WHO do Pilots PREFER and WHY?! Airbus vs Boeing

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The Airbus vs Boeing debate has now been raging for decades. Not just between the manufacturers but also the pilots who fly them.
Boeing pilots claim that they fly ‘real’ aircraft, while Airbus pilots point towards their comfy seats and tray tables with a smug smile on their face!
BUT which company makes the safest planes and is there really a difference? Let’s find out!
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Below you will find the links to videos and sources used in this episode.
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#A350 XWB - New Touch Screens Cockpit Displays
“Family flight” - Five Airbus A350 XWBs together in flight
A320 Celebrating 30 years of success
A350 XWB first flight - best of 14 June 2013
Airbus widebody family flight with the A350 XWB, A380 and A330
Farnborough Airshow 2024 - Highlights
Learning is fun: Introduction to MinutePhysics’ Airbus visit
Paris Air Show 2013: Avionics and A350 cockpit workshop
Paris Airshow 2023 - JetBlue A321LR Cabin
Peter Chandler visits the A350 XWB cockpit
777-9 Practice Flight
Boeing 747-8 performs ultimate rejected takeoff
Boeing 777, from A to B
Boeing 777x: Long Folding Wings Based On Flying Birds For Greater Fuel Economy
Boeing 787-10 Dreamliner and 737 MAX 9 Fly Together in Dramatic Display
Final 747 departs Boeing
Flying on 787's first flight to Japan
See the Boeing 777-9 from a Bird's Eye View
The Beauty of Boeing’s 787-9 Dreamliner on Display
What Happened To The Boeing 747?
GE Aviation On Wing Support - Keeping You Flying
A special flight from L.A. to Amsterdam | Cockpit Tales | KLM
[REAL ATC] Brickyard SUFFERS TRIM RUNAWAY | CONTROL ISSUES at Atlanta
Air France flight 447 crash details
From the archives: 2009 "Miracle on the Hudson" plane landing
United - Career Spotlight Series: Aircraft Maintenance Technicians
NOVA: Crash of Flight 447 - PBS
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@MentourNow 9 часов назад

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@ArchimedesDaVinci 3 часа назад

Captain Hornfeldt, why do you refer to aviation maintenance technicians and aircraft mechanics as *_"engineers"_* ? Is it because in your native Swedish language there doesn't exist separate words or terminology in the Swedish vocabulary to distinguish between the two different professions of aerospace engineers and A&P mechanics ?

@Uldihaa 4 часа назад

Boeing: pilot has ultimate authority. Also Boeing: MCAS

@AnetaMihaylova-d6f 4 часа назад

Yes last 10 years or so Boeing has been shit really

@dantetre 4 часа назад

Money Comes Above Safety.

@BubblesTheCat1 4 часа назад

MCAS=May Crash Anytime Soon 😮

@Alexanderius 4 часа назад

@@dantetre Brilliant!

@jayanspaliwal5907 4 часа назад

@@dantetre You really dived nose down into the issue

@jakeschroeder1553 4 часа назад

New MentourPilot video idea: Petter flies an A320 sim and takes us along!

@marybarry2230 3 часа назад

I was just about to say the same thing! Would love to see him fly an Airbus!

@PanosDim11 3 часа назад

I agree it would be a nice video idea... Go for it Peter!

@clairegrube429 5 часов назад

An overlooked difference IMHO is the cockpit layout philosophy (consistent color coding on flight instruments, arrangement and design of pushbuttons and system groups, "dark cockpit" philosophy etc.) is really well thought through at Airbus. They studied the human factor very well when designing the A320 human/machine interface and it still shows and is consitant till the A350. If you look at Boing cockpits, you can see a rather confusing arrangement of buttons and indications seeminly random and unintutive compared to Airbus.

@jonathanhernandez4304 4 часа назад

I've read reports on cockpit layout philosophy but I have not taken the time to compare. I will look at this. Very informative comment!

@Blank00 4 часа назад

@@clairegrube429 a consistent color coding and arrangement of buttons does not make things safer. One button can be mistaken for an adjacent button or a button of the same color.

@clairegrube429 4 часа назад

@@Blank00 An intuitive human/machine interface reduces the mental load in phases of high stress e.g. because of an abnomal situation. This can indeed be a safety factor in such cases.

@memeswithoutcontext4716 4 часа назад

Boeing pilot here, jeah thats objektively a fair point... but to be honest compared to Airbus, Boeing has less cockpit control confusion incidents most likely due to its organic design. For example the throttle quadrant with its controls... Cheers.

@roquemocan 3 часа назад

Porsche did the design of the Airbus cockpit originally

@JoeAchilles1 4 часа назад

Aside from the 737 Max where Boeing didn't want pilots to have ultimate control. 🙄

@danharold3087 4 часа назад

Actually that is not correct. MCAS was intended as a Maneuvering Control Augmentation System. It was supposed to make the airplane feel like the 737 NG not take away control from the pilots. The errors on this system are so outrageous that I expect it was not done by control system professionals.

@Infiltator2 4 часа назад

@@danharold3087 Which is not ultimate control anyways

@Gaferr-r4r 3 часа назад

Yes it is ultimate control once you turn the stab trim off!!!

@bocahdongo7769 3 часа назад

@@danharold3087you describe what "not in ultimate control" is

@mikezappulla4092 3 часа назад

@@bocahdongo7769no one is going to debate this with you. You clearly don’t know what you’re talking about and just want to argue and ask such a silly question.

