My husbands uncle went down on the Titanic. He was actually a hero saving people help them in lifesaving boat. Went to save another person never came back. He was on his honeymoon his wife survived.
Peter Palmer when you are death you are equal yes but not for the rich people who are alive. There wouldn’t exist first and third class. The rich get the best the poor is nothing!
mel b. - what really matters is where you spend eternity, the physical body is just a shell, decays, returning to dust; its the soul that lives forever either in heaven or hell depending on your status with God
A good man. And I think that’s how he wanted to be remembered, not for his wealth but for his character. Everyone knew who he was he could have promised anyone the moon and survived if he wanted but he chose to save other people. A rare breed of good and decent gentleman. This toast is for John Jacob Astor.
That can only mean that he was an incredibly kind, generous, and selfless person. Being the richest man on the Titanic instantly assured him a spot in a life boat, that means he let others pass before him, because even some of the male crew members survived and the richest man did not...that tells you a lot.
@@billybollox5216 he asked if he could go with his pregnant wife to take care of her. When he was told no, he asked for the number of the lifeboat so that he could find her later. He, like many others, didn't think that the ship would actually sink. There are also reports that he was going to the final lifeboat but gave his seat to children.
I learned recently JJA and I share ancestors. His mother's maiden name was Schermerhorn. My great, great grandmother was a Schermerhorn. Dutch people living in NY. The mutual ancestor arrived in U.S. 1643. He was 14 years old. Interesting family history. I highly recommend people to learn about their roots. It's so fascinating!
@@unspokenmajority3469 really! But I thought aster was the richest on the Titanic, how would jja be a billionaire today and this father be worth trillionaire
When posters talk about wealth, don't forget to take into account inflation. One dollar in 1912 was the equivalent to $27.43 today. So if Astor had $2000 on him when he died, that's almost $55,000 today.
The inflation formula is very misleading. It compares the current year only to the previous year. So $1 in 1912 is way more than $27.43 in today's money.
Not exactly equal consequences... Millionnaires were send for slaughter with others to stop resistance to British invasion of USA economy & politics. FDA may not have taken power and indepted USA for life.
The only thing that matters in the end is are you saved and where will you spend eternity! Jesus is the ONLY WAY the TRUTH and the LIFE! Romans 10:9-10 KJV That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth that Jesus is Lord and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised Him from the dead- Thou shalt be saved! Rapture of the Church is imminent!!!
I doubt for one minute that He wasn't generous it seems his character and intergrity followed him. It just came naturally for him to give his seat in a life boat to another. May his soul rest in peace.🙏🙏
My family didn’t know each other but my mothers great grandparents survived. My fathers great grandfather decided to go later so he could buy horses. He sent his luggage and assistant who perished. The whole history of Titanic is fascinating.
Hear hear! Looks like his preschool kid made it for him out of construction paper and stuck it on w/paste. The "actors" walking in front of the blown up pictures were more fake than a 1950's B picture; I'm pretty sure even Ed Wood could have done better.
Their acting skills were atrocious if thats what your saying the costumes were suitable not quite period entirely but they worked in the larger sense...
130 of the first-class passengers died during the sinking of the ship. The second-class passengers lost 166 people. Third-class passengers accounted for the largest loss of life among the passengers with 536. The ship’s crew suffered the most, losing over three-fourths of their numbers with 685 casualties.
You all are pretty wrong when u say « all equal in death »... in fact most of survivors in safty boats were rich people. Most women and child but rich. The pourcentage of poor people compare to rich people who died this night is way higher. Prooves even front of death people are not equal at all. Same during war same during epidemy same during nature catastroph...
The Titanic had two 4-cylinder triple expansion reciprocating engines to drive the port and starboard props and a single turbine to drive the center prop.
I only just learned there was a fire in engine room burning for days. I find it wholey suspicious. j p morgan was meant to board too but cancelled last minute. his rivals were taken out in one fell swoop
Whenever I hear the name John Jacob, I immediately think: "John Jacob Jingleheimer Schmidt, his name is my name too. Whenever we go out, the people always shout, John Jacob Jingleheimer Schmidt" I don't know why ... I just do 😧
mel b. - it really doesn’t matter how good you were in life, what matters is are you saved with Jesus Christ as your Savior? We only get this free gift of salvation while still living, the choice is ours to make, after physical death it’s too late to make things right with God. Our soul lives on forever, spending eternity with God in heaven or spending it in Hell with Satan IF you didn’t accept Jesus as your savior
@@melb.1906 Most will be forgotten ultimately. Like they were never here at all. It is exceptionally rare to leave any kind of permanent impression past living memory.
