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Well There's Your Problem | Episode 45: 1955 Le Mans Disaster 

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@morganalabeille5004
@morganalabeille5004 4 года назад
Steve Irwin wouldn't have wanted you to hate stingrays
@falloutghoul1
@falloutghoul1 3 года назад
This is true.
@Patrick-it8nk
@Patrick-it8nk 3 месяца назад
All these years later I still would agree. Though I'll still eat them 😂
@ahamlinfan7224
@ahamlinfan7224 4 года назад
39:04 Indycar. Indycar used to use Methanol as their fuel. When Methanol catches fire, its nearly invisible. There are a lot of examples of what looks like nothing going on, and then suddenly people are on the ground on fire with other people throwing water buckets at them
@iamjustkiwi
@iamjustkiwi 4 года назад
Straight up horror movie level stuff there. Invisible fire op pls nerf.
@engineer_cat
@engineer_cat 4 года назад
fun fact that I recently discovered (safely, thank fuck): some alcohol-based hand sanitizers also burn with an invisible flame
@Eibarwoman
@Eibarwoman 4 года назад
Herm Johnson pit fire in the 1981 Michigan 500 would be a prime example of methanol fire.
@son0of0the0beast
@son0of0the0beast 4 года назад
That's what got Ricky Bobby too
@Cynon
@Cynon 4 года назад
The good thing about methanol is that water dilutes it below it's flashpoint. In other words; you can put a methanol fire out with water, which you should not do with a gasoline fire.
@worldwar2freak12
@worldwar2freak12 4 года назад
38:40 Some added knowledge here from a sailor. During bootcamp, we all go through basic firefighting training, which of course involves learning the four categories of fire; Class A: Wood, cloth, other solids, your standard fire. Fight using water, any other available extinguishers. Class B: Oil, grease, other liquids. Fight by smothering it, using either built in devices (IE kitchens have built in metal hoods, that swing down and cut off air), certain gasses or AFFF (aqueous film forming foam). Don't use water, you'll just spread burning liquid everywhere, which is bad. Class C: Electrical. Use CO2 or PKP extinguishers (water will get on the floor, to your feet, and electricity likes to arc). And finally, and most applicable to this part of the video; Class D: Magnesium/other metals (usually certain aircraft parts). Don't use water, or any other system, just push whatever's burning over the side of the ship. No other option.
@jamieking2472
@jamieking2472 3 года назад
So basically, you're saying that the solution to shipboard magnesium fires is to make it Poseidon's problem?
@TheImpossiBelle
@TheImpossiBelle 3 года назад
@@jamieking2472 "We should take the flaming wreckage, and push it somewhere else!"
@Lkjhgfvf
@Lkjhgfvf 2 года назад
I love that the metallic fires protocol is just "Oh fuck, uhh, the fish can handle it!" and chucking whatevers burning off the side
@lyndonwesthaven6623
@lyndonwesthaven6623 2 года назад
Wait, but when it hits the water .....
@spamviking
@spamviking 2 года назад
I did a maritime safety course for work, as a civillian its all the same except for magnesium fires where its "call for help and abandon ship"
@NeighborSenpai
@NeighborSenpai 4 года назад
"I only get my news from a reliable source" *The god damn news*
@DeadWhiteButterflies
@DeadWhiteButterflies 4 года назад
Honestly, GDN might actually be my favourite segment now. I love just seeing Alice & Liam being given something to roast relentlessly.
@colonelgraff9198
@colonelgraff9198 4 года назад
GDN > BBC >CNN > FOX
@rampagerslife
@rampagerslife 4 года назад
may i recommend 'news without the bullshit' it's monthly and run by a guy on youtube named 'sir swag.' it's where i get my news
@NeighborSenpai
@NeighborSenpai 4 года назад
@@rampagerslife that actually sounds cool, I'll check it out
@MrMortsnerd
@MrMortsnerd 3 года назад
Reliable blue check mark Twatter "authoritative" Soros-backed sources.
@phillip5245
@phillip5245 4 года назад
19:05 Drivers refusing to wear safety harnesses at the time was a conscious decision based on their preference to be thrown clear of their wreckage in the event of an accident. They were more scared of burning to death whilst trying to get unstrapped from their highly flammable vehicles.
@ewanhogg3068
@ewanhogg3068 2 года назад
That's fair, if I had the choice between burning to death and having by brains instantly smeared across five meters of asphalt I'd definitely pick the latter.
@RedHotMessResell
@RedHotMessResell 6 месяцев назад
And then Dale Earnhardt even somehow decided to bring that into the modern era and it killed him. Glad they force them to wear them now.
@defeatstatistics7413
@defeatstatistics7413 6 месяцев назад
​@@RedHotMessResellyeah, he called it "that dang noose".
@volatilesky
@volatilesky 4 года назад
Reminds me of when an a-arm on my RC car broke. Looked at parts manual, didn't mention magnesium, and it LOOKED like cast steel and is a tiny 2" long piece, so I'll just do a little tiny tack weld on it and it'll be good as new! After the first spark from a tiny 1/16 rod, the goddamn thing caught fire and flared like the sun. Threw it into my water bucket I used for dipping stuff in to cool down from grinding. Burns through bottom of bucket water sizzling like mad, hits the concrete and burns a pock mark into the concrete floor as the bucket empties onto it on the floor.
@relight6931
@relight6931 3 года назад
Shit.. ThaT didn't quite go as good as imagined.
@blackvulture6818
@blackvulture6818 3 года назад
Whoops! Was trying to fix some toy and accidentally did a China Syndrome
@fritzophrenia3146
@fritzophrenia3146 3 года назад
I remember buying some bootleg fireworks from a dude in a tent that was, in retrospect, clearly just magnesium powder in a little cardboard cartridge. It burned a divot into the steel plate we set it on, it was cool as shit but insanely dangerous to just leave lying around
@IndustrialParrot2816
@IndustrialParrot2816 2 месяца назад
Magnesium is a Pain in the Ass to weld it's just reactive Enough to Burn Vigorously but not enough that it forms a Patina in minutes like aluminum does
@brianschamber4640
@brianschamber4640 4 года назад
The real 4th member of WTYP is the Activate Windows reminder.
@thomasmiller158
@thomasmiller158 2 года назад
And it's still there 2 years later
@ahamlinfan7224
@ahamlinfan7224 4 года назад
1:03:51 about that, NASCAR used to have a union run by Curtis Turner, the first superstar the sport ever had. It lasted a couple months, and ended when Bill France Sr. banned him and anyone still in the union for life. Another attempt was made later on, but it didnt last long.
