Why did they change her fighting style so much in the new volumes? She used to have such a distinct fighting style - kind of like a fusion between fencing, ice skating, and she just exuded elegance and grace. It embodied her character and personality so well; wanting to show other she can hold her own and can fight good - usually only using her semblance and dust to make it easier for her or others to fight. But now she practically only uses her rapier as a magic wand to summons things whilst just standing there..
My favorite fight is her dancing around a fucking chainsaw. Like, dude, that is so damn badass and she would've won if her time dilation didn't fuck up.
She went from a magical rapier mage that had access to all the elements into a elden ring scrub trying to summon her ash of war no matter what's happening
She was losing those fights though.... Only Yang and Blake have great hand to hand combat skills and great defensive fighters. Ruby and Weiss are great offensively but in trouble if you get close to them.
@@liqqidsurgegaming2970 Her elegant movements fit her much better imo. I don't mind that they're pushing her to be a dustslinger type character now but where did here graceful, dance-like evasion moves go?
@@rao668 but none of the others actually lost any type of abilities. They still fight the same. If anything, everyone isn’t as flashy when it comes to fighting since Monty passed (which was okay) - but to completely forget a characters abilities and potential all of a sudden doesn’t make any sense. They just dropped her “magic”
@@montyl.8232 Weiss only ever used time dilation two times, both in Volume 2, only one of which was on herself. It's not like it was a staple of her character even during the Monty era. Also, Ruby lost the ability to hit people with her scythe.
I like her early fighting style. It’s like she’s dancing with her opponent, like a ballet routine. It’s very graceful and elegant. In any action series, developing a character’s fighting style is important, it speaks to said character’s personality.
Weiss's fighting style is probably my favorite out of Team RWBY for its sheer elegance and versatility. Too bad she tends to use Myrtenaster exclusively as a pointy metal wand these days.
Or obsess over summing even when her enemy is five inches Infront of her and it takes her a good minuet to pop out out. Yeah or girl got robed, she used to use her rapier as well a rapier. I get her using as a wand in fights like the queen lancer one but in fights like her one angest the spring madden it made little to no sense as she was dealing with close corters and surprise and surprise a rapiers fighting style is close corters.
@@mst201 I'm... not sure you understand what a choreographer actually is. Obviously they still have someone doing the choreography, nothing would be getting *done* otherwise.
@@xxxSpaceOwlxxx wasn't her "dumbassery" in that fight intentional? That's why she was having all those summoning lessons with Winter in V7. So that she can better weave her summons in combat. Her summon-aided victory against Marrow was the product of that. She emerged victorious without having to put in close range with her enemy and risk getting hit (and we all know Weiss is too much of a glass cannon to take a hit, her glyphs drain her aura fast)
Well I've got to admit that Weiss is the most versatile out of all 4 girls and was actually pretty good on holding her own with Cinder WITHOUT semblance AND aura, along with her and Blake's weapon
I actually don’t mind at all that Weiss uses her summons a bit more than her rapier alone, but that fight with Vernal when she keeps persistently trying to summon despite clearly not having the time for it is so frustrating. She’s shown multiple times that if she stays still to summon, Vernal is going to hit her, and she keeps doing it.
The summons are awesome and IS an upgrade. BUT losing all her versatility, agility, and rapier fighting style in the process downgrades her. She would only work if she kept both. Summons attacking while she's also attacking with the rapier. Combining both. But I think we can all agree that non of the animators have the knowledge to execute that well.
@@dragosanders4234 she did know she didn't have time, like when she put up a walla ND then tried to summon, but didn't know Vernal could cut through it like butter.
Well duh, that was on purpose to show Weiss and the audience that she couldn't just lean exclusively on her newly mastered skill as an instant win button. She got smarter about using her summons in conjunction with Glyphs from then on.