@@jolenaagapisou3803 Sorry I am only reading this now, 2 years later but you are so right. We need to be ready to meet our end. Knowing Jesus , we have nothing to fear.
How silly.....Just don't sail across the north Atlantic....ice bergs, you know.Perhaps the best cruise for you would be to the Caribbean.If your ship sank you'd be in warmer waters. You could tread a bitbefore being torn apart by blood thirsty sharks.All fears departed now?
Very nice. Now make a mini-documentary featuring all the friends and associates of J.P. Morgan and his minions who cancelled their reservations in first class just a matter of DAYS before the "Titanic's" Maiden Voyage.
like all crimes theres a lot of motive. JP morgans rivals were all on this boat. he destroyed his competition. probably got a nice insurance payout as a cherry on top, seeing as it was Morgan that owned the titanic through one of his businesses. J P always seemed like a ruthless business man and this is in an age that had less rules. it's the same as its always been in that regard. violence wins, not the good guys like you see in the movies
John Jacob Astor was a modern day Donald Trump. One of his hotels in Manhattan is right beside the Peninsula Hotel where I was in NY and they have a big painting of him in the hallway saying that JJ Astor was the man who built it... I have a lot of respect for this man because he helped save others when the Titanic was sinking and didn't try to use his wealth to save himself like many others would have
2:33 - > Am I the only one who heard this: "Titanic left New York in April 1912..." The ship never departed from New York, and never arrived there. The ship departed from Southampton, England.
Not borrowed from the movie. That was a very chic and popular styled at the time. Women of money would dress for each occasion sometimes switching their look betwen 6-8x per day....
I was extremely i mpressed with the wardrobe from the movie absolute perfection. I know that most if not all of Kate Winslets costumes were actual period pieces
I think it's fair to say we all end up the same way regardless of wealth - nobody is bigger than death, but saying that riches had nothing to do with whether you survived or not is a bit inaccurate when you look at the survival rate of 1st class passengers vs. 2nd and 3rd class passengers.
You realize thats because 1st class was up top by the lifeboats and 3rd class was at the bottom of the ship right? You are acting like they picked people by how much money they had. It was women and children first. Many 3rd class passengers never made it up or made it up so late the boats were full. You are ignorant and really stupid.
Who cares about the millonaires and their money. Going on the class system, so many stearage passengers were left to drown. They had to stay below untill first class were taken care of.
+Harolyn Allison If not for the Millionaires and their money, we would not have industries, jobs, an economy. You would be planting and growing vegetables to feed you family. Because of the "RICH" someone is growing them for you. Don't mock thee rich hypocrite. I am sure you would love to be one.
+Edwin Rivera What are you? An "appeaser" and sycophant (suck up) of the 1%? You're blind. 5% of the most wealthy now own 95% of the wealth in the U.S. Income inequality has never been this horribly skewed. Get out and actually "grow" your own vegetables. You'd better learn now. You may be forced to. And of course we'd have industries and more jobs if the rest of the country had more of the wealth = more opportunity for more businesses and jobs. Mega-industries and few huge corps. with little competition is the worst possible situation. And it's the poor growing and harvesting your veggies etc... not some "rich" douchebag. They underpay those poor to do it for them and their own profit. They don't do it for you or anyone else. You're fooling yourself. And if you are in favor of a class system, what Harolyn was talking about in the first place, then you're "supposed to be" in the "wrong country", the U.S.... unfortunately it's not so much at all anymore so that wealth is more evenly spread among the population with a robust middle "class." At this point sadly those days are long gone.
+Harolyn Allison Actually they were kept below so as not to storm the boats and behave like beasts. All the blame for deaths go to those who decided to carry less lifeboats when the ship was designed to carry enough for all!