@slaughterround643
@slaughterround643 4 года назад
capitalism owns dude banned because you wanted to not die? should have pulled up your bootsocks.
@KhanCipher
@KhanCipher 4 года назад
>Another attempt was made later on, but it didnt last long. It didn't last simply because when they had every card they needed in their hand when things were going to shit approaching the very first Talladega race (Goodyear was having lots of problems trying to get a tire that wouldn't shred after only a couple laps), and they didn't take advantage of it.
@ahamlinfan7224
@ahamlinfan7224 4 года назад
@@KhanCipher yep. Basically
@1HitBlunder
@1HitBlunder 4 года назад
Slaphoes does some excellent videos on Nascar unions during the first race of Talladega and the Tire Wars. One of my fav channels on YT and deserves more recognition.
@weatheranddarkness
@weatheranddarkness 4 года назад
@@1HitBlunder that was eye opening and fit very well in the "well there's your problem" idiom
@jbarbeau92
@jbarbeau92 4 года назад
The idea of a race car drivers union is pretty great. All race cars have to seat 4, the driver and 3 guys who watch the guy driving.
@jamiekamihachi3135
@jamiekamihachi3135 3 года назад
And they stop the race for 15 minutes for their union mandated switch blade break.
@harrylarrybarrygarry8932
@harrylarrybarrygarry8932 2 года назад
It actually needs to be at least 8. You have the driver, 3 in vehicle watchers, someone not in the vehicle to watch the vehicle drive around, and then 3 guys to watch the guy watch the vehicle.
@bmortloff
@bmortloff 2 года назад
Rules that the head of the GP Drivers' Association is the most British public school ass lad.
@richardtickler8555
@richardtickler8555 2 года назад
I want a 24h race in which you have to carry everything but fuel. All drivers, tyres etc. kinda like when you go on holiday. Youre allowed to drop used stuff and drivers at your box
@joshuahadams
@joshuahadams 2 года назад
Like one of those race boats that has a driver and a dude who adjusts the boats balance on the fly by leaning?
@Full_Otto_Bismarck
@Full_Otto_Bismarck 4 года назад
As a motorsports fan I knew this was gonna be interesting as soon as I saw the title. The 1950s and 1960s was an absolute meat grinder in the world of racing, and while i undrstand people who appreciate the beauty and the raw mechanical nature of the racecars from this period, the romanticism some people hold about this period is absolutely ridiculous.
@ReganSmash33
@ReganSmash33 4 года назад
Yep, as a motorsports fan who grew up just nearby where Langhorne Speedway used to be, reading the stories and watching the videos of races at that track alone are insane. Case in point, is this classic from the 1951 Langhorne Grand National. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Z3bvi4ZID4w.html
@Full_Otto_Bismarck
@Full_Otto_Bismarck 4 года назад
@@ReganSmash33 0_0 wow, I dont have the words for the actions of some of those drivers
@greynolds17
@greynolds17 4 года назад
if you forget about everything bad that happened. it looks beautiful
@jimbrown5091
@jimbrown5091 3 года назад
One can appreciate the beauty of the machines, while acknowledging the tragedy that they killed many people. The good news is, because of that era, we have race cars and race tracks that are far safer than what was "acceptable" in the day.
@coreygolphenee9633
@coreygolphenee9633 3 года назад
You drove on the fuel and liked it
@Kaanfight
@Kaanfight 4 года назад
Liam the reason why Jacksonville smelled bad is because there’s a paper mill that doesn’t like to follow environmental regulations and makes us all miserable.
@ClaudiaNW
@ClaudiaNW 4 года назад
When I was a child, Thomas the Tank Engine warned me that "coughs and sneezles spread diseasels". Now those fears are realised, as Justin has been on a real-life diseasel train.
@christopherbruderle684
@christopherbruderle684 Год назад
DISEASEL TRAIN
@tiekogalaxylatte8839
@tiekogalaxylatte8839 Год назад
DISEASEL TRAIN 💀
@spamviking
@spamviking 4 года назад
I used to live in a town called Beppu in Japan, whole place is full of volcanic vents and smells of sulphur. You do get used to it though, and its fun to watch people get off the train, come out of the airconditioned cabin and straight into a wall of humid rotten egg stench.
@lyndonwesthaven6623
@lyndonwesthaven6623 2 года назад
Yo, my grandparents are from there! .... oddly enough, they never mentioned that.
@iamjustkiwi
@iamjustkiwi 4 года назад
Audio, visual, and now smell. This truly is the most all encompassing podcast with slides (and smells) in history. I'm so glad I was here to experience it!
@lasschesteven
@lasschesteven 4 года назад
This suggests they might expand into taste and touch in the future, and I'm not sure either the podcasters or the audience want that.
@AlanCanon2222
@AlanCanon2222 4 года назад
I was halfway through before I realized the smell wasn't Liam, it was me.
@HarryS77
@HarryS77 4 года назад
@@lasschesteven I feel like including nociception would really help me fully appreciate the disasters were talking about.
@nathansmith3608
@nathansmith3608 4 года назад
I smell where you're coming from buddy!
@marinary1326
@marinary1326 4 года назад
@@lasschesteven look, when Roz tells me that the really mean chemicals also taste really good, I wanna be able to verify that
@ferchrissakes
@ferchrissakes 4 года назад
I can recommend the film "Grand Prix: The Killer Years" about what it took for safety to be taken seriously. Drivers pushing for safety were regarded as beta cucks by public and press. Strangely, commercial interests and advertising helped (I know rite?). As someone says "If you've got your logo on a car, you don't very much want to see a young man burn to death in it." Which was a thing that kept happening. Lots of scary stories, like drivers pooling their own money to pay to have EMTs and firefighters on standby because that wasn't a thing. Or just having non-flammable clothing. And of course, the races never being stopped, no matter the death toll.
@danielled8665
@danielled8665 2 года назад
There was a reason for not stopping the races in some cases though. The sudden rush of people leaving could cause a crush at the exit, and the traffic of people all leaving the stadium at once could cause difficulty for rescue vehicles trying to get to the scene, and from the scene to hospitals. Stopping the race didn't help those injured already, and could actively hurt them.
