Were Men Saved By Faith + WORKS In The Old Testament? 

Amen praise Jesus 🙏🏻

Simply and precisely ! The eternal, everlasting truth !

The only reason why he was able to perform the works of the law perfectly because he’s God. He’s the one that brought the Israelites out of Egypt and gave Moses the Ten Commandments. Of course he is always with the Father and the Spirit as the three of them always works together. When Jesus was on Earth, his Godly nature was in Heaven as well as on Earth. He never ceased to be omnipresent. Nor did he cease to be omniscient or omnipotent. The Father and the Spirit was with him on Earth as well. Remember in John 3 when he was talking to Nicodemus? Also, Remember in Genesis 1:26 when God said let ‘us’ make man in ‘our’ image after ‘our’ likeness. Well Jesus did speak this way referring to himself and the other two persons of the Trinity in this verse: “Most assuredly, I say to you, “We” speak what “We” know and testify what “We” have seen, and you do not receive “Our” witness.” ‭‭John‬ ‭3‬:‭11‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

He is God after all...he wasn't just a man...what flowed out of him when the Roman centurion speared his side? Blood + water

He didnt come down to just follow the law, remember the law isnt for a righteous person and it has no power to give life. Christ came to do God’s will and work John 6:68 (which wasnt to follow the law). Since Jesus is God, everything He did in his earthly ministry and life was to glorify the Father which he did perfectly, and the Father sent His Son to save us from our sins. The law was only given to show us that we are sinners. Although since He was able to keep the law perfectly, it showed His divine and righteous nature.

You are right but what you don't seem to understand is that no one in the OT knew where exactly to place their faith on let alone who.... They just knew of a coming redeemer... But when Christ came and died for our sins it was revealed where our faith must be on... Galatians 3:23-29 KJV / Hebrews 9:12-22

@@alexgarmin8457 Yes, they did know. They all knew of the promise of God. It’s literally the first prophecy of the Bible (Genesis 3:15). They might not have known who Messiah was exactly, but they knew about His coming and they believed in God and the Messiah. The one who undoubtably knew Christ was Abraham, for he literally met Christ (in Genesis 18), which is why Christ said, “Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day: and he saw it, and was glad.”

