@@lucasrfma Its wild because classes I would think would have boring class quests have some pretty tight questlines but warrior who you would think they could get creative with gets to punch rocks
@@Shanghai_cola I wouldn't necessarily expect creative quests as opposed to any other class normally.... But since the posterboy for ARR is a warrior, then it surely becomes a bigger let down haha.
@@bearandthebull2372 the pally one from 50 to 60 made me mad. But I mean it more as in the respective quests: war is the arr guy and the marauder quests, which are from arr, are literally breaking rocks. Endwalker's pld prolly wont have that problem if they keep going with the role quest system (which i really liked)
@@pawbgles tbn is pretty much the only real counter in this game, and it has 15s cooldown vs 25s for heart of stone, while also being much much stronger. The worry of not using it properly goes away during raids, where you are literally doing the same content for weeks/months, where all the incoming damage becomes very predictable. The only downside I would say is once you are best in slot or close, you have so much health that the shield doesnt pop as easily.
@@pawbgles It's literally, mathematically, the best mitigation in the game. And honestly, if you know the fight, it's easy to use it properly. Not going to lie though. I wish DKR had more. Dark mind in particular is trash in most circumstances. TBN being so good is basically going to be an excuse to screw over DRK of any other mitigation from now into the future.
Delrium be like: here free usages of bloodspiller for 10 seconds...oof you didn’t hit 5 gcds during the effect? Well its okay to parse gray i guess Inner release: you want free fell cleaves, DH CRT and ignore push back mechanics that would make you lose your 5 gcds fell cleave!? Say no more here is free coke too!
Holmgang used to make more sense. The OG effect was that you and your target would be bound to your positions, and you couldn't go below 1HP from most effects. This is similar to the IRL Holmgang, where two men would stake their foot to the ground and fight each other until one died.
What kind of situation would have made people want to do Holmgang IRL? Like, one dude f*cking another’s wife?? I’m just baffled by the thought of IRL Holmgang
@@Leroset hell, I struggle to see the reason in that. If I'm gonna stake my foot to the ground and fight to the death, it sure wouldn't be over a cheating wife.
@@rugalbernstein5913 not to mention that the one who cheated, was the wife. not the dude. You don't have a marriage vow with dude lol. Holmgang the wife
BTW warrior has this insane snap aggro tool called equilibrium for grabbing any stray mobs or adds that spawn in a fight as long as they appear on your enemy list and it also has unlimited range. You can also do something similar with gunbreaker's aurora where you can just pop it before starting a pull and that would prevent healers that like to put regen on you from taking mobs' aggro.
Interesting, I didn't think about self-heals for stealing back aggro. I would have figured that a regen's higher potency would out-aggro something like Aurora, or is it affected by tank stance's enmity bonus?
@@Leap623 Yeah it does. Basically no healer's regen can out aggro aurora and no healer's snap heal and out aggro equlibrium. The only time where it can lose aggro is if a ranged or caster as been hitting the mobs as you are gathering them but at that point you should just let them bring the mob to you or let them eat shit.
@@Leap623 healing aggro for the record is not affected by tank stance enmity modifier; that only used to be the case in stormblood. it still builds a pretty decent amount of aggro however and it's a good habit to get into imo
@@applejinx5683 I come in search of *knowledge* . What do I do if my party members keep pulling aggro and force me to pull wall to wall, even though I am just a tank sprout. Should I let them play with my emotions, or do I let them get played by the enemy? My wish is to become a chad warrior. Please enlighten me with thy secrets.
I've been repeatedly watching this video in attempts to try and get better at Warrior because the humor helps my smooth brain understand the dynamic of the class.
The award for worst tank invuln easily goes to living dead and not holmgang. The short cd on holmgang is such a huge benefit and warrior has plenty of tool to heal themselves back up on their own. Meanwhile living dead is almost functionally identical to holmgang except on top of a longer cd it demands the healers get involved, and if you don't have a white mage in the party it becomes supremely annoying to heal.
I know this is old but one big plus of LD is the status lasts for 8-10 seconds and WD lasts for another 10. You don't have to worry about timing like the other tanks AND it adds 10 seconds on top of however long you have LD status. Also one nice thing is you don't have to heal to 100% just for 100% of their health. And Walking Dead doesn't end until healed for that 100%. So you can actually cheese mechanics with it like tank swap mechanics.
The problem therein becomes as that this is the only 'super cooldown' that actually requires outside support since DRKs can't even come close to the amount of healing they need to get rid of it. Not to mention if you heal to early you lose your mitigation so it not only forces your healers to save your ass but unless their WHM with Benedict on the ready they gotta go through some hoops to heal you and make sure to not do it too early or else you die from damage and not too late or you own ability kills you. Simply having the self death effect be a seperate debuff that goes away when healed without affecting your mitigation would make the ability leagues better but Yoshi says no cause 'Lore'
He said weakest. Living Dead is the worst in function because its confusing and annoying for healers. But Holmgang is the weakest because of the short 8 second window.