@ferchrissakes
@ferchrissakes 2 года назад
@@danielled8665 that sort of concern would imply a level of organization that just wasn’t there early on. There were no rescue vehicles let alone safety personnel. Fire extinguishers weren’t required. Cars ended up in houses or deep in forests since there were few barriers. Spectators weren’t all in the stands, but all along the track. Injured drivers - presuming they weren’t dead outright - were at best loaded into random people’s cars by spectators. In one case an actual ambulance was actually called but didn’t know the way to the hospital. It was, in a word, a sh*tshow. So it’s not that races were allowed to continue for safety reasons; stopping them just wasn’t considered at all and there was no mechanism for doing so. Some races shouldn’t even have *started* due to insane track conditions, but did anyway because there was no way not to start. Even in the more modern era thing were a mess. Look up David Purley trying desperately to save Roger Williamson at the 1973 Dutch Grand Prix as Williamson is literally burning to death. Purley stopped his own car, tried in vain to extinguish the fire and flip the wrecked car by himself, stop the race - *anything*. The few marshals present aren’t in fire retardant clothes and have one fire extinguisher between them. Purley is the only one doing anything. It’s horrible to watch. And the race continued. Took 8 minutes for firefighters to get there via the track where cars continued racing at full speed.
@piizog
@piizog 4 года назад
I was shocked and horrified to not hear any "Feel the Berm" -jokes. (They/Them, pronouns mentioned just to annoy the people who gets annoyed by them.)
@doctorworm420
@doctorworm420 4 года назад
All my respect for my fellow theydies and gentlethems in the comments
@agreeableanarchist7328
@agreeableanarchist7328 4 года назад
I like how they're easing Liam into helping out with this podcast. They're like, okay Liam your turn, and he's like, oh shit, hold on, my notes, oh wait, got it, okay there we are, oh wait. We've all had presentations like this in school. 😂
@twothreebravo
@twothreebravo 4 года назад
Why everyone hated group projects in school: Liam 😂
@Man2quilla
@Man2quilla 3 года назад
He's a smol bean
@fuzzydunlop7928
@fuzzydunlop7928 3 года назад
He’s simultaneously the weakest link of this podcast and indispensably endearing as a result. He’s a load-bearing Liam. Ngl though I really miss Nick on Lions Led by Donkeys.
@johncenaversusthings8452
@johncenaversusthings8452 4 года назад
as a french person, i am glad that my people are finally getting the dunk they deserve
@kingofthemoon3063
@kingofthemoon3063 4 года назад
I think the Vietnamese dunked the French pretty damn hard that one time And then spent several years dunking on the Americans.
@severalwolves
@severalwolves 4 года назад
“... my people R* getting...” lern 2 spel u ,bozo!
@firefox5926
@firefox5926 4 года назад
@@severalwolves lmao
@jamiekamihachi3135
@jamiekamihachi3135 3 года назад
Pretty sure France got all the dunking they deserved in 1815.
@xmlthegreat
@xmlthegreat Год назад
@@jamiekamihachi3135 France has not been nearly dunked on enough for what they did in Africa and Asia.
@tom_forsyth
@tom_forsyth 4 года назад
19:33 - "Lucas Electrique" is a French advert for Lucas Electrical, a company in Birmingham (UK) that supplied a huge amount of the electrical equipment in British cars in the 1960s, especially light fittings and headlamps. Their reputation for quality and reliability was so renowned that they were (and continue to be) called "Lucas, Prince of Darkness." Their revenue was excellent because you had to buy three spares with every part.
@DiamondKingStudios
@DiamondKingStudios Год назад
Apparently Ozzy Osbourne and his mother used to work for Lucas, so there’s your “Prince of Darkness” connection.
@jamespocelinko104
@jamespocelinko104 4 года назад
That awkward moment when you cause a horrific crash because your brakes are *TOO* good.
@booti_boi6927
@booti_boi6927 4 года назад
A lot of reactions do have invisible fires, but only because fire is a social construct, and you should support chemical exothermic reactions that don't want to be as colorful as a bright flame
@ethanfuhrman6589
@ethanfuhrman6589 4 года назад
Putting a plug in for Kaukauna, Wisconsin. It has more paper mills per capita than anywhere else on the planet & a pork rendering plant. Smells absolutely vile in the humid midwestern summers.
@musclecat1005
@musclecat1005 4 года назад
Yeah, Wisconsin!
@5508Vanderdekken
@5508Vanderdekken Год назад
fortunately they already know the antidote to the smell - it's drinking
@jacekatalakis8316
@jacekatalakis8316 4 года назад
Lastly, that fuel was methanol. CART (among others) was infamous for this, there's too many instances to list...but here's a few. Robby Gordon, 199 Indy 500, hen your fireproof suit gets burned...it's bad. Rick Mears, 1978-79 Indy 500, Sam Hornish, 2004 Nazareth IRL, did a whole lap of a mile oval IIRC with the car on fire, any CART or IRL pitstop where they blast the car with water, 1998 CART Laguna Seca, major pit fire, cue every crew member hurling buckets of water. It was seemingly mentioned every pit cycle by the anouncers that methanol burned with an invisble flame. Oh and the one that sticks out most to me? Cleveland 1990, Al Unser Jr's infamous pit fire. When you hear people screaming...yeeeah. Also CART did race at Cleveland, which actualy produced some incredibly wild races. The other famous one is from Surfer's Paradise and has AJ Almendinger on fire after apitstop went wrong, circa 2003-2004. So anser, methanol.
@Cynon
@Cynon 4 года назад
The good thing about methanol is that water can extinguish a methanol fire, which is something you absolutely should not do with a gasoline fire. But yeah, as a long-time CART fan, it was neat to hear the announcers talk about how the fuel behaved.
@jacekatalakis8316
@jacekatalakis8316 4 года назад
Man I miss the CART days. You want to try a drinking game. Go from 1979 to CART's demise in 2002, and take a shot every single time methanol or water being used or an invisible flame is mentioned. I'm not responsible if you black out drunk by 2000 however. Was it just me or did it seem like every single race from the 80s onwards methanol fires were discussed at some point? Though on that note, read Steve Olvey's books about being on the safey team, it..yes....mentions methanol fires quite a few times.
@theryo
@theryo 4 года назад
In the navy we're taught the best way to deal with a metal fire, is to lightly mist it with water to cool it down and if that fails dump into the fucking ocean.