@tomstravels520 5 часов назад

If there's one things I've spotted it's that it's far more common for Airbus to trickle down their new technologies from the newer aircraft to their older ones and offer as retrofit. For example the Back Up Speed Scale first introduced in the A380 was added to the A320/A330/A340 a few years later and can be retrofitted to older aircraft, when the A350 used the new DBUS and enhanced speed monitoring system, the A320/A330 soon got a modified version of that. To this day only the 787 has an equivalent version.

@musiqtee 3 часа назад

Certainly agree, but have an inkling that this may be a practical difference - not just “unwillingness” on Boeing’s part (caveats for last decade+ corporate shenanigans)… The Airbus is (as you and Petter mention) both modular and mainly digital (bus-based) in communications between the cockpit IF/UX and the functional units in the bay. That way, some retrofits may (!) be more a software and sensor change, running and being displayed within the existing process-units and displays. The B737 - the oldest airframe still in production - these retrofits become convoluted for practical reasons. The sad outcome from “larger engines -> MCAS” is an example, whereas the A32x is aging, but still new in comparison. New engines were less different to the original ones. Check out the original B737-200 low bypass engine mounts, engineered only a decade (plus) after some very “creative” airliners… (I’m 58, about the same as the original B737. Retrofitting “my systems” makes me very unreliable…😂)

@connorbnjgg67754 4 часа назад

As an American with Boeing stock, I think Airbus is better.

@Sanginius23 4 часа назад

Doing a Video like this without mentioning MCAS once is quite an accomplishment...

@MentourNow 4 часа назад

Stay tuned...

@lillithyukiutacrow2532 3 часа назад

@@MentourNowthat has got to be the most nervous looking peice of text I've seen this month...

@fsclips 3 часа назад

I fly the A320 and we have quite a few former 737 pilots in the fleet. Not one of them would ever go back. The Bus is way more comfortable, it is quieter and supports its pilots way more. After a 12 hour shift with 4 sectors on an A320 you will be tired, but on a 737 you are done and have to hope that you don't fall asleep on the drive back home. I guess when it comes to 777 and 787 it's different, but between the A320 and the 737 there is no contest. It's not even close.

@charlesbruggmann7909 2 часа назад

@@fsclips v interesting. I wonder if Petrr will respond?

@kevintaylor31 4 часа назад

Oh boy you've opened a can of worms here! As an engineer I'm going to say Airbus. I've worked on Boeings from the 707 right up to the present day's 787 I helped build and maintain Airbus' from the A300 up to the present day's A350. The build quality of Airbus and the way that the company just makes incremental design improvemants along with the way the flight deck layout is what edges it for me. Oh! That and the truly awful build quality of Boeing jets today. I've never seen such a poorly constructed aircraft as the B787 before and the Avionics architechture is just insane. Why so many computers, so many electonics that the aircraft's electronics need liquid cooling, unlike the Airbus with two computers and a conventional cooling system. As for the paint (Or lack of it) on the wings of the Boeing 787!!! No more words needed.

@glynnetolar4423 2 часа назад

Yes, the efficiency of Airbus. You only need 2 computers to kill people. Well, there are documented cases of where the computers decided the pilots were wrong and crashed the plane. So...

@jagjordi 3 часа назад

Boeing pilot: we fly the aircraft MCAS: excuse me?

@XD-ql2kr 2 часа назад

Just switch stab trim off

@SEOTeamBerlin 5 часов назад

in the recent years, Boeing seems to have more safety issues, several ex-engineers published some severe whistle-blows - and I very much like that you mention the source videos in the description 👍

@gRocketOne 4 часа назад

> Gen 4 are considerably safer than earlier designs ... ... and all 737s (including the MAX) are Gen 3 aircraft. Hmmm

@Blex_040 3 часа назад

Good point, I would assume that Airbus has a higher percentage of Gen 4 aircraft in the air than Boeing because Boeing refuses to part with the 737 design even after more than half a century...

@renaudcharlet 2 часа назад

That is the big issue. Being aircraft systems, flight control or alarm system, the 737 is an aircraft from the 60's. And this has an impact on safety.

@AnetaMihaylova-d6f 2 часа назад

@renaudcharlet yes I thought they will build new plane after 2010 but they did not

@ravennightingale1260 4 часа назад

Hilarious for Boeing to say "the pilots have authority" in light of MCAS flying their planes into the ground regardless of pilot input

@AnetaMihaylova-d6f 4 часа назад

That was before MCAS crashes

@kenbrown2808 4 часа назад

it would be a valid argument, except that the pilots regained control by switching the powered trim off, and then lost control again, by switching it back on. which is not to say that the 737 MAX program wasn't an unforced error.

@ABDULLAH-789-h2d 2 часа назад

mcas is fixed now.pilots now have authority

@AnetaMihaylova-d6f 2 часа назад

@@ABDULLAH-789-h2d tell that to 346 people who lost their lives

@Adrian_152 4 часа назад

If you would have asked that any aviation fanboy 20 years ago, Boeing and both Airbus, nowadays, it's only Airbus sadly due to all Boeing leadership culture changes in the past decades

@FrancisFjordCupola 3 часа назад

There was that point where Mentour went hint hint. I would not be surprised if he soon got an Airbus type rating.

@richardf.4023 3 часа назад

In a perfect world, you would take the benefits of both systems and combine them. Like an Airbus with active side sticks or a Boeing with Airbus protections.

@TommyRaines 3 часа назад

You mean a BoBus ?