@@Nighhhts The scriptures say different and just knowing about his coming is not enough to be saved in this dispensation. Genesis 3:15 does not mention faith in the blood(Romans 3:25) so is not enough by itself to be saved today just to believe on WHO Jesus Christ is today. Today we must also trust WHAT the Lord Jesus Christ has done according to the scriptures(shed his blood as an atonement for our sins according to the scriptures). That is why the gospel of our salvation given to us by the Apostle Paul in the KING JAMES BIBLE(1 Cor 15:1-4) starts with HOW that Christ died for our sins ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES. This was a mystery KEPT SECRET SINCE BEFORE THE WORLD BEGAN, but given to the apostle Paul for us today by direct revelation from the Lord Jesus Christ himself and not previously received of man or given to previous generations of men. This is why we must use the King James Bible and rightly divide the word of truth as instructed in 2 Tim 2:15. Most people who think that they are saved, are actually not, because they haven't acknowledged the 7 mysteries given to the Apostle Paul(apostle to the gentiles and one of the mysteries being the gospel of our salvation today itself) and they are not rightly dividing the word of truth as instructed and have blended the different gospels together across dispensations or are trying to apply doctrine to themselves now in this dispensation when it was meant as an instruction to the Jews in a different time period and under a different gospel and doctrine. For example, Ephesians 2:8-9 shows us clearly that today in the church age we are saved by grace through faith alone and not of works lest any man should boast; whereas James 2 teaches the opposite that Rehab was justified by works and that faith without works is dead. Can I apply both to myself at the same time? No!; Is God a liar? No! So how does one reconcile these verses without believing both at the same time and mixing faith and works and having a false faith plus works gospel? It is really easy, we see that God dealt with different people at different times in different ways. Noah built a boat for his families salvation. Should I build a boat to be saved today? No of course not. James 1:1 shows us clearly that it was written to the 12 tribes of Israeal scattered abroad and was for them 2000 years ago and again under the gospel of the ingdom that they will again be under in the 7yr tribulation period. The church will not be here then. The tribulation period has a different gospel back in affect then. Colossians 2:2 1For I would that ye knew what great conflict I have for you, and for them at Laodicea, and for as many as have not seen my face in the flesh; 2That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of the MYSTERY of God, and of the Father, and of Christ; 3In whom are HID all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge. 4And this I say, lest any man should beguile you with enticing words. 5For though I be absent in the flesh, yet am I with you in the spirit, joying and beholding your order, and the stedfastness of your faith in Christ. Colossians 1:27 24Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church: 25Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God; 26Even the MYSTERY which hath been HID FROM AGES AND FROM GENERATIONS, but NOW is made manifest to his saints: 27To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this MYSTERY AMONG THE GENTILES; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory: 28Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus: 29Whereunto I also labour, striving according to his working, which worketh in me mightily. Ephesians 3:3 1For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles, 2If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is GIVEN ME to you-ward: 3How that BY REVELATION HE MADE KNOWN UNTO ME THE MYSTERY; (as I wrote afore in few words, 4Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ) 5WHICH IN OTHER AGES WAS NOT MADE KNOWN unto the sons of men, as it is NOW REVEALED unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit; 6That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel: Ephesians 1:9 6To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved. 7In whom we have redemption THROUGH HIS BLOOD, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace; 8Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence; 9Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself: 10That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him: 11In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will: 12That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. 1 Corinthians 2:7 Context 4And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power: 5That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God. 6Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought: 7But we speak the WISDOM OF GOD IN A MYSTERY, even the HIDDEN WISDOM, which God ordained before the world unto our glory: 8WHICH NONE OF THE PRINCES OF THIS WORLD KNEW: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. 9But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. 10But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. 1 Romans 3:25 “Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;”

Amen. Praise Jesus.

Yes but until the death of the testator, they needed levitical priests to offer up for their sins.. they had to do the works to receive the grace until the Lamb of God was slain so that no more animals had to be given up

Yes and I love God so I will keep trying.

@@randomCHELdad People don't know how to rightly divide.That's the problem

WILL = Pharisees, MUST = Legalist Thank the Lord for SHOULD as this is not a condition of salvation!

This is 100% incorrect. You're explaining salvation for people in the Old Testament with ONLY New Testament scriptures. How did the people in the Old Testament get this information that they would need for their salvation if it wasn't available until after their deaths when the New Testament books were written? The video below will explain how you both have it wrong. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-nj_XZJxYzXc.html

What might have happened if Abraham refused to sacrifice Isaac?

@@jellothere that scenario didn't happen. Read Genesis 15. and Genesis 22. God made the Covenant with Abraham BEFORE he had Isaac, because God wanted to comfort Abraham. Also, Isaac was a teenager and submitted to being offered. So Abraham Trusted that God would somehow save his son of the Promise. Or provide another sacrifice. Which God did. The Bible doesn't record that he was reluctant. Just that he Trusted God.

Yes, Chosen Ones, the ELECT.

Predestination too. Ephesians 1:1-4,Romans 8:28-31

Abraham was saved by believing an ancestral promise. James 2:23.

@@johnflorio3576 But what was the belief or faith of their salvation?

​@@andrewlinn7863 Jesus went to the realm of the dead after his death, right?

I believe you're correct. Leviticus says the animal sacrifices were for atonement and cleansing of sins. Great trib you can't take the mark, have to endure to the end, can't reject Jesus unto your death. I don't see how these are not blatant works. Has nothing to do with the law being kept but obedience.