@pommunist
@pommunist 4 года назад
Lessons about magnesium race cars took a long time to learn, Jo Schlesser paid the price 13 years later, driving the Honda RA302, on the second lap of the 1968 French Grand Prix. They didn't stop the race that day either.
@elektrikhd
@elektrikhd 3 года назад
My grandfather got stopped for jaywalking in New York City when he was a young man. The cop (I assume one of those old-timey Irish stereotype cops) gave my grandfather a hard time when he said he didn't know what jaywalking was, and asked, incredulously, "don't know what it is? Where are you from?" My grandfather responded, "Baltimore." Which made the cop stop because, apparently, Baltimore was one of the few cities at the time with no jaywalking law at the time. So, he let my grandfather go with a warning. Also, my grandfather is white, so, you know, that probably helped. My grandfather turns 102 this month. This probably happened in fucking 1939. Nobody should be making an issue of someone "jaywalking" anymore, and besides, it was invented in the first place by the auto industry in the 1920s as a bunch of bullshit.
@mikeblatzheim2797
@mikeblatzheim2797 4 года назад
And to think that after this nothing changed and it took nearly 15 years and a very determined Jackie Stewart (after his car ended up in someone's shed) to finally conclude that actually, hay bales and hand signals weren't appropriate in terms of safety. Mercedes were the only ones that day to quit the race (and racing), which just goes to show how much times have changed. Such a large loss of life should have been a wake up call, yet it wasn't. May the spectators and racing drivers who perished that day rest in peace.
@Quintinohthree
@Quintinohthree 4 года назад
You can argue about whether it was what needed to be done, but the next year the entire main straight, pit area and first corner had been changed at Le Mans.
@EndlessEnigmaPart3
@EndlessEnigmaPart3 4 года назад
If anything, the most shocking thing was that this type of thing wasn't more common given the atrocious safety standards. Given the lack of any pit boundary, proper storage of highly flammable material, or crowd safety, the fact that Monza 1961 is the only other comparable incident is kind of remarkable in a horrendously gruesome way
@0Asterite0
@0Asterite0 4 года назад
Hopefully the capitalists there are burning in hell
@mglanzer666
@mglanzer666 4 года назад
33:59 - for everyone not familiar with Imperial units, that's 403 kilofurlongs per fortnight.
@TheScorpionStrike
@TheScorpionStrike 4 года назад
Oh boy! Well There's Your Problem tackling motorsport! I've seen the odd documentary on this disaster and there's one thing that I've heard mentioned a few times that I would like to add: allegedly, part of the reason that the race wasn't shut down was that, if the race was shut down, the spectators might leave en masse and clog up all the surrounding roads in the process, which would keep emergency services from being able to get to the scene. I don't know how true that is, but even if that was the case, it just goes to show how ill-prepared the organizers were for just about anything bad that could have happened...
@botbtquarrel4072
@botbtquarrel4072 4 года назад
When people keep talking about "the fabled 24 hour episode" I don't think this is quite what they meant
@RealRacingRoots
@RealRacingRoots 4 года назад
What I love about the story of the Mercedes CLR flipping in 1999 was that the main car it was racing at the time (the red Toyota) that was in the video of it flipping actually had the aerodynamic development in place to prevent the big flipple from happening. They just made some big honking holes (scientific term) on the inside of the front tires to prevent that massive pressure area in the fenders, which modern Le Mans prototypes are mandated to have now.
@DWOBoyleMusic
@DWOBoyleMusic 4 года назад
For those who don't know "Le Mans" means "The mans".
@itsacorporatething
@itsacorporatething 4 года назад
I dove too deep and got the mans.
@readmorebooksidiots
@readmorebooksidiots 4 года назад
This whole disaster could have been averted if someone just collected their mans
@ClaudiaNW
@ClaudiaNW 3 года назад
Joe Biden will usher in a new era of feminism, so that in this century we can have the Le Womans Disaster
@Yora21
@Yora21 4 года назад
Group B was complete insanity. But after they put a stop to it and seriously revised rally rules, the fatalities in rally racing have dropped massively. The World Rally Championship had 13 deaths in the 80s, and only four in the three decades since, with the last one in 2006.
@slaughterround643
@slaughterround643 4 года назад
I'll never know how people derive enjoyment from the threat/event of a crash like bro that's a life, like fuck
@jonnie2bad
@jonnie2bad 4 года назад
@@slaughterround643 like it wasn't like people like dying like that drew like massive crowds to those like races it was like the pure like unrestricted pursuit of speed and the like superhuman abilities like the drivers like had to have to like drive those like cars like bruh
@MrJimheeren
@MrJimheeren 3 года назад
if you have patreon our friend here did one about Group B
@EmyrDerfel
@EmyrDerfel 10 месяцев назад
RIP Craig Breen 13 April 2023 during a test session before Rally Croatia.
@EmyrDerfel
@EmyrDerfel 10 месяцев назад
Also, 3 deaths in US rally series in 2023: Erin Kelly, Kubo Kordisch, Neil Carlinschauer. The last 3 before this year were 2011, 2003 and 2000.
@rainbowraver666
@rainbowraver666 4 года назад
benzene is mostly bad because it's like the MOST carcinogenic compound people are commonly exposed to, plus its suuuper flammable lol, it also persists in the environment and accumulates which is not good either
@williamchamberlain2263
@williamchamberlain2263 4 года назад
It's got almost all the best attributes possible. Shame there's no good spicy isotopes that could make it ionising as well.
@AlRoderick
@AlRoderick 4 года назад
Technically if you made a benzene ring of all carbon-14 it would be ionizing. Once.
@coreygolphenee9633
@coreygolphenee9633 3 года назад
Its suuuuper flammable why not set it on fire
@jgraaay18
@jgraaay18 4 месяца назад
One of those chemicals that even the petrochemical industry admits has no minimum safe quantity, if I recall correctly.
@henrybangsberg2187
@henrybangsberg2187 4 года назад
The old Nascar rules required a company to sell a certain number of engines to the public before they could put it in a car on the track. The Plymouth Superbird was specifically sold to make it Nascar legal.
@coreygolphenee9633
@coreygolphenee9633 3 года назад
Homologation is good praxis
@EmyrDerfel
@EmyrDerfel 10 месяцев назад
The Lancia Stratos was forced to race as a Group 5 prototype in '72 and '73 rather than the more prestigious Group 4 while they built the required 500 vehicles over 12 months. In October 73, they showed FIA delegate 250 of them, then took him for lunch. The Stratos took the manufacturers championship in '74, '75 and '76. In 76, the production requirement was reduced to 400 in 24 months. Production of the Stratos ended in 75 with 492 built.