I’m starting to realize that Weiss has trouble taking critique because of her father. She correlates correction with condescension. And that is why her technique and fighting with my myrtenaster has remained stagnant. Other than winter, she hasn’t really let anyone teach her. she has a trouble with relying on others and trusting orders. But that ends up being exactly what she needs, a team and structure. She has sort of leaned more into summoning to turn the tides of a 1v1 into a “team” fight.
Ikr. Literally watching the vol5 character shorts after watching their consecutive RWBY trailers pre volume 1 makes the downgrade in choreo quality so obnoxiously obvious
I dont understand how so many characters got some REALLY COOL choreo back in volumes 7 and 8 but Weiss is still stuck with being subjected to slow and clunky summons. She's always been about speed, to a more prevelant extent than even Ruby. Praying for v9 she gets her stule back
The first time she won a 1v1 is against marrow in Volume 7, but that was because marrow wasn't serious about fighting her,she probably would have lost again if marrow was as serious as Harriet
She has an excellent support for her team, but I think she is just Bad aigainst other Huntsman. Like she lost aigainst a random Black Fang in Volume 2... She's quite good aigainst Grimm tho
It's also sad that she completely forgot how she used to fight and just almost exclusively uses summons now. Even her rapier is more of a wand at this point LOL
@@aeon8448 True though her role in the team is support so all she must do is summon things or glyphs like she was doing in the nevermore fight back in the volume 1 WITHOUT forgetting to use rapier in close ranges or in the 1v1 situations but yeah she just summons now instead of FIGHTING WITH THE RAPIER like IN HER GODDAMN TRAILER OR CHARACTER SHORT
Are we ever seeing that ultimate kill move from Weiss ever again? The one where all the dust mixes and her weapon glows? Seems like she could've used that a couple of times now
This was uploaded just when I was looking for this compilation! The switch from Volume 3's animation engine to Volume 5's is super drastic here. Although many improvements were made in the general appearance of the show, it's a such a shame that Weiss' fighting style changed as the series went on so her fights no longer have that flair of dancing to them, and that's assuming she's actually using her sword as a blade and not a wand.
can't believe that it took that moment at 30:09 for me to realize that the glyph abilities Winter and Weiss have are sourced from their mother/mother's side
@@tristancummings5925 I think it's because it's hereditary and Jacques isn't born a Schnee (and Whitley isn't a fighter, but he would probably have the same abilities)
Vol 1-3: Weiss has incredible fencing style fight but sadly she just keep losing in one on one. Vol 4-5: pure disgrace for how RT just have ruining her like that. Vol6: was just Okay I’m kinda glad, but didn’t have much screen time on solo battle. Vol 7-8: they Improved parts of Weiss finally giving her an appreciation’s, but most of all they actually gives her victory on 1v1 even if Marrow was slightly holding back.
The Schnee family have the most OP semblance. When we get season 9 I hope we can be introduced to more bloodlines that have a distinctive semblance shared only to them.
@sydorovich2532 Very true. I've always thought the Schnee family semblance was next level compared to literally anybody else in the show. And the sad part is, we probably don't even know the limits.
We can honestly only hope that volume 9 decides to give Weiss some better fight choreographies , ones that lets her balance her style / return to a non summoner - focused style . She held good against winter though & that's cool as fuck -
Despite what everyone says about Weiss being weaker than she used to be (and I agree to some extent), I still think she held her own against Cinder better than Pyrrha did.
It really was. Sadly she’s just a mage now, but I at least wish they’d bring back time dilation. I think that was the last time she used it and it was like 6 volumes ago lol
@@HalosurferWeiss was always the red mage, it's just that she's often been pitted against opponents she either can't go up close against or who outclass her. That, and she's refined her more long-range, supportive abilities once she got back together with the team. That, and she's also still figuring out how to harmonize all the various abilities she has.
