldier engage at longer rangeswith more firepower than 5.56 like Afghanistan showed. I think that's why they want this. Ofc military somehow decides this rifle should be a close range beast too. . . I think they will make a carbine version with the round just like m16 later spawned the m4 which replaced the former and making submachine guns almost completely wiped out. They already have a smaller MCX platform they can use the round on.

It’s not a secret that he is on roids

This show was my childhood

There is only one Future Weapons. RIP

Just another chapter in his story...

Future forgotten weapons.

Garand Thumb is great but he can’t be compared to Future Weapons. No tactical whispering, no bald seal, no use of 2000s electronical music, no cool sound effects...

I read this before i heard the joke 😂and was like what

Early on, I pressured Mike to keep Charlie in the mix despite the comments section. I’ve never felt so vindicated.

I popped for that.

@@forestcampbell8962 You did what now?

The mind blowing impact of it would definitely be my last thought.

You would think rather than go to a new caliber just improve current calibers with new propellant and projectiles like you did.

@@stevenhall2408 improvements aren’t sexy. New stuff is. You’re right though.

@@stevenhall2408 They can't, this improvement is because old guns can't handle them. Even guns being made brand new are too weak. Sorry, they are. We've had metals capable of handling much higher pressure for decades but that would require new designs for this higher pressure. Thats why this new rifle is revolutionary: its the first rifle being made for a modern upgraded chamber pressure.

Do you handload the TTSX, if so what powder? I was thinking of developing a lighter load for my 308 with an 18-inch barrel.

Same bro.

Right almost war crimes proformance...i love America

This has the steel base, the pressure should be the same, only the projectiles different.

fucking judge dread rounds

People always think the military runs gear and ammo that is so much superior to what civilians can get their hand on when this couldn't be further from the truth. The fact is the military will often select budget friendly equipment since they have to mass produce it. I say this as veteran who is now a civilian competition shooter. The custom rifles people use, and the ammo they reload are so much more advanced than anything I ever used while active duty. This round is relatively new, but once more civilians get their hands on it, begin tinkering with it figuring out the best loads, it will be far greater than what the military provides. Point being, this round is the exact round the military will likely issue.

@@agonzalez8924 I thought the military .277 was a steel and brass hybrid casing? This is fundamentally different than the civilian rounds, no? I've heard that's how they can achieve upwards of 80-100k psi, which is devastating compared to 60k psi

_tink!_

Valid

Except the .276 Pedersen was loaded with a .284 bullet. .276 was the bore diameter.

Very interesting...so did MacArthur have a head for numbers and was saving dollars in his head?Was the .276 Pedersen more effective in killing the enemy?Would they have changed the LMG'S into .276??I have questions!!

@@wirelessone2986 It would have had a little less recoil, and therefore it would have been a little easier for the average infantryman to hit targets with, but otherwise wouldn't have been any more effective. The only reason .276 Pedersen even existed was because there were no semi-auto rifles suitable for military use that could handle .30-06. The second that it became clear that the Garand could handle .30-06 without a problem, at the cost of only two rounds of magazine capacity, the .276 was dead.

@jic1 Bravo thank you brutha...your description made sense and with the garand able to easily handle .30 06....Wow...it was going to hit the soldiers of the axis powers solidly.

Or the dude down range at 10:24

Yikes.. yeah I keep thinking in some of these videos that one day something's gonna go terribly wrong

@@illegalalien4323you may be seeing a bone but there was 100% a nasty ricochet. Put it in .5 playback speed and you can hear it very clearly.

Read the blog that probably made this rifle happen! iamgermane.blogspot.com/2013/10/replace-m-4m-16-rifle-now.html

​@@PureRushXevus people were raising all kinds of hell about it on other social media I'm sure the GT team is aware of this f up lol. Hopefully we see nothing like this again.

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​@@wisemankugelmemicus1701hahaa autocorrect got me good and hard on that one.

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@@micahmayfieldTop 10 editors of all time

@@micahmayfieldhow many subs to oil up?

Now where all the "too much recoil" gang at 😂

Fr, there’s the people who have no concept of what actual military operations are and think bigger and faster mean better, and then you have the other people who recognize this as a step backwards and completely unnecessary.

Just like the Maginot Line, thanks big army!

@@elterga6224for sure, because infantry are all kitted out exclusively with 50 cals like… or maybe weapon designation is determined based on the expected threats. Just because something is adopted doesn’t mean it’s immediately the favorite 😜

@@It-b-Blair huh?

@@elterga6224you still have the GWOT mentality where shitting out 1000’s of rounds of 5.56 solved problems. We’re shifting away from fighting insurgents and unconventional warfare where volume of fire was priority over accuracy. This platform and round were clearly made with accuracy as the forefront over volume of fire. Add the fancy scope that automatically adjust itself, and you have a very effective platform in the hands of trained individuals. Once these get fielded, it’s up to the army to implement effective training so our guys and gals in OCP know how to use this correctly and effectively. Training will be where the real issue will lie and if the army can successfully implement things.

there just virtue signaling there beleifs, i personally dont care for what random guntubers think on political and social issues. they shoupd keep to what they know best, firearms.

Gay​@@randomsnow6510

@@randomsnow6510just another thing you liberals need to be schooled on quit projecting

I'm NOT a fucking pansy, but really? 🤔 PLA in the Pacific? Though I get the DOUBLE REFERENCE, very poor taste. Positively love reviews on the weapons featured. JUST SAYING 🤔.

@@davidshort7750 Double Reference?

Waiting for the too heavy on the field feedbacks by the soldiers

Might be too heavy, but i doubt the soldiers are going to complain much considering the big firepower increase ​@@simonx760

I mean, it is basically just a less reliable, heavier SCAR made 20 years too late, so that makes sense.