@ClaudiaNW
@ClaudiaNW 4 года назад
"Fish" isn't a real phylum. So I guess everything is, and yet is not, a fish.
@AlanCanon2222
@AlanCanon2222 4 года назад
Are you saying there's No Such Thing As a Fish (TM)?
@teslashark
@teslashark 4 года назад
@@AlanCanon2222 Chordates
@ClaudiaNW
@ClaudiaNW 3 года назад
@@teslashark It's a long way from Amphioxus, it's a long way to us...
@cholulahotsauce6166
@cholulahotsauce6166 Год назад
A beaver is a fish according to the catholic church
@sunyavadin
@sunyavadin 4 года назад
I wonder if Alice remembers the smell during the BSE epidemic here in the UK, back when they burned 4 million cows to try and get it under control. That stench hung over some of the towns around where I grew up for a while...
@prjndigo
@prjndigo 4 года назад
Lol. They don't smell as bad if you make sure they're dead first. They avoided using the bolt-gun on them as much as possible since creating pink-mist of the brains of CJD. Dunno why people say "BSE" since that was a symptom not the actual infection.
@HarryS77
@HarryS77 4 года назад
I'm guessing it didn't smell like millions of hamburgers.
@HarryS77
@HarryS77 4 года назад
@@prjndigo Probably the same reason people say "covid" (the disease) instead of SARS-CoV-2 (the virus). We think of epidemics and infected populations in terms of disease.
@colonelgraff9198
@colonelgraff9198 4 года назад
Jesus that sounds like some twisted Minecraft server
@JJmoogle
@JJmoogle 4 года назад
It wasn't until I read this that the smell of the foot and mouth epidemic came back to me, a mixture of chemical disinfect boot washers at every footpath and looming smoke clouds of burning animal piles.
@TheRealE.B.
@TheRealE.B. 4 года назад
I think we might still have to worry about the Brazilian Special Forces. Keep your pistol-armed fishermen at the ready.
@sovietnyc9125
@sovietnyc9125 4 года назад
Is there a similar type of podcast like this, but without the engineering disasters?
@vgg175
@vgg175 2 месяца назад
they do a bunch of random stuff now 😊
@calebschmucker4698
@calebschmucker4698 4 года назад
Racing has actually had a long history of unionization within driving groups because withholding labor to get safety improvements is the only way to drive change. Most racing series have drivers associations that have to sign off on each track pre-race weekend and can request or require changes to the track before a race. Pit crews often form union groups as well to protect their much different safety concerns. NASCAR really is the one exception due to a long history of union busting on behalf of the organizing body. Look into the history of the first race at Talladega and the 1969 Drivers Strike where the race was ran with 3 actual NASCAR cars and a field of lower-series scabs.
@McKeelix
@McKeelix 3 года назад
Can't help but feel bad about all the people who witnessed this crash. Must suck to be horrifically traumatized in a time before mental health awareness.
@michaelkitchin9665
@michaelkitchin9665 4 года назад
A note on the flying Mercedes AMG's: They lifted off because the bodywork of the Merc was very streamlined to a fault. The Mulsanne straight is bumpy, allowing for air to sneak under the car. Providing you're not following someone, that's fine. Unfortunately, it's Le Mans and there will be traffic. On three occasions (Mark Webber twice, Peter Dornbreck once), the car lifted off whilst following in another car's slipstream.
@fidur2
@fidur2 4 года назад
Mark Webber is probably the driver that has been through the most shit without winning anything to show for it. He lift off with the C11 2x and only got shafted by VET at RBR.
@Alex-ok9iu
@Alex-ok9iu 4 года назад
@@fidur2 he also lifted off In that redbull aswell
@ganjiblobflankis6581
@ganjiblobflankis6581 4 года назад
The Mercedes engine ploughed through the seats where my dad's friend's parents would have been seated had the mother not been ill that day. A case of bad luck turning out to be incredibly good.
@allypoum
@allypoum 4 года назад
Way back when I was at school in the early 70s I had a (rare) cool Chemistry teacher who used to reward our (rare) good behaviour by dropping a smidge of magnesium into a flask of water. Always spectacular.
@tbaker3388
@tbaker3388 4 года назад
I got a similar demo in physics (the phy teacher was much cooler than the chem guy), and we got a 3 metal series: Li, Na, then K. It was only the K that he put behind a poly shield.
@DeadWhiteButterflies
@DeadWhiteButterflies 4 года назад
Yeah, that's what I remember, though our teacher put it in a clear tank & let it just do a wild barrel roll across the surface. I was bit baffled when Roz was like, "so they made the car chassis out of magnesium". Which led to me thinking, "Well this won't end well 😮".
@allypoum
@allypoum 4 года назад
@@DeadWhiteButterflies Me too lol.
@JoTheSnoop
@JoTheSnoop 4 года назад
I had a science teacher in my first year of high school (no specialist science subjects until final two years of high school, when science becomes elective subjects), who loved doing anything that explodes etc.
@rubywest5166
@rubywest5166 3 года назад
My chemistry teacher (while teaching another class) Burnt his eyebrows off when he didn't notice a blob of sodium/potassium on the spatula he was cleaning under a tap
@emilyadams3228
@emilyadams3228 2 года назад
In 1863, Nadar took the first underground photos in the Paris sewers, when a construction crew digging the tunnel ran into an early Christian catacomb. He set up the camera by the usual candlelight, and for the esposure, unrolled magnesium wire down the whole length of the area in frame, and lit it. Keep in mind, the speed of a wet collodion plate was about ASA 2 in modern terms, if exposed while still wet. So the sewer tunnel doubled as a darkroom, as wet plates were normally prepared by candlelight. So if thin magnesium wire burns hot and bright enough to light up a cave full of bones on a plate so slow you can see it while coating it and still not ruin it, imagine a burning magnesium Mercedes.
@AlRoderick
@AlRoderick 4 года назад
Touring cars around an oval track is basically demolition derby.
@shaynequessy1045
@shaynequessy1045 3 года назад
"oh, we'll get to that" is my favourite quote from this podcast. love the show first time long time blah blah blah, you guys help me get through my shifts at a recycling plant that refuses to operate like it should.
@thecatwithatophat4069
@thecatwithatophat4069 4 года назад
Only an hour and a half, who are you and what have you done with the real Well There's Your Problem.