@robelteshome1544 3 часа назад

I was thinking of Airing 😅

@robelteshome1544 3 часа назад

Or Airing?😂

@Blueteddy-kq1pj 4 часа назад

Flown both, 10000 hrs on the Airbus and 7000 on Boeing including lamentable Max. If 737’s were fridges they would have been banned years ago. Airbus for my money are way more impressive, the cockpit’s are quiet, roomy and well thought out with a great operating philosophy. Many note the static thrust levers are a hazard but because Airbus FMA’s are rigorously called out and acknowledged the operating loop is tight. Protections are brilliant, windshear full back stick and Toga power the jet will look after you as with all the other potential pilot cockpit ups. Most of the Boeings I flew were powerful and had good lift but goodness the cockpits were messy and some (737) noisy and manuals were complete gobbledygook’ flaps are not down they are not up? What?

@charlesbruggmann7909 2 часа назад

@@Blueteddy-kq1pj Fascinating comment. I had heard of the quieter cockpit in the Airbus before. Surely massively important for any flight beyond 90mins?

@Blank00 5 часов назад

Airbus: pilot error is unavoidable Boeing: computer error is unavoidable

@anotheruser9876 4 часа назад

Europe: eggs shouldn't be washed to prevent salmonella poisoning. America: eggs should be washed to prevent salmonella poisoning.

@Sonny_McMacsson 3 часа назад

@@anotheruser9876 Me: Eggs

@charlesbruggmann7909 3 часа назад

@@anotheruser9876 Not quite: eggs must be washed and refrigerated. Then the US refuses to collect and publish sufficient data to allow for comparisons.

@FrancisFjordCupola 3 часа назад

Take 100 computers and 100 humans. Now let them compute something like the total of the first 100 prime numbers. Who can compute faster and is less error prone? Hardware issues are usually related to sensors and not to the computer. "Computer error" is often faulty sensors or software error... and the software is written by humans. Computers are way much more reliable than humans. It's not even on the same scale.

@TheGerudan 3 часа назад

While both is not fully true, I think past accidents have shown that pilots generally make a lot more mistakes than computers. Then again: You need pilots most, when something goes so wrong, that the computer becomes somewhat helpless in the first place. So having a lot of computers to look over what the pilot is doing and even intervene is correct in my opinion. It still means you need good pilots for exactly the situations in which something is so damaged or goes so wrong, that the computer can't act anymore.

@Lo0ooo 5 часов назад

If it's Boeing, I ain't going

@reactions_with_will 4 часа назад

I don't blame you

@Yeet09 4 часа назад

*i am

@reactions_with_will 3 часа назад

@@Yeet09 he's not wrong, for not trusting Boeing

@christianbuczko1481 3 часа назад

The problem with boeing isnt design, its manufacturing quality assurance. That includes testing new products, that is also lacking.

@purrple.shadows 2 часа назад

In some cases it's also design that is at fault.

@pavelastashkin3530 4 часа назад

There is one more thing, that wasn't mentioned. The assembly quality or production culture. It doesn't matter how great the feature is when it isn't working. I've flown both Airbus and multiple Boeings, as well as the Embraer and others. And from that perspective, the overall thoughts are not quite matching.

@PsRohrbaugh 4 часа назад

Vlog of you getting an airbus type rating?

@MentourNow 4 часа назад

Thank you! I'm not sure about that, but never say never!

@MutheiM_Marz 3 часа назад

In Military Aviation they also do the Airbus approach. Many US made fighter, pilot is manager. In a fight, they want pilot to focus on the target so many things are done by computer.

@PICubing 4 часа назад

If you are giving accident examples for Airbus, do the same for Boeing. There's many accidents where the Airbus's control systems saved the pilots and passengers.

@MentourNow 4 часа назад

I gave an accident example for Airbus, then I mentioned a case where a Boeing (777) got too slow, and explained why that cannot happen in an Airbus. Wasn't that OK?

@Faraonqa 3 часа назад

he's invested into flying Boeing 😂

@r0dani3lb 3 часа назад

The incident with Wizz Air was actually an amazing example of how the Airbus systems saved the whole plane and crew

@justvid366 2 часа назад

@@r0dani3lb yeah, exactly. Had it been Boeing, they would be done. Airbus saved them.

@mediocreman2 2 часа назад

@PICubing Did you even watch the video?

@der.Schtefan 4 часа назад

One can always use a MSFS 2020 Fenix A320 to start, and then simply pay couple hundred euros for a real Lufthansa A320 sim (they even do sim sessions for people without any flying experience) in either MUC, FRA, or BER. A great Xmas gift, btw.

@justvid366 2 часа назад

Regardless the topic, could you share your workout routine and the overall conditioning approach?

@tjsynkral 5 часов назад

I think the statistics would favor Bombardier/Canadair and Embraer actually! They have an incredible safety record.

@Paqza 5 часов назад

Embraer, too

@yeeeaaahmayneee3808 5 часов назад

I would always pick embraer

@knabbagluon 4 часа назад

Airbus and Boeing fly way more planes.

@U5mR 4 часа назад

how many airbus/boing per any of those?

@Caprimulga 4 часа назад

maybe less reputable airlines prefere boeings and airbuses, as in most cases it's not the manufacturer fault, but inconpetence of airlines (except double MAX drop)

@dcxplant 3 часа назад

This is highly relevant in my case. 12 years on Boeing 737, 757/767, and 7 years left seat in the A320 series. For the narrow body, Airbus 100% all-day every day. Widebody my company has Boeing only after they canceled an A350 order. I am staying on the A320 series because I simply do not want to fly with a big yoke anymore.

