@@sallyholzwarth1095 not true. Employees get penalized for doing more work in less time. Employers should judge how well the job gets done, not how long u sit at a computer.
@@sallyholzwarth1095 @sallyholzwarth1095 it's not theft it's bad management. Most management doesn't understand how to efficiently manage employees in the office let alone those that are remote. If you're employees are falling behind regardless of where they're based get rid of them. If they have time to BS mouse clicks give them more to do.
“We can’t tell if you’re doing your job by the output, because we can’t tell what you’re supposed to be doing, so instead we’re gonna watch how many times your mouse moves.“ Sounds like a company that’s going places😂
If you’ve ever worked for a large bank, it makes total sense. They actually don’t like people to stand out too much in terms of performance. Especially Wells Fargo because of the scandal from years ago. It’s very much a communist mindset do enough to be slightly above average but don’t get too far ahead or you start to arouse suspicion. The only exception for this is obviously with investment banking, which is not done with mouse clicks it’s done with intelligence, relationship building, and as you stated measuring actual output.
“Any poll’s a goal” is another way it’s been said. Basically people will inevitably figure out how to game any system you can create. You can never fully automate oversight.
@@cdevidal it’s easier to understand with an example. Say a company tells their employees “hey, we’re going to start tracking the number of e-mails you send out as part of your performance reviews”. It’s inevitable that some of those emails will be phony to inflate the numbers. Like they’ll email themselves, create fake email addresses, etc. Now the number of e-mails being sent won’t be an accurate measurement because of that. Especially if that performance is directly tied to a bonus. Basically a business should only worry about results and not about metrics. Metrics should be a tool, not something job performance needs to be based on.
@@cdevidal basically if it is something we can quantify, it cannot be made a goal for others to reach, because it tries to force Quantity into Quality
@@SeanHoltzman to put it even simpler, people will do everything possible to cut corners and avoid responsibility. Why clean your room when you can simply sweep everything under your bed? End result looks the same, right?
To be fair, better processes lead to better outcomes and results (if you know what you’re measuring). Otherwise it’s all meaningless metrics and KPI’s.
@@SFO14 I agree if it made it that far; most of the time it’s like a blind leading a blind for a short period of time & then just gave up without seeing the proper result.
@@extremejoy going through the motions without a genuine call to action or effort to resolve an issue (AKA moral hazard in many cases) really should be talked about more openly.
I worked for a medical company that used cameras to watch their employees, they used the camera on our computers to watch us, they monitored everything we did on our computers as well as monitoring our work phones. Employees were incentivized to turn their coworkers in for ANY company infraction. It was the single most toxic workplace environment that I have ever worked in. Needless to say they went under in less than 5 years.
@@prof.scheere6933 I was being facetious being a retired postal employee. The Postal Career Executive service always regarded the Postal craft employee as the greatest enemy of the Postal Service. When I left, GPS units were being installed on mobile equipment handling equipment, electric pallet jacks, forklifts with on board monitoring cameras. The line supervisors were reduced to inputting count data from the various processing machines. The managers of the entire operation were giving direct orders to the production workers. I can only imagine now with machines directly linked to computer reporting net and the two parallel sets of monitoring surveillance equipment, the Postal Management's and the Postal Service Inspection Service's working diligently to prevent any theft of paid time or property or mail while the line supervisors must concern themselves with running a Diversified, Equitable, Inclusive workplace, meeting out fair discipline to those who violate.
Wells Fargo fires employees for “stealing” from them… because employees are using mouse jigglers…. but never fires their employees for stealing from their Wells Fargo customers. Got it!
Employees there created MILLIONS of fake accounts for real people without asking them. Then they got bonuses for each one. Bank is now overseen by Feds. Most employees were not charged and got to *keep their jobs*. And this was one scandal of many
Why would they do that?? They are a business and should 1...JUST ONE objective. MONEY!! It's stupid to even consider they should fire an employee that brings them in more money (even VIA stealing)
If it's wage theft to not be paid the second you wake up for work and get ready, plus the commute back and forth, then they can argue this is stealing time
@@PeanutButterRipple go back to your job at McDonald's. It has nothing to do with work eithic, it has everything to do with an overbearing company using stupid metrics to Judge employees on everything but their actual work. Which ops comment is exactly the same thing. What's the difference between moving your mouse and taking a step? Nothing.
