We Watched The Legend of Korra For The FIRST Time… 

God damn it, that’s so far ahead… wish I could join y’all over there.

@@nuclearbirdssame but Patreon isn’t available in my country

We also have our videos available to all RU-vid members as well 😁@@Stan13y

I just want to say, the reasons people have for why they don't like this show as much as ATLA, are mostly justified. There are A LOT of things about this show worthy of criticism and which lead to the show being lesser in writing, storytelling, character writing, etc. than its predicessor. THAT BEING SAID, Legend of Korra is NOT a bad show. It's okay, and even good at times, but it just doesn't measure up to the greatness of ATLA. I still recommend people watch it, and I'm sure you guys will enjoy it, but try to be understanding of why people have the opinions of this show that they do, as they're not without merit. Those who call it 1 star garbage though, can be ignored, they're over-exaggerating. Let me put it this way. If Avatar the Last Airbender is a perfect 10/10, Korra's more like a 6 or 7 out of 10. Not a bad show, just not as good as what came before. (Season 2 is the worst season by far though, as it breaks the spiritualist worldbuilding of ATLA almost entirely.)

hope you'll enjoy the finale, then! ❤️

Also that Aang was a person who never wanted to be the Avatar in a world that desperately need him to be. Korea is an Avatar who needs to learn how to be a person in a world that doesn't want her.

I decided to read up a little on reincarnation as well, and I don't claim to be an expert; but it essentially said that you are reincarnated into whatever you lacked in the previous life. Aang avoided conflict and needed to learn to stand his ground more. Korra is obviously the opposite of that and needed to incorporate more Aang style. It goes back to the universe constantly trying to balance. Now I'm not sure if I can make an argument about that Avatar to Avatar (still trying to figure out what Aang had that Roku lacked as they seemed similar to me), but I also liked looking at it when comparing each elemental Avatar. Avatar Kuruk was go with the flow (as he said) and didn't really seem insert himself into conflict whereas Korra is the opposite. Avatar Yangchen was apparently not as spiritually respectful and did care more about the world than one would expect of an Airbender (which plays into the advice she gave Aang) where Aang was the opposite of that. Idk if any of this is relevant but still found it interesting!

@@bananies12Which begs the question of what the new Earth avatar will be like. I guess if we look at the things Korra and Aang have in common, they’re both fairly optimistic (at least at first) and enjoy having fun and playing. Maybe the Earth avatar is a very serious Lin or Percy Weasley type who needs to let go. Edit: I have a feeling they’ll be very into history and reading, out of necessity (not saying why here.)

​@@PelafinaLievrethey also might be a poor bender compared to Korra's ability with the first three, aside from air of course.

​@@PelafinaLievreI feel like we're gonna get a flirty or "cool kid" type of avatar like Aang got along with people well because of his approachable nature, I felt like Korra was more socially awkward because she didn't grow up in the city and was training her whole life kinda So maybe the earth avatar would be more of a cool kid or bully(I'm just throwing personalities out there I would see an earth bender having)

Yeah.

That is a bad analogy, learning to be more mature is essential to becoming The Avatar

Spoilers I don't think she ever learned

@@BonfireAKAGhostsaltchannel The idea was that Korra spent the majority of her life as "the Avatar." She was secluded from the rest of the world and only had teachers as her friends growing up. I don't want spoil more of her upbringing in case the guys didn't get to certain points yet. However, look at the scene with her getting food. She's used to just getting things because of what she was born as. She was proud to be an Avatar and the series, for the most part, is about her relating to the rest of the world (again, trying not to spoil things).

@@BonfireAKAGhostsaltchannel It's a good analogy. Learning to be "mature" however, is some vague nonsense that doesn't actually explain her character arc. Most of her issues stem directly from her status as the avatar in a different world from Aang's.

I actually just view them both as growing into the mature young people thay are meant to be, but that doesn't make for a snappy post, now does it, lol? To me, Korra's mind set at the start kind of felt like a kid getting a fancy quirk in MHA, they start with the childish notion of what it means to be a hero until they experience and learn all that it is, and grow to live up to it in their own way. Aang was different because he didn't revel in that power, he was afraid of that responsibility, also holding the basic views of what it means to be the Avatar. He slowly found his calling to help people, took up the responsibility, matured, and discovered his own path. Different starting points, same destination of growing into their own, and thus becoming the Avatars they were meant to be.