@MentourNow 3 часа назад

Thanks for that feedback!

@charlesbruggmann7909 2 часа назад

@@dcxplant Any idea why your company doesn’t want A350?

@LTLGamer1 3 часа назад

One thing to note: the pilot who suggested that sidesticks should be used on the A320 was a British pilot named Gordon Corps. He was the Airbus investigator who died during the investigation of Thai 311 due to altitude sickness at Nepal.

@beuvue 4 часа назад

Bombardier C-Serie has fly-by-wire and protection laws like Airbus, but also the throttles feedback like Boeing. It doesn't have joystick feedback because the technology is not mature enough. But we can expect the next generation of aircraft to have full fly-by-wire control with force feedback. Then we can say bye-bye 737 Max and its "grandfathering" rule. Now, no matter what's the technology, a badly screwed bolt or a bug in a programmed line of code will screw up everything. Quality comes first.

@MentourNow 3 часа назад

"Active sidesticks", as they're apparently called, already exist for some business jets and I think Embraer's new military cargo plane, too. The Russian MC-21 would have had active sidesticks too (made by the same company in France that makes Airbus sidesticks) were it not for the war in Ukraine. They will definitely be part of all future airliners, I think... although technically at least Boeings with fly-by-wire have artificial feel in their yokes, which is "active" in the same sense, except of course that the two yokes are linked mechanically. Check out my previous video on sidesticks for more on this, if you like!

@mediocreman2 2 часа назад

We've had force feedback joysticks for computer gaming for decades. I'm sure they can figure out how to do it on airplanes.

@mog0 4 часа назад

Video says safety stats between modern aircraft from both companies are about the same, but by the definition of modern given, most Boeings AREN'T Modern, ie 737. I'd be interested to see comparison between A320 and B737.

@Blank00 4 часа назад

@@mog0 the 737 is only one Boeing family in production, the others are 777 and 787. 767 is getting discontinued in 2027.

@mog0 4 часа назад

@@Blank00 I was referring to number of aircraft, rather than number of models. Last year 387 out of 528 aircraft produced were 737s.

@grega.n.1865 3 часа назад

As soon as Airbus implements active sticks, & the throttle shows the actual power setting at all times, it's going to be far ahead of Boeing. 🤞🏼🤞🏼

@MentourNow 3 часа назад

The A220 already has throttles that move to show the right power setting... so they only need to add active sidesticks to those. 🤞🏼

@ianriggs 3 часа назад

@@MentourNowsweet! I didn't know that about the throttles

@2adamast 3 часа назад

You mean that every lever and button should jump back if it can't implement your demand to show the actual value.

@grega.n.1865 3 часа назад

There might be a few reasonable exceptions, but in general it's a good idea. I'm not an airplane designer but I don't really see the disadvantages of such a system. 🤷🏻‍♂️ There's a long line of accidents resulting from the lack of visible feedback.

@SG_01 3 часа назад

I would also suggest different cockpit lighting to indicate different laws. Like in Star Trek they go to Yellow and Red alert and the entire bridge changes color.

@Luumus 4 часа назад

So Boeing planes provide less information yet have more pilot control and way less safeguards for pilot error than Airbus? That does sounds far more unsafe. But I'm not an expert and I don't know enough to make concrete judgements on it. Interesting video.

@rjdelatado2250 3 часа назад

I think one thing that also could have been mentioned was Airbus' cockpit commonality

@chrisroberts3963 3 часа назад

Airbus pilot here (320). Airbus is better by a mile. I never want to fly a Boeing. Everyone at my airline that has come from a 73 will never go back.

@FrancisFjordCupola 3 часа назад

@chrisroberts3963 ... Not related to Roberts Space Industries? On a serious note, I noticed that Mentour considered the tactile feedback of the controls valuable, especially in stressful situations. I wondered if it wasn't the point of the Airbus to take away a lot of the stress situations. Any thoughts on that?

@glynnetolar4423 2 часа назад

There's art least one incident of a 320 where the computer caused issues. Bonus Airbus, to this day, has no idea why. That's more than I little disturbing.

@ABDULLAH-789-h2d 2 часа назад

@@glynnetolar4423 and worst thing,airbus has escaped being a criminal!!!!!!!!!meanwhile,boeing pays people for a crash they never caused

@JPR3D 3 часа назад

I haven't done a ton of flying but as a passenger I always noticed the Airbus planes tended to be smoother in all aspects. As a non-pilot, I feel like the automation of Airbus does make their planes safer, but may require a greater technical understanding of the systems in the case of anything abnormal. "The plane is doing a thing we need to correct" becomes "The plane is doing a thing we need to correct, and it's because the automation is in mode X trying to do a thing" so training and systematic understanding is paramount.

@danharold3087 3 часа назад

MCAS has shown its ugly head in comments and I only want to do this once. " while Boeing has not explicitly stated that MCAS was developed outside of typical R&D practices, the evidence suggests that the development was conducted under a different framework that lacked the usual checks and balances expected in aviation safety." chatgpt One interpretation is the same people or persons who insisted on hiding MCAS, fooling the FAA engineer etc. Was responsible for bypassing the normal R&D department and total screwed it up. This is so so wrong.

@eddie918 5 часов назад

Airbus > Boeing

@Julian13o11 4 часа назад

best coment. everything is said.

@MavHunter20XX 4 часа назад

For now. I can't get over the side stick

@Mon-W 4 часа назад

@@MavHunter20XX same, if they were linked together so, they can't cause a dual input, I'd be a lot more on board.

