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Were the Ancient Greeks and Romans White? 

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In this episode I am joined by Spencer McDaniel from Tales of Times Forgotten on a controversial episode that revolves around race, ethnicity and the ancient world.
Most people assume that everyone who lived in ancient Greece and Rome was white. This is a notion that has been continually reinforced through modern films and television shows. This is especially obvious in the egregiously historically inaccurate film 300, which portrays all the Greek characters as white and all the Persian characters as people of color. How accurate is this idea really, though? Were the Greeks and Romans really white? What does “whiteness” actually mean anyway?
I won’t deny that the majority of people who lived in Greece and Italy in ancient times would probably be considered white by most Americans if they were alive today. Nonetheless, the ancient Greeks and Romans certainly did not think of themselves as white and modern Greeks and Italians haven’t always been considered white either.
Furthermore, there were undoubtedly people whom we would consider Brown and Black present in ancient Greece and Rome from a very early date. These people almost certainly included famous ancient philosophers, writers, theologians, and even Roman emperors. In fact, people whom we would consider people of color probably made up a significant proportion of the total population of the Roman Empire, if not the majority.
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@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449
@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449 3 года назад
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@joekennedy5110
@joekennedy5110 3 года назад
thanks for the content dude
@dadsonworldwide3238
@dadsonworldwide3238 3 года назад
See im confused by what is white ir black because others have really wild defintions lol By some standards im black irish scottish Germainic American. Lol
@julesknight1511
@julesknight1511 3 года назад
I love your channel Nick! However, would really like to see more dealing with actual history and less with modern perspectives of ethnicity and race (that were not even applicable then) or be repeatedly concerned about whether one civilization or culture was white or black or whatever. I've been a history aficionado my entire life and it is never been a concern of mine whether or not the Egyptians were white or the Greeks were brown since it was clear they never even would have had those definitions of themselves in those times
@joekennedy5110
@joekennedy5110 3 года назад
@@dadsonworldwide3238 we are all hybrids
@dadsonworldwide3238
@dadsonworldwide3238 3 года назад
@@joekennedy5110 yup. I just get a laugh out some especially those black Hebrew they got some funny standards 🤣
@Utsubu
@Utsubu Год назад
The majority of them looked southern Euro. Why is this even debated?
@lyricofwise6894
@lyricofwise6894 Месяц назад
Southern Europeans during their time... are actually more ethnically related to the middle east east mediterranean (And obviously culturally as well i.e. the bulk of the roman empire, as every romaboo knows, was the ERE), during antiquity that is. than to the rest of Europe, Europe was considered uncivilized barbarian, until they civilized it and civilized the barbarians of Germania.
@kinidiosodlosios6892
@kinidiosodlosios6892 Месяц назад
@@lyricofwise6894 most of them were natives nothing to do with middle east clueless
@rocketraccoon1976
@rocketraccoon1976 3 года назад
No, they were all Chinese.
@edr.3229
@edr.3229 2 месяца назад
LMAO!!!🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
@theguywhoasked5591
@theguywhoasked5591 3 года назад
I can’t wait for the video, “Were the Zulu’s black?” Edit: Damn, looks like I’ll never get that video now. In all seriousness, rest in peace Nick. Such a tragic loss at such an incredibly young age. 🙏🏻
@blendorthaqi3186
@blendorthaqi3186 3 года назад
No idiot they were pink
@gideonros2705
@gideonros2705 3 года назад
Were the Zulu Chinese?😂🤣
@Runitup84
@Runitup84 3 года назад
@Etruscans civilization amen
@sklavenitis9073
@sklavenitis9073 3 года назад
@Etruscans civilization I'm greek and greeks where never black. Nor did we ever look at skin color as defining a man. Anyone who says so is racist. If your a northern European saying this because our skin is olive colored, your racist. If your a black man spreading these lies to try and promote some kind of black supremacy your a racist. Knock it off.
@gideonros2705
@gideonros2705 3 года назад
@Etruscans civilization Yes, white supremacist can go back in time and alter history so that now when archeologist unearth Minoan building structures the frescoes are all covered with white people. 😂😂😂 When you have no historical achievement as a group the easiest thing is to claim someone else's heritage.
@alexandrakaiafa1248
@alexandrakaiafa1248 3 года назад
They were checkered: green and pink during winter and magenda and ultra marine during summer. Everybody knows that.
@katia5165
@katia5165 3 года назад
χαχαχαχα
@Zeyede_Seyum
@Zeyede_Seyum 3 года назад
ixixixixixi
@mpquestionbeat8327
@mpquestionbeat8327 3 года назад
😂😂😂😂😂
@beholdenages
@beholdenages 3 года назад
Hahahahaha 😂
@tsiaa6790
@tsiaa6790 3 года назад
finally someone that knows real history!
@DarkSlayer010
@DarkSlayer010 3 года назад
The fact that we have to make videos like this, shows the sorry state of our society, and it’s obsession with race and colour.
@DarkSlayer010
@DarkSlayer010 3 года назад
@Deniz Metin T. indeed.
@Ruairitrick
@Ruairitrick 3 года назад
No one forces this person to make these videos. He consistently makes videos about race because he's aware it's good for clicks.
@huskernation1973
@huskernation1973 3 года назад
@@Ruairitrick it worked on you🤣
@collinsjeri07
@collinsjeri07 3 года назад
Some people are simply interested in genealogy. Racism is not an issue. It's a fascinating part of ancient history. Many people are interested in discovering their roots. Again, not racism, simply interesting facts to know or understand.
@giannarosize
@giannarosize 3 года назад
@@collinsjeri07 some people can you know... Look at the people who live in this countries and deside themselves, the correct question would be, if they consider themselves white or their perspective about race
@BlackadderFunk
@BlackadderFunk 3 года назад
I'm a Greek and I've always found this obsession (mainly from Americans) around whether Greeks are white or not somewhat bizarre, and the whole notion kind of forced on us. I've never felt part of a "white" club and have always felt like we are culturally distinct from "white" people regardless of our skin tone which, for a Greek person, has never been a defining factor around whether a person is Greek or not.
@noahtylerpritchett2682
@noahtylerpritchett2682 3 года назад
Skincolorism as a race is dipshit concept. It originated with the Arabs who introduced racializing skin as by race to western Europe via Al-Andalusia with Arabs and western Europeans racializing skin immaturely. When race was more just a local regional people of similar culture and nature and nurture and features. And common ancestry and values. Not continent spanning "white" or "black" race. With racializing skin being inconsistent as brown and olive people still getting divided into multiple races despite same skintones. Saying it's a race because of continent or skin is a bullshit concept Arabs and western Europeans should never have invented.
@CDRNY25
@CDRNY25 2 года назад
@@noahtylerpritchett2682 Arabs invented skin colorism? Provide sources
@AlbertManiscalco
@AlbertManiscalco Год назад
As a Sicilian American i feel this even more acutely. I can thank that prick Tarantino for further muddying the water with his racist and exploitative films
@fernandonp2534
@fernandonp2534 11 месяцев назад
Leave this problems with the races to the protestants. This is not our problem.
@brawndothethirstmutilator9848
@brawndothethirstmutilator9848 11 месяцев назад
It’s a made up category that even in America the definition has changed over time. It’s all B.S. and doesn’t actually exist.
@gioseanuandrei5489
@gioseanuandrei5489 3 года назад
They were Europeans. Are Europeans white?
@danbeaulieu2130
@danbeaulieu2130 3 года назад
The Irish became white in the 1980s.
@sklavenitis9073
@sklavenitis9073 3 года назад
@@danbeaulieu2130 I think alot of Irish Americans have forgotten this by the way I hear them speak about race.
@giannis_toupolemou
@giannis_toupolemou 3 года назад
No they were and are mediterranean. Mediterraneans are described as "olive skinned" with "dark hair". So yeah, they should be white jn todays standard huh?
@sklavenitis9073
@sklavenitis9073 3 года назад
@@giannis_toupolemou You don't seem to understand that there is this thing call dna testing now. Its impossible for you Arabs and Turks to lie about this anymore. Testing has been done on 3700 year old Greek DNA and it has been found to be related western and northern European DNA. NOT Arab, Not African, and Definitely not Ottoman.
@giannis_toupolemou
@giannis_toupolemou 3 года назад
@@sklavenitis9073 im not arab lmao, im just saying accept that ancient greeks were'nt what youd consider "white" today. There's no way. Same reason mediterraneans don't claim the nordic gods and culture.
@snail1720
@snail1720 3 года назад
Of course they faced discrimination but Greeks and Italians drank from the "white" water fountains during segregation and went to white schools. Europeans are considered white since they all share common ancestors. Neolithic, hunter-gatherers, Caucuses, Steppe.... all Europeans share these ancestors but in different ratios.
@karlmarx1730
@karlmarx1730 3 года назад
Many people outside of europe also share those ancestry. You assumption doesn't make sense.
@ajmerthethy6724
@ajmerthethy6724 3 года назад
Mixed race.
@Dragonette666
@Dragonette666 3 года назад
in the 20th century , yes , but in the 19th century , no.... there were plenty of people who would be "white" now who weren't considered white in the 1800s. Basically back then it was strictly WASP people that were white. Celtics, Slavics, Mediterraneans need not apply.
@percymiller8775
@percymiller8775 2 года назад
Many Italians where descriminated in the usa
@jordancarpenter4093
@jordancarpenter4093 2 года назад
@@ajmerthethy6724 is only one race: the human !!
@Mimix476
@Mimix476 3 года назад
“African” didn’t have the meaning it has today. That’s why Ethiopians were Ethiopians and not Africans.
@tack9571
@tack9571 3 года назад
@scsyc bxcvbx Bullshit. Italians have a 60% genetic similarities with Romans, and Greeks have 80%
@tack9571
@tack9571 3 года назад
@scsyc bxcvbx No and neither do modern Greeks, because that's a 2balkan4you meme. Memes don't constitute reality.
@tack9571
@tack9571 3 года назад
@scsyc bxcvbx Ffs you're a troll
@Yarblocosifilitico
@Yarblocosifilitico 3 года назад
on that note, those Ethiopian stone churches are interesting. Familiar design that makes ppl uncomfortable
@Yarblocosifilitico
@Yarblocosifilitico 3 года назад
@scsyc bxcvbx good for you. I suggest googling them tho; if you haven't seen them, they're not what you expect. Quite interesting ancient buildings.
@jordancarpenter4093
@jordancarpenter4093 2 года назад
In the past the Anglosaxon people were considered inferior barbarians by the tanned Mediterranean type: the Romans and Arabian people who gave them everything to the pale people : Algebra, trigonometry, arts,medicine,Alphabet etc
@TimtheEnchanter1121
@TimtheEnchanter1121 2 года назад
The "pale" people went to the moon. The "pale" people didn't need civilization. They were strong and adapted enough to their environment that they didn't have to live in artificial zoos such as the cities. They lived close to nature and as nature intended. As "barbarians." They were smart and tough. Just because they didn't live in zoos doesn't mean they had no tech or ideas. Chain mail armor for example is a Celtic invention that the Romans adapted. Maybe the tanned people needed the easy living of a civilization because they weren't strong enough to live as nature intended? If you're a cripple and you invent a wheel chair, that's resourceful. But if you're not a cripple and thus don't invent a wheelchairs that doesn't make you 1nf3ri0r. You just don't need the thing. Same goes for civilization. Europeans didn't need civilization. Perhaps the tans did.
@TimtheEnchanter1121
@TimtheEnchanter1121 2 года назад
You see, the cold and harsh climate of the north strongly selects for toughness, thoughtfulness, intelligence, strength, discipline, and creativeness. No wonder the Europeans managed to dominate.
@steviewonder417
@steviewonder417 Год назад
Saxon = Saka = Scythian: Ancient Romans and Greeks revered these people as the most civilized and noble. Cope harder.
@phillipjordan1010
@phillipjordan1010 3 месяца назад
Northern white europeans were a very strong and intelligent people until Christianity was forced upon them. Then they were ruined. Even til this day
@alexdragoon74
@alexdragoon74 2 месяца назад
Roman NEVER revered others people, only themselves! When Saxon pitted theyr face ed go make shit around the trees, roman make street and monuments!
@aaronmckay1711
@aaronmckay1711 3 года назад
So the short answer is yes they were predominantly white. Longer answer is they were quite diverse.
@sheerluckholmes7720
@sheerluckholmes7720 5 месяцев назад
😂 ...🎯
@robertfluxx
@robertfluxx 5 месяцев назад
the mediterranean tan isn't what americans call white .__.