@freedfree7933 That's the point op is trying to make. Hiw many times you move your mice or how many minutes spent infront if rhe computer doesn't equal output. Just like walking doesn't equal car sales
On one project 15 years ago where I was the primary software developer, a junior employee would regularly inform management that I was not doing my job because, as he put it, "I'm not hearing much typing on your keyboard." It was quite infuriating since i was even working overtime to meet deadlines
If to him "productivity" is number of lines of thoughtless, redundant code with no particular architecture, he's the one who's actually getting replaced by AI
@@roelienpostma2367I'm going to guess, she worked at the same place for 25 years and was probably late in her career, with little chance of finding better if she quit
Career banker here. When I started banking, before computers, it was a great job. It was a people centered job. We really had good relationships with our customers. I agree, the last years were misery because instead of helping the customer, it was to suck every last penny out of them. I thought I would cry when I left because I loved it so much back in the 60s and 70s and 80s, but I didn't. I walked out with a smile and a sigh of relief🎉
BOA is worse, they have been telling people what they are “allowed” to buy with their money. They literally blocked transactions for guns, ammo, fireworks and other items they don’t like.
@@timlewis7218 I did charity work while in Florida on vacation the check was for expenses . Wells Fartgo. Wanted a finger print so I gave them a finger print. Then looked at the Check . And Said. There is a check cashing place down the road that cashs checks.. I pointed out the check was on Wells Fartgo not a check cashing place down the road.. I ended cashing that check in Kentucky at my bank 2 weeks later.
Had a college savings fund in bank A which was bought out by Bank B which was bought out by bank C which was bought by Wells Fargo. Got a letter in the mail from Wells Fargo saying they now owned the account, but never got a statement. Called and asked where the statements were, they said there was no account. 10 phone calls later, they said it was an "inactive account" so they sent the money to the state. Contacted the state who said they NEVER received the money. Made an appointment with a local manager, brought in the paperwork showing they had the account the letters saying they sent the money to the state& the letter from the state saying they never received the money. The manager said, all of his records which he couldn't show it give copies of said the money went to the state. Contacted the state banking commissioner, who contacted Wells Fargo, that same manager asked for another face to face, because he needed to see "the originals" ! Still took 6 months for them to send the money! Interesting thing, the money had earned compound interest, but Wells Fargo claimed the state had just "returned" the money to them😂
I feel this. In tracking my yearly performance ratings over my entire 35+ year career, except for a 4 year period in the late 90's, my performance ratings and bonuses showed little, if any, correlation with my actual performance for each year. During stellar years, I'd frequently get dinged with "You did good but we expected more" and, in years where I was personally somewhat disappointed with my performance, I'd often end up getting highly praised
Last year I worked for a ACA insurance co, they had all the employees download a program that monitored all your information, tracked your movements, knew everything you were doing through the day even when the work was done. I was the only one who refused to download it because I saw it as an invasion of my privacy. These companies should be careful about tracking their employees. It’s such an overreach. Companies don’t own you.
@@Teutathiswho needs a keylogger when you can just patch into a person's phone. Got a camera on your phone? How about a microphone or GPS. It's like the CIA of the 80's wet dream. Today you got private entities who are wielding that power, all with nothing more than a difficult to comprehend permission slip that is tied to your check clearing this week.
The real issue is that most office jobs can be completed in 6-10 hours per week unless the company saddles their employees with menial, redundant, bureaucratic busy work. It also brings to question, if someone can finish their work in 30 hours of a 40 hour work week why are they getting punished for not needing that 10 hours, but the people who take 50 hours to do the same job get 10 hours of time and a half pay?