Yeah he met Bumi as a kid in Omashu before the 100 year ice nap, and also had a Firenation friend named Kuzon, hotman.

@@KillerChicknAnd he DEFINITELY would've met waterbenders-he'd been to the South Pole before, because he'd been penguin sledding. He probably just hadn't been to Katara's village, or assumed it was another because it looked so different after a hundred years (there were other villages in the past so it would make sense). Especially because his home temple was the Southern Air Temple, which is closest TO the South Pole.

Technically, he didn't live before the war because the war would begin with Fire Lord Sozin when he went against Avatar Roku's wishes. But Aang did live in the early stages of the war before complete segregation. Don't forget that Aang himself said that he had friends in the Fire Nation before he froze himself.

@@TheHeroClass the brief occupation of Earth Kingdom colonies was kind of separate from the war. It is true the real war preparations were able to proceed after Roku’s death but the invasions didn’t actually start until the comet, by which point Aang was frozen.

Exactly!

Hope Netflix does live action Korra too, so we can see pro bending in real life too.

How is Tenzin named after Gyatso?

​​@@TysurgemehTenzin is his first name! Tenzin Gyatso, monk is his title

​@@MandieatsTenzin Gyatso is also the name of the Dalai Lama

@@Mandieats I think your a little off with that. Both names come from the current real world Dali Lama whose first name is Tenzin and last name is Gyatso.

THANK YOU! I got so bothered when they got that soo wrong.

Same, I knew someone would have jumped on this. Thank you 👏

The opposite of all other avatars

​@@hasicazulatv2078 well tbf that was said all the way back in book 1 of last airbender so it's easy to forget bits like that

Exactly also if aang escaped from the firenation his reaction wouldnt make much sense when he found his Airtemple dead

These guys seem to miss the point a lot 😂

Always amazes me the Aang doesn’t catch *way* more flack for that from fans. Rejecting his responsibility directly leads to the fire nation becoming so powerful and, what, a century of suffering for a sizeable chunk of the world? Sure it’s an understandable reaction on his part but, well let’s just say if Korra did that you’d never hear the end of it.

@smiddlehurst1 yes but he still a kid. People forget that very often. Normally they had to wait until he had is 16th birthday to reveal he is the avatar. Also its very hard to leave you family and cultur to go on a journey alone and to learn the elements ESPECIALLY for a 12 year old boy. Its practically turning a kid into a soldier. Was he Egotistic? yes, is it understandable? F yes, Was this probably the best outcome for aang to save the world? Yes cuz he would have died if he didnt run away, even if went already to a journey of finding his masters he would be still be followed which makes him IMPOSSIBLE to stay in one place. Roku had years to train cuz he had the luxury....aang didnt have that and it doesnt matter how you bend it: -If he stayed: he died. If went on a journey: he couldnt learn properly the elements cuz he gets chased. It was destiny that the things had to go this way

@@smiddlehurst1lol I think you’re forgetting the fact that Aang would have probably been killed along with the rest of the Air Nomads (the storm episode) so it was destined. I don’t think Aang could have defeated them all especially with the Comet making the fire nation so powerful. It wasn’t his fault

Aww, Tenzin: The Last Airbender. That is sad.

My sister found out she was pregnant with her first about 10 weeks after our dad died. I really relate to the sorrow in Tenzin's demeanor. It's horrible to know someone just missed being a grandparent and you're reminded of it everytime you see the child.

I prefer it this way if you are from America, america film industry teach a way to show/digest shows which I HATE so much because there a good intro - filler - and end that is always a cliff hanger for the next episode and if you look @ this across every spectrum of a show you can basically watch the beginnig and end go to next episode and not have missed a single detail it really sucks because its all $$$$$$ and not really about compelling stories so self contained worked much better.

Minor clarification that seasons 3 and 4 were greenl8t together (which Nickelodeon then kinda walked back partway through season 4, leading to an entirely different problem)

Even so, I think they did continue Korra’s character growth throughout the seasons.