@alexroselle
@alexroselle 4 года назад
Le Mans has also inspired a parody race called "24 Hours of Lemons" using beater cars with a $500 price limit: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/24_Hours_of_LeMons
@kinew9212
@kinew9212 4 года назад
Brooklyn Kimi Raikkonen is such a powerful energy and I love it.
@kinew9212
@kinew9212 4 года назад
Ayy you mook I'm BWAH-ing here!
@rubywest5166
@rubywest5166 3 года назад
@@kinew9212 I'm having a shit over here!
@simonwest9450
@simonwest9450 4 года назад
39:30 I believe it was an episode of CSI Miami. A guy in a pit crew gets murdered by his suit being deliberately doused in a chemical which reacts with some other chemicals, basically burning to death without flames
@greenefieldmann3014
@greenefieldmann3014 4 года назад
This episode has certainly answered a question I've had for a while. In the Swedish military, there's a high temperature incendiary charge called an "electron bomb." I'd always assumed its name had been the result of some sort of misunderstanding, but, no, the device's *actual reactive component* is apparently used as a structural material for madmen's race cars.
@Quintinohthree
@Quintinohthree 4 года назад
I have looked nothing up. Do you mean magnesium?
@greenefieldmann3014
@greenefieldmann3014 4 года назад
@@Quintinohthree It's a family of magnesium alloys. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elektron_(alloy)
@jbarbeau92
@jbarbeau92 4 года назад
The worst smelling city I’ve been to, if we aren’t including towns that smell like manure from raising livestock, was Washington DC in the summer.
@prjndigo
@prjndigo 4 года назад
You've obviously not been North of Valdosta GA towards the end of summer. It smells like everybody tried to clear their open sewer toilets with cheap bowl cleaner.
@HarryS77
@HarryS77 4 года назад
San Fransisco can smell pretty ripe in summer. Especially when there's a drought. www.sfweekly.com/news/the-drought-is-making-sfs-poop-problem-worse/
@michaelkitchin9665
@michaelkitchin9665 4 года назад
Middlesbrough. Admittedly, it was 20 years ago so the chemical plants might've died down. Also, I walked behind a brewery in Newcastle once and that was .... troubling.
@Bisquick
@Bisquick 4 года назад
This makes sense...and is in keeping with William Henry Harrison's assassin: shitwater.
@volatilesky
@volatilesky 4 года назад
I don't recall many calories being terrible from what I remember if driving across the US and Canada (just the usual urine/effluent/exhaust/steel/concrete smell most cities have). Chilliwack BC Canada was the worst in the summer for cow feed lots mixed with rotting cabbage in the summer. Though I'm sure there's someplace in the US with a massive pig farm that's worse than anywhere mentioned yet. Tons of paper and pulp mills, strangely I kinda like the smell.
@AdmiralSenn
@AdmiralSenn 3 года назад
Roz impersonating Kimi as a local union member damn near killed me.
@mrpieceofwork
@mrpieceofwork 4 года назад
There's a feed lot in the middle of the central valley of California that can make you pass out if you breath in enough of the stench as you pass by. I can not imagine working/living there at all. Shit, maybe no one does, and the cows have merely stumbled upon a closed system that will be running for rest of all time. IDK
@pamdemonia
@pamdemonia 4 года назад
The worst part of that is how long your going past. And the fact that it smells cuz of massive cow death.
@fishyface3940
@fishyface3940 4 года назад
Special shout out to Bridgwater Somerset which used to permanently stink of rotten eggs due to the cellophane factory. Great episode as always.
@scarylion1roar
@scarylion1roar 4 года назад
Wouldn't "Le Pieds" be a more appropriate name for a car race where they start by running with their feet to the cars?
@AlRoderick
@AlRoderick 4 года назад
Maybe, but you do start with your hand clutching a wall.
@GoredonTheDestroyer
@GoredonTheDestroyer Год назад
Just to clarify - the Mercedes that Liam talks about at around the 24:45 mark wasn't the Mercedes CLK-GTR, it was the similarly named but entirely unrelated Mercedes _CLR._ The CLK-GTR/LM was built to FIA GT1 spec, while the CLR was built to LMGTP (Le Mans GT Prototype) spec. The CLK, as far as we're aware, wasn't attending tryouts for the Luftwaffe in '97-'98.
@VRSVLVS
@VRSVLVS 4 года назад
Ahw, I had hoped you had put the "Rotterdam Metro whale tail" in the God damn news.
@HewleyxAngel
@HewleyxAngel 4 года назад
The magnesium thing just reminds me of the one time I tried cooking in my freshman year of college in upstate Pennsylvania and the pasta water literally started sparking. Sadly not a workplace failure so not a real safety third worthy story.
@deeznoots6241
@deeznoots6241 4 года назад
You were employing your own services as a cook
@prjndigo
@prjndigo 4 года назад
I was using a micro to heat water to pour down a towel for humidity in my dorm room in Valdosta in 1991/'92 and after a while the towel became very dirty and crusty. Turns out the water there is some of the worst in the US.
@communisttrash8590
@communisttrash8590 3 года назад
Gotta love PA
@henryefry
@henryefry 4 года назад
I row on the cuyahoga river in Cleveland. It's not the cleanest river on good days, the steel mill is a good place to stop for a rest because the steel mill warms up the water especially nice on cold March mornings. It's not super polluted but still not great. Just like Roz we got to experience combined sewer overflow events. The most dangerous thing is the great lake freighters going up the river to the steel mill. Think the edmund fitzgerald, but the river is only 20 ft wider than the freighters so so have to hug the bank and hope you don't get caught in the turbulence of the propellers. They also kick up crap from the bottom of the river making it all the more gross. The worst is when the people around mess up and splash water on you especially when you're breathing hard and water lands in your mouth but you can't stop to rinse it out.
@welltheresyourproblempodca1465
@welltheresyourproblempodca1465 4 года назад
i knew someone in college who rowed on the cuyahoga and i could not fathom it
@musclecat1005
@musclecat1005 4 года назад
Is that the river that caught fire?
@henryefry
@henryefry 3 года назад
@@musclecat1005 yep
@SillyVixen420
@SillyVixen420 Год назад
20:01 Indy accidentally winning the Le Mans while running away from Nazis is such a missed opportunity.