@Liethen
@Liethen 3 года назад
This video asks if Greeks and Romans were white. You then list off non-Greek and non-ethnically Roman people from the Mediterranean. That has no baring on the ethnicity of the average Greek or Roman. By the way middle easterners and North Africans, even the really tan ones, are still classified as white by the USA census, and at the very least are closely related on a genetic level. After all 1/3rd of European dna came from the Middle East.
@tarosskozlov8791
@tarosskozlov8791 3 года назад
My dad was born in Kiev Ukraine and knew many Balkan/Slavic/Southern Euros who say there Caucasian
@Yarblocosifilitico
@Yarblocosifilitico 3 года назад
@@tarosskozlov8791 well, obviously. Slavs are as Caucasian as one can be haha. I wasn't aware anyone was doubting that
@reportedstolen3603
@reportedstolen3603 2 года назад
@@Yarblocosifilitico you know Caucasian actually encompasses Africans and Mediterranean people. The man who classified people into negro, mongoloid, etc Blumenbach I believe created the term. Some Slavs have considered Irish and Germans as Caucasian opposed to themselves.
@Yarblocosifilitico
@Yarblocosifilitico 2 года назад
@@reportedstolen3603 I didn't know. Seems absurd to me there's theories for everything. Anyway, bones don't lie. Skin can be more tanned or not, but the bone structure (skull mostly) will tell you who is Caucasian or not.
@reportedstolen3603
@reportedstolen3603 2 года назад
@@Yarblocosifilitico thats the thing they classified by cranial structure. regardless, He was the one who created the term, analyzed and considered some africans and mediterraneans as Cauc.
@dina113east
@dina113east 2 года назад
I am sorry to hear that Nick Barksdale passed away in early June. Sad news. He was 30 years old. Condolences to his Wife and Family.
@karmafocus2007
@karmafocus2007 Год назад
😢
@KingLoki121
@KingLoki121 8 месяцев назад
His channel is still active though? Also what type of infection did he have?
@dina113east
@dina113east 8 месяцев назад
I read that he had a sepsis infection in his heart. @@KingLoki121
@allmachtsdaggl5109
@allmachtsdaggl5109 3 года назад
"African" meant from the colony of Africa, wich was the vicinity of Carthage, nothing more. In that region lived a lot of people from the levant. Furthermore all of the Mediteranian was colonized by Greeks, Italians or Phoenicians to the extend what "Colony" meant back then.
@darktyrannosaurus22
@darktyrannosaurus22 3 года назад
Black peoples from beyond the Sahara were called Ethiopians during the Greek and Roman periods.
@allmachtsdaggl5109
@allmachtsdaggl5109 3 года назад
@@darktyrannosaurus22 that or Nubians in Egyptian texts
@lovinmclovin5290
@lovinmclovin5290 3 года назад
The person being interviewed is obviously WOKE and wants to promote her racist agenda totally ignoring the fact that Northern Africa was mostly Levantine, Kemerovo and Greek.
@rickhunter1317
@rickhunter1317 3 года назад
@@lovinmclovin5290 What was their language and where did it originate from?
@lovinmclovin5290
@lovinmclovin5290 3 года назад
@@rickhunter1317 who are you talking about? The Levantine, Greeks and Kemetic people? - Levantine (Carthaginian, so now Lybia) spoke a Semitic language, so related to Jews, Arabs, Sumerians, Babylonians (none black) - Egypt spoke an Afro-Asiatic language (related to Semitic from Arabs, Israel, Levant) - Greeks used Greek. So all the languages spoken back then and now (mostly Arabic) are not related to Black people. That's why Egyptians or Lybians are Africans (bit not black) and they call black people Sub Saharan Africans 😳 In other words, this WOKE video is selling us total WOKE bullshit, faking history. This is the same lady who claims Cleopatra was Black, when in fact she was white (yes surprised? She was white, wasn't even Egyptian, she was Greek, her name was Greek too, and she was the only one in her family who could speak Egyptian too according to historians... Also she loved in Egypt's capital called Alexandria, yes the name of Alexander the Great, not a black African either, but Greek / Macedonian 🤣)
@thecelt471
@thecelt471 2 года назад
Yes they were white.
@christopherkrol7452
@christopherkrol7452 2 года назад
They still are, just rebranded for political purposes 🙄 🤣
@xavseq727
@xavseq727 3 года назад
If only we had technology that could breakdown our genetic DNA code, we could then use it on these ancient skeletons!
@MrJoebrooklyn1969
@MrJoebrooklyn1969 3 года назад
Sarcasm?
@Historian212
@Historian212 3 года назад
Those tests are notoriously inaccurate except in archaeological circumstances when the population being studied is known to have been geographically isolated for many generations. In the case of ancient Greece and Rome, there was tremendous mixing. Even if you could trace a particular bone to only one geographical area (unlikely), that still wouldn’t tell you everything. Because peoples traveled, traded, and mixed. And the complications of that type of testing get more intense than that. Because people didn’t classify each other in the same ways as many people do today. (The commercial DNA tests that claim to tell a person’s ethnicity are basically BS, except in very fuzzy and general terms. And they go back about seven generations, at most, with any real accuracy. If you’re lucky. And their results often vary widely from one another. At best, the strictly maternal and paternal direct lines can be traced by more specific tests, but that leaves out most of a person’s genetic inheritance. Most geneticists are critical, to say the least, of the widespread scamming of people by these companies. DNA testing helps fill in the paper trail for a few generations, helpful for determining parentage and close family relationships. Without family history and documentation, nope.)
@3John-Bishop
@3John-Bishop 3 года назад
Even some black people have white DNA. They do not get any reparations.
@clarkwinters1770
@clarkwinters1770 3 года назад
@@Historian212 excuses, the records plainly tell us what type of people they were tell us what tribes founded their cities or civilization we know their physical appearance and the further back we go in time the remains are consistently in agreement with the primary sources.....this is just laughable.....you would think having access to so much info would make academics more interested but instead they seem to stick with the scores of modern books of echo chambers....all of which are in agreement in saying "we don't know,,,.wee cannot know... therefore I think" super duper smart
@CA-jz9bm
@CA-jz9bm 3 года назад
@@Historian212 "The commercial DNA tests that claim to tell a person’s ethnicity are basically BS" - you got 5% ashkenazi jewish didn't you... ;)
@fiore7939
@fiore7939 2 года назад
Long story short. Yes, they were white, Caucasian, to be precise, with a little variety here and there, but mostly white.
@Blue-jd8jf
@Blue-jd8jf 3 года назад
They were olive skinned/brown southern Europeans Mediterranean
@freckleheckler6311
@freckleheckler6311 3 года назад
No they weren’t. That dark they were not. That’s absurd
@woodpeckerfromspacewoodpec45
@woodpeckerfromspacewoodpec45 3 года назад
@@freckleheckler6311 Yes, they were! They were even darker than modern southern europeans (they had dark skin)! See "The genomic history of the Aegean palatial civilizations" in cell_dot_com.
@giannis_toupolemou
@giannis_toupolemou 3 года назад
Love how you lead with european and then mediterranean... tsk tsk sounds like you dint even believe your shit. If you thunk Greeks and Romans are white, then Indians and Arabs today shoud be considered white. Mediterreneans have so many physical and cultural similarities with Indians
@AnnRen-nh4ur
@AnnRen-nh4ur Год назад
@Me Myself do you get paid to spread malicious propaganda
@Jondoe297..
@Jondoe297.. 6 месяцев назад
@@giannis_toupolemouno they don’t 😂
@kilipaki87oritahiti
@kilipaki87oritahiti 3 года назад
Lol if you mean literally yes. Middle Eastern, and Mediterranean people, even North Africans are all white. It’s mostly Scandinavians that are famous for being blonde, and having blue eyes. This is not synonymous with being white, as most people believe...
@afrikash
@afrikash 3 года назад
80% of north africans carry a haplogroups related to the horn africa and speak a language from family that also began in the horn, the green sahara shows the original population as black and ancient dna from tarofalt show e1b1b1 and lacked the gene causing pale skin, phenotypically as the african horn. Neither North Africa or middle east was white, but darkskinned people that eventually depigmented by mixing. North Europe was civilized by darker south just accept reality
@Texasmade74
@Texasmade74 3 года назад
@@afrikash wrong
@vladimirvaldimirov3065
@vladimirvaldimirov3065 3 года назад
@@afrikash All European and Asian people carry haplogroups linked to North Africa and the Horn of Africa because that is from where the Homo Sapiens came into Eurasia.
@giannarosize
@giannarosize 3 года назад
What i know is that everyone was obsessed with us to get called white now that we are people don't want us to be, like if a the title of being white or not caries different history with it, way i see it skin colour have become like football teams today, everyone is obsessed with it, Greeks and Italians trade and and interacted with people from all around, and have a sertain culture and history, skin colour won't change that, it's not like if we say we are white that means Anglos let's say can claim the history as part of theirs
@shylock5477
@shylock5477 3 года назад
@@giannarosize 😂😂😂
@MrJoebrooklyn1969
@MrJoebrooklyn1969 3 года назад
You're confusing the latter part of the Roman empire with the ethnicity and race of the original Romans. The original Romans were 7 Latin tribes that meandered into the Italian peninsula between 1000 BC and 800 BC. They eventually united all Latins and then conquered all of Italy who's original people were Italic who were also white. This question is so dumb I dont mbow where to even start.
@DM-nl7kf
@DM-nl7kf 3 года назад
Right sir!
@steviewonder417
@steviewonder417 3 года назад
This is what so many scholars do now. They are so motivated by petty partisan politics they have to recategorize and revise history to tell a story that is basically the same if you read between the lines but has the superficial appearance of giving credit where none is due to people who have nothing to do with ancient Rome or Greece. I mean obviously she isn’t saying they were black or something but she’s using imprecise and abstract language to sort of leave the door open for non whites to imagine themselves as possibly being the progenitors or contributors to these great civilizations. It’s so transparent and pathetic.
@MrJoebrooklyn1969
@MrJoebrooklyn1969 3 года назад
@@steviewonder417 it made me laugh when he/she said that the founder of soiticsm was described as "dark". My ex-wife was a light skinned Indian. My Mother is Lilly white and my Mother use to say that my ex-wife was "dark", lol. The term is arbitrary. The Greeks were caucasian period. Just because they were Mediterranean and some might have been a little tan is meaningless for this discussion. The problem is guilt ridden whites are trying so hard to make non-whites feel like they have accomplished something as a group because in modern and even post Classical times they have accomplished and built next nothing. Sub-saharan African blacks didn't even have the wheel before they came in contact with with Muslims and Europeans.
@peterroberts7684
@peterroberts7684 3 года назад
The Romans were white,but their were Romanized Phoenicians ,like emperor Septimius Severa..
@edwardwright9344
@edwardwright9344 3 года назад
Better study your Bible. Ethiopia had the wheel.
@LigaFantasma
@LigaFantasma 3 года назад
Spencer wants it both ways. He says race is a construct then speaks of non-European as if that automatically means non-white . If race is a construct then the race of these early Levantine and Amazigh people is strictly interpretational. The idea that Levantine and Amazigh aren't "white" is a construct of the modern West. The ancient Egyptians definitely viewed Lybians and Syrians as white/tan not dark or black.
@someguy8732
@someguy8732 3 года назад
Yup, they love to tell white people they don't exist any time you open your mouth but as soon as they want to criticize you and rewrite your history they suddenly know exactly who is and isn't white
@carlomariaromano4320
@carlomariaromano4320 3 года назад
@@someguy8732 They have no problem with using the term black people when they try to prove that Rome wasn't all white.
@rosalynbeatty8310
@rosalynbeatty8310 2 года назад
@Ligafantasma. Ancestors of Berbers or Amazigh were the brown - black Guaramantes & Ibero-Mauritians indigenous to north Africa. Many Berbers/ Amizigh are still black or brown. Many ancestors of the Syrians, Elamites, Sumerians are painted as dark brown w/ tight curly hair. 'God does not see black or white.' - Baha'u'llah.
@danieldigiuseppe7912
@danieldigiuseppe7912 5 месяцев назад
​@someguy8732 Yeah they act like because the greeks saw one black guy. That they are a mixed race. So sick of it.
@somewhereintheworld4325
@somewhereintheworld4325 3 года назад
Currently there are three human races - woke, covidians and normal people.