​@@PelafinaLievreif by continue, you mean they reset her growth every season, then yes

@@HExtraordinaire No. She was a different person even from beginning Season 3 compared to Season 1. Season 4 had a completely different Korra as well.

That just made me realize that it’s probably easier to find out if your wife cheated based on what element the kid bends

​@@SerratedSun5841but it could be from your ancestor like katara who got water bending from her ancestors not her parents

@@SerratedSun5841 to be fair neither of her parent are benders right b

In Korra’s time, interracial families were only just starting to pop up. A byproduct of the war and Republic City. So for a while at least, there was going to be that “is our kid the Avatar or did you cheat on me” question. I imagine as time goes on, dormant bending could just pop up even if your parents are of a different nationality.

@@PelafinaLievre heck there was a firebender married to an earthbender in Aang and Zuko’s era that we meet in the comics. I think it’s the Promise where they’re introduced but I can’t remember

Yes; thank you.

No

I agree but we know how some of the so called "Fans" are when you like something they don't like things can get pretty ugly

Reminder that you can also compare two stories set in the same universe.

Korra better not be cannon

Well said.

i mean, despite all that the series holds up pretty good. books 2-4 flow into each other nicely and unless you’re actively looking for issues in every episode, it’s a pretty solid show from start to finish. TLoK definitely didn’t deserve all the hate it got

​@@TheeWandaStanYea they do flow into eachother but season one had the best writing. And obviously just didn't flow as well into season 2. And idk why the writer's went super hard on romance the love trinagle/sqaure/string whatever it's called was very awkward. But besides that I enjoyed it for the most part. I hope we can see the next Avatar one day and see how they learned and hopefully there allowed to do what they want.

The SINGLE BIGGEST issue is when Book 2 introduces its new backstory for the Avatar universe, with basically every single element of it diminishing something from the original series to a major degree, it retroactively makes ATLA worse. Everything after Book 2 builds on this new lore, so you can't even cut it out to replace with something better without also having to retcon the near entirety of books 3 and 4. I can forgive every other bit of bad writing in Korra, but I personally can't bring myself to watch past Book 1, it just isn't the same universe afterward.

@@Cri_Jackal nothing was retconned. the events of wan’s era happened 10 thousand years prior to atla/lok. lion turtles granted the ability to bend but people actually learned bending forms from animals like the dragons, bison etc. they even showed wan doing the dancing dragon during his training they just went more into depth about how people got bending and how the four nations started out

Especially if you consider the advantages of the different benders working together after peace was established and the city was founded. That place has to be a melting pot.

I always find it insane when people complain about it. Even ignoring stuff like Japans rapid industrialisation compare the US of 1900 to the US of 1970 and tell me this kind of jump in technology isn’t possible

@@jonasquinn7977 Japan benefited from already having the tech and just having to adopt it, in just 70 years in the Avatar universe, Cars, Radios, Planes and electrical lighting have all been invented despite the fact that none of this tech previously was even hinted at. Fire nation ships ran on coal and steam, the fire nation was the exception to the others and managed to have a great amount of tech. The fire nation was the peak of tech, airships were a recent invention. So how does a world ravaged by war, that hasn't moved an inch in 100 years (we see that tech has stagnated greatly as the first fire lord had similar tech), where only a single nation has seen any innovation at all, and is based on Asian culture, transform into early 1900s America? Reminder: fire benders likely aided in the production of metal and the manipulation of fire to create these ironclad steam vessels, which might I add bare little resemblance to the first American ironclad ships. This explains why the fire nation might be ahead in this area.

@@ChRiAn0815 It makes no sense

Your wrong, simply having iron ships does not mean your tech is 1860s level, they have no advanced technology other than steam tech. Fire benders have metal ships because they were able to manipulate fire to process ore. Notice how only fire benders use metal ships. They have no other technology that we would associate with the 1860s era of tech and otherwise live in feudal conditions.

My favorite part of real world technology is that once we managed to properly harness electricity in the late 1800s, the world basically modernized in like 40 years. No time at all. Went from 0 homes with electric to half of homes with electric in less than a lifetime. You could take someone from 1980, pre-digital era, and put them in 1910 and they would still be able to use most devices as they were electrically powered and analog for a century. The digital era is probably the biggest change the world has experienced since the 1800s when electricity surpassed steam.