I had a coworker who was brought on as a manager for a project that was running behind and over budget. He said he was tasked with getting it done. He talked to the guys and he was told management got bonuses for going under but they got pay cuts if it took less than 40 hours a week. So my coworker get the approval for paying them a full weeks hours no matter how long it took. All of a sudden the project was back on track because the guys could work effectively and not lose money. My parents did the opposite. They would rush their employees to finish quickly for the day but charge the client the full time. They were surprised when many of their hardest workers quit because what was to point of killing yourself just so your boss makes more money?
Well, if they can finish their work quicker, then they should be offering to do more work rather than just sitting around doing nothing. If they actually did that, then the company would more than likely reward them for being more valuable than the rest of the workers. But if you hide the fact that you are getting your work done quicker, then how is the company supposed to know you should be rewarded? You aren't being punished for getting work done quicker. You are being punished for purposely hiding freetime that they are paying you for that could be used to benefit the company. You think a company wouldn't make it a point to their other workers that they need to get more done because you are getting more done than them? Just imagine if a McDonald's worker did this crap? Oh I already made more burgers than everyone else so I'm just going to sit here and do nothing. Dude would be fired in a heartbeat. Do you understand the concept of being paid by the hour? If you only work 30 hours, then you should only be paid 30 hours. You people have this stupid attitude. Oh why should I bother working harder if they aren't going to pay me more. Maybe they don't pay you more because you don't ever show any initiative, and you just constantly do the bare minimum. Just because one company didn't reward you for working harder, doesn't mean other company's won't. The fact that that you people don't realize your piss poor attitude actually affects your ability to move up in companies is beyond me. Why would anyone want to give a promotion to a negative Nancy? And if most office jobs can be completed within 10 hours a week, then they should fire 75% of their employees and have the other 25% take care of the work. I used to have your garbage attitude and reasoning. Guess what... I never got any raises and promotions. But the second I changed my attitude and started showing real initiative, I started getting promotions and raises. If a certain company doesn't appreciate your effort, then you go and work for someone else who will appreciate your work. But you actually have to show that you are more valuable than the other worker. Why would a company give you a raise if you do the same amount of work as literally everyone else? Want more money, then they show you are worth the extra money. You aren't worth extra money, if you do the same amount of work as everyone else. Doesn't matter if you get the work done quicker if you don't actually do any extra work with that extra time you gained. This idea that you pepple think you deserve to be rewarded for doing the bare minimum is beyond me.
It gets more complicated because some people, if given the option of finishing early and still getting paid, do a rushed job with lots of errors while the guys who do their job correctly get punished by having to work much longer hours. Unfortunately there is no incentive structure that works for every employee, because everyone reacts in their own way and some employees either have no sense of responsibility for the work they do or have no awareness of how poor a job they do when they rush their work.
The truth of it is that corporate management and ideology is entirely sociopathic. It's about control, and feeling superior to those they control. We have democracy over a government we barely interact with, meanwhile the day-to-day of our lives is governed by unaccountable sociopaths that want us to be little more than machinery.
@@guzzirob All the big banks have paid out huge amounts of money in fines. Wells Fargo had a huge fine for the fake accounts. Banks are making so much money when they're always pushing the limits until they caught.
Wow that payment system is horrible. Imagine you have somebody that's bad at their job constantly clicking around trying to figure out what to do and they get paid more than somebody that knows exactly what to do and how to do it effectively.
That's not really what is happening. It's just about paying per hour (not paying per mouse movement). Hours spent away from the workstation is not paid for and the purpose of mouse jiggling is to obfuscate time spent working. This allows remote workers to charge for hours not actually worked.
@@thorr18BEMif I’m done with my 8 hours of work in 5 hours, I’m efficient. So I need to mouse jiggle. Should I slow down? Or my punishment for being good at my job is less pay (paid for 5 hours not 8), or I get 3 more hours worth of duties? Being good at my job puts me in a spot.
Real similar story: "You aren't working. And we know this because we we are monitoring your Microsoft apps use." Worker's response was "We use Google docs."
I learned a valuable lesson as a supervisor. You cant get mad at people for using the restroom a lot, you can only get mad at them for not doing their work.