@@ianhelgerson6146 1. Only those whose names are not written in the book of life will worship the beast: Revelation 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. 2. Those who rejected the truth will be deceived. II Thessalonians 2:9- Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. 3. Those who worship the beast and take the mark will be those who are deceived: Revelation 13:13-16 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, 14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. 15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. 16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: 4. The Bible says the elect or believers in the tribulation cannot be deceived: Matthew 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

Faith plus works in the ot and tribulation for what? Salvation/eternal life? In the OT, Abraham was justified by faith and not by works. David described how man was blessed because of being imputed righteousness without works. Romans 4 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found? 2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God. 3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. 4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. 5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. 6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, 7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. 8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

It is a work but not a work for salvation. Its only prevented Gods earthly punishment to those agreed to keep the Law of Moses. As Far as salvation in old testiment was by faith in Covenant (promise) God made with the children of Abraham Issac and Jacob. When Law came, punishment came very quickly so ppl died quicker but it didn't automatically mean spiritual punishment. But it was Physical Judgment. So practicing animal Sacfrice Cover or Hidden there sins before the Lord so God could properly fellowship with isreal with the incentive of his Holyness not lashing out against isreal. And sometimes because of God mercy depending on how one repented back then God would waive or push physical punishment to the next Generation. (Unless the next repented as well) What's interesting is God strategy and mercy was to push the Judgement long enough until Jesus came to receive all of it ONLY if that generation was sensitive to the will of God. Otherwise they experience a portion of Gods wrath in that generation. So those who broke of the Covenant God made with Abraham Issac and Jacob meant that they Rejected the Promise God made with isreal and even Rejected by default the hidden Messianic promises thus rejecting Jesus before he was even born. Bottom line is that Jesus took are physical and Spritual punishment that we deserved vs Animal sacrifice that temporarily covered ppls sins for a short while until the next year they had to offer the burnt offering and animal sacrifices before the Lord. Another big flaw was that animal sacrifices made one conscious & always aware they had sin and could never take away there guilt within there selves; where as Jesus takes the Guilt of sin away permanently with Sacrifice on the cross. And blesses us with Holy Spirit of Promise. The law made ppl work in the flesh but could not work away there sin nature (flesh). Where as Jesus gives us a new nature (the Spirit) that hold firm to the promise of God that we are His regardless of short comings of the flesh.

That was before Jesus blood was shed for our sins in ancient Israel they offered the blood of goats to atone for sins but the blood of goats doesn't cover sins the blood of christ does

​@@bigal98761that's my point.

Well, it wasn't enough obviously. Jesus wouldn't have to sacrifice himself for us if it was enough. Maybe the sacrifice is another example of how works aren't enough. That is my uneducated take, would like someone more knowledgable to answer your question.

Here's my issue with certain Baptists..... They look up to Peter Ruckman,who teaches some errors They believe Ana Baptists are the only ones who have the correct teaching of God's Word Lack of humility

He needs to not preach multiple gospels when there is only one ETERNAL gospel from Genesis all the way through Revelation.

@@pamelaoneill7941 There is only one gospel, and Robert Breaker teaches it. He is a brother, reprove him with love if you so wish, but treat him as a brother.

Exactly and you gotta remember Robert breaker learnt from great teachers like Peter s ruckman

@pamelaoneill7941 when do we sacrifice animals on an alter of uncut rocks, cuz this is what they did in OT times, not the same as today.

I'm still a Baptist & never heard of that. I know there are differences like us, KJV only

He teaches salvation by faith alone in this dispensation, not in others.

Exactly ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-z8odvQQ3I5w.htmlsi=HeS9KjPVWoESxW-I

Proverbs 6:16-19 These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren. ----------------------------- To sow discord among brethren is the worse of them all.

I have an issue with his public teaching. I don’t have an issue with him personally aside from that.

@@OnoDiamante okay, thank you for responding back. I’ll have to re watch your video. I may have been confused or misunderstood something. 👍🏻

Those who take the mark of the beast were never saved, as it will require worshipping the image of the beast. But a lot of Christians believe in a pre-tribulation rapture that will largely remove the Holy Spirit's presence from the earth. The Bible says that it is the Holy Spirit that is preventing the coming of the antichrist as long as the Holy Spirit is in the world. "For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way." (II Thessalonians 2:7)

@@lawrencehorner8418 I know, It does prove that dispensationalism is correct as in order to be saved in the tribulation they must have faith and resist the mark of the beast (works) this proves that God dosent save people the same way all through the bible, the saints in that time period will have to make sure they don't get deceived into thinking that they are saved the same way we are saved, lest they think that they can take the mark of the beast and still be saved by grace alone as that won't be the case.