@MatthewSmith-sz1yq
@MatthewSmith-sz1yq Год назад
Phoenix smells amazing whenever it rains, because you get that awesome post-rain desert smell. You know that smell when you open a really old book that hasn't been opened for years? Its kind of like that, but even better. Granted, outside of monsoon season it rains like once every 3 months, so it doesn't smell great beyond that.
@wolight
@wolight 4 года назад
"We'll save that for our Byford Dolphin episode" Oh fuck no that is every single one of my nightmares
@Legault397
@Legault397 3 года назад
The US Navy's firefighting training for dealing with aircraft on fire (so burning magnesium and aluminum) is pretty much "use whatever means are available to push the affected aircraft off the side of the ship and move away from it" which really tells you a lot about how ridiculously difficult to put out those fires are.
@beemccouch
@beemccouch 4 года назад
I'm poor. My cars engine got completely fucked today. I can't afford an engine or a new car rn. Really down today. Then I saw this in my feed. Thank you, guys and gal.
@ClaudiaNW
@ClaudiaNW 3 года назад
Do you have a PayPal? I can't fund a new car but I can at least send you $30 or so, if it's any help.
@severalwolves
@severalwolves 4 года назад
Buffalo has a pretty rad smell profile: a General Mills plant just south of downtown ensures that nostalgic gusts of Lucky Charms intermittently punctuate the lingering, rancid default of rust, grease, and bleu cheese :D
@SlobberyPantsu
@SlobberyPantsu 4 года назад
I used to live in the Texas panhandle and there was a cow plant in a town called Hereford. The shit wind from that town carried like 50 miles over to ours every once in while, and every time someone would smell it they would say “well there’s Hereford”
@de-fault_de-fault
@de-fault_de-fault 2 года назад
39:37 a year later and probably been addressed but Alice is thinking of methanol, which was deemed preferable to gasoline as a racing fuel in the US because you can extinguish a methanol fire with water, and the lack of visible smoke and flame made it easier for rescuers to see what was happening and easier for other drivers to avoid hitting whatever was burning. The tradeoff, though, was that it doesn’t burn bright enough to see the flame in daylight, so you sometimes see footage from the Indy 500 or other Indy car races where buckets of water are flying on the pits and guys are freaking out like they’re on fire but it also looks like they’re not. This started in the 1960s and continued until the 2000s when “ethanol is going to solve our energy problems” interests got involved as sponsors and they switched to ethanol with just enough methanol to make it undrinkable for tax purposes. Eventually that got replaced with E85 because neither of those alcohols had enough oil in them.
@dejjal8683
@dejjal8683 4 года назад
You should smell Krakow in the winter when all coal and wood burning stoves are running. For me the worst smelling city was New York, nothing beats the smell of a million diesel exhaust pipes mixed with as many fried chicken places and delivered to your nose when it's 100 F with 85% humidity.
@oldmanramblingatclouds
@oldmanramblingatclouds 4 года назад
Holy shit, Justin, that was a hell of a bad break. Here's to hoping you get better, dude!
@GigasGMX
@GigasGMX 4 года назад
I like how everyone is pronouncing Jaguar wrong. It’s jag-waar. (This is actually probably a regional thing and I’m southern)
@the_cosine4353
@the_cosine4353 4 года назад
I'm Pacific Northwest, I pronounce it the same way
@23Scadu
@23Scadu 4 года назад
it's actually jog-ooer
@jbkjbk1999
@jbkjbk1999 3 года назад
yag-oo-ar
@ClaudiaNW
@ClaudiaNW 4 года назад
1:08:30: Lieutenant Caldwell-Kelly has the bridge of the USS Problem while the captain and first officer are in the head.
@joshuahadams
@joshuahadams 9 месяцев назад
It’d absolutely be an ancient _Miranda_ that’s basically a space jalopy
@rubywest5166
@rubywest5166 3 года назад
Fun fact on the Le Mans Start- It's widely considered to have ended after Jacky Ickx won after calmly walking to his car and doing up his harness in prostest, the same race a driver died from not doing that. Jacky Ickx was also in the "Jackie Stewart is a fucking Pussy" crowd on F1 safety. Even he thought the Le Mans start was bullshit.
@liocla2331
@liocla2331 4 года назад
My grandfather with my great-grandfather were there, luckily they were on the other side, on the safe side of the racetrack. Needless to say, it’s not something they talk(ed) much about.
@20110102
@20110102 Год назад
56:05 Alice mentioned the distraction of the magnesium fire burning while the race continued. When Jo Schlesser died in a magnesium bodied F1 car (1968) drivers reported the smell of burnt flesh/meat lingered on that corner for several laps.
@DeadWhiteButterflies
@DeadWhiteButterflies 4 года назад
I can actually legit imagine a wacky Indiana Jones sequence, where he's chasing a guy who has info on an artifact, but accidentally ends up participating in the Le Man's race & wins unwittingly. Would be kinda tight, I think.
@ArninoStorm
@ArninoStorm 4 года назад
Learn geography through Europa Universalis! The province of Maine is the start of a war between England and France when you start a game through the "Surrender of Maine" event.
@henrycurtis3652
@henrycurtis3652 4 года назад
it's da maine event
@ArninoStorm
@ArninoStorm 4 года назад
@@henrycurtis3652 you, you I like
@Galileo430
@Galileo430 2 года назад
So, a quite a few years ago now I volunteered to do pit lane fire safety for a major historic car race. I had done pit lane work for modern cars but historics had some extra instructions. The head fire marshal game me the following instructions. Instruction #1, the cars with a A next to to their numbers were methanol cars. Methanol burns clear so if you walk up to the car and suddenly feel burning pain, you're on fire, act accordingly. Also, you better have a water extinguisher because CO2 won't do shit on a methanol fire. Instruction #2, the bright silver cars, which are called out on the radio are magnesium. Use powder to get the driver out, but otherwise stand back. This is when the head fire marshal pointed to a bright silver car with a A on it. That's a magnesium car running methanol. You need a purple K fire extinguisher for that one. We don't have one, so if that car catches fire, run away.
@willklemm509
@willklemm509 4 года назад
Chicago's name in the local Native America tribe's language is literally "stinking cabbage". I've been there many many times , downtown smells like if you could imagine a lightly roasted garbage dumpster. Also I'd totally love to guest for Safety Thirds that involve UPS and other places I've worked.
@prjndigo
@prjndigo 4 года назад
This is a fallacy. A lie. A fabrication. Downtown Chicago *is* a lightly roasted and freezer-burned garbage dumpster. AND its covered in bird-shit.