Also the fact that there used to be people who grew up using horses for transport and then they ended up switching to cars. You would be like 20 seeing hundreds of horse drawn buggies on the road and then by the time you were 45 you would only see cars.

I think the one about Zuko's mom is called "The Search" if i recall correctly. I got it for my dad but haven't read it yet. "The Promise" takes place just before that I think

@silentassason no you're right. It's called the Search.

"that one monk"

@@Gipwx I am lazy and didn't wanna search how to write his name

@@ganimedes1046gyatso in general alpha terms GYAT so

If only they weren't reduced to your usual "villain of the week" kinda of the deal. Which makes their arcs feel rushed.

​@@cristianovogt5586Sadly they only got contracts for 1 season at the time so they had less time to flesh them out. I really wish Nickelodeon gave them like a 3 or 4 season contract from the start so they had more to work with

@@cristianovogt5586 Shows like Ben 10 and Teen Titans do that. Why is it such a big deal here?

@@ashhabimran239 Because Ben 10 and teen titans have an episodic format, which works best for “villain of the week”. The original series and Korra have a serialized format, which is supposed have a storyline(s) spanning thru multiple seasons or whatnot. From what I remember and understand, the Legend of Korra creators were never sure if the show would get renewed *each* season, so they had to use “one-off” villains each time.

​@@cristianovogt5586I disagree with you

"Think Korra, think!"

Anyone else notice that J.K. Simmons only ever seems to play animated characters who have very noticeable facial hair.

"You serious?!"

I liked most of the Korra seasons better than Season 1 of avatar tbh. Not to say Season 1 was bad, it just felt rather filler-ish compared to the rest.

Season 4 is my least favorite honestly

Yup once I lowered my expectations I enjoyed the show a lot more.

There are moments where it generally surpasses the original, especially the villains, but A:TLA purists wouldn't dare admit that: Fire > Change > Earth > Balance > Air > Water > Spirits

Season 4 was for me the weakest ngl, but I'll agree that at times this show managed to match the greatness of ATLA (Especially on season 3, hands down a 10/10 season)

I had the exact same cursed thought of "Foggy Swamp Avatar" during their conversation lol

Give or take the problems with season 2, but those are understandable considering the whole, "Surprise! We want another season of that thing you thought was done! Also on short notice!" thing

@@CarbonMage Actually the season 2 isn't as bad as people want to describe it. They tend to forget that not every episode was great in ATLA too and it's a bit sad, both series are very nice, but it's also different.

@novastarburst3939 sure, though Korra herself is pretty rough in the first few episodes in particular. It gets a lot better once that certain two-parter hits

​@@CarbonMageespecially since Season 1 was originally meant to be the entire 2-3 season show that was cut down to a 24 episode season that was then in the middle of production cut again to 12. They literally had to make something up in under a year (I'm willing to bet that most of Korra's storyline is what was supposed to be for the Earth Avatar that was re-written to fit Korra's time period)

I don't see how seeing the effects of the main Avatar:TLA characters makes the show good. Also, I'm getting conflicting stories. You are saying that it's good because we see how the first series is relevant to this series, while someone else is saying that people should ignore TLA completely and only see this as being set within the Avatar universe.

I worded that wrong entirely my bad. I meant to say that’s something I liked such as how we got to see how much of an impact metal bending has made thanks to Toph, but your right tho

Having to view it as completely separate from its own history is bad writing. I'm not against having a good experience with something, let alone this show, but we should see the good and bad quality in every story.

Most love korra the most in LOK because honestly there are no great side characters! Like the team avatar of LOK is so weak in terms of character personality compared to the team avatar in ATLA!

@@DriftingMaze So just Team Korra (Mako, Bolin, etc.) or all the side characters (Tenzin, Lin, etc.)?

The Korra villains are so much better than Ozai and at least more interesting on the whole than Azula. ATLA’s villains were kind of cartoonishly evil, even if Azula has reasons for ending up crazy. Korra’s villains might be evil but they have an ethos.