Why would have have to "learn" that? Common sense dictates people learn and work differently and as long as work is done, does it matter? Does it matter when people are int he office BS'ing at the coffee pot or sitting at their cubicle "looking busy" while watching you tube on cell phone or listening to stuff. LOL. I would get those supervisors in the military and we jack shit up just to get that person "fired" or reassigned which was derogatory to that persons career.
Wells Fargo should be much more concerned about employees embezzling millions of dollars from their customers every other week. Wells Fargo is a dumpster fire.
I had a manager tell us to install mouse jigglers. Our client required us to use their laptops so we hardly ever used our company-issued laptops that were monitored. The bean-counters didn’t understand this and my manager got tired of explaining it every month. We all installed mouse jigglers and he never heard from them again.
I have had a mouse juggler for like 8 years. It’s great because you can actually take a walk or go to the gym instead of sitting at your desk for 9 or 10 hours straight. Our society is ridiculous.
So in other words you’re stealing wages from the company? What you’re doing IS the reason why companies have become so Orwellian in their monitoring of employees. It only takes a few bad apples like yourself to ruin it for everyone else.
If you're getting paid you shouldn't be going to the gym or for walks.....I could see it if you need to use the bathroom or take a break but if it's just for breaks then you should just clock out for a 15 min break or 1hr lunch etc.
@@AshBuddha it just isn't morally right that's all. But not like ppl have morals or honor or any of that nowadays. Also if your job is that easy that you can get your work done while not being there maybe you should be paid less or they should give you more work? I'm sure once AI takes over most jobs at home will be destroyed anyway but who knows? Only time will tell.
Boss: "I'm writing you up for leaving your computer." Employee: "I went to the bathroom." Boss: "Your mouse stopped moving for too long." Employee thinks: "Now I need to figure out how to keep this stupid mouse moving when I deal with bowel movements."
@@andreacook7431YIKES! I would have quit that job so fast... Or got a doctor's note they couldn't challenge. That's the only answer to that level of insanity!
@@andreacook7431 thats excessive. i mean i can see how unlimited bathroom breaks could be abused but being limited on how many times you can go and when is not cool. at most i think it would be reasonable to allow for "normal" use as if you were on site and a little over head for exceptions. obviously no one is realistically going to use the bathroom 20+ times, for example, during anormal work day.
@@aptorres01 crystal ball of sorts? After 35 years of running, it's more like filling up "Pandora's Box". And @OP, well, technically yes, but next year, that episode will be 30 years old.
I developed an app while at wells fargo that ran as a service. When our entire department went remote everyone installed the app and all of us clicked away random keys on the keyboard and mouse clicks. Not one of us ever questioned or caught. Zero productivity from any of us and did we have the parties. Hell for a solid month over 20 of us booked a hotel in the caribean for 6 weeks and had the time of our life.
wanted to get a second job that was completely remote with my own hours (I can some times work up to 15 hours in a single day) The remote position wanted me to install a few programs, and seeing as I work at a company that does Cyber Security I dove into what these programs are, and all of them were trackers. They tracked mouse, keyboard, even screen data, as well as tracked the apps running on other screens. I told them that I would like a company computer instead and they said that it wasnt possible because everyone uses their personal computers. That was when I brought up the fact that the programs where basically keyloggers that were nearly impossible to remove or find once installed. Then I found out they blocked my emails and all other forms of communication. It was great because I saved several of our Discord members the hassle.
Innovative employees know their worth & look for employers who value it. They don't settle for less. Which, unfortunately, is what most companies value - a lot of return for little appreciation & pay.
I'm mostly on calls all day, I walk and talk. So of course my computer auto locks because I am not using it because I don't have to use it. Companies need to get over themselves.
Don’t believe the headline. They most likely looked at output. You’re producing so no issue there. These asshats never figured out that you have to produce and not just move the damn mouse around. I despise these assholes, because someone else, probably paid less, has to make up for their laziness.
That's why I use one. My screensaver kicks in and locks after 5 mins which is a major pain in the arse. It's nothing to do with being remotely monitored. I work from home so there's no need for it to auto-lock after such a short period of time.