@joshaklese4969
@joshaklese4969 3 года назад
STUNNING AND BRAVE
@dimtsk838
@dimtsk838 3 года назад
My humble opinion is that the American definition of race is just stupid. The colour of the skin becomes darker in Europe as you go from north to south. Warmer weather, darker skin, as simple as that. I suggest we redefine race according to the colour of our eyes 😂
@TheJodolivia
@TheJodolivia 3 года назад
humble and clever.
@als3022
@als3022 3 года назад
So you agree the Mediterranean is technically it's own group.
@giannarosize
@giannarosize 3 года назад
@@als3022 i think anyone could see their is major difference between let's say a Italian and a Greek this a German or a Celt, especially in the south parts of those countries that are more intact from the north populations, there were even racist movements from the both parts of Europe who were claiming they are the "better race", check out what Mediterranism is for example, Greeks and Italians before ww2 they were not considered white in America (see the burning of Greek town by kkk)
@giannarosize
@giannarosize 3 года назад
@@als3022 people here were making the distinguish way before all this race bs circus, but here we debating if Mediterranea is it's own group of not, like if it's going to make any difference
@giannarosize
@giannarosize 3 года назад
@@als3022 history and culture are far more important factors than a difference in melanin and facial characteristics
@MDLi0n
@MDLi0n 3 года назад
Yeah, like Italians and Spanish are White despite having been suntanned, as in Caucasians, as in European.
@oddindian1
@oddindian1 3 года назад
In the modern sense yes, historically no.
@antinoofromgreece6560
@antinoofromgreece6560 3 года назад
@@oddindian1 Historically Iberia is white, is Caucasian, although some of them aren't very white as northern Europeans.
@oddindian1
@oddindian1 3 года назад
@@antinoofromgreece6560 The Celtic peoples in southern Iberia do fit within caucasian origin. Iberians themselves as I understand it do not, the Basque(Vascones) least of all. Most of the recent genetic insertion is Germanic and north African. In the modern sense you could maybe get away with saying some Spaniards and Portuguese are Caucasian. In reality that varies wildly from person to person and region to region. Overall it wouldn't be correct to say Iberians/Spaniards/Portuguese are Caucasian because that by in large are from a majority of blood that is indigenous.. That's like saying Hungarians are white and or Slavic. None of which are always true in every case. So in short some are more "white" than others or not at all. Even saying that a Caucasian is "white" is a slippery slope to begin with.
@antinoofromgreece6560
@antinoofromgreece6560 3 года назад
@@oddindian1 What you are saying is quite nonsense. First of all, Caucasian is a skull type it is not related to the skin tone, for example, you can find some dark caucasians in South India, the Tamil people which the paternal DNA is caucasians. You're arguing that Iberians
@antinoofromgreece6560
@antinoofromgreece6560 3 года назад
@@oddindian1 That some Iberians aren't caucasians, well what you've mentioned is nonsense and just based on skin tone. I'm a gypsy, I'm dark but although dark I'm a caucasian.
@AndYourLittleDog
@AndYourLittleDog 3 года назад
My ancestry is Greek and Cypriot going back generations. My entire family has white to olive skin with brown, blue or green eyes. We all check the “Caucasian” box. Stop this nonsense.
@sklavenitis9073
@sklavenitis9073 3 года назад
Thank you, My family is from Lefkada going back hundreds of years. We are White, We Are European, I'm getting sick of all this talk about how greeks are black, or greeks are Arab. It straight bull shit.
@chosenone3527
@chosenone3527 3 года назад
You look Middle-Eastern lol
@sklavenitis9073
@sklavenitis9073 3 года назад
@Mz TTM o.o you don't even know what I look like. (I look like Josh Hartnetts twin brother, skin color and all. People have mistaken me for him often.) So your definition of "white" must be based on race alone. Can you tell me what European races are white and what ones aren't so I know better from now on? Are the French white to you? They have a southern European tan. Say someone like Jonny Depp, is he white to you? I'm very confused please tell me the ways of the white man oh wise one.
@giannis_toupolemou
@giannis_toupolemou 3 года назад
Before Rome conquering most of Europe, long before then, Ancient Greeks were described as "olive skinned" with "dark hair", just as the original Romans were. You're "whiteness" is a product of Roman influence in 80% of europe and european migration to the mesiterranean. You're not pure original mediterranean.
@sklavenitis9073
@sklavenitis9073 3 года назад
@@giannis_toupolemou You dumb shit we are original European Mediterranean. Not Arab Mediterranean or African Mediterranean. Do you think that there is some magical single race that sprung up out of the dirt of the Mediterranean and is the only race that rightfully lives/lived there?
@kimberlyperrotis8962
@kimberlyperrotis8962 3 года назад
Yes, but to ancient Romans “Africa” was a province on the shore of the Mediterranean. They didn’t use the term like we we use it today, generally meaning sub-Saharan Africa, when referring to peoples. I think the majority of people living in areas controlled by the ancient Roman or Greek Empires would be considered white today. At least, I consider North Africans, Arabs, Israelis, Egyptians, Syrians, Middle Easterners/Persians, and most South Asians, etc. to be caucasian/white, like most Ancient Europeans. Of course, there would be an unknown percentage of black (sub-Saharan) Africans, South and Central Asians present, too.
@candicecantoo92
@candicecantoo92 3 года назад
Yes, look at the ancient Egyptian mummies as well as those found along the silk road: red & blonde hair, caucasian features. These were the ancient peoples... of the Middle East, North Africa & India/Asia, "white" people were much more prolific at that time & numbers have consistently dropped worldwide through concentrated efforts of the controllers. This is why they want the world to believe that there were no "white" people in these lands, however, unfortunately for them... the facts say differently. (Robert Sepehr channel anthropologist.)
@Mr02k
@Mr02k 3 года назад
@@candicecantoo92 wtf
@catocall7323
@catocall7323 3 года назад
Also, the entirety of the levant and what is now turkey were much less Arab in antiquity then they are now. During antiquity these lands were settled predominantly by Indo-Europeans with a few Semitic groups like the Jews in the mix.
@Mr02k
@Mr02k 3 года назад
@@catocall7323 Turkey is not arabic, and when it comes to the Levant, the process or arabization was cultural, the arab conquerers were a small elite and arabia had, has it has now, very few people comparing to the surounding areas. Also, the Kurds are indo-european. I think you're making very confused statements and mixing language with genetics and an overall ignorance of the region's history.
@steviewonder417
@steviewonder417 3 года назад
@@Mr02k how do you not know this?
@Viodoxy
@Viodoxy 3 года назад
Yes. Next question
@al1665
@al1665 3 года назад
Why does Harvard discriminate Asians?
@Viodoxy
@Viodoxy 3 года назад
@@al1665 ahhhahah what does that have to do with Greeks and Romans,?
@Zeyede_Seyum
@Zeyede_Seyum 3 года назад
@@al1665 It doesn't they're just too smart.
@hollymedici2936
@hollymedici2936 3 года назад
well when my grandparents were not considered white enough...
@TVaz7777
@TVaz7777 3 года назад
It's not that simple. White is a concept created in the US. Caucasians are not the same thing. There are many ethnicities within the Caucasian race and US stupidly use this "white" term usually to refer to those with Nordic and Anglo-Saxon ancestry.
@petrairene
@petrairene 3 года назад
The ancients didn't enslave people based on the colour of their skin so they had no problem with skin colour as a marker of discrimination.
@petrairene
@petrairene 3 года назад
@@glorioushotwingsjr5080 Yeah. But barbarian status was not attributed due to skin colour.
@oldmandoinghighkicksonlyin1368
@oldmandoinghighkicksonlyin1368 3 года назад
That's right: back in their time all slaves were created equal.
@robinfinley7317
@robinfinley7317 3 года назад
@@oldmandoinghighkicksonlyin1368 haha
@dorianphilotheates3769
@dorianphilotheates3769 3 года назад
GloriousHotWingsJr - They thought that because we are.
@dorianphilotheates3769
@dorianphilotheates3769 3 года назад
M H - No; you’re confusing the Latin “barbatus” (bearded) with the onomatopoeic Greek “bar-bar-bar” (unintelligible barking mimicking sounds) which is the origin of “barbaros” (βάρβαρος)-Greek for “barbarian”.
@jamesfreeman7182
@jamesfreeman7182 3 года назад
'White' doesn't apply, they were Roman or Greek, which were 'races'in their own context of that time. 'White'' is only a term in opposition to 'black,' which is a term equally dependent on the context of post Reconquista trans Atlantic history. These terms do not translate.
@Ace-sb4il
@Ace-sb4il 3 года назад
More like nationality. I thought it was common sense that Rome was mixed in it empire stage in the same way as America
@gianlucarossi5672
@gianlucarossi5672 3 года назад
White does apply to ethnic/native Romans and Greeks.
@Ace-sb4il
@Ace-sb4il 3 года назад
@@gianlucarossi5672 not 100 yrs ago
@gianlucarossi5672
@gianlucarossi5672 3 года назад
@@Ace-sb4il Oh yes.
@giannis_toupolemou
@giannis_toupolemou 3 года назад
@@gianlucarossi5672 mediterraneans were described as "olive skinned" with "dark hair". If anything, Mediterraneans look Arabic. Heck, Greek and Indian culture have so many similarities - from Gods to clothing & social constructs, etc.
@dylanwatson4591
@dylanwatson4591 3 года назад
Alexander was described as fair to the point of ruddy. There's zero reason to believe he or the classical Greeks weren't similar. Lay off the wokeness.
@RU-Aussie
@RU-Aussie 3 года назад
Alexander was Macedonian. Macedonians are fair modern greeks look like Arabs .
@gianlucarossi5672
@gianlucarossi5672 3 года назад
Look at Romans and Greeks on their statues and busts, you see such faces all across Europe. Liberals like this scholar and other guests on this channel, want to hide the fact, that ancient Romans and Greeks were white since it doesn't fit their woke and PC agenda. If you states facts they scream racists, white supremacy. The academic world is a mess right now where freedom of thoughts and speech are suppressed.
@maniacgr2617
@maniacgr2617 3 года назад
@@RU-Aussie Macedonski, are Tatars, with slanted eyes and epicanthic fold.
@RU-Aussie
@RU-Aussie 3 года назад
@@maniacgr2617 Im Australian so not sure about that but greeks are Arab looking cause they are turks.
@maniacgr2617
@maniacgr2617 3 года назад
@@RU-Aussie Turks ,Greeks, Arabs, all the same according to the tatar.
@benjalucian1515
@benjalucian1515 3 года назад
Based on a 21st century lens, the answer is yes. Did the ancients care? Not really.
@aleksa6548
@aleksa6548 2 года назад
Well not caring is a bit overstatement in my opinion. Would Roman men marry black girl for example, I hight doubt that, as his children would be looked down upon as foreigners
@benjalucian1515
@benjalucian1515 2 года назад
@@aleksa6548 - er there are poems written by ancient Roman men about how hot they thought African women were. They did marry them. The Roman empire extended into north Africa, so they wouldn't be "foreign', they were part of the Roman empire.
@christopherkrol7452
@christopherkrol7452 2 года назад
Before the moors they were white, after they became what they are
@AnnRen-nh4ur
@AnnRen-nh4ur Год назад
@@christopherkrol7452 And what is your ethnicity/skin color?
@christopherkrol7452
@christopherkrol7452 Год назад
@AnnRen-nh4ur why would that matter? White man can only come from white parents, anything else is arab or mongol
@soik1401
@soik1401 3 года назад
Somewhat dissapointed. I was interested in the genetic make up about the Ancient Greeks and Romans. I.e. Minoans, Mycenaeans, Dorians for the Greeks etc. What were they? The whole presentation was about examples of some Africans and Near Easteners which were or became Greeks and Romans.
@someguy8732
@someguy8732 3 года назад
Well yeah, what do you expect? If they actually looked at genetics it would just be "yeah, they were white europeans, here is the DNA evidence."
@sebastianlayton6387
@sebastianlayton6387 3 года назад
@@someguy8732 They are Mediterranean not germanic...
@someguy8732
@someguy8732 3 года назад
@@sebastianlayton6387 white doesn't just mean Germanic. Where the hell did you get that idea. White is just genetically European
@yomamawanmadikku9094
@yomamawanmadikku9094 3 года назад
@@sebastianlayton6387 Dorian and the galatians, Atwell as the mitanni all started out white
@yomamawanmadikku9094
@yomamawanmadikku9094 3 года назад
@@someguy8732 modern Mediterranean are bronce not brown this is due to Semitic admixture from years of cultural ties to Levant and Mesopotamia, Egypt ect...