It’s already being fielded by the 101st and is getting very positive feedback

whats the scar treatment?

You already can see it there

@@georgerichards5369 Haha this is gonna be ditched even faster than the SCAR

Though if we do drop it I wonder what would actually replace it. 🤔🤔🤔🤔

@@hypno17freaking nothing bro. They’ll put in a DMR role and stick with the M4.

@@NunyaBesnas That’s their MO. I could them upgrading the M4 to the Sig Spear LT platform though. Gotta keep Sig happy 😂

Yes, as a former teenage gun nut in the 80s, and now still a casual fan, I see nothing but rehash of old designs and calibers. Sure there's been a few innovations here and there,but no matter how many rails amd accessories you put on an AR, it's still a near 60 year old rifle.

I seriously doubt the 277 Fury will go anywhere except maybe as a sniper round. As for infantry, it will fail for the same reasons the M-14 failed. Some people at the top forgot the lessons of Vietnam.

@@PassivePortfolios Viet what? All they know is whoever developed this rifle gave them a vacation in Hawaii, so they got the contract

@@SlearBlaneheart Corruption at the DOD?! Retired generals as lobbyists?! The infantry guys should be evaluating this stuff not the REMFs.

Simply put, it’s new

Just increasingly more unhinged.

@@MiaogisTeasand I’m here for it

His first few appearances he was trying for cringe funny and it came off as obnoxious and distracting, but lately he's been great.

That's called "dying young".

This comment has stolen his ability to age. He is now cursed to watch everyone he ever knows die around him.

Looked like Charlie

👍Range safety

Yeah dude, I saw that too. I know the cam has to start recording RIGHT before the shot so they don't have a 37 TB file but that was WAY too close.

They could have used an acoustic trigger or a least a long wire.

I mean, they did say they were going to be testing it on Charlie 1:00

I came for the guns , stayed for Charlie

Seems like it’ll be a great round with EPR projectiles. I’ve been impressed by the performance of M855A1 and M80A1 so far.

The narrator's asides are distracting.

isnt sig swiss?

They are American?

Except Sig contracts labor and manufacturing to places like India, producing weak parts that fail like the firing pin on P365. I'd trust HK over Sig any day.

@@jbob2447 Sig Sauer is a brand name used by two sister companies based in Germany and the USA. The company, originally based in Germany, was founded in 1976 from a partnership between two other arms companies - Schweizerische Industrie Gesellschaft (SIG) and J.P. Sauer & Sohn of Germany. got this from google

@@Valentin-bn3lu originally Swiss/German yes. But the US branch became more independent in 2007. Just still under the same parent company

What does he mean when he says epm projectile? I know it's the difference between the rounds but what exactly is the difference?

@@gingergoat405 That i actually don't know. I'll have to educate myself on that. I'll let you know what i find.

@astropolski not a problem I'll get on the research myself. :)

🤓 (thanks)

@@gingergoat405 It is a M855A1 type round but made for this new caliber.

I dunno man. The static shock might actually kill a fella.

Yikes.. yeah I keep thinking in some of these videos that one day something's gonna go terribly wrong

yikes

Yeah saw that too. But these mfs have brains, they know what they doin especially Mike. If you train, remember this? “🤘🏼”

@@Jrude22 They have brains, but they clearly dont use them because they shot with a dude down range.

​@m0hz3 If the Swiss can put a shooting range over a highway, then anybody without epilepsy can shoot with a 30 degree safety angle.

Very much waiting for you to get your hands on one of these btw

50+ grains of pistol powder

3300 fps out of 20” barrel, maybe??

20 is king

Where did you get that info?

TL;DR

@@borkwoof696 I had to browse a TON of info on the web then compare it to the official declassified docs such as munition directories (DODIC), the WEG (world equipment guide), and ballistic calculators to approximate the performance of such a round. This is why I said its PRELIMINARY info.

This thing is gonna recoil so hard weigh so much and eat barrels so fast it will be a bust.

Definitely a violent and capable cartridge. Hopefully we still have enough guys to be able to carry the M7 since Biden purged the military of all "maga extremists". That's code for getting rid of all the people who love their country and don't color their hair with Kool aid".

even handgun rounds stopped by armor can break ribs.

@@SoloRenegade Level 4 does a pretty good job at preventing bone breaking from handgun rounds, so I have been told

@@mojothemigo Do you know how it does that? Must have some special layers that shock absorbs or displaces a lot of mass from teh plate itself.

@@SoloRenegade That plate is pretty thick and tough. You might be right, but I have read lvl 4 does mighty good against broken bones from handgun calibers

@@mojothemigo I only ever used level 2 and 3 AP in combat. never used level 4 personally, so I don't know much about it.

Its 13" but I think the design itself includes suppresor which ads few inches and gets you the velocity it has. Not sure thou, I think I heard it somewhere

They use fast burning powder and utterly mental pressures to get the speed. Which is also why the cases are partly made of stainless steel, a fully brass case would not be able to handle the stress.

Yea just imagine if they made a 20" or even a 25" barrel for it. US: hey so we got this neat new gun, wanna see the ballistics? [Insert non american country here]: sure M7 with 25" barrel: fires a 113 grain bullet at mach fuck [Inser non american country here]: *automatically becomes US ally*

@@RandomIowanGuyTotally. It’s one of those, “All US non allies have left the chat….” 🤣🤣🤣 As an American, I love this country. I’m so happy our military is the best on the planet that we go by the doctrine of overmatch. This round and the rifle it’s coming from over matches everyone and will likely be the new M1 grand, which perhaps was the finest weapon designed in the history of warfare. (Per Patton.) This could be our new M1 grand if that makes sense.

​@@nerd1000ify The price for the high pressure round is a little over $20.00 per round.