I have a short informational video that I have playing on repeat with the sound off to deal with this problem. As long as it's partially on screen (I've got mine in the lower left with just the very top of the window peeking above the start bar) and not minimized, it keeps playing and keeps your computer from going into locked sleep mode.
Any company monitoring employees based on screen time is insane and they're bound to fail. Let's be real, Wells Fargo hasn't been doing well for a while now and if you want success you can only judge people by productivity and results. A good example would be giving John XYZ account and ask him to give me an analysis by Monday; if I get it early he's extremely productive, if I get it late then he's likely* slacking off or possibly over worked. Monitoring whether someone is touching their mouse is useless if they do great work and the opposite is true as well; I don't care how much you touch your mouse if every project I give you is late and incomplete.
It's called micro management. It never works, and any successful business person will tell you don't do this. The reasons are: 1. You will never be satisfied with the outcome. 2. You think you're saving money because employees are constantly doing something. 3. This slows down improvements and advancement since employees are wasting time on pointless tasks. 4. You constantly add task to complete to make back the pennies lost
They are NOT deemed to fail. Every single big corporate company that allows you to work remotely tracks your screen time, active availability, and how quickly you can pick up the phone if you're in a can center like my wife.
That won't stop them from trying to seize your property. They refused to give me a loan but charged me the requested loan amount to apply for said loan. Which they demanded that I pay in one lump sum. I told them to piss off. I'm now searching for a credit union that's honest, so far no luck. Are all financial institions crooked now? Wish I could just rob them like they've tried to rob me. And succeeded.
@@darrellcook8253my Alatrust experiences prevented me from even knowing there was such a thing as a dishonest credit union. U should've known that was an officially/unofficially tolerated scam worthy of making a scene for the police/local news from the start. Shop around & tell them that for better results:)
I...know a guy...with a teenage son. He taped his mouse to the back of his son's hand. Since he worked from home the company called up and said "Larry, why do you work like crazy for 3 minutes 16 times a day instead of doing it all in one sitting?" Larry said "I work when I'm in the mood."
@@artandarchitecture6399, ah, trickle down economics, the "company" deciding everything and not the worker or end user, because the company will only deliver more if they receive more. Well, it turns out, what actually trickles down is usually yellow, sometimes brown.
How is it that a banking corporation was found robbing their customers by fraud is still allowed to do banking??? For that matter who but a crook would work for them???
To be fair, corporate mgmt had set unrealistic sales goals that employees had to meet or else they could be sanctioned in some way. But yeah, there were many cases where employees would do this for bonus money, and there were many cases where so much money was moved from the old account to the new secret account that the old account got overdraft fees. Supposedly, Wells refunded all the illegally-gotten fees.
Boss-you have the best performance metrics of any employee we’ve ever seen. It’s like your mouse and keyboard never stop. We would like to offer you a raise! Me- * furiously playing RuneScape during work hours* okay….
The stupidity of large corporations never ceases to amaze me. Instead of tracking keystrokes and mouse clicks, gauge people on productivity. It’s not rocket surgery!
Call Centers has this BS as well. They must log into their system and if they walk away say just to go to restroom, it shows time away from your computer. I could never work for such a structured environment, I can't get go to pee. Plus monitors number of calls you dropped or didn't take. Call Center Monitoring.
@@bernardkung7306 I'm not throwing shade at any of the workers. My criticism has more to do with the inane, ultimately useless busy-work that corporate culture seems to produce as a byproduct of its existence.
The upper positions coming up with such metrics to determine pay are braindead and should be fired instead. The laziness and lack of thought in coming up with the worst kind of measure for performance has to be deliberate.
If you’re paying employees by the hour, then they should be actively working during the time you’re paying them to work. If they complete their designated work, then they need to clock out. It’s not laziness on the employer, it’s wage theft.
@@Crimson.S.57 it is laziness when they try to dumb down the process of the job to illogical metrics, such as mouse movement, to judge whether or not the employee deserves their wage. You know what's a better performance metrics? Output and productivity levels, as long as their the assigned job is done on time or before the deadline it's all that matters. Everything else would be on the project leads and managers to manage scheduling and task assignment, which a significant number of them fail at doing it seems, thus coming up with such dumb performance measurement schemes.