@belialord
@belialord 3 года назад
Imagine if we were to apply this reasoning consistently: We know the Nubians interacted with the Romans for centuries, this naturally raises the obvious question: Were the Nubians really black? Well, we have lots of evidence showing a strong Roman presence in Nubia, we've even found Roman artifacts there, such as the Meroe head of the emperor Augustus! Therefore, we can conclude the Nubians were in fact multiracial!
@MZ-9993
@MZ-9993 3 года назад
Yeah, its a posibility. Nubia had a strong connection to the ancient middle east, so its laughable to assume that it was 100% "black"
@MZ-9993
@MZ-9993 3 года назад
@Alex Soltesz so you say that China is definetely 100% yellow?
@wodenravens
@wodenravens 3 года назад
Modern academia seems utterly obsessed with race. Modern academia produces scholars who are far more consumed by race and 'Whiteness' than almost anyone else.
@belialord
@belialord 3 года назад
@@MZ-9993 Right? And yet I'm pretty sure we won't be seeing a "Were the Nubians black?" video, because assuming we can't answer yes unless they were a 100% black is just as laughable as assuming we can't answer yes unless the Romans were 100% white.
@wodenravens
@wodenravens 3 года назад
@Alex Soltesz I am fascinated by black culture and love learning about non-white cultures. I certainly do not delude myself into thinking that there is anything inherently superior about white culture. But my problem is with trying to shoehorn race into every discussion of history.
@blogbalkanstories4805
@blogbalkanstories4805 2 года назад
A rather woke and misleading interpretation. It isn't true that WASPs didn't consider Italians or Greeks not white or not fully white. This ahistorical interpretation just ignores that "whiteness" isn't one homogenous racial concept. Rather, racism within white populations is as common as racism from whites towards people of darker skin (or the other way round, for argument's sake.) Same goes for inner-black racism in Africa, for instance. Or inner-Asian racism in Asia. Also see Antisemitims, rampant racism against the Irish etc. Spencer McDaniel builds his own strawmen that are then easy to destroy. This is all too typical of "Critical Race Theory". Also, he seems to have little awareness of how the populations in the Levante such as Syria have changed over time. There is also no mention of the fact that Africa did not mean the same thing it does today. It refers to the Roman provinces in Norther Africa, not to the continent. While there were almost certainly more black people living there in Antiquity than today, they were almost certainly not the majority. Rather, the population was a mix of Berber tribes - who seem to have also comprised a relatively large black population -, Middle Eastern and European colonists. So when Augustinus thinks of himself as African, he means something very different from how we understand the term today. I mean it's fine to point out that Romans and Greeks did not have the racial concepts many people have today and that Roman society was multiethnic. (Greek societies were not so much until the Roman conquest, as they mainly precluded foreigners from participating in their political life. Even Greeks born outside one's own city state never had a chance to citizenship in most cases.) But they were both obsessed with ancestry, and there is preciously little discussion of that in this video. McDaniel portraits it as if neither Greeks nor Romans cared much about that, and presumably with the purpose of fitting them into modern political ideologies. This is just historically wrong. When we talk about a Roman Emperor called Philip the Arab - why do you think his origin was mentioned so specifically? Because it was so highly unusual that people noticed and thought it a good idea to mention that. There is also some anecdotal evidence about what we can describe as open racism. One involved Emperor Septimus Severus, whom McDaniels uses as a argument to imply how non-racist Roman society was. As Septimus Severus inspects Hadrian's Wall - probably around 209 or 210 CE - he spots an Ethopian soldier. He remarks upon that observation and reports it as a bad omen that he must die soon. Since he did die in 211, we can assume that the anecdote was ascribed to him posthumously, but it shows us two things, nevertheless: First that black Roman soldiers were rare enough to be noticed and remembered. And secondly that racism was not alien to Romans, even those originally from Norther Africa. Plus, let's not forget that Roman Emperors were basically military dictators, many of whom ascended to the throne in coups d'etats, not through elections - much like Septimus Severus himself. So, an ethnic Arab as Roman Emperor is no evidence that the Romans didn't care about that sort of thing. It just means he had a great enough army. By extension, this means that military careers were possible for outsiders. They were considered good enough to die for Rome, most of the time, but were mostly excluded from Roman political life until very late. Plus we must not forget that Romans also employed auxilliary forces who were raised from local populations and were generally paid less than legionaries. So, yes, in the heyday of the Roman Empire there would have been some black people living throughout the Empire but not very many outside of Rome and a few other bigger cities. Not out of racism, but the Sahara was an even greater barrier to migration than it is today, and there was no direct maritime connection to Ethopia. Middle Easterners or the by definition multiethnical Northern Africans would have been a different story, they would have been plentiful in the bigger cities. As for the criticism of "300": It is a protofascist propaganda piece. That's for sure.There is open racism in how the Persians are portrayed. That part of the criticism is valid. The way the Spartans are shown is clearly protofascist. We can call that racist by extension. But: The Spartans only let pure bred Spartans fight as regular soldiers. Heck, they even enslaved their neighboring Greek tribes and looked down on them in what we can clearly call racism. So not showing a dark skinned Spartan warrior is simply historically accurate and not in itself racist. In short: Things are a bit more complicated than Spencer McDaniel makes them out to be. Projecting one's own political beliefs and concepts into historical settings is never a good idea. It is also bad for the occasionally justified criticism of other people's flawed and often ideologically driven historiography.
@joshuamoon9312
@joshuamoon9312 2 года назад
Ancient Greeks were olive skinned though. Not pasty.
@edelgyn2699
@edelgyn2699 Год назад
@BBS In short: nope. I suspect McDaniel knows more than conveyed in this brief video and certainly more than you based on your responses about the ancient history of northern African or the Roman Empire.
@blogbalkanstories4805
@blogbalkanstories4805 Год назад
@@edelgyn2699 I suspect he knows very little about history in general. All of what I said can easily be checked and reflects scholarly consensus among historians.
@peterthesneakybastar
@peterthesneakybastar 2 года назад
For those wondering the answer from a scientific perspective: Ancient Greeks are closely related to modern Greeks, and Ancient Italians are closely related SOUTHERN modern Italians. Both Ancient Italians and Greeks had plenty of pale faces as well as brown European faces. Generally speaking they’re dark white people. If anything, Greeks nowadays are genetically slightly lighter than before due to 14% Slavic admixture. Northern Italians are now much lighter than their ancient predecessors because they’re mostly related to Celtic/Germanic immigrants that arrived after the fall of Western Rome. Southern Italians, if anything, are slightly darker now due to Berber (North African) admixture during the Middle Ages. The city Rome specifically however is a very different story. Rome generally contained Neolithic Mediterranean DNA closely resembling Greeks, but only during the era of the Roman Republic. As soon as the Roman Empire formed, mass Near Eastern immigration exploded into the city quickly reaching one million people, and almost completely replacing the DNA prior. According to a recent Stanford study, the city became genetically 40% Greek, 28% Middle Eastern, 24% Italian, 4% North African, and 4% Celtic. This would likely mean the people there were technically white, however darker than most ancient Italians and Greeks considering at least a third of their DNA is not of European descent. After the city was sacked in 476 AD the majority of its citizens either left or were killed by Goths and widespread disease, and thus the population there was once again genetically replaced. Today the city’s citizens are much lighter than the ancient Romans.
@vnorm2907
@vnorm2907 2 года назад
North Africa and Middle Eastern DNA? There is no such thing.
@wankawanka3053
@wankawanka3053 2 года назад
Whiteness of italians and greeks is determined from how much we go to the beach 😎
@vnorm2907
@vnorm2907 2 года назад
@@wankawanka3053 lol
@sergpie
@sergpie 2 года назад
I just got my dna results, and though born in Rome, to parents from Latium and Campania, I came back with 9% Egyptian, 11% Levant/Caucasus, 16% German, 11% Sardinian, and just over 52% broadly Italian. Back up until my great grandparents on both sides; they’re all gingers, blondes, and light brunettes, and not a single relative with brown eyes. My hair came out kind of curly, but that’s it 😝
@wharris381
@wharris381 Год назад
I doubt that modern Greeks are lighter than ancient Greeks. Greeks have always mixed with North Africa and the Middle East since the colonial era, as well as with Türkiye in terms of population exchange. According to DNA tests, Albanians have higher ancient Greek DNA than modern Greeks, because Albanians and their ancestors are Isolated in history and rarely communicate with the outside world, unlike Greeks are mixed everywhere in the Middle East and North Africa. Modern Albanians look whiter than Greeks.The Mycenaeans and Dorians are white skin Indo-Europeans who played an important role in ancient Greece. The Spartans are Dorians. Slavic immigrants did not change the composition of the Greeks. The Byzantine emperor once moved a large number of Slavs from Greece to Anatolia
@gianlucarossi5672
@gianlucarossi5672 3 года назад
Asking whether ethnic Romans or Greeks were white is like asking is water wet? As an Italian I'm disgusted at how liberal progressive American scholars distort and play with and politicise our history and heritage. Native, ethnic Romans and Greeks were what is deemed white or European, regardless of whether they were tanned, pale or swarthy. It's also irrelevant, that the Romans or Greeks didn't consider themselves as "white" since even the ghostly white Northern Europeans didn't refer to themselves as "white" either. Plus, a tanned skin was considered attractive and masculine on males. Therefore Roman or Greek males had be dark, and avoid being pale for not being "white" as a female. That's why in Roman or Greek paintings males were often depicted tanned and females pale to reflect the gender roles, the outdoors and indoors activities, the contrast between the beauty standards for males and females. However, being too swarthy was according to Cicero the complexion of a slave. The other question- was the Roman Empire multicultural? Short answer- yes. Did the Romans depicted Non-Europeans or so-called POC in their art. Of course. But this fact remains, the Founders and Fathers of the Roman Empire were Italics who fit the bill of "whiteness", and who were as European as any Celts, Germanic tribes or Vikings. In fact that Italics had ties to Celts and shared the same ancestors who hailed from Central Europe.
@gyorkshire257
@gyorkshire257 3 года назад
The guy literally explains how that is not the case, the concept of whiteness and being a European did not exist at that time.
@gianlucarossi5672
@gianlucarossi5672 3 года назад
@@gyorkshire257 And you blindly parrot this guy without using your brain? It doesn't matter that the concept of race and whiteness didn't exist back then. Native Romans and Greeks were what is deemed white/Caucasian today. We don’t need this guy to tell us that Augustus, Nero, Tiberius or Caligula who looked generic European and white, were white. The same goes for Nubians/Ethiopians who were what deems black today. Think for yourself and stop being a mindless parrot of left-wing scholars who are inserting their liberal views and PC narrative on ancient people and history. Besides, there are historians and anthropologists who think it's silly to pretend, that we can’t apply modern racial categories for classifying ancient people.
@gyorkshire257
@gyorkshire257 3 года назад
@@gianlucarossi5672 White is not a real thing, it is a category we use today in a somewhat inconsistent way to describe people of broadly European descent or who appear as if they could be. It is used inconsistently from country to country and time to time. The irony of your post is that you obviously care so much about whiteness that you have discovered it doesn't actually exist! Most people just accept "whiteness" as if it were real, but you have gone and spoiled it for yourself by being so obsessed with race. In your heart of hearts, you know race is not real, everything you believe is a lie.
@gianlucarossi5672
@gianlucarossi5672 3 года назад
@@gyorkshire257 But native Romans would fit the bill of what people today call white. Even if native Romans were olive skinned, brownish they would be considered as tanned white. Caucasian is a better category than white, though.
@deusdat
@deusdat 3 года назад
Bottom line: they WERE white.
@gianlucarossi5672
@gianlucarossi5672 3 года назад
And that's illegal according liberals, thus they have to explain it away.
@user-fi3xc1wn9e
@user-fi3xc1wn9e Месяц назад
They were black, and ancient chinese and japan were black. In europe white people didn't exit when black people came to europe. World know about this , first people in all world was ancient black people.
@user-ox3wt1db6l
@user-ox3wt1db6l 2 года назад
They weren’t white or black, when you look at the ancient wall paintings they had olive skin ✊🏽 not ✊🏻 or ✊🏿
@corymiller536
@corymiller536 Год назад
Basically dark brown???
@AnnRen-nh4ur
@AnnRen-nh4ur Год назад
@@corymiller536 They are Caucasians
@AnnRen-nh4ur
@AnnRen-nh4ur Год назад
There are many Greeks who have fair skin have you seen any modern day greek people? What race are you?