@ianriggs 3 часа назад

At least right now, I have to agree

@wiredforstereo 3 часа назад

Today, yes. However, Petter has done quite a number of episodes on pilots crashing perfectly good Airbuses because of how their systems work.

@texasranger24 5 часов назад

I seriously hope it's a rhetorical question. Because the amount of Airbus planes diving in the ground because of both bad design and bad software is quite low compared to Boeing - the sound that a plane makes during a minor crash.

@kenbrown2808 4 часа назад

actually, if one actually looks for accurate statistics, Airbus' safety record is very similar to Boeing's. but right now every time there's an incident involving a Boeing plane, it makes headlines, and it loudly announced that it was a Boeing plane, while incidents involving airbus are barely mentioned in passing. - because it's Boeing's troubles that the media is fixated on right now.

@timothy4664 4 часа назад

@@kenbrown2808correct answer

@trilight3597 3 часа назад

I think they're similar but Boeing's accidents and incidents definitely get more coverage, specially recently. I personally think Boeing planes, outside of the MCAS accidents, will let you into trouble but out of trouble and let fly out it. Airbus will prevent you from getting into trouble in the first place, but when those protections fail, and they have, it's a lot harder to get out off because you have to remember what's happens when something does go wrong.

@ahmedmahomed 3 часа назад

BOINNNGGG!!!😅

@ABDULLAH-789-h2d 2 часа назад

@@trilight3597 and if you get hijacked,you cant aileron roll it in a airbus!team boeing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

@cvcv9054 4 часа назад

Boeing is living in the cold war era with Soviet plane companies with yoke system instead of active side sticks which even the latest Russian mc -21 will have

@chiHAWKShky 3 часа назад

Alot of pilots prefer the yoke over a stick

@SwapBlogRU 2 часа назад

If it ever goes into service (the MC21).

@PaulTomblin 5 часов назад

As a software developer, I can’t remember ever being on a team where I didn’t look around at my team and think about at least one of them “thank god they’re not developing life critical systems”. /s

@hammondpickle 5 часов назад

Then at the end of your work day you climb into your car and drive home. All the time relying on safety-critical systems your car, most other vehicles around you, the traffic control systems, etc., etc. Or maybe you take the train... same thing. Even working from home you have to trust that the team who coded the firmware for your fridge weren't a bunch of psychopaths. /s

@Infiltator2 4 часа назад

No aircraft system is done by one person.

@FrancisFjordCupola 3 часа назад

So does that mean that your employer just wanted to cheap out on software developers and considered lower quality software developers acceptable?

@mediocreman2 2 часа назад

@@hammondpickleFirmware for your fridge? If you have firmware in your fridge, you bought the wrong fridge.

@TommyRaines 3 часа назад

Two different design approaches, plusses and minuses to each - very well explained, thank you. However quality of manufacturing and testing may have a bigger effect on the outcomes then the design differences.

@Blank00 5 часов назад

Right now, Airbus is safer, but once Airbus starts advertising single-pilot operability for their future planes, I bet the tables will turn. A cockpit relying only on one pilot is just as risky as MCAS relying only on one sensor.

@Infiltator2 4 часа назад

U would have basically a remote FO on the Ground that could support any minute

@Blank00 4 часа назад

@@Infiltator2 that is less safe than a second pilot in the cockpit. A copilot in the cockpit will be more likely to hold oneself accountable than a remote FO because the copilot’s own life will be in their own hands, just like everyone else onboard. A remote FO will not feel as much obligation as an in-cockpit FO, and a remote FO will not be able to observe 100% of the things an in-cockpit copilot can

@conanthelibrariansunflower 4 часа назад

You've got it the wrong way around. The airlines are the ones driving single pilot ops research.

@Infiltator2 4 часа назад

@@Blank00 he will also be under a lot more stress than people being on the ground. If it would be up to the Airlines it would already be in service

@Blank00 4 часа назад

@@conanthelibrariansunflower I corrected that comment. At this point, it would come down to Airbus deciding to go forward with single-pilot development. This is another area where parallels can be drawn because Boeing’s choice to MAX the 737 over an all new type was in response to a push from AA and Southwest

@teytreet7358 3 часа назад

If the Airbus have force feedback and sync the position of the side stick between the 2 sides, as well as movable throttle, I would be all for Airbus.

@jetobey5656 4 часа назад

@@Petter----please remember that I had to leave your Patreon because I was placed in a senior center and lost more than half of available money.

@Faraonqa 3 часа назад

and i quote a Boeing engineer "i aint getting on that death trap"

@DiederikCA 4 часа назад

My feeling is that Boeing might be better in the hands of the very best pilots, but Airbus is better at catching errors, and guiding pilots when (system) faults occur. Statistically however, Airbus airplanes are less likely to suffer fatal accidents, which might ultimately be the most important metric. Although it's a difference between extremely safe and extremely extremely safe I think you are slightly misrepresenting the data, because when I looked at it some months ago, Airbusses made from the 80s on were safer than boeings made from the 80s onwards

@doc.chocholousek3378 3 часа назад

Well, he mentioned this in his video. He said 4th gen planes are much safer than 3rd gen and he also mentioned that being started making 4th gen planes much later.

@NerdX151 3 часа назад

It's a pity that Lockheed is no longer in the game. I have yet to hear a pilot praise an Airbus or Boeing plane the same way they praised the TriStar. Imagine if we had a gotten a modern twin-engine airliner based on the TriStar model.