@@axis1247 and because you still take damage. So if your healer is especially garbage, you've bought 8 more seconds before you die regardless. The only saving grace of Holmgang is you can use it twice in a Savage/Extreme/Ultimate fight
@@tatersalad76 if your healer sucks and all your self healing is on cooldown you still have at least enough time during holmgang to get 1 storms path out, which can help stall for time while you wait for nascent flash
You forgot to mention the secret mechanic of Warrior, where playing as a Lalafell will make your Infuriate-buffed Fell Cleaves hit 1% harder, as you are constantly Infuriated that your teammates treat you like a child. I'm 37 and have eaten more tankbusters than our Dragoon has stone tiles, Karen.
@@TechneMakre i love how you say immune as if rescue is a debuff although, seeing certain videos of healers pulling people into pits, id be inclined to say that it is...
@@koncentra5767 when the healer is your mischievous friend, rescue becomes a prey marker on you every time it's available xD I've been on the giving and receiving end of such shenanigans many times
As a a tank main who has 10+ years doing high end content in WOW coming to FF14 and playing a tank I feel like its easier in the since there seems to be alot more mitigation options but harder in the since of management of said mitigation options. And I love it alot can officially say I have jumped from WOW and am now a ff14 tank main.
I've played Warrior since HW til this day in every kind of content, from casual to Ultimate. And I've got to say: you are godd*mn right! 1 thing I would add: Crit rate increasing abilities, such as Battle Litany and Chain Stratagem, are also worthless on Warriors 'Angrier Fell Cleave' and Inner Release. They only increase the crit rate, but not the crit damage. Great guide!
ya he and i talked abt it during proof reading but he chose not to include it since its somewhat more opti stuff (and not right in the way like bards since those are obv cus stats)
I love your videos, they're actually the reason i began to play tank, was always so anxious before, but after these videos i gave them a try and found out they're fun
As someone who has always wanted to tank in games, but have always felt overwhelmed, this is a lovely and refreshing take on the role (at least to me!) Thanks for this awesome guide!
Here's a neat little thing I found out - Inner Release actually causes your Vengeance damage to crit. Popping those two cooldowns in giga-trash packs makes ALL the big numbers appear
"Dark knight has the blackest night and nothing else." I hate it because it's true. It almost seems like all the good skills/abilities goes to Paladin and Gunbreaker. And we DRK mains only got the crumbs called "the blackest night"
This guide helps a lot. As a player who just joined ff and never played this kind of game. I was nervous at first since I want to play tank but people suggest otherwise. I feel a lot more confident after knowing warrior is a lot more easier compared to other tank
I started with warrior and honestly it's been really fun! I switch between tanking an dpsing now since I'm further in but honestly? I miss tanking all the time
So I just had a dungeon in the 80's where me and the DPS wiped at around 50% of the last bosses health and the Warrior player soloed the rest of the fight, really makes a healer feel useful
Brand new to tanking! Wow refugee and decided to get outta my comfort zone. Im glad to know Warrior is one of the simpler classes. It's good to start on tje easier side of things and work up to harder stuff.
not 100% damage done, its a fixed 400 potency heal per gcd hit (which can be forced to crit when used with inner chaos, chaotic cyclone or primal rend)
Started working more seriously on my Warrior now as my first tank, and good LORD this guide was incredibly helpful. I feel way more confident in actually knowing what damage mitigation effects to use and WHEN to use them. I got positive reinforcement that I was doing the right intro skills in fights. I had things other guides failed to elaborate on explained in an easy-to-digest manner that was also very amusing. Seriously fantastic guide. Thank you so much for making it! I can feel my brain wrinkles smoothing away already! :D
In addition to the mentioned BRD buffs not working with the Inner Release window, DRG Battle Litany (as well as any other crit-based buffs) doesn't work as well because it only buffs the rate of critical hits and not the stat itself. The critical hit as seen on your profile is different than what you receive in battle. The crit as seen on your profile and gear is the true crit stat that improves its damage and hit rate the more crit stat you have. The crit as seen on party buffs does not increase your crit stat so it can only improve crit hit rate and not the crit damage. That's why you may hear about people complaining about WAR IR. The ability is inefficient with certain cds in the game. It's not like you need them but you can't use them except for like a couple gcds. Food in contrast gives you true stat gains unlike party buffs. Always use food.
i would like to make it known if its not already that your content is solid as i know exactly what humor to expect when watching your content. i think i can say im proud to be here before your 10k video. i hope your life on RU-vid is well lived
Absolutely new to the game. I got to about 16 minutes in, and Im so very lost. Will play some and the rewatch the entire thing. Thanks for the tips and run down.
Oh god, I didn't know you before today, but you're finally the very first guy to admit that Holmgang is strictly better than any other invuln IF you can abuse the cooldown. I've had to deal with so many lesser apes who couldn't comprehend the truth, and that's coming from a warrior main ape. You earned a follow good sir.