@PelafinaLievre ATLA was a cartoon, and meant for kids. Even if it wasn't, being cartoonishly evil doesn't make someone a bad villain.

Nice

It lost the poll to continue it

@@sortastupid☹️☹️☹️

Thankfully, there are handful of video essays out there defending it against the negative ones, and nearly every reactor I've seen who's reacted to it loved just like they loved the original show

It feels very refreshing to see someone separating their opinions and feelings from objective quality outside of MauLer. It's so rare nowadays, and I have to thank you for doing this. You're doing well. Don't stop.

@@addison_v_ertisement1678Absolutely! I kinda train myself to think this way. Otherwise, it could paint me as someone complaining for the sake of complaining without validity.

chill, people just telling their opinion, no one oppressing them about anything, of course everyone is free to decide

Your entire argument hinges on issues in shows, such as bad writing, poor voice acting, etc. are all just opinions. No, plot holes, emotionless acting, plot contrivences, etc. will continue to exist despite *subjective* opinions on *objective* quality. Then again, I can already tell that the people you are quoting are also using their own emotions and feelings instead of being critical, so I guess you're actually arguing that other people's opinions and feelings shouldn't determine someone else's.

@MaeRose26 I disagree with the middle part of your paragraph... depending on what you mean by "what other people think." If you only mean to ignore what people *feel* about it, that's fine, but watching a critique in order to gage the objective quality of a show/movie is pretty much always good (as long as the critique is actually a critique and not someone talking about their emotional reaction and ignoring basic writing.)

@@addison_v_ertisement1678Personally, I disagree. Most of the times, critics have a narrow view of things and get uncomfortable when something strays from what they personally enjoy. Look how many movies that people enjoy had such poor critical ratings on things like Rotten Tomatoes. I always tell people "If you want to enjoy something, stay away from the fanbase". Fans don't know how to keep their opinions to themselves and HAVE to shove their opinions down everyone's throat (case and point, you should see the Pearl fans clog up the comment section of SU reactions). Many critics out there will say the Star Trek reboot movies were terrible, but I actually enjoyed the first two. Many critics will say Attack on Titan is one of the greatest anime of the past decade, if not one of the best of all time, but I consider it a 6/10, as overrated as DBZ. I thought The Walking Dead was the most overrated TV show out there. I actually liked the remake of The Producers (with Matthew Broderick) more than the OG (with Gene Wilder). In the end, trying to form an opinion based upon someone else's shows lack of personal, individual critical analysis and leads to a lot of people parroting talking points while contributing little to no value and substance in a discussion (example: 99% of "discourse" on Twitter, lol). There is no *objective* quality of something in the arts, outside of elements that aren't artistic (ie: bugs in video games, because programming is not an art, but a science). Saying something in art is "objective" is bringing back the reason why WindWaker was so hated when it was first shown to us and, yet, has grown to become one of the most beloved Zelda games ever... because saying something is objective is saying it needs to follow rules and guidelines and standards and art transcends such superficial boundaries.

@@ultrahotwings9738 The reasons why critics like Rotten Tomatoes and IGN don't know what they're talking about is because they rely on amateur people who don't even know how to be critics. If you want a good critic that gives fair critique, watch MauLer.

I haven't seen any evidence of people hating it for that reason.

I think most people hate on korra because of the absurd romance drama it has.... seriously if they had just taken out the romance in korra the show would have been much better!

That's a huge strawman lol. People hate it because of the bad writing.

Agreed. It's the stubborn whining that it's not just The Last Airbender 2.0

Yeah, he was running away because he didn't want to loose his old life, and to be separated from Gyatso. They never mentionned anybody chasing him the day he flew away.

Some people critique the tech advancing "too quickly" but personally I think radios and cars is a completely fine progression from Avatar's tanks and airships. I think the only new tech that really bothers me are those... you know the thing Sato makes and wears.

I don’t know, it’s more like from the 1890’s to the 1920’s. There were already tanks and Zeppelins and steam ships and other things in Aang’s time, and bending would help with scientific discovery once the ball got rolling. The early 1900’s was practically the same as it had been for centuries in a lot of places, but then technology started advancing at an extremely rapid pace.

they're already at season 4 at this point .