@dinos9607
@dinos9607 3 года назад
Well, there are software packages that turn artwork into photo-realistic faces. The ancient Greek and Roman busts turn out to give faces that you would see in Athens and Rome today. What a surprise! LOL!
@azurephoenix9546
@azurephoenix9546 3 года назад
well sure. they're as ethnically mixed now as they ever were.
@dinos9607
@dinos9607 3 года назад
@@azurephoenix9546 that is something very relative
@randomstuff1315
@randomstuff1315 2 года назад
@@azurephoenix9546 The ancient and modern Greeks are actually less mixed than Germans when it comes to ancient Hunter Gatherers
@esti-od1mz
@esti-od1mz 2 года назад
@@azurephoenix9546 didn't the Huns married germanic women, my friend?
@azurephoenix9546
@azurephoenix9546 2 года назад
@@esti-od1mz I'm sure the huns "married" many women in many countries, but it was the Germans who were referred to as "the huns" Well into the 20th century, though by then they weren't any more hun than a Frenchman
@wifil532
@wifil532 3 года назад
Question: Greeks and Romans white or not? The answer I expected:Yes or no Spencer: 30 minutes nonstop blabbering
@dannynmelissa57
@dannynmelissa57 2 года назад
Little to much liberal college in Spencers talk
@dannynmelissa57
@dannynmelissa57 2 года назад
@Mark Milicci I just go by the way they described themselves and they was Caucasian
@dannynmelissa57
@dannynmelissa57 2 года назад
@Mark Milicci it's cool 😎
@moserbite2159
@moserbite2159 2 года назад
sigh .. . here ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-YQjec7Pohgo.html , how about some TRUE BLACK African super-civilization and culture?
@GhostSal
@GhostSal 2 года назад
Answer = No For one, there really is only one race, the human race; everything else is a social construct. Also, if you do separate people by physical traits and ancestry you can clearly see differences. Roman ancestors were the Latin Tribes where their language, culture and identity comes from. Without which no one alive today would be called Latin/Latino/Latinx. The other major group in Europe were the Germanic Tribes with a completely different culture, language and identity. Romans had olive skin or darker (just like southern Italians today), dark hair and eyes. Germanic people were pale skin and had hair color variations like blonde hair and blue eyes. What she said in the video has some truth about being in the sun you do get darker but I have family that no matter how much time they are inside never get pale looking (so no it isn’t just the sun). One more thing, they didn’t see themselves all the same. Romans considered the Northern Europeans like the Germanic Tribes as the pale skin violent blondes and those to the south as dark skin intelligent people. While they put themselves right in the middle as the best overall.
@giuseppelogiurato5718
@giuseppelogiurato5718 3 года назад
For someone who claims to know a lot about Greece, she doesn't pronounce Greek words very well... She needs to learn about diphthongs.
@evamentos7171
@evamentos7171 2 года назад
he has not read a single history book, if he knows greek i am a nuclear scientist
@colinchampollion4420
@colinchampollion4420 Год назад
You are sooo correct~ she needs to be replaced with someone with a fluent knowledge of the Greek language 😳👌😤!
@celeriacmarcus
@celeriacmarcus Год назад
She has a strange way of pronouncing Ethiopia like I never heard it before. She's no historian.
@fernandonp2534
@fernandonp2534 11 месяцев назад
She/he have a lot of information but don´t understand so much. "USA state of mind".
@damaskosc
@damaskosc 3 года назад
Long story short: they knew they were white, but they didn't have any serious hangups about it.
@youngimperialistmkii
@youngimperialistmkii 3 года назад
I think that the best point made in this vid. Is that attempting to apply a modern concept of race to the ancient peoples of the Mediterranean world would be the biggest hangup if all. Perhaps if you want to understand those people, and their perspective on the world you must divorce yourself from so strongly leaning on 20th century idea's about race and identity.
@Texasmade74
@Texasmade74 3 года назад
@Etruscans civilization no such thing as black Minoans or black Greeks and here are the DNA findings on Greek DNA from 3 years ago
@Texasmade74
@Texasmade74 3 года назад
@Etruscans civilization "The origins of the Bronze Age Minoan and Mycenaean cultures have puzzled archaeologists for more than a century. We have assembled genome-wide data from 19 ancient individuals, including Minoans from Crete, Mycenaeans from mainland Greece, and their eastern neighbours from southwestern Anatolia. Here we show that Minoans and Mycenaeans were genetically similar, having at least three-quarters of their ancestry from the first Neolithic farmers of western Anatolia and the Aegean1,2, and most of the remainder from ancient populations related to those of the Caucasus3 and Iran4,5. However, the Mycenaeans differed from Minoans in deriving additional ancestry from an ultimate source related to the hunter-gatherers of eastern Europe and Siberia6,7,8, introduced via a proximal source related to the inhabitants of either the Eurasian steppe1,6,9 or Armenia4,9. Modern Greeks resemble the Mycenaeans, but with some additional dilution of the Early Neolithic ancestry. Our results support the idea of continuity but not isolation in the history of populations of the Aegean, before and after the time of its earliest civilizations."
@Texasmade74
@Texasmade74 3 года назад
@Etruscans civilization nature journal is a scientific journal not Wikipedia
@Texasmade74
@Texasmade74 3 года назад
@Etruscans civilization no Greek inscriptions ever call Zeus burnt face and his facial features in all cult statues were European
@rogueraven1333
@rogueraven1333 2 года назад
Pre video knowledge: the Greeks referred to themselves (the common people) and Anatolians (Asians) as white. They referred to others as brown (mostly from the south) or blonde (usually from the north. However they also referred to Achilles and Agamemnon along with other illiad heroes as well as some gods as blonde)
@atreast.4331
@atreast.4331 Год назад
If you have really read Iliad yiu would see that it does not refer to them as blondes. That is a myth. All Homer says is that they were really handsome ,at least for Achilles
@hydroxyzine1136
@hydroxyzine1136 Год назад
@@atreast.4331 nope
@atreast.4331
@atreast.4331 Год назад
​@@hydroxyzine1136 if you speak ancient Greek find me the part. i do not want an English translation since the foreigners translate horribly. i just want the part from the original.
@klausroxin4437
@klausroxin4437 Год назад
@@atreast.4331 Homer about Achilles: ξανθῆς δὲ κόμης ἕλε Πηλεΐωνα. You really want to translate that in another way than blonde? Stop spreading misinformation, dude!
@atreast.4331
@atreast.4331 Год назад
@@klausroxin4437 yes. many greek words are used both in ancient greek and modern greek but with a slightly different meaning. like ερωτας. it is not necessarily sexual love in ancient greek in contrast with the modern.For the ξανθος now in modern greek means blond. In ancient it is not that sure cause Celts that were blonds were described as white haired if I remember correctly. Ξανθός some philogists suggest that was used like handsome in ancient greek.he had nice hair in this example. Homer was supposed not to describe his heroes in order to make someone imagine how this heroes looked like the way they wanted. Others suggest that the ξανθος was used for auburn. You could be right to be fair though.Anyway . I do not say that greeks were blacks in any case. Of course we belong to the white race if that is what you worry about.
@dina113east
@dina113east 3 года назад
The European Continent was Caucasian. The languages were German, Celtic and Italic. The discussion here, speaks of migration from other countries, but that did not change the fact that the peoples of Ancient Rome or Greece were Caucasian.
@vandalcreed
@vandalcreed 3 года назад
North Africa and the Middle East and parts of central Asia are also considered Caucasian, as per US definition of Caucasian.
@galadballcrusher8182
@galadballcrusher8182 3 года назад
i think you forgot a major language there buddy ,,, Greek, which not only was part of Europe... Europe is a Greek word and the language was very important among Roman Scholars and intelectuals as basicaly they were adopting a lot of Greek culture and it is no concidence first bible translations are in Greek (not to mention parts were written in Greek in the first place and were not translated like for example the revelation)
@josephj6521
@josephj6521 3 года назад
Dina113est, I’ve never head of the Italic language? Romans spoke Latin and Greek. Go to the Vatican, built way later. The cornices are full of Latin and Greek writing. Greek was the key language in Europe and many in the Middle East.
@dina113east
@dina113east 3 года назад
@@josephj6521 OK, The word Italic pertains to ancient Italy or its people. Or "it pertains to a branch of Indo-European languages that includes Latin-Faliscan and Osco-Umbrian groups". Of course the Romans spoke Latin and the Italian language is the closet to Latin. I have been to the Vatican a few times and I am well aware of the history. By the way today the word Italic has other meanings, including a type of print (which I am certain that you know).
@elohim660
@elohim660 2 года назад
WRONG
@KingCatsTube
@KingCatsTube 3 года назад
Again, Spencer is assuming that if you had ancestors from N. Africa, that you would have been very dark. The peoples of N. Africa are mainly of ancient Berber (caucasian) ancestry. During the Roman period in the larger port cities, it would not have been uncommon to have any combination of Italic, Gallic, Iberian, Greek, Thracian, Illyrian, Syrian, Phoenician, or N. African ancestry.
@joseantoniocastro1486
@joseantoniocastro1486 3 года назад
Berber people are white people. The fact that Spencer always stumble under the same mistake over and over again is mindblowing.
@KingCatsTube
@KingCatsTube 3 года назад
@@joseantoniocastro1486 true, we need to understand that his take is likely due to a broader agenda.
@nonameanonymous1537
@nonameanonymous1537 3 года назад
@@joseantoniocastro1486 No they aren’t saying that they are is Racist Erasure. Yes there are pale skinned people (also pale skinned and white are not the same) but there are also dark skinned brown as well as black Amazigh peoples. There is no one phenotype. I swear Westerners think they know everything about everything. Please stop being ignorant.
@rosalynbeatty8310
@rosalynbeatty8310 2 года назад
@ The G Man: the ancient Guaramantes & Ibero-Mauritians were indigenous to north Africa & were ancestors of Berbers. They were a brown-black skinned people. Many Berbers 2 day still are people of color.
@rosalynbeatty8310
@rosalynbeatty8310 2 года назад
@@nonameanonymous1537 Thank u good answer.
@foxmactavish2739
@foxmactavish2739 3 года назад
The idea of the white race only exists in contrast to the idea of a black race. In old times there were many groups of people with unique cultural identities. People would be identified not as white or black but as one of these many ethnic groups.
@jackiehamilton2738
@jackiehamilton2738 3 года назад
Agreed. I tried to make a similar point a couple of days ago but in such a concise way.
@metigame1450
@metigame1450 3 года назад
Today we identify as ethnic Albanian, when i went outside my country and went to Uk realised people identify as white and black etc.
@kurgansrus1277
@kurgansrus1277 2 года назад
Funny cuz Romans literally used the term "white" to describe sythians and Celts, stop watching propaganda, CNN isn't history,
@casek6930
@casek6930 2 года назад
Where we draw lines generally follows these rules: (1) there must be a natural clustering of properties that distinguishes the proposed category from other property-clusters and (2) categorical separation has some practical value. The latter rule changes over time, but it in no way negates the reality of rule #1. This is actually a feature of language in general. It's kinda fascinating how a general feature of language could be exploited for political motives as if it was a unique property of one specific category.
@kurgansrus1277
@kurgansrus1277 2 года назад
The only issue is cultural identity doesn't change DNA evidence, clearly all European cluster together regardless of culture as do subsahren Africans, second the idea that ancient people were political correct and didn't see Color is absolutely ridiculous, as even animals show levels of colorism it's natural, ancient vedic people clearly were very racist and separate themselves from the "blacked skin" natives as it's literally written in the rig veda, DNA evidence overwhelmingly supports Aryan migrations hence androvono culture, who was r1a z93 and often blonde hair and blue eyed, and spread Indo Iranian language into south Asia, the word "varna" in vedic Sanskrit means color, the caste system was called the varnas, there is a line in rig veda where the Aryans say that they need to protect aryavarna from the dasu, meaning arya-varna, Aryan color, dasu "dark/black"
@markspiro3959
@markspiro3959 3 года назад
Hollywood is somewhat to blame on modern perceptions of our actual racial history. Royalty in Roman movies always have a British accents...
@killastake
@killastake 3 года назад
Roman royalty 😂😂
@JP-mz8xd
@JP-mz8xd 3 года назад
“People of colour probably made up” give me a break. Your use of white is pathetic. How about Caucasian. People that use your language are obviously racist and race focused. Ancient Greeks were Caucasian same with the Romans. Nearly all their art portrays them being Caucasian. And yes it’s obvious that the majority of the Roman Empire would likely contain non Caucasian peoples since they controlled so much territory that they didn’t colonize but occupied. Next your gonna tell us that the ancient Egyptians were blacks and not Caucasian/Middle Eastern.