the weiss and marrow fight is probably my favorite of weiss' fights honestly, she uses her dust and semblance pretty creatively (like recreating freezerburn from volume 2 with her own use of ice and fire), plus a return of her flying around with her glyphs to put in some super fast strikes. Plus the use of her ice and wind where marrow starts climbing over them, the use of her summon to make it so marrow couldn't effectively use his semblance on her, and just overall i love it. I'm also going to be controversial and say I like the lancer fight, it shows how her training with her dust and semblance during volume 4 helped improve her ranged attacks, plus we finally see her summon in full action during a fight. The moment where she summons it while this life is mine plays always gets me hyped, the way the sword gets summoned with that flourish, the way she baits the lancer with what seems like a straight dive only for her to have it basically teleport around it with a ton of slashes (similar to that move weiss does of bouncing around with her glyphs), and how they both disintigrate at the end is just great to me. Though I might be a little biased since This Life Is Mine is one of my favorite RWBY songs, if not my absolute favorite. I wish we got to see her nevermore though in V8, but I'm guessing its supposed to be a similar situation to her just summoning the arma gigas arm in volume 3.
She's literally my favorite character, and I always forget how absolutely broken she is as a combat support in the first couple of volumes. Is there anybody who clutches out as hard as Weiss does? It's a shame she's practically defenseless in the later volumes. Also: Whitley deleting his browser history... 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
you can gradually see how they become weaker and weaker after every chapter and it just pisses me off how disrespectful it is. Like, weiss literally took on dozens of soldiers on her own moving at blinding speed, but when its a 1v1 match, my gosh, whered her braincells go?
That's not it at all. The real problem is that Monty prioritized spectacle over narrative cohesiveness or actual power scaling of his fights. It has the effect of making everyone look way more badass than they probably were and making relative power ranking almost impossible.
@@MrGksarathyi’m a bit late but you can’t lie when i say that there has been a drastic change in the way they did weiss’ fight scenes . she was very up close and personal but ever since she unlocked summoning they turned her sword into a wand and she almost never uses her rapier as intended even with the vernal fight she tried summoning twice without immobilizing her
@@cryptiq2750 That specific fight was meant to highlight that she was still figuring out how to incorporate her shiny new skill into her arsenal, and she was explicitly over relying on it. Otherwise, as I said before, it's mostly fight choreography and Monty's initial reliance on Rule of Cool that explains the perceived difference.
It’s such a shame she doesn’t combine abilities more often. Imagine speeding up time on the knight. She could use her glyphs as a rail gun for her elemental attacks. She can hold down an enemy while she creates a line of glyphs to speed up her knight. If she doesn’t have time for a full summon, she can just dash around with the sword hand of the knight. She can use these glyphs from pretty far away, so she could just avoid a fight entirely by keeping hidden while using all her focus on enhancing her summon. Then there’s the hypotheticals. If the glyphs are truly flat, can they be used as blades if positioned sideways. Can she summon just the arms of a summon quickly or sneakily enough to hold someone in place, and would it be better than the restraining glyphs? Does the time glyph speed up her summoning time? We know she can make her summons small, but can she summon a swarm of them if she does this? And there’s so many more options.
Considering Rooster teeth took a 3 year hiatus to work on the newest volume slated to come out early 2023, I'm kind of hoping they've improved the fighting. It feels like they made a big quality jump but didn't take the time to actually learn it in order to incorporate the things they did in the first 2/3 seasons battle wise (idk if it's just me but after the switch the battle felt less exciting due to a lack of, for a lack of better term, flashy-ness the first couple fo seasons had). I'm also hoping they can give the characters who need character development the development they need, especially those who are stuck and lost in this new dimension/world/universe(?) a lot of our character are gonna be in (such as Weiss, Ruby, and Jaune).
It only took so long for V9 because the RWBY team was working on that Young Justice crossover. Also yeah the new fights lack flashiness, good chereography, and honestly other than Yang the characters look like they barely know how to use their weapons.