@justvid366 2 часа назад

As a passenger, I can tell you that I heavily lean toward Airbus. Mainly because most of the Airbus fleet is relatively newer than Boeing. The chances to bump into the late 1990th Airbus that was leased 5-6 times between different carriers are quite low. Most of the Airbus planes are quite modern and brand new. When I see Boeing, I immediately feel that it's old garbage outside of the 777x and 787 Dreamliner. And, of course, the biggest fear is to get the 737MAX - when I see it, I swap for another time and carrier if needed. Yes, Airbus has sticks that look ridiculous, and it could lead to the dual input, but after the AF447 they made significant additional features to make sure this won't happen again. So all in all, I'm pro-Airbus.

@rnrnrn69 4 часа назад

As a professional seaman I say like this - there is not such thing as too much information, ever. If you feel overwhelmed by too much information at hand, then it's time to seek a new less complicated profession 😏

@jamesengland7461 4 часа назад

True, but less important information can drown out the most important information based on how it's presented, information can be faulty, and with modern systems, the computers could be better designed to filter out errant or misleading info, warn about contradiction, etc. And good grief- why don't they have cameras pointing at wing and tail surfaces and landing gear?

@axeln6743 3 часа назад

That might be because your ship moves much much slower and cannot get into an uncontrollable state as quickly as a plane can, when handled incorrectly.

@Psichlo1 3 часа назад

As an aircraft technician, I am of the opinion that more available information is always a good thing; however, the level of automation that the Airbus offers can also lead to pilot complacency, they become so accustomed to the protections that they don't give it much thought until it becomes a problem. I am definitely not suggesting that Boeing pilots can't, and don't suffer from this at all. I think that there needs to be a happy medium between automation and the good old fashioned hand flying methods that allow pilots to be more engaged with the aircraft. to use an analogy; modern cars have a ton of safety features like adaptive cruise control, brake assist, blind spot monitoring and lane departure assist in an attempt o make safer drivers. In my experience, it has the tendency for drives to rely on it and less so on their own senses and being aware of the other people on the road.

@2adamast 3 часа назад

Complacency like "After a 12 hour shift with 4 sectors on an A320 you will be tired, but on a 737 you are done and have to hope that you don't fall asleep on the drive back home" (@fsclips)

@F4495-q 3 часа назад

I think all the issues you have been highlighting shows pilots don’t know how to fly anymore. They only know how to operate the computers rather than know how to fly when in anything but normal law. That’s dangerous. They become too dependent and it clearly shows that with the airfrance 447 accident.

@ABDULLAH-789-h2d 2 часа назад

and the airasia in 2019

@SiggiTh 4 часа назад

Is there a debate? Choose life, choose a plane where the doors don't come flying off!

@TheRealNTSBlol 3 часа назад

(Me as an airbus lover): Hell yeah.

@ABDULLAH-789-h2d 2 часа назад

1 door ,boeing has existed for more than 80 YEARS.seriously?

@Rorschach1024 3 часа назад

While Boeing has fallen far of late, i still much prefer the Boeing design philosophy. Airbus's system tries to prevent pilot error, while making computer error much more likely, while removing many of the tools a pilot needs to identify when the instruments are giving false information to both the flight computers as well as the pilot.

@dimitri1515 4 часа назад

I think the people best qualified to answer are the ghosts of flight 610 & 302

@ABDULLAH-789-h2d 2 часа назад

and ghosts of flight 587,447,(insert crash that airbus purposely cut corners through)

@userdec1974 5 часов назад

good that we have both! Both challenge each other constantly. We (consumers) benefit a lot of the development and improvements resulting this "rivalry".

@MentourNow 3 часа назад

Yes, we need at least two big players. More would be even better...

@Steve.Cutler 3 часа назад

Im a big fan of any plane im on, taking off and getting where im going. Dont really care what brand of plane as long as the pilots are well qualified...

@FrancisFjordCupola 4 часа назад

It's not a debate. Boeing has been clear second for the longest. Clear cop out in the conclusion. Perhaps Boeing's 4th generation planes, the 777 and the 787 are "safe" ... when it comes to Boeing's production figures, the 737 MAX is/can be/should be produced at the highest rate with the most orders on the book. The small planes most people fly and make kilometers in are either 3rd gen Boeing or 4th gen Airbus. And with 90% less incidents that means that in the mean taking an Airbus is 10x safer.

@kloudray 3 часа назад

Since many(most?) accidents involve human error, removing the possibility of human error as much as possible sounds like a good idea. I work in IT operations, and we automate everything as much as possible and try to avoid manual activity, and one of the reasons for that is that people mess up. Of course, automation can also go wrong but that is significantly rarer than a person making a mistake. So the approach of relying on automation for the most part during normal operations and seeking intervention from a human "administrator" only when that automation goes wrong is more appealing to me personally.

@josephduvivier3322 3 часа назад

The complacency factor reminds me of the difference between using self-driving mode of a Tesla vs a normal car. With self-driving engaged it's sort of like the driving instructor teaching a teenager - they have to be continuously on guard in case the teenager makes a mistake while still letting go most of the time. It seems like airbus piloting would require you to be always ready to take over when the plane can't figure out what is going on while allowing the automation to do its thing most of the time.

@FN-rr6mk 3 часа назад

Connected motion sidestick would be perfect 👌🏾

@ngqongqozamasibi9939 4 часа назад

From your last video if the pilots were flying the Airbus the crush could have been avoided.