@edelgyn2699
@edelgyn2699 Год назад
What does it mean to be 'Caucasian'? How do you define 'Blacks'?
@matteorossi6514
@matteorossi6514 6 месяцев назад
The problem with this video is that it is based on the nineteenth-century conception of whiteness, developed among Protestant northern Europeans, which influenced American society until just a few years ago, and which in the video seems to be accepted by both the two speakers. Before you ask whether the Romans and Greeks were white, you should ask yourself why even today a society such as America's is deeply racist and based on nineteenth-century ideas of whiteness and race. A first-year archaeology student knows that frescoes prove nothing, because in the ancient world there existed for a few centuries, before Hellenism, the artistic convention of portraying men with reddish, very dark, tanned skin and women with light skin. It had nothing to do with actual somatic features, but with the mentality of the ancient world, in which men spent a lot of time outside the home and women remained within the domestic hearth.
@Chestermcfly420
@Chestermcfly420 2 года назад
No and we’re still not white we only became white a.k.a. Caucasian on the US census after the 1950s. Do you know how they make a big deal how Black people are allowed to move in white neighborhoods in the 1960s well literally five years before that we were just able to move in these white neighborhoods think about that? Also people don’t realize that Italians were the second largest group of people to be lynched in the United States and the biggest mass lynching in the United States is history and there was a lot of people Lynched in this country was Italian Americans 11 of them in New Orleans during the 1890s
@Chestermcfly420
@Chestermcfly420 2 года назад
So if they were lynching us next to Black people would you consider that white?
@IrishCinnsealach
@IrishCinnsealach 2 года назад
@@Chestermcfly420 Those Italians were lynched for killing a police chief not for being Italian. And white as a racial classification means anyone of European countries or European descent. You think the Italians aren't white so why did they depict themselves as white in art. The two most prominent artist's in the white washing of religious figures during the Renaissance were both Italian. Have you seen Michaelangelo Sistine chapel and his Venus and Cupid painting?
@belialord
@belialord 3 года назад
Next week: Were the vikings white?
@bott3849
@bott3849 3 года назад
Lol exactly I'm done with this channel
@Horseflesh89
@Horseflesh89 3 года назад
I guess it would be like asking a viking whether they thought they were whale blubber
@carmenismyname
@carmenismyname 3 года назад
😅 can’t wait 🍿
@belialord
@belialord 3 года назад
@Ario 1 Exactly. If you asked the ancient Greeks if they were Greek they also wouldn't know what you were talking about, since Greek is an exonym and they have never referred to themselves as Greek. Therefore the Greeks weren't Greek!
@robertcrusader5019
@robertcrusader5019 3 года назад
The Vikings are a social construct...NOT.
@nuttybar9
@nuttybar9 Год назад
They were White.
@davidelrockafella2870
@davidelrockafella2870 7 месяцев назад
12:31 most Europeans that speak on ancient history try their hardest to not use the word “black” out of fear of backlash when addressing the evidence of people darkskin people being associated with people incorrectly viewed as “black” in current day. Some things never change
@Kopp203
@Kopp203 2 года назад
30 minutes of blather to dodge around the issue. Grow a spine. Ethnic Greeks are Caucasian and are white European. Get over it.
@vincemajestic2650
@vincemajestic2650 3 года назад
Right . . So race is a "Social Construct" ... Just like gender
@gyorkshire257
@gyorkshire257 3 года назад
Yeah, gender is a social construct, sex isn't. Race is a social construct, but certain average genetic differences between populations can be measured.
@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449
@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449 3 года назад
We are all for the most part 99.9% biologically the same.
@gyorkshire257
@gyorkshire257 3 года назад
@@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449 Yes, that's true, and there is more difference within populations than between. But there are some observable genetic differences between groups, that don't usually map onto any racial system of classification humans use in the real world.
@Orph3us33
@Orph3us33 3 года назад
Yes the 19th century idea of race is a Social Construct as has been disproven by Human genetics. Human genes are not just visible characteristics like dark skin or thin hair as which was used as the basis for 99% of all "race science" for its first 200 years. People in Africa are more genetically diverse than "white or black" Americas yet would all be classified as "black" despite having very different genes from what we call "black" in America.
@gyorkshire257
@gyorkshire257 3 года назад
@@Orph3us33 The idea of race as a social construct is totally correct, what you mean is that the constructs themselves are not scientifically valid.
@SuperBjanka
@SuperBjanka 3 года назад
In my experience skin color is depended on the time we spent in the sun, and the amount of copper in the local food. I'm Danish and as white as it gets, but my aunt is as brow as a Tamil, because she live on a boat for half of the year. The idea abut classifying groups of people based on skin color are just stupid.
@oo88oo
@oo88oo 3 года назад
How about classifying them by height? Or weight? Or eye color? Or IQ?
@gregorybrian
@gregorybrian 3 года назад
Nationality based solely on physical features is one of the deadliest thing one can believe. National identity is based on political and cultural values.
@darktyrannosaurus22
@darktyrannosaurus22 3 года назад
@@gregorybrian no
@robinhawkins335
@robinhawkins335 3 года назад
The distinctions between races has never been the color of skin. At least not by anyone with a respectable scholarly approach. Historically differences in cranio-facial structures were used to categorize individuals into one of the big three(caucosoid,mongoloid,negroid) These cranio-facial distinctions are largely consistent with some overlap and variation not necessarily due to admixture.
@SuperBjanka
@SuperBjanka 3 года назад
@@robinhawkins335 I find it hard to find anything abut cranio-facial structures. My father have a cranium of 62 cm, does this fit into the Caucasoid groups?
@gyorkshire257
@gyorkshire257 3 года назад
Everything argued here is entirely true, the question of whether Romans and Greeks were "white" is completely anachronistic, and depictions of these cultures as monolithically composed of people Americans would call "white" is false. I just wish McDaniel would not repeat the falsehood that there was a time when Italians and Greeks were not considered "white" in the US. This is a back projection of the American 1960's conception of whiteness, meaning a full member of the politically and culturally dominant ethnic group of US society, onto the reality of the pre-war period. Italians, Greeks, Jews, Irish and Slavs were all viewed by society as white, but also inferior to those who were referred to as "Native Americans"; Protestant people of older immigrant stock.
@gyorkshire257
@gyorkshire257 3 года назад
@Alex Soltesz There were people whose appearance would mean them being called "black" or "mixed race" today among both free and slave populations. Their numbers were small, but they were there and Europeans are all partially descended from them.
@gianlucarossi5672
@gianlucarossi5672 3 года назад
@Alex Soltesz Black slaves were kept Rome, albeit in insignificant small numbers. They disappeared without leaving a trace.
@s-dohealingmovements9997
@s-dohealingmovements9997 7 месяцев назад
Guys, first of all, you are confusing the Romans with the Greeks, don't...!!! Second, you analyze the Greek nation without having a Greek researcher present, you never brought one...Bring one so I can take you seriously...You know nothing about Greek culture and it's just speculation...
@mariosathens1
@mariosathens1 3 года назад
define white first If you mean white like the Central and Nothern Europeans ( Britons, Germans etc) i think not. The Greeks and Romans belong to the European Mediterranean Nations. They have darker skin than the Central and Nothern European Nations because of the different weather conditions (sunny days)
@furn6341
@furn6341 3 года назад
What even is “Europe”. There is nothing historically or pretty much in present as “European”. Europe is not even a continent.
@giannarosize
@giannarosize 3 года назад
@@furn6341 the correct name of the continent is Eurasia
@christopherkrol7452
@christopherkrol7452 2 года назад
It's not the weather but dna that made em a shade darker...Ever hear of the moorish conquest?? All of us were mostly 1 genetically until this side got a little african, that side got a little chinese, and the middle, ottoman got a little of everything... everyone between central European and the other main types is a mixture. Pretty much that simple
@deanamodeo4072
@deanamodeo4072 3 года назад
The answer is YES!! I don't need an expert to tell me that. This is a ridiculous question. Never in doubt. This guy must be a real genius😅
@2dimitropolis370
@2dimitropolis370 3 года назад
Bravo. We are all white, just because of climete, the nordics are blonder, and us on the south have dark hair.... But still all white
@peterroberts7684
@peterroberts7684 3 года назад
A very ridiculous question indeed
@giannis_toupolemou
@giannis_toupolemou 3 года назад
@@2dimitropolis370 So I expect you are warm towards the Indians and Arabs for they are caucasoids as well?
@dacorum8053
@dacorum8053 7 месяцев назад
This question of whether the Greeks considered themselves as white could not be more stupid! It is like asking whether the Germans of the same era considered themselves as white! It is not a question that any of them would have considered but that doesn't mean that they weren't all white people of european ancestry which defines what white people are!! Murals and statues of ancient Roman and Greece clearly show them to be white with the women with paler skin because they worked more inside whereas the men worked more outside.
@fordman7479
@fordman7479 2 года назад
Short answer yes they were. Were all Roman and Greek citizens white? Maybe not but all native romans and greeks were. The end
@veegar9265
@veegar9265 2 года назад
Sighhhhh, .. . here, ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-YQjec7Pohgo.html how about some TRUE BLACK African super-civilization and culture
@thewolverine2225
@thewolverine2225 2 года назад
Not really Spartan men were not white they were more bronzed skin
@thewolverine2225
@thewolverine2225 2 года назад
Your white right?
@fordman7479
@fordman7479 2 года назад
@@thewolverine2225 and some black people are light skin.
@thewolverine2225
@thewolverine2225 2 года назад
@@fordman7479 I’m not saying they’r black they’re bronze, people from Sparta were bronze. people called them white to fit their agenda brown skin is the most common skin look it up also light skin isn’t really white nor is it black it’s both can’t say for sure which colour sad thing is people who are mixed never get accepted by whites or blacks or browns a bit sad
@alexisgateley230
@alexisgateley230 3 года назад
Are the speakers in this video white? They appear more pink than white..btw were Zulus actually black? LOL
@robertcrusader5019
@robertcrusader5019 3 года назад
Exactly.
@lamebubblesflysohigh
@lamebubblesflysohigh 3 года назад
Shaka Zulu was tall blonde blue eyed white dude... everybody knows that
@shaqatwinters3180
@shaqatwinters3180 2 года назад
ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-9LjWTR7_KQc.html
@TimtheEnchanter1121
@TimtheEnchanter1121 2 года назад
Only Caucasians are actually white. By Caucasians, I mean Georgians, Chechens, Ingush... I am Georgian and I am purely white. Not pink, not olive. We're the only ones who are actually "white" and actually "Caucasian" as well. Nords are pink, Middle easterners are light shade of brown, Mediterraneans are olive, Africans are brown.
@GGTanguera
@GGTanguera 3 года назад
So you are saying that the ancient civilizations were more civilized than present day US. Mediterranean people are Mediterranean people! They are not Scandinavian looking, not English, not Nigerian, not Chinese. North African Egyptian, Berber and Lebanese/Syrian people are consider Caucasian even in the US. How do you think Syrian or Tunisian people look like? LL Cool J?
@ghsense2626
@ghsense2626 2 года назад
LL Cool J has more white genes in him than any of Syrians and Tunisians. Most blacks in America have white DNA
@GGTanguera
@GGTanguera 2 года назад
@@ghsense2626 I agree that most African Americans are mixed with the whites. But Syrians and Tunisians are considered Caucasians. I'm not an Arab, but most Arabs are considered white. Yemeni and many Khalij countries have mixed with Africans, Lebanese, Syrian and Palestinian did not. Many of them have blue eyes and some even red hair. Some have more British DNA that the British royal family LoL (some crusaders never went back).
@jperes889
@jperes889 3 года назад
If u want to know how ancient Greeks and Romans looked like, just go and spend Holliday there. They are and were Mediterranean Caucasians.
@jperes889
@jperes889 3 года назад
@Big Mike Media It is the pb with most Americans, they limit their world to the US. Travel and u will see the world is not limited to whites, blacks and Latinos. There are all kinds of people out there, and Romans and Greeks are Mediterraneans.
@jperes889
@jperes889 3 года назад
@Big Mike Media did I say anywhere they were white, and Europe s definition is purely geographical so I don't know how u define geographically Europeans and non geographically Europeans.
@jperes889
@jperes889 3 года назад
@Big Mike Media Ur reply again shows the typical American centered view of the world. European for u means white Caucasian mostly Irish British type. Europe is a vast continent with different types of people, in the south Mediterraneans are Europeans and tend to be a bit shorter and darker of skin. But all these people are europeans, as they are born in the continent named Europe.