@@acts837kjv4 1. Only those whose names are not written in the book of life will worship the beast: Revelation 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. 2. Those who rejected the truth will be deceived. II Thessalonians 2:9- Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. 3. Those who worship the beast and take the mark will be those who are deceived: Revelation 13:13-16 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, 14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. 15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. 16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: 4. The Bible says the elect or believers in the tribulation cannot be deceived: Matthew 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

@SheppardsinthefieldsBethlehem You can disagree with an interpretation without calling it "heresy." It is not essential to salvation to believe in a post-trib rapture.

Correct.

That's right. I hold to classical dispensationalism. Breaker is a hyperdippy, he gets his teachings from Peter Ruckman, who I would advise anyone to avoid.

Faith in God providing the means to our salvation; Jesus' blood sacrifice to pay for our sins. Jesus did the work of salvation for us. Our work is to believe in Jesus, Whom the Father sent to earth to be born of a virgin to have a mortal body so that He could sacrifice himself to save us. In the old Testament, they believed that God would provide the means of our salvation. Today, we have hindsight to see that Jesus is the Messiah, the means by which God saves us. Faith in God saves us.

they we're believing in the animal sacrifice for there sins which weren't accounted for instead of trusting in the finished Work of Jesus Christ which paid for all sins they were blind that verse is showing that people will rely on themselves or other things to save them but it will NOT work and one day they will understand the only way to be saved is by Jesus Christ alone ❤

If it is a video against faith alone for salvation then it is heresy period. Gods scripture clearly shows we are eternally saved by faith in Christ. Clearly by scripture shown in this video.

@sportsfanforever100 clearly it's not. If by faith alone, then why had Moses led the Israelites out of Egypt to make sacrifices for sin of 1000s upon thousands of animals when all they needed was to have faith in GOD and not kill a single animal, like we do in today's dispensation.

@romans3.25propitiation To foreshadow what the messiah would do on the cross. The blood of animals cannot fully pay for sins, but the blood of Jesus Christ did. Jesus even told us he who believeth on the Son hath everlasting life.

@@sportsfanforever100 Yes, but back then nobody had known there'd be the Son to come as the Lamb of GOD...see Robert Breakers video...you'll see he clearly isn't teaching faith plus works but showing what's already recorded in scripture...

@@romans3.25propitiation So the book of isaiah wasn't talking about the messiah? It absolutely was.

So the animal sacrifices as atonement and cleansing of sins was not needed?

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It's a different message, but the same requirement on our part, faith alone. Gospel of the kingdom was to believe Jesus was the son of God. Gospel of Christ is faith in the she blood(death, burial and resurrection) for our sins, and faith in a person, Lord Jesus Christ, Rom 3:24-26. Having said that, I would be careful with some talking about these points but they introduce some erroneous theology in the mix (for example, mid-acts, or so called dispensational salvation).

Mid-acts has a marcionite spirit in disguise.

But what about the fact that they saw God and saw him perform miracles? Surelt you believe something you see. BUT. In the end not everyone trusted God, even If they did believe he existed. How do we reconsile that?

Faith without works is dead. If we believe Jesus is Lord, then it will spur us to do as He tells us to. Hence acting out our faith. Anyone can SAY anything, but it’s how we LIVE it out that shows Who we belong to

@@JulezandChris Again you obviously didn't listen to Onorato. Millions of people have works but dont know Jesus Christ cause they trust in works to save them. If you believe in conditional salvation then you are not saved cause you are trusting in your works to retain salvation.