@krasberg 3 часа назад

Pilots knowing their plane is more important.

@ccooper8785 2 часа назад

Since I first learned about the side stick (many years ago) I have always been baffled that it was EVER thought to be a good idea. Surely it makes much more sense to have the control out in the open where everyone can see what is being done to it rather than hiding it away at the side out of (easy) sight. Finally, who thought it was a good idea for the Captain (on the left) has to use his non-dominant hand when controlling the plane ? But what do I know, I have never driven a plane...🤢

@MichaelBuetKESE 2 часа назад

I for one don't believe this should prevent the human input from the pilots, but AI definitely could help in cases where the pilots get into sensory overloads and it could prevent them from making fatal mistakes such as shutting down the wrong engine or throttling DOWN when clearly heading into a stall...

@robinholmes785 2 часа назад

As an interested outsider observer, it seems obvious that regulators should enforce standardization, starting with names, through to standardised operating laws, and how much information must be displayed and how attention-grabbing it is. Clearly, both stick and yoke have proved themself safe. I do agree with you that stick and throttle controls, even switches and buttons should move and clearly show their setting.

@elmurcis1 3 часа назад

I always liked early 737 models. They give that "this is jet for backyard use" vibe =))

@voodoocars2134 3 часа назад

A friend of mine was a Virgin Atlantic 747 pilot for many years. Got made redundant. Flew 747 cargos for a while but has now been taken back by Virgin to fly Airbus. He had to to do intensive retraining for quite a while and although he’s re qualified and is now flying Airbus he tells me he prefers Boeing.

@lours6993 3 часа назад

How can there be a serious debate about which manufacturer makes safer aircraft in the current circumstances?

@Zestyclose-Big3127 3 часа назад

5:41 instructions unclear, Petter now set to fly A310

@phlfm 4 часа назад

This video but featuring Embraer would be fantastic!!

@vonleonerespiritu2741 3 часа назад

As an avgeek who doesn't have an experience flying an aircraft (not even in a sim), I prefer flying with an Airbus aircraft instead of Boeing, even though I fell in love first with the latter. I like what Mentour Now has points laid out here, such as elaborating the features of a fly-by-wire system. With this feature, some aircraft can weigh lighter than others because this feature removes some of the bulk of flight control surfaces when controlled in a conventional way. I also liked the point that the flight control computers of the Airbus aircraft give substantial amounts of protection to the pilots like the aircraft won't allow it to be stalled, either by accident or the intentions of the pilots. Boeing however warns the pilots if, for example, the aircraft will go into a fully-developed stall, by aural warnings, visual crickets, stick shakers, etc., rather than the aircraft preventing itself to go into that situation. Just an additional insight here, some of the airlines in my country now deploy an all-Airbus fleet because of its maintenance costs and a lower tendency to do some error by the maintenance team when maintaining the aircraft while it is on the ground.

@AnetaMihaylova-d6f 4 часа назад

20 years ago I would say Boeing last 10 years or so definitely Airbus . Boeing has been falling steadily and Airbus growing big time. A350 is the best plane nowadays by far ....

@joonassuominen6821 2 часа назад

Do you think that there should be more clear indication examble audio if the plane enters to alternative law or direct law?

@steve3291 2 часа назад

I spoke to a training captain on a B747 simulator session at British Airways and his preference was Boeing as he could look away from the instruments, but leave one hand on the yoke and still feel what the aircraft was doing. I can see a case for Airbus bringing in feedback through the sidestick at some point as this is useful feedback to the pilots.

@mgmmj6664 3 часа назад

I don't know which pilots have such a luxury to pick and choose which chemical aircraft they wanna fly most people will simply be happy to get a job at an airline regardless of what aircraft brand there is

@DillonPrecisionFan 4 часа назад

Older Douglas aircraft used to use depleted Uranium for flight control counter balance weights, which got changed out to Tungsten later on...dense metals!

@robertgiggie6366 4 часа назад

Boeing “ pilots have final authority” immediately makes a plane where pilots don’t have final authority and it falls out of the sky.

@deans178 2 часа назад

Air France Flight 447, 2009, is an example of the "Fly by Wire" not being able to over come human error. Those pilots flew the plane into the ocean stalled. Now I assume given that same scenario, faulty airspeed indications, more modern software would overcome the "human error" involved at that time?

@philiphumphrey1548 3 часа назад

On safety statistics I would take them with a huge amount of caution. Serious incidents are usually very rare and because of the very small numbers involved you can't infer much statistically, it probably won't tell you which make is the safest. You can tell more from minor incident statistics because there tends to be more of them (as long as they are reported). Even then, it's best to be wary, a good safety record may conceal a low probability but high consequence accident just waiting to happen.

@1201suddenturn 3 часа назад

By chance I watched the unfortunate Air France disaster yesterday and understand that spacial disorientation was the cause which they could not apprehend - and therefore I beliefe the training for situation awareness is still key

@carta274 2 часа назад

"kinda like a computer game" I see you throwin shots!!!

@dalstonjazz 3 часа назад

Which maker has a piano playing on board? The play by wire one of course.

@cageordie 4 часа назад

What do I prefer as an aerospace engineer and not a pilot? All the modern FBW aircraft. Given the choice of A330, A350, B777, or B787 I'd just say yes. Given the choice of A320 family or B737 family... I have been avoiding the 737 for 20 years. I only fly on them when my employer books them. In the long term they have 5 times the hull loss rate and 4 times the casualty rate despite having less deliveries than the A320 family. By 4th generation do you mean only the MAX or the 737 NG too? I'm pretty sure the MAX proved very dangerous initially.