@jperes889
@jperes889 3 года назад
@Big Mike Media soulless blue eyes? U are clearly rayciss and don't know what u are talking about. U probably have never been to Europe, travel there go to different countries, that might open ur eyes.
@jperes889
@jperes889 3 года назад
@Big Mike Media then that is even worse, u don't even have this excuse.
@markcreemore4915
@markcreemore4915 2 года назад
So this channel is going woke/SJW/CRT now??!! Bye, Felicia.
@WoodsLesnik
@WoodsLesnik 3 года назад
So how exactly do we define white?
@oddindian1
@oddindian1 3 года назад
I think what is really being described is northern and northwestern European people.
@oldmandoinghighkicksonlyin1368
@oldmandoinghighkicksonlyin1368 3 года назад
We currently define it as the root of all social problems.
@karenburrows9184
@karenburrows9184 3 года назад
It should be defined as a social misconception.
@someguy8732
@someguy8732 3 года назад
As in the typical European genotype; a mixture of the three ancient groups called the Western Hunter Gatherers, Neolithic Anatolian Farmers and Steppe Pastoralists which first formed in north-central Europe in the bronze age.
@moshow93
@moshow93 3 года назад
Who exactly would you say has white privilege if we can't even define white? Try harder schlomo.
@heathervelasquez9108
@heathervelasquez9108 3 года назад
I enjoy the info on DNA and other historical content but the "Race" thing is putting me off.
@shannonandsheila1403
@shannonandsheila1403 3 года назад
Agreed 👍
@YaBoiDREX
@YaBoiDREX 3 года назад
@Alex Soltesz races weren’t created by god or nature, they were created by man.
@Ace-sb4il
@Ace-sb4il 3 года назад
Especially when they dont really say anything
@MrJoebrooklyn1969
@MrJoebrooklyn1969 3 года назад
@@YaBoiDREX really?
@christopherkrol7452
@christopherkrol7452 2 года назад
Species better?
@perrinayebarra
@perrinayebarra 3 года назад
Obviously. What else would they be?
@MrJoebrooklyn1969
@MrJoebrooklyn1969 3 года назад
Guilt ridden testosterone challenged Anglo-Saxon soy milk drinkers are trying so hard to make non-whites feel good.
@jerrymedina7228
@jerrymedina7228 3 года назад
@ Joseph Falco: Mad?
@MrJoebrooklyn1969
@MrJoebrooklyn1969 3 года назад
@@jerrymedina7228 nope
@MrJoebrooklyn1969
@MrJoebrooklyn1969 3 года назад
@Mz TTM I think you've got me confused with the Black Supremacists. I'm white.
@MrJoebrooklyn1969
@MrJoebrooklyn1969 3 года назад
@Mz TTM LOL!!! Keep dreaming.
@EudaimonV
@EudaimonV Год назад
Ethiopia didn't exist as a country back then like we know it now. Aethiopis is a Hellenic word used by Hellens to describe the people living South of Egypt because of there darker skin complexion. Aethiopis means Burnt Face. Memnon and Andromeda are NOT described having African features or characteristics. They are born in the land of the Aethiopis people. Hellenic mythology like every mythology, goes beyond the borders of there lands. Memnon and Andromeda are Based on Hellenic mythology related to Hellenic culture. Memnon's title is. Memnon Hero of Troy king OF THE Aethiopis people.
@darktyrannosaurus22
@darktyrannosaurus22 3 года назад
How does the existence of people making contributions in many areas, from Phrygia, Lycia, Egypt, Phoenicia, Syria, North Africa to the Mediterranean, who lived in European political entities change something about the existence of the Greeks and Romans? How does individuals of other ethnicities acquiring citizenship or being composed as subjects change the status that they were not Roman, Greek, Macedonian?
@gianlucarossi5672
@gianlucarossi5672 3 года назад
The native Romans, Greeks and Macedonians were white, thus they have to be written out of their history. It's called wokeness and liberal progressiveness.
@daPawlak
@daPawlak 3 года назад
The point is that mediterran popularipns were mixed up a lot while having nothing to do with say north europeans. Roman was closer to Egyptian or North African than to Scandinavan. Thus there is no point to make an arbitrary grouping that includes Scandinavan and Roman (aka white race) while excluding Mesopotanians or Egyptians. It's anachronistic
@catocall7323
@catocall7323 3 года назад
@@daPawlak that's not true, Greeks, Italians, Etruscans, Gauls, Celts, Hittites, Persians and Iberians were all Indo-European and more similar to each other than Mesopotamians and Egyptians which had completely different histories and language families. And, before you think I am claiming some kind of supremacy here, it is clear that Egypt and Mesopotamia were before the Bronze Age collapse way more advanced than their Indo-European neighbors. And subsequent civilizations borrowed extensively from Egypt and Mesopotamia.
@someguy8732
@someguy8732 3 года назад
@@catocall7323 not entirely true, they were only more advanced in some ways. Architecturally speaking, and in terms of stone work, the Egyptians and Mesopotamians had the upper hand for most of the bronze age, and they benefited from being large centralized states in prime farming real estate but the Indo-European people's had much more advanced military technology and metal working in general. Europeans seem to have invented bronze and spread it across Eurasia after all. They domesticated the horse and invented the chariot.
@catocall7323
@catocall7323 3 года назад
@@someguy8732 the bronze age civilizations created sophisticated civil societies centuries before anybody else. We should give credit where credit is due.
@someguy8732
@someguy8732 3 года назад
Why on earth would you interview a random 3rd year student as any kind of authority on this question? I know you want to milk these headlines but come on, you're butchering truth for the sake of making a couple bucks here. This question, which really isn't and never was in question, can be answered by simply flashing a graph of a PCA test of modern and ancient populations.
@someguy8732
@someguy8732 3 года назад
@@dffndjdjd well aren't you Mr big brain. It's tedious to repeat the arguments time and time again. I've probably already made them somewhere else in this comment section. The point is to call out the BS without wasting too much of my time
@muslimcrusader5987
@muslimcrusader5987 2 года назад
Romans had rosy skin (light pink). Greeks also had rosy skin. They were not white. In fact, the only white people were northern Germanians, like the Anglo-Saxons, and some Scandinavian tribes as they were pale (white). But for the vast majority of Europeans they are either pink, peach or yellow.
@davidbenyahuda5190
@davidbenyahuda5190 2 года назад
White people are not indigenous to Europe, hence not European. Saxons were black people, Israelites. And much of Europe was black.
@TimtheEnchanter1121
@TimtheEnchanter1121 2 года назад
Brah, the Germans are pink. Only Caucasians are white. Georgians, Chechens, Ingush, Dagestanis and Circassians.
@muslimcrusader5987
@muslimcrusader5987 2 года назад
@@TimtheEnchanter1121 Not exactly. Modern Germans are mostly peach, as they are a mix of Celts (light pink) and Slavs (light yellow). Pure blooded Germans are pale (white). Not too sure about the ethnicities of the Caucuses. I haven’t investigated them well enough
@Orph3us33
@Orph3us33 3 года назад
As someone from Greece the Greeks from the islands like Crete, Aegina, etc are quite dark skinned and have black curly hair, while northern Greeks close to the borders of Europe are very light skinned and blonde. But they are all Greek
@LigaFantasma
@LigaFantasma 3 года назад
Bullshit. Most Greeks look like typical Southern Europeans. There's no part of Greece that is majority blonde or majority curly haired and dark skinned.
@aevans-jl9ym
@aevans-jl9ym 3 года назад
@@LigaFantasma Most Northern Europeans today, resemble the fair-haired Persians from Iran the true homeland and origin of the blonde-haired Aryan people of Europe. Please vacate my European homeland and go back home to your 3rd world shitehole in the Eastern hemisphere.
@p.s.56
@p.s.56 3 года назад
@@LigaFantasma As a Cretan I have to kind of agree with thecornerstone. The more Mediterranean look is in part due to climate and agricultural occupation, but also due to Crete being on the fringes of Greece and mixing with foreigners since before the Minoans. Don't forget that the island has been on many important trade routes and has always heavily relied on exports and imports alike. This is something to be proud of, don't act as if looks are something that brings shame. Rich culture is what matters the most.
@mrod87
@mrod87 3 года назад
@@LigaFantasmahave you been to greece? i have and most people who live in the greek islands are darker skinned/olive skinned with dark thick curly hair. they def arent black or arab...i dont know if "white" is the right word for them...but they are NOT fair skinned.
@colinafobe2152
@colinafobe2152 3 года назад
just dont be surprised if one day certain people exclude Greeks from "white race"
@dorianblue979
@dorianblue979 3 года назад
I am Greek, this video is pushing agendas. Greek civilization was 100% white. Having a tiny minority of Africans living in Greece doesen't mean that Greeks were multicultural. If you think they were, show us the equivalent non-Greek. Show us the foreign influences in politics, arts, architecture, sports, theater, literature, mythology, philosophy and sciences. In Ancient Greece one had to be a native to the city to be able to get involved in politics. Not even fellow Greeks were allowed. Zero diversity. Showing us a piece of art portraying a black person and ignoring the bulk of sculptures portraying white people shows malice. Nobody says that the Greeks didn't come in contact with other nations. Zenon had a Phoenician father and a Greek mother. Having a noticeably dark skin tone (like a Middle Eastern person and not like a Sub-Saharan African) actually shows how white the Greeks were. You realize that North Africans are not black? Very arrogant of you to talk about religion when you obviously have no knowledge at all. Odyssey and Iliad influenced by Gilgamesh???? Hesiod to what???? Have you even read these books? Since I have, I can tell you that their subjects are completely different. Dear U.S.Americans, please solve your problems. In the meanwhile, please do not export them. This video was an insult to history.
@RebelWithoutABoss
@RebelWithoutABoss 3 года назад
These discussions always turn into semantics babble in order not to answer the question straight forward. We know the ancients didn't perceive of race the same way we do now. Strange they don't go through these same gymnastics when it comes to anci my China or ancient Nubia or medieval Mali, despite the fact that there was some degree of mixture in all these places.
@Yarblocosifilitico
@Yarblocosifilitico 3 года назад
ancient China is a touchy subject, with those red haired mummies found in pyramids, like the Tarim ones.
@KSmithwick1989
@KSmithwick1989 2 года назад
@@Yarblocosifilitico The Tocharian mummies weren't in pyramids. Also they had been known about in the West, decades before the documentary came out. Hell the Book of Han (32 AD) talks about them and the fact they practiced Buddhism. lol
@Yarblocosifilitico
@Yarblocosifilitico 2 года назад
@@KSmithwick1989 oh yeah, the Book of Han, so mainstream x) Known about and talked about are very different. I'm probably wrong about the Tarim mummies being in pyramids. I think other red haired mummies were tho, but I'd have to look it up. Either way, it's not common knowledge, and China has clearly tried to cover their pyramids by planting trees.
@KSmithwick1989
@KSmithwick1989 2 года назад
@@Yarblocosifilitico Funny, because it was the Chinese government that was promoting the Tocharian mummies in the first place. They wanted the tourism money and National Geographic took the opportunity to film the documentary. Also you're confusing the location of the burial mounds (pyramids). The oldest sites originate during the Neolithic, in Liaoning Province. They're in the Northeast, rather than the Northwest. The trees were planted to stabilize soil. In fact the tombs were (like Kurgans), meant to be grown over into hills.
@Yarblocosifilitico
@Yarblocosifilitico 2 года назад
@@KSmithwick1989 stabilizing the soil, huh? Seems like it's been fine for milennia but I guess that could be the reason. And, yeah, I'm probably confusing the locations, and the attitude of the Chinese gov towards the red haired mummies. My understanding was that they actively ignore them, but I'll look into it.
@ellienavarro4230
@ellienavarro4230 3 года назад
Why cannot be Greeks and Romans white? Who Knows? I am Spaniard and my father´s family side is very fair and my mother´s family side is olive skin with freckles. People have assumptions that Spaniards are dark skin and that is not true
@edwinlucianofrias1643
@edwinlucianofrias1643 3 года назад
Many Spaniards do indeed have slightly darker skin than your average Swede, for example. Greeks and Romans are considered “white” today but in antiquity the idea that a person identified as “white” is anachronistic. Sería como preguntarse si Jesús el Nazareno era palestino o israelí.
@gioseanuandrei5489
@gioseanuandrei5489 3 года назад
Looking at the Spanish football players, there are quite a few with blue eyes and light hair. One example that comes to mind is David de Gea, but there are others also like Pique and Marcos Llorente.