@nixdskilly4786 , you are clearly uninformed of the myriad of jobs in large companies. There are many that do not directly have measurable "output". They are not completing projects. They are not selling widgets. They are not generating TPS reports. They are doing nuts and bolts things that no will notice didn't get done for a month.
@@chrisfoxwell4128 right... so the answer to that kind of problem with all the technology and advancements we have concludes at measuring work performance through mouse movement? Either give me a clear example of a job position that benefits from that metric or a reinforcing argument as to why or how I am wrong in my statement. Doing "nuts and bolts" is still a measurable output, even in your supposed example you fail to provide a supporting point, think harder.
I am reminded of that scene from the movie "Cool Hand Luke" where prisoners taking a 'nature break' had to shake the bush they were behind. "Shakin' the bush, Boss!"
People did this before working remotely. We all had that moment at 3:37 in the afternoon when you have nothing to do but an hour, 23 min before quitting time, so you look busy. I used to send stuff to the printer and go get it to make me look busy.
About 20 years ago, I created a "mouse jiggler" program for my wife. I made it work so it was difficult to determine what it was doing; I made the movements organic, not just a jiggle. She only used it sparingly (she did a *lot* of work after hours), but she never got penalized for not being in front of the computer whenever she had to take a much needed break.
@@vejoshiraptor What are you talking about??? It was incredibly easy to write such a thing. It was possible even then to sniff windows messages. If you rely on off-the-shelf solutions, you're right. But not all environments relied on such things.
I was at a meeting where everyone but me was talking and goofing around. My came over to tell me to close my laptop and pay attention. I was the only taking notes. 😢
I would have said "This IS me paying attention! If I don't keep a record of what we discuss, I can't meet or exceed your expectations." - that tends to put them on the back foot, and they tend to change their minds. If not, I start looking for a new job stat!
I work from home, and if we don't touch our mouse within 5 minutes, it logs us off... and we have to log back in. I don't know if they count the times we log back in, but they might. So I am extra careful about that.
This was an episode of the Simpsons Homer was working at home and decided he wanted to go out so he used a pecking bird to keep hitting same button on the keyboard 😂
If I am an accountant and looking at spreadsheets.... you better believe I am using the arrow keys, hot keys, and basically just the keyboard to navigate between cells.
@@Tempest-ec2nnyeah, but the point is that a lot of people don't. They just do the work they need to get done and spend the rest of day doing nothing. All these Corporate company's are insanely over employed. Musk proved that when he fired more than half of his employees at Twitter. While at work you should never have a moment of free time except on your lunch break. If you can disappear for half the day multiple times a week without it affecting the company, then that job should be eliminated and have the work handed off to other employees to fill in their free time that should not exist. As a blue collar worker, we literally can't even answer a personal phone call on the job without it slowing down production. That's how it should be for every job. Just imagine how much extra we are paying for products and services because these companies are wasting tens, if not hundreds of millions of dollars a year, on employees who don't actually need to be there?
@@NameenteredYou aren't wasting anything. These companies would just pocket the savings before they ever pass them down to customers. If someone is efficient at their job, they shouldn't be punished for it.
pI engineering makes programmable usb controllers or buttons. You can actually record a full work day and play it back the next just by pushing a button in the morning. Completely untraceable because it looks like an external keyboard.
@@nostrum6410only if your outputs are concrete. we had a protocol where work was essentially turned in by submitting tasks and thatvtasking system automated daily responsibilities kind of slick because if someone was on vacation their manager had a task to retask that employees work. But if a sale was made and it generated a project tasks were created and assigned and turned in. but then again if you were to submit a quote to a customer you had to create that task and then do the work and then attach the task
@nostrum6410 yea but any company dumb enough to track the mouse instead of products completed is too stupid to know what work their employee is supposed to be doing so it works
The tracking software at my job doesn't work very well. We have to keep the mouse/keyboard active in an appropriate percentage on the work apps constantly. In a company meeting or on the phone with a customer? Still randomly typing or clicking.