@unfathomable1876 3 часа назад

None of the 737s, MAX included are Gen 4 aircraft

@cageordie 3 часа назад

@@unfathomable1876 So Gen 3?

@unfathomable1876 3 часа назад

@@cageordie Yes, the 737 in all iterations is a gen 3 aircraft. The US government even had to give it special exemptions for the fact it doesn't even have an EICAS. The 777 and 787 are the only true Gen 4 commercial Boeing airliners. It's sad that the MAX even exists it should've been completely redesigned or replaced.

@freibert 2 часа назад

AF296 was an early example how fly-by-wire works ..

@ronwatkins5775 4 часа назад

Can the pilot manually select which law they want to use (obviously you cant select a higher automation mode if it's not available). Perhaps a more visible indication of the current LAW? Lights somewhere around the HSI?

@MultiMrAsd 3 часа назад

The pilot could deactivate the flight computers on the overhead panel to force the plane into alternate or direct law. This is pretty much never needed since the computers will do that themselves if they are not 100% certain that their outputs are reliable. The planes uses multiple computers and sensors (different hardware each), compares between them and shuts down when something is wrong.

@axeln6743 3 часа назад

Nice to know: The A320 has 7 flight control computers and each has a unique hard- and software design and if they disagree then they decide that they are not trustworthy and degrade their mode to alternate or direct law according to the situation.

@ABDULLAH-789-h2d 2 часа назад

they cant.if you get hijacked,you are done for!in a boeing,you could always do a aileron roll.........

@markgr1nyer 4 часа назад

Isn't there a simple solution to the airbus lack of feedback while maintaining the Airbus way of thinking. Connect the controls to feedback motors that are activated when in degraded working or other modes where visual feedback is important, such as TOGA Lock become active This way if everything is normal then the flight controls will feel or look as expected. But if something is wrong with the flight controls it stands out, similar to the "all dark" philosophy for switches

@DannMarius 3 часа назад

In one of the previous videos, I asked you about the dual input from the two pilots, now it's clear, thank you 😊

@MissMyMusicAddiction 3 часа назад

i wonder how much different the experience on airbus, right seat vs left seat, since the side stick is in your other hand.

@MichaelBuetKESE 2 часа назад

"DUAL INPUTS -IDENTIFY PILOT IN CONTROL....DUAL INPUTS - IDENTIFY PILOT IN COMMAND' IMO, "averaging" dual inputs is INSANE.... In these situations, CRM has already failed. The correct Voice Warning" should already have been changed to that immediately after the first fatal accident where this problem occurred!!!!

@norbert.kiszka 3 часа назад

Maybe Airbus (A320) design isn't well thought out, but things told by whistleblowers are really scary. Especially metal shavings in a 787 cable departments, not cleared.

@MusafirPak 2 часа назад

This Debate May never End

@coldlyanalytical1351 3 часа назад

As a passenger I prefer Boeing - they usually have individual air blowers above your head whilst Airbus uses an aircon 'rail' situated high up.

@human-y7m 3 часа назад

omg like someone said in the comments we should see if the 737 captain can fly in an a320 sim! thats would be a great vlog as that person suggested

@georgewyatt2924 3 часа назад

The "How Safe are the Skies" does not show up on Patreon on the computer. BTW, I like the A220 as a passenger because the seats are a little wider. I don't really like the MAX at all. The 787 & 777 are my fav Boeing aircraft.

@martin777xyz 5 часов назад

How long before passengers can choose their flight based on the plane to be used?

@starnumber_alt 5 часов назад

I mean you kinda can

@quintuscrinis 5 часов назад

@martin777xyz Ryanair or Easyjet? Is being or airbus. Flying from London to Sydney? BA use Boeing, Qantas use Airbus. Depends on your level of knowledge or willing to examine the details

@nomnomNACHO 4 часа назад

You can already as mentioned above, but the reality is that people don’t care. Passengers care about price>time>service first before even looking at the model.

@martin777xyz 4 часа назад

@@nomnomNACHO how to know what aircraft will fly a specific route?

@thebear6888 4 часа назад

Before you book the flight you can see the specific aircraft you are flying. I’m confused as to how you’re confused about this.

@flyingchic3n 3 часа назад

You stated that fly by wire has no moving parts, so it doesn't have maintenance. This is only partly true because you've simply offloaded the maintenance to the software teams. Software is a service and is complex and requires updates, maintenance, and time under test just like mechanical systems. Its easy to forget about because its all happening in a little magic box

@MentourNow 3 часа назад

I did t say NO maintenance, I said it reduced maintenance

@nickad55 3 часа назад

How is a plane designed about how high it can fly and about how fast it can go. I know about . 86 speed of sound, but the difference between ground speed and air speed. What is ground speed? Why do we need to have it. Thank you

@earnshaw5 3 часа назад

Has anyone thought about having heated fuselage panels around the sensors in front for example? It could prevent ice build up in front of the sensors and would act as an extra layer of protection in the event the de-icing misses the fuselage

@DillonPrecisionFan 4 часа назад

Airbus brought unbalanced flight controls to commercial aircraft (A300), partly in name of the payload wars. They also brought the non-plug door design from business jets to commercial airliners. A non-plug doesn't come inside the airplane and "plug" the hole...via folding top and bottom sections of the door or hinge mechanisms, no way for locks or doors to slide up and off of the stops (Alaskan air door debacle).