It's very interesting in who survived and who didn't. Men in second class had an 8% survival rate, as low as it gets, lower than 3rd class. Then you see only 50% of 3rd class children lived. More male crew survived than male passengers and female crew had a 91% chance of survival. The crew knew to get their butts on those boats and STILL they weren't filled to capacity. They were basically a little over half full and only started loading people 30 minutes after firing rockets which was an hours after impact. They never even loaded 2 of them, one only had 12! It was supposed to have 12 more boats but they thought that would add clutter. Nearly all passengers could be saved with the 20 it had, with 12 more possibly 600 more could be saved. They got more people off the rolling Lusitania in 18 minutes than Titanic could get off in 7x that amount of time. Crazy.
My great grandfather Albert Horswill was a Titanic survivor. His lifeboat only had 12 people on it and it held 40. He was a crewman ordered into lifeboat one by Officer Murdoch, the Duff Gordons were also on his lifeboat and were falsely accused of bribing Albert and others to not return to pick up passengers in the sea. This was an outright lie, just like the narrative that these lifeboats were under filled because of crew incompetence. His lifeboat, the one with 12, was blocking the larger lifeboats that held 65 instead of 40. It was also on the less populated starboard side where passengers did not believe the ship was in danger and refused to board. Murdoch thought it was better to lower the lifeboat away with 5 first class passengers and seven nearby crewmen as opposed to lowering it away with NO ONE.
he had $2,500 dollars with him on that last night . Can you imagine that much money in those years? when you could buy something for a cent or half a cent. my mother was telling us...
John Jacob Astor didn't just have 2500 bucks on him. He had 3 different currencies on him. He had $2500 USD, $2000 UK pounds, along with some other currency. They also found a huge diamond ring on him, gold belt buckle, gold money clip, and a diamond stick pen for his tie. The dude was literally ballin' while he floated lifelessly in the ocean.
None of that mattered when he died, and none of it saved him from death. None of it will be of any use to him after he died too. Interesting how life is
It's true that many of the first class passengers survived, but there were FAR fewer first class passengers than there were second and third class, and in addition to "women and children first," they naturally loaded the lifeboats starting with first class, followed by the others. Also consider that a lot of 2nd and 3rd class people DID survive, and yet Astor, Gugenheim, etc, with all their money and power, had to await their deaths, simply because women/children got priority. Gender equality?
While Bruce Ismay managed to live a good life after the incident. He didn't donate even a single cent of his millions for the families of his unsinkable ship victims.
The Titanic was sailing westward so never reached New York. Her maiden voyage was from Belfast calling at Southampton and Queenstown. She had fire in her coal bunkers all the way and this is thought to have weakened some of the watertight bulkheads and exterior steel plating.
The first conspiracy of the 1900's. Funny how good ol JP got off just in time. Funny how JJA was against the FED and could have shut it down. Jesuit captain went down with his ship tho, but they did plant explosives in case he changed his mind.
+Mark Dykstra I over the years have read from several sources that the ship was already damaged when it took off...that the sinking was planned because of some of the notable people on it. Google it.
I remember his character in the movie. I guess they didnt have children, or maybe they did, but he put his wife and children in the boat saying Ill see you in the morning to comfort them.
Astor has 2 children from his 19 year marriage and a pregnant 18 year old bride- only the unborn son was on the Titanic . Mrs. Astor got in the lifeboat with her maid and nurse while pregnant with his second son “ Jakey”!
It's sad to think that in 1912, $1 million dollars was truly a lot of money. In 2012 and until now, it's enough to buy a house, and not necessarily in an upper-middle class or wealthy neighborhood, either.
They said the ship was unsinkable, they forget who created that great wide deep ocean. Nothing man make in this world, can compare with God!s mighty power.
I find it interesting when Rose's fiance said not even God could sink this ship, but before he could finish the sentence was inter interrupted. He was an imaginable SOB alright! I LMBO 😂 when Rose called him out on that comment!
The designers only said it was PRACTICALLY UNSINKABLE it was the press that endlessly stated it was absolutely unsinkable thus lulling everybody into a false sense of security.
She didn't keep it long cause she had to give it up to remarry. Her Astor son got screwed out of millions cause his old man was so eager to get out of the country he didn't remake his will and the older son got the bulk of the money. She remarried twice, had two sons with the second husband and had crap beat out of her frequently by the third, an Italian boxer who was married when they met.
Erm the titanic was headed to New York never arrived. Their money means nothing, we are born with nothing we die with nothing. What ya lost. NOTHING. ! (Monty)