@HarryS77
@HarryS77 4 года назад
@@prjndigo Boomer double space.
@kingofthemoon3063
@kingofthemoon3063 4 года назад
I love my home city of Stinky Butt.
@whym6438
@whym6438 4 года назад
Meanwhile, the suburbs (where I'm from) smell like skunk, on account of all the skunks being hit by cars out here. Also, speaking of etymology, I read somewhere that the original native Algonquian word was "skwunk", which might be one of my favorite words in any language.
@willklemm509
@willklemm509 4 года назад
@@whym6438 i know the area you speak of. Many times driving down 80/94 I've smelt that dead skunk area...
@AnonyDave
@AnonyDave 4 года назад
I'm sure it's already been pointed out, but the scary invisible fire Alice is thinking of is a methanol fire. One of the reasons methanol is banned in most motorsports, the other probably being that "hey, it's alcohol and let's drink it! Hey, where'd you go?!? Oh no, I'm blind!"
@ant4812
@ant4812 Год назад
Benzene used to be added to petrol/gasoline quite often in the old days. It's one of the "aromatics". Those are added to the petrol to increase its octane rating, allowing the engine to use higher compression ratios without detonation occuring.
@EvocativeKitsune
@EvocativeKitsune 4 года назад
I've lived near Le Mans for most of my life. Always crazy around race time.
@jacekatalakis8316
@jacekatalakis8316 4 года назад
Speaking of harnesses, the story goes Jackie Oliver (I believe it was him anyhow) was steering with his knees doing up his safety harnesses. Yes, Pierre Levegh nearly won Le Mans in 52 driving on his own for 23 hours which led to Mercdes getting interested in him as well.
@thousandislandstare6924
@thousandislandstare6924 3 года назад
*10 years from now* Welcome to Well There’s your Problem, a podcast about engineering disasters. With slides. That is recorded in a convoy of tour cars. Today we’re covering the Tacoma Narrow Bridge Disaster.
@JohnThelin
@JohnThelin 4 года назад
You keep saying that Alice's other podcast is called "trash future", when it's called "trashfuture". Not the same thing at all. I almost didn't find it because of this.
@mulad
@mulad 4 года назад
Uh oh, I thought "jagwyre" was just an annoying California pronunciation...
@prjndigo
@prjndigo 4 года назад
First time I heard it I thought it was referring to a Ford's wiring harness. Jiggs and Jaggs all over the place.
@slaughterround643
@slaughterround643 4 года назад
It's still annoying, just not exclusive to Cali.
@rebeccatrishel
@rebeccatrishel 4 года назад
That's how we say it in America
@mulad
@mulad 4 года назад
@@rebeccatrishel No
@raritania7581
@raritania7581 4 года назад
@@rebeccatrishel No it's not.
@oliviabeck6660
@oliviabeck6660 5 месяцев назад
I would like to correct the record about Greely, CO. It does not smell like cow shit. It smells like rotting cow carcus from the JBS meet processing facility in the town. While the two smells are similar, they are not the same.
@brandonabc2022
@brandonabc2022 4 года назад
This channel is great. I live in the Philadelphia area and your answering a lot of questions I’ve asked myself. Thx guys. Definitely subscribeing.
@Tomartyr
@Tomartyr Год назад
31:27 While Liam's doing his armchair general thing I'm just gonna say check the ratio: No. of German POWs captured: UK: 3,600,000 USA: 3,000,000 No. of German POWs killed: UK: 21,000 USA: 22,000 No. of military deaths: UK: 383,700 USA: 407,000 But yeah thanks for the help though, glad you guys were able to actually play a significant role in that world war.
@brentb5303
@brentb5303 4 года назад
Engine block beats human every day of the week and twice on Sunday.
@deeznoots6241
@deeznoots6241 4 года назад
I think i could fight a small two stroke engine
@prjndigo
@prjndigo 4 года назад
I've a 16lbs pick axe that strongly disagrees. Professional advice; If I don't think it's safe for me to pull out into traffic yet don't sit behind me honking the horn of a ricer. Almost made the news that day, not like back in 1995 when I got an anchorperson fired for calling me a 'hitman'.
@slaughterround643
@slaughterround643 4 года назад
@@prjndigo engines don't have fists, idiot.
@patrick6350
@patrick6350 4 года назад
@@slaughterround643 Ummm, ever heard of the fistons? They're pretty important parts of an engine.
@ShuRugal
@ShuRugal 5 месяцев назад
@1:30 - holy shit, thank you! i lived in phoenix for ten years, and the place is a shithole. "but it's a dry heat!" - doesn't matter, it's 110+F for six months of the year, being dry just means it kills you faster. "but desert flora is so pretty!" okay, and that desert fauna also primarily pollinates by means of "fill the air with yellow dust", because there is not enough mobile insect life for most of it to reliably pollinate via other means. Then, because it is so dry, that pollen stays in the air year-round, so it's always allergy season. There's nothing you can do in Phoenix that you can't do in any other US city. The only differences are that water costs more, the climate is always trying to kill you, and there are millions of people who've never lived there who want to tell you how amazing it is.
@johncenaversusthings8452
@johncenaversusthings8452 4 года назад
yes good i like this podcast ; new episode means more gooder in my life
@jbkjbk1999
@jbkjbk1999 3 года назад
The beer can snap is one of my favourite aspects of this show
@prjndigo
@prjndigo 4 года назад
OMG what an appropriate topic! Something flies off track, crashes and explodes and y'all just keep on going like nothing happened! It's like a metaphor, allegory, simile for Liam's driving! XD
@tompraska6858
@tompraska6858 6 месяцев назад
I thought this was going to be a generic morning show discussion. To my surprise and delight you actually went into the chemistry and provided the best explanation to this disaster I’ve seen! Great job, boys!
@CallmeLarry2
@CallmeLarry2 4 года назад
The worst city for smell in NZ is Rotorua because of all the geothermal activity. Nothing but sulphur my guys.
@1121494
@1121494 4 года назад
Tacoma Narrows Bridge next episode?! Looking forward to that very much, again.
@RAWDernison1
@RAWDernison1 3 года назад
They didn't stop the race to prevent the public from leaving early, that would block all the roads for ambulances.
@whoever6458
@whoever6458 3 года назад
Haha, you put up the periodic table right when I was looking at the one I have on my wall. Yay, chemistry!
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