I am a die hard Weiss stan. Her fighting style, personality, and growth really resonate with me. Yeah that’s a top tier character right there, she’s my girl fr. *I will not be acknowledging anything after Volume 4*
Many many years later I just realized that she loses against the chainsaw guy because she haven't mastered her time dilatation glyph as said later to Winter. Time seems to slow for her when she's about to land the coup de grace then chainsaw man just grab her ko.
As someone who doesn't know anything about RWBY. I can noticeably see the change in her fighting style, a complete downgrade and dependence on summons. She can't hold her own anymore. Why?
my guess is that in her character, she gets very childish at times. like many children, as soon as they learn of a new trick, they can’t help themselves into doing it over and over, but it’s been so long and she has to be over it by now
I do like Weiss' fighting style in Volumes 1-3. But then it got nerfed really bad like she was not that kind of Fighter anymore. She lost that elegance, grace and unique fighting style she got, like it was out of form or not hers. Blake's fighting style, too. She was really agile that she can't be seen that much. But then, now she can't even do it now like she became rusty all of a sudden.After not being a White Fang, she became weak like a lot. Doesn't even use her agileness anymore. Ruby, has improved a bit which is good but in Leadership and how she can utilize her speed to be an advantage to looking up to her teammates. Yang's improvement only involves in using her Semblance in the most important occassions than doing it entirely all the time.
I understand Weiss is meant to be elegant and strong but I feel like there’s too much elegance and femininity to her fighting style now. I liked it before where her style was a bit more rough. It might be shown in the story as development as she trains but I still find it more satisfying to watch before
she lost her elegance, she's now just reliant on crappy summoning and doesnt do much. She'd be so much better if she could be fighting with her blade like in the trailer, while also fighting with her summons, but i think theres just no animators that have the skills to do that
This series really died with Monty Oum. I never liked anime as such, but the way he animated these girls (and Weiss specifically) was absolutely unprecedentedly beautiful. So intricate, so stylish and so fierce. Seeing all the fights past V3 just reminds of how sad it truly is that we'll never get to see more from him.
Everyone here's just mindlessly bashing Weiss's changes in fighting style from Volume 4 onwards, but no, Weiss never lost her sense of grace and style, even if she didn't get as up close and personal with her rapier as she did prior. Sure, it looks different due to lack of Monty and the change in animation software, but it also reflects her attempts to incorporate new skills into her fighting style. I especially like her journey with summoning. First, she struggles with it, then once she gets the hang of it, she starts to overrely on it to the point of struggling against Vernal more than she had to, and then by Volumes 7 and 8, she has started to synthesize the two fighting styles, and now in Volume 9, she has come full circle.
Thank you! I was searching for a comment like yours. Plus it really ignores how Weiss was not doing great as just a pure swordswoman; like sure it may have looked “nicer” (which is an opinion) but it was definitely not as effective bc unlike Blake she wasn’t able to use it in conjunction with her semblance as well fighting style wise. Really her rapier works best when she uses it with Dust, so I could understand the complaints more if they were about her limited Dust usage compared to the trailer.
I know a lot of people dislike Weiss's new fighting style but I personally think it shows some growth. Weiss was always a glass canon, she knew she has to strike fast and hard to win a fight and you can see that in her firsts fights where she would abuse her glyphs in order to not let her opponents respond. Which actually further drains her aura. She slowly started to add more support moves with dusts and her glyphs providing utility for her team. And by the newer volumes where she uses her semblance, and dust knowledge to its fullest potential instead of striking head first. Imo that's showing some growth on weiss's part
Yeah, totally agree. While her duelist style in the earlier volumes was cool, it didn't do her much good against all but the weakest opponents and put her in unnecessary danger. She's now playing more to her strengths, and over time, has learned to integrate summoning into her generally team-oriented, long-range fighting style. She can still take the fight up close, but her opponents over the volumes have made that less and less of a good idea.
I’m going to complain about a fighting style change while ignoring the volume 5 trailer and the circumstances of the fights. Obviously she should just dash at marrow, what can he do? Should’ve just tried to stab the bee by jumping off of glyphs.