@@JulezandChris You want to be justified by the law, but you cant because you have already violated the law. You have NULLIFIED grace because you are trusting in keeping the law to save you..Of course God wants all believers to live a righteous life, but that righteous life doesn't save you..Your entire argument is illogical because if some other believers are living more righteous lives than you are, then compared to them you have lost salvation..If you continue to trust in works to maintain salvation then you will miss heaven unfortunately.

@@maximusvonce1381 So can a man still sleep with multiple women, never get married until death and still be saved??

​@@user-ds8sf3iv1gYes but you will pay the penalty of those sins in this life..Did you even listen to video...😂😂😂😂

Perhaps it points to Jesus. We need to have faith in the sacrifice.

They needed have faith in the sacrifices

Okay... Can you explain that better?

@VunderGuy we must believe on Jesus the sacrifice for our sins. Back then they had to trust in God because Jesus's sacrifice would be on them before the Mosaic Law. And during the Law perhaps they had to rely on the sacrifices at the temple to cover their sins for a year.

@@Talk-jn7xo Can you ask Onorato about it?

Scripture says the work of God is believing in Jesus.

Let's see if those "good deeds" of yours is good enough to take you to Heaven.

For today.

​@@OnoDiamantecorrect, but he doesn't believe the law saved old testament saints either. They literally had to sacrifice animals as atonement and to be cleansed of all sins as Leviticus 16 says. You should do a video specifically having to do with leviticus and animal sacrifices. I may be wrong, may have not studied enough on this, I'm always open to correction. But it seems it was by faith and obedience. Just like it will be during the great trib (no mark, endure to the end, be martyred for Christ).

​​@@ianhelgerson6146 just read the first 10 or so verses of Hebrews 10, that will clear up those verses in Levitcus for you..

Not for people in The Old Testament or Tribulation...Breaker says it's works...Gene Kim Also and they got that from their teacher - Peter Ruckman

@@ericfranklin4092 what video? He says works and faith everytime. When he says works he's not talking the law either, he's talking obedience through the animal sacrifices as Leviticus talks about.

The logic is the other way around: because they have faith they will never take the mark. When we read Paul's epistles, the apostle is shedding light how everyone is saved. Texts like Eph 2:9 or Rom 11:6 apply to everyone, in every dispensation. Heb 11 explains how faith produces works, that's not the same as works for salvation, hope you catch the difference.

Yeah, God says what He means and means what He says. The Gospel message is simple enough that a child can understand it. Jesus rejoiced that God revealed His truth to the “babes” of the world, but hid it from “the wise” (Luke 10:21). Anyone who is trying to complicate the message is going to miss the message.

Heb 11:4 By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh. The law in the OT was part of their walk, but similar to Abel and Cain, God would be please if they kept the law out of faith. Abel had faith that produces good works, Cain's offering was NOT from faith. It comes down to the intention of the heart, 1Cor 4:5.

quote" Adam and Eve had to work by NOT EATING of the tree". Working for what? to earn salvation? They were SINLESS before Genesis 3.

@@brandonanderson2066 How does that jive with the life of Lot?

Idk . I really do hope he saved . I use to love breaker 💔. My ex pastor knew him personally and he was a wolf in sheeps clothing. A total devil . So idk

Yes, it's difficult to not belive he is saved but who knows. The only 2 things I want to know is 1. Did Adam and Eve lose the Holy spirit when they tok the fruit or was they OSAS before that? 2. Is not don't take TMOTB a work in the tribulation?

@@arneedlund8512 the Holy Spirit wasn't given until Christ left....

​@@ronnieofnewyork7393You are right, but what about salvation. But that is I think quite complex issue and maybe even unique to them as they were close to God but they also were the first humans.

It's funny that you all preach faith alone in Christ for salvation but Yet Hold Robert Breakers salvation in question based upon His works.... mmmm do you really believe the Gospel....

I didn’t say he isn’t saved.