I disagree on the leveling experience, up until 45 if we're comparing damage/mitigation cooldowns warrior and PLD have the same until 45 (sometimes getting them in different orders though) with the exception of PLD's shield bash, at 45, WAR is ahead because PLD getting the ultra situational "cover" but WAR gets an AoE beast gang spender and their invul, moving on through HW, PALADIN'S DAMAGE ROTATION DOESN'T CHANGE UNTIL LEVEL 60. Other then you using goring blade instead of rage of halone, nothing changes about your already super basic rotation, and the other abilities you get like divine veil and clemency you won't really be using unless you're at endgame and have a dead healer respectively, and at that point, it doesn't even matter that PLD got goring blade because WAR already got storm's eye at 50, and even after that they got fell cleave, decimate, and some much less situational mitigation. In stormblood PLD finally getting Requiescat, where I think things finally turn back but that's at level 68! PLD's leveling sucks
Some things worth noting: Your ability to get 5 FC's in your IR window WILL be dependent on your latency, therefore you need to adjust SkS to accommodate for that. There really is no "best SkS". Additionally, I think it's completely untrue to say it's the worst invuln when Living Dead exist. In fact I'd say it's the greatest simply due to it's low CD as well as lasting 8 seconds, letting it be used MUCH more often, saving other mitigation for different damage, netting a positive outcome of healing.
Comment for the comment gods, but this is also my class in my static and my go-to for max level roulettes so I wanna say: While the damage rotation is incredibly simple, I refuse to play other tanks unless my entire party is premade (and even then I'm anxious) because too many times have I been matched with a healer whose brain is somehow smoother than mine, and subsequently died in a manner that could have been avoided entirely had I been playing Warrior. Case in point: I once had an unga-bunga healer who was the first to die in the last boss of Grand Cosmos, and since one of the DPS was low they died to the following raidwide. I then proceeded to two-man the boss from ~50% HP with my other DPS, a dancer, as I healed us both between mechanics with Nascent Flash. Conversely, I had another unga-bunga healer in Grand Cosmos (just another reason I hate that dungeon) when I was playing Gunbreaker that forced me to invuln on the second wall-to-wall between the first and second boss, and because I was missing that invuln we wiped on the second boss. It was absolutely incredible, and absolutely infuriating because I knew that would not have been a problem had I been Warrior. *TL;DR: While Warrior's rotation is smooth brain, keeping yourself alive as the healers of the world fail you will keep the wrinkles on your brain anyway.*
I remember the days when Dark Knight was the trash man - Unleash, Blood Price, Dark Arts, Abyssal Drain, Dark Arts, Abyssal Drain, Quietus, Dark Arts Abyssal Drain, Dark Arts, Abyssal Drain, Quietus. Repeat
I loved the "wrinkles of your brain getting smoother " I have played ffxi for a very, very long time and even in that game their was a huge difference of how you tanked... even though my PLD was a tank and I was WAR dps (war/nin)
I’m confused as to why I like Warrior so much, I mean I have always played the harder jobs, Monk in 1.0 and 2.0, Summoner at shadowbringer launch, ninja now, all my jobs have definitely been the harder jobs. But comparatively I’d say I love Warrior and Dark Knight much more than the other two tanks
I had a warrior in my trial, he kept provoking the boss every time provoke got off cd. He didnt even lost the aggro. He just provoked the boss for no reason the entire time
@@babydaddy3364 it didn't made anything any harder. He was supposed to have the aggro, he just didn't needed to provoke him. I shared this story not because it was important to share, but because it's relevant to something that happens in the video, if I remember correctly
Raw intuition is also nice to pair with either rampart or vengeance for heavy hitting tankbusters (on savage and ultimates) to add mitigation. Also is the target you have while using Holmgang dies, the effect runs off which is particulary annoying in dungeons ^^ (the macro with is here to prevent that). Nice guide tho
Ok, ok, lol . . . loved this video and actually learned something too . . . so I subbed ofc. I'm interested in returning to FFXIV and see this as a good place to start, no I don't want to be a bard and sing my song of 6 pence, no I don't want to be a white mage and whirl around singing the hill are alive with music, no I don't want to a ??? and sing, sing, sing . . . strange how so many others recommend such to sprouts or returnees after a long hiatus to fill in these overly stimulating and in the current meta extremely useful roles (well white mage is always going to be useful, unless somehow the sage passes them by) come on, I don't get it . . . but the Mar/War looks like good starter fun and this time around seems just the right amount of involvement while I relearn a lot of game mechanics, so thanks for an enjoyable lesson here. Hell, even the comments here are worth reading not only for extra knowledge gut wrenching laughs too . . . what's not to like.
Side note : tell your healer you're gonna use nascent flash. So they will heal less and DPS more. If you're in a group with regularly the same people, that is probably something your friends will grow accustomed to. Macro : slash party : going to use nascent flash in next pull. Or something like that
As someone who mains healers, i still have no idea what any tank cooldown aside from DRs even do, which is why im watching the guides for tanks. But if someone is not as interested, he can play healer and not know what living dead or nascent flash even do.