@@MrGksarathy it's more like they try to make it that way, but I've only seen her LITERALLY STAND STILL while casting and letting her summon do all the work.
@@janbertguerrero6988 Weiss is quite mobile when using her Glyphs and still skates around the battlefield. With summoning, yeah she has to stay still when actually casting because even Winter has to do so, but even then, she is gradually learning how to integrate summons into her more fluid fighting style from before. Also, she only primarily relies on her summons for a few fights in Volume 5. Otherwise, she has mostly used glyphs and long range dust attacks to help herself and her teammates, and the Summons are used for the finishing blow on particularly big or tough opponents. Besides, red mages are cool as shit bro.
For me Weiss is surely the most POWERFUL Yang is the STRONGEST Ruby is the most INTELLIGENT and still growing Blake is all of them EQUALLY cause she knows how to use her semblance well her hand to hand combat is good too and her Battle IQ and thinking is great She's all of them but in an average way. But it doesn't mean she's the number one of them 4
just gonna mention this cuz i think it needs mentioning but arma gigas is so strong that with only ONE arm summoned it chopped a paladin in half now this might not seem that impressive but keep in mind team rwby (all 4 members) took a fair amount of effort to destroy a prototype of a paladin in v2 now is this strength currently represented in the show correctly? not really but just wanted to mention it
Sha has such great fighting styles. All of her styles are beautiful and elegance too. Then, something happens and all of her styles are changing too. They should bring back Weiss in Volume 1 - 3.
You know, I’m definitely on team let Weiss sword fight again, but at the same time, homegirl is way more powerful than her teammates by a freaking long shot, maybe they nerfed her into support main so they’d have a reason for them to lose some fights.
I’m hoping in the future they fuse her fighting styles because just think her dancing and slicing her enemies while her knight defends her or would that be too OP?
I understand the complaints about her fighting style now and I miss the way she moved in Volume 1-3, but watching this, I don't see a lot of enemies (except Vernal and Marrow) where it would be wise to fight in duel. You can't do that against Cinder, or the Grimm in the Schnee manor, or Cordovin inside a giant robot, or the lancers in Volume 5. And yes, she fought Arma Gigas, but it's a Grimm, less stronger that the Hound (ironically beaten by the knight), not a robot, not a human. It's kind of normal that Winter trained her summoning but it would have been cool to see them duel.
Man, what really bugs me about RWBY now is that in the earlier seasons, we see the girls fight multiple grim and enemies like it's nothing, but in later seasons, one normal sized grim and they're getting their teeth kicked in.
I think the earlier volumes are actually the problem. Cool as they are, the fights had absolutely no sense of grounding in the narrative or actual power levels, and they were all spectacle. In later volumes, this has changed, and honestly, while it sucks when we've been trained on the earlier volumes, it's actually better this way.
Im just kind of sad they didn't utilize most of her abilities in the later seasons, like I wanted to see time dialation and that white thing she did with her sword as a final blow in her trailer. They kinda did her dirty tbh. Like where did the old Weiss go???
I wish they made her outfits more elegant but combat ready in the later volumes. Like to me personally it didn't make sense for her hair to seem to top heavy and wearing clothes that look very restricted for movement. She was suppose to be more like a figure skater from what I've seen, but they just ruined it and made her look like a slow mage that can't move. Also like I just don't understand the need for the hair change when they reached atlas . It just dissapoints me since she is my favorite character, and I know she can do so much more then just rely on summoning. Don't get me wrong though, it cool to see her summon, but when it is at the cost of her not being able to fight regulary it just not it for me.
Me with same feeling. Weiss I used to know, was an elegant but had a strong temperament. Present Weiss such a princess has been tamed and relies so much on summoning that she forgets about the other great skills she has. I love Monty, I know he's a genius, but c'mon, is there no one else on this earth who understands her combat style?