@@OnoDiamante no I asked that as a question I've seen people say he's not because he teach the faith works OT I believe he thinks after rapture they will also be back under it during tribulation because of the not being able take the mark is what he preaches was just curious on ur opinion with dispensationalist who prepach it like that because he ssys were underfaith/grace now

It’s just Gregg Jackson who says breaker isn’t saved

Abel's offer (Gen 4:4) was an offer of faith (Heb 11:4) in which atoning blood was shed (Heb 9:22), symbolic of Christ (John 1:29). Cain's offer was his own work (Gen 4:3), meaning he had no faith in God (Gen 4:5). Not sure if it helps.

Right on.

What do you mean different dispensations? Abraham only lived in one dispensation. He was only justified (received God's imputed righteousness) one time, Romans 4 says it was in Genesis 15 and was by faith alone with no works. Why would he need to be justified (receive God's imputed righteousness) a second time? What passage tells us the kingdom gospel is repent be baptized and obey the commandments for salvation? James 1:18 Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures. James 1 tells us that they were born again (Just like I Peter 1:23, John 3:3,5, Titus 3:5). Were they born again by works? If not would James list two separate ways of salvation in the same book?

@Aaron-cp9ys James 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered up his son Isaac on the altar? Seems to contradict Roman's 4 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness.” Rom 4 relates to Gen 15 prior to circumcision. Romans was written to the gentiles which can be Jew and non-Jew provided they rest solely in God's grace through Christ's finished work on the cross. Abraham was circumcised in Gen 17. James 2 relates to Gen 22 when Abraham was circumcised. James is written to the 12 tribes who follow the kingdom gospel rather than resting solely in God's grace through Christ's finished work on the cross. Two people (circumcised and uncircumcised) groups. Each under a different dispensation (faith alone - grace gospel and faith plus works such as baptism, repentence, obeying the commandments).

@@soffenback 1. You still haven't resolved the contradiction in your response. Abraham only lived in one dispensation. The starting point has to be answering how was Abraham justified, otherwise the theology has a contradiction in it regardless of what you believe about salvation in the tribulation. Abraham wouldn't need to be justified (or declared righteous by God) two times in his life. 2. Romans was written to Jews and Gentiles who could be saved by the same gospel (Romans 1:16). 3. James 1:18 says that the group James is writing to is born again - can a person be born again by works? 4. To break one command is to have broken all the commands - James 2:10. If works brought salvation wouldn't this imply it would be impossible to be saved by works? 5. Justification has more than one definition.

If righteousness comes from law Christ is dead in vain. U need to understand we all are sinners only Blood of Jesus Christ made us worthy nothing other than that. We can't come to conclusion - saved believers will not sin. Corinthians are the great example. They were still sinning even after saved. Flesh and Spirit are enemies some walk by Spirit some by flesh. Scriptures say, we are adopted. Adoption is irreversible and permanent. Eternal life is a free gift. Grace of God is greater than sin. Romans 5:18-20 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. 19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous. 20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:

@@Rgjun2024 I know and acknowledge all you said, but that isnt what I meant.

@@Rgjun2024 My emphasize is on the word believe, how do we define what that means. Do we have to believe in God or believe God. What about the old testament? They saw him and saw his miracles. Does that mean all who seen him are saved, bcs they would believe something they saw, but they did not trust God. Maybe "trust" is more improtant than belief. The belief/trust that Jesus died for our sins. Because couldnt you believe but still reject? This isnt how I necessarily think myself, I just want to learn more.

@@joojotin Believing is Receiving. When you believe you have Eternal life because Jesus Christ made the Blood Atonement and redeemed you from Hell - SAVED This is child like faith.

@@Rgjun2024 Thank you brother, you have given me food for thought. God bless you.

What is the definition of Justification? I've always been taught that it means for God to declare righteous. Is there some other definition you are using? If Abraham received God's imputed righteousness then by definition he would be justified as well. I don't understand the distinction between God's imputed righteousness and justification? This also seems to be the clear teaching of Romans 4:2-3 Romans 4:2-3 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God. 3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. What scripture teaches Noah had to build a boat for salvation? What scripture specifically teaches salvation will be by works during the tribulation?