We had a 76 Y/O person who retired about 5 years ago. Mind you, still in the office. He would move his mouse instinctually every couple of seconds, still fully asleep. His boss, and his boss's boss clipped the cable on his mouse and mounted it on a plaque for his retirement gift. Never seen anything like it since.
Dont measure how people do their work, as long as they meet their quota. Micro managing your employees is a good way to lower productivity. Now you have another things employees have to worry about and you have less employees that cant meet expectations
It is a sad thing when companies resort to this kind of stuff. While I agree that work is what you get paid for. period. I am 71 and still work because I love helping people & assisting them get what they need. It’s always fun to help out and to be able to learn from each other. That is what my job is about. Over the years we build relationships with the people we work with.
If you are responding to emails and chats in a timely manner and completing all your assigned tasks, then the real problem is one of two things. 1 - you are not getting paid to do more, or 2 - your manager has no idea who is doing what and needs to balance the workload among the team.
Not to mention that not every job on a computer consists of chats, emails, or communications. No offence op but I hope you're not a leader.... Some roles like developers or engineering require banging your head against a wall to come up with a solution based on unique constraints. As a thought experiment, if you needed creative solutions, how do you allocate time approproately, and better yet, how do you know if such time is effective for innovation? If you can answer that, then we can talk about how to monitor such time properly...
@hyronharrison8127 I actually agree. My post is anti-monitoring. If you are paid to be creative, then your manager would know that and not need to monitor your mouse. If you are really fast and are finished, then you should be done, unless you are paid to go above and beyond, which most are not.
My wife works for one of the largest accounting and real estate firms and they judge by output. It’s amazing what these companies pay to work from home.
Mouse jiggling sounds like when my " mouse" kinda sticks to the sack, and when no one is looking, i "jiggle" the package to acquire a little separation!
I worked as an accountant. All the work could be done in less than an hour. And remaining hours you needed to pretend to do work . Only busy times were at the year end closing
@mikejungferman4744 it was for the battle of Azeroth back in 1322 ad. The orcs and night elves fought for the right to party. And boom ww1 happened shortly after. The rest is history but now we have the war within approaching because xalattath has revealed her true self and kiingmoo will defeat the uprising on area 52 and the one true god cowthlhu has blessed him with the success of this mission. Glory be his name and may you suckle the teet of the great one.
Some employers are overbearing and some have legit issues. I worked at a company that became overbearing so i quit along with a big group of workers. The new changes only affected people in the shop but not anybody in the office. We built custom aluminum catamarans. The last straw was remote cameras covering every inch of the production area so managers could watch us nightshift people from home. We didnt have problems with laziness, theft, etc. We didn't miss deadlines. The justification was "safety" somehow. I'm not working and sweating my ass off so they can log in and get themselves off....
You're worried about someone see you at work? Yet you've got no sympathy for the people that have already put in their 8 hours being asked to work OT with no compensation?
If a company started to do this, it would completely destroy any motivation I had to work hard. They would find that I move my mouse a lot, but strangely, my keystrokes would mostly consist of W, A, S, and D, with the occasional E or F.
Depends on the company. At my company almost no work, other than phone calls are done on the computer… oh wait.. phone calls are done on the computer. When someone’s status shows Not active for 55 minutes in the middle of the morning…. They’re not working.
Same, I have a job that can best be described as emergency response. I'll sit at my desk reading the news, articles about upcoming innovations in my field and of course watching RU-vid until a call comes in.
I wrote a mouse jiggler when the security timeout went to the login screen after 2 minutes while I was carefully reading a nested loop structure to debug it. I WFH, so no one visits my cubicle while I'm away...
Why does moving up the corporate ladder mean doing less work. Yhen why is it a point of conversation like if I wanna work hard and make more money why am I punished when I’m doing “too much”. Especially when you haven got cuz no one else is there to do it.
Not gunna lie, when my former company started doing that during the 2 days of remote work i got. I emded up actually not wanting to work. I felt there was no trust there so i decided to act like an emoloyee who needs monitoring