@Diana-hy8qj
@Diana-hy8qj 2 года назад
But wasn't Achilles and Alexander the Great described as having blonde hair and blue eyes??
@GhostSal
@GhostSal Год назад
I don’t know about Achilles but when discussing Alexander the Great, remember it’s more so a matter of perspective. The Greek word for blond(e) is ksanthos/ksanthê/ksantho which was often compared to the color of roasting meat, so to modern ideas it was more likely a sandy-brown. In fact when Greeks saw very light blonde hair (think closer to Marilyn Monroe) they compared it to that of the elderly, calling it “old” or “white”. So Alexander the Great was light haired, especially by Greek standards but not likely not “blonde” they way we think of blondes. Pseudo-Callisthenes labels Alexander's hair "lion-colored" and said "For he had the hair of a lion and one eye was blue; the right one was heavy lidded and black, and the left one was blue; and his teeth were sharp as fangs, and he looked upon a defensive attack the same as a lion would."
@hydroxyzine1136
@hydroxyzine1136 Год назад
@@GhostSal many people regard sandy brown as blonde even today in america. monroe had bleached hair and most people assume its fake
@GhostSal
@GhostSal Год назад
@@hydroxyzine1136 That’s true, it’s like I said a matter of perspective. When I think of blonde hair, I think of someone like Marilyn Monroe.
@hydroxyzine1136
@hydroxyzine1136 Год назад
@@GhostSal her hair was very light blond. a typically UNNATURAL shade of hair color even in western europe, unless youre talking about children. blond comes in many different shades. for many people, sandy, chestnut or light "brown" is what you call dark blond. usually they had monroe hair color as children and it darkened with age. my hair was blond like that as a child too, and now its dark brown/blackish, and im 100% north western european in descent. as for alexander, he was described as "xanthos" by another author, and the famous mosaic depicts his hair as light brown/blond (dark color is used for shading) and his skin is milk white (note the untanned neck). but then, the artist probably never saw him anyway. however, plutarch spoke with authority that alexander had fair rosy skin, and thus would have been coded as white in modern america, much to the dismay of spencer mcdonald and the classicists who have been trying to divorce classical civilization from europe. the reality is that the concepts of race including whiteness and anti-black racism (severus had a black man killed because he was black, the greek galen attributed negative characteristics to black featured people, and the spanish invented racial castes systems in latin america) were invented by southern europeans, and its cute seeing people insist that they were or are not white because western europeans have more "blondes" among their populations even though the vast majority of us still have dark hair, just like our mesolithic and steppe ancestors. you guys are a joke
@GhostSal
@GhostSal Год назад
@@hydroxyzine1136”…and its cute seeing people insist that they were or are not white because western europeans have more "blondes" among their populations even though the vast majority of us still have dark hair, just like our mesolithic and steppe ancestors. you guys are a joke” - Where did that come from? We were talking about hair color, not racíal identity politícs. When we apply modern racíal categories and distinctions to the ancient world, it’s important to realize that we are applying modern labels to people that they never would have used themselves. It’s also important to recognize there is no scientific basis for the belief in different raceš today. With that said, that hasn’t stopped people from ígnoring scíence and mistreating each other, simply based physical differences and today on perceptíons of “racè”. Again though, this discussion was started simply about hair color.
@joshuddin897
@joshuddin897 3 года назад
I thought this was a lady with long hair!!!
@hardrada8637
@hardrada8637 3 года назад
Yep ... Transexual
@Jobe-13
@Jobe-13 3 года назад
Wait she’s a dude? What the-
@christopherkrol7452
@christopherkrol7452 2 года назад
I don't trust left theorists
@bobjuniel8683
@bobjuniel8683 3 года назад
To understand the genetic origins of ancient Egyptians, Greeks and Romans, use DNA testing. Do not guess.
@woodpeckerfromspacewoodpec45
@woodpeckerfromspacewoodpec45 3 года назад
They already did that (at least in relation to the Greeks): see "The genomic history of the Aegean palatial civilizations" in cell_dot_com. And guess what: they had dark skin.
@giannarosize
@giannarosize 3 года назад
@@woodpeckerfromspacewoodpec45 define dark skin
@orthochristos
@orthochristos 3 года назад
@@woodpeckerfromspacewoodpec45 Guess what: I read the study. It does refer to their skin complexion. So, either you are lying, or you are an ignoramus.
@woodpeckerfromspacewoodpec45
@woodpeckerfromspacewoodpec45 3 года назад
@@orthochristos (???) That's what I said: they had dark skin complexion (I never said they were black). I was just comparing them to modern Greeks, who are lighter-skinned (at least most of them).
@orthochristos
@orthochristos 3 года назад
@@woodpeckerfromspacewoodpec45 Well, that's not what I said. Nowhere in the study that you referred to as evidence for your claim does it make mention of skin complexion. That was not the purpose of the study, to begin with. I read it. They might have been dark-skinned or light-skinned, but that is irrelevant. Of course, they were not black, but I am not even going to entertain that ridiculous notion.
@Fetguf
@Fetguf Год назад
You do know that the obsession with race, is mainly an american thing?
@mauriziocosta8416
@mauriziocosta8416 3 года назад
You Americans are boring, obsessed with skin color. You are collectively pathological. The Romans were those who worked for the good of Rome. So the images painted on wood of Fayyum inhabitants that you show are actually images of Romans, even if their genetics were that generated by the fusion of Egyptians and Hellenes. However, I would like to point out that the Caucasoid peoples (not Caucasians, the Caucasians are only Armenians and Georgians) include the Indo-Europeans, the Semito-Hamitics (Afro-Asians), including the Ethiopians and Somalis, the Ugro-Finns, the ancient Europeans. (like the Sardinians, the Etruscans, and the Basques), the Anatolian populations. Etc. Voi statunitensi siete noiosi, ossessionati dal colore della pelle. Siete collettivamente patologici. I Romani erano coloro che operavano per il bene di Roma. Quindi le immagini dipinte su legno di abitanti del Fayyum che mostri sono effettivamente immagini di Romani, anche se la loro genetica era quella generata dalla fusione tra Egizi ed Elleni. Faccio comunque presente che i popoli Caucasoidi (non Caucasici, i Caucasici sono solo gli Armeni e i Georgiani) comprendono gli Indo-Europei, i Semito-Camitici (Afro-Asiatici), compresi gli Etiopi e i Somali, gli Ugro-Finnici, gli Europei antichi (come i Sardi, gli Etruschi e i Baschi), le popolazioni Anatoliche. Eccetera.
@salimzwein
@salimzwein 3 года назад
In Ancient Egypt also women were e portrayed with a rather white skin while men were deeply tanned...I think it has more to do with just the way of life of different genders possibly accentuated by culture.
@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449
@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449 3 года назад
Color in Egyptian art is really interesting and extremely propagandized. When you have the time take a look at this article by Dr. Juan Carlos Moreno García. I think you’ll really enjoy it. www.asor.org/anetoday/2020/05/ethnicity-pharaonic-egypt
@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449
@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449 3 года назад
@@LVSJT LMAO. Yes, the article above clearly speaks for itself. Once your blood pressure calms down, I’d suggest wiping those tears from your eyes and trying to read the scholarship on Egyptian art.
@gioseanuandrei5489
@gioseanuandrei5489 3 года назад
Women of upper classes were staying inside and spinning and weaving. Men, even if noble, had little to nothing to do inside, so they stayed outside. And the Mediterranean people, actually most Europeans, can get very, very dark if they stay in their underwear outside almost all their life. Search Wikipedia for Sun tanning to see examples.
@gioseanuandrei5489
@gioseanuandrei5489 3 года назад
​@@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449 Or better search Google image for shocking tan lines, to get the obvious answer why Rahotep walking around in mini skirt, taking care of business outside, had a deep tan, while his wife, Nofret, who was sheltered from the sun, preserved her natural color.
@ahmadmuhammad6200
@ahmadmuhammad6200 3 года назад
No the man in egypt are brownish red while the the woman were light brown ... Not white
@lifelessons7401
@lifelessons7401 3 года назад
Short answer to save time: Yes, yes they were.
@jalejablonsky2396
@jalejablonsky2396 Год назад
No they weren't. You are implying modern idea of race to people who never implied anything related to skin color.
@antonglas7488
@antonglas7488 Год назад
This video was bullcrap. That woman kept deflecting the main question with political correctness. The question should have been, did Italians and Greeks from that period resemble what Greeks and Italians look like today? And this was not answered in the video.
@julesgosnell9791
@julesgosnell9791 2 года назад
Dumb question - I clicked through because I could not believe that anyone would really make a video about this. I've watched the first 5 minutes and I am bailing. I am so tired of Americans projecting and exporting their insecurities about their own race politics onto the rest of the West and its history. Please sort yourselves out and leave us out of it.
@vespasian266
@vespasian266 3 года назад
the question was, were the greeks and romans white, not did the greeks and romans think of themselves as white. The Greeks and Romans were a mix of Mediterranean and northern Europeans. Romans more so than Greeks. they both spoke an indo european language. which suggests there was an invasion by the steppe nomads who mixed with the population at one point. perhaps in time the anatolians expanding back into Greece.
@carlomariaromano4320
@carlomariaromano4320 3 года назад
@Ario 1 With that logic nobody was white back then including the super pale Northern Europeans who also never thought of themselves as "white". Nubians that were called by Romans and Greeks literally burnt faces didn't think of themselves a black; too. Yet the same liberal scholars have no qualms with pointing out, that black Africans were present in Rome or ancient Greece. They also love to inflate or blow up the presence of SSAs in Rome or Greece.
@Texasmade74
@Texasmade74 3 года назад
@Ario 1 "The origins of the Bronze Age Minoan and Mycenaean cultures have puzzled archaeologists for more than a century. We have assembled genome-wide data from 19 ancient individuals, including Minoans from Crete, Mycenaeans from mainland Greece, and their eastern neighbours from southwestern Anatolia. Here we show that Minoans and Mycenaeans were genetically similar, having at least three-quarters of their ancestry from the first Neolithic farmers of western Anatolia and the Aegean1,2, and most of the remainder from ancient populations related to those of the Caucasus3 and Iran4,5. However, the Mycenaeans differed from Minoans in deriving additional ancestry from an ultimate source related to the hunter-gatherers of eastern Europe and Siberia6,7,8, introduced via a proximal source related to the inhabitants of either the Eurasian steppe1,6,9 or Armenia4,9. Modern Greeks resemble the Mycenaeans, but with some additional dilution of the Early Neolithic ancestry. Our results support the idea of continuity but not isolation in the history of populations of the Aegean, before and after the time of its earliest civilizations."
@carlomariaromano4320
@carlomariaromano4320 3 года назад
@Ario 1 Keep in mind that white people can be swarthy, tanned or pale. So a tanned white, is still white.
@danbeaulieu2130
@danbeaulieu2130 3 года назад
The whole concept of "white" was not even invented until the 1600s. The Baroque era... The classical Greek and Roman cultures had no concept of being "white". Race was a fluid thing. A natural born Greek could be raised in the Roman culture, and so become part of the "Roman race". An Egyptian could also join the Roman race. As could a Persian. Or anyone. A Briton could become an Egyptian. A Pict could become a Roman. Race was not a fixed and final thing.
@woodpeckerfromspacewoodpec45
@woodpeckerfromspacewoodpec45 3 года назад
The best answer! ❤️
@Hyperium90201
@Hyperium90201 2 года назад
Yes they did
@Hyperium90201
@Hyperium90201 2 года назад
In ancient Greece they referred themselves as "λευκός" that means "white/shiny".They also referred black people as "Μελάς" that means "black/dark"
@davidbenyahuda5190
@davidbenyahuda5190 2 года назад
Ancient means black people. Please study Greek mythology. Their gods were black people. I know White people have been lying about everything and to everyone. But that doesn't mean you have to believe them. Leonidas was a Danite, i.e Israelite Please see Anacalypsis by G Higgins.
@danbeaulieu2130
@danbeaulieu2130 2 года назад
@@davidbenyahuda5190 Ancient means from the time before the fall of Rome.
@opalsirius8484
@opalsirius8484 3 года назад
Our idea of Greek and Romans being white DOESN'T come from Hollywood movies; it comes from their own sculptures and paintings. More recently, the Pompeii walls are full of art with white people
@joshuamoon9312
@joshuamoon9312 2 года назад
"White"
@mrhatty2085
@mrhatty2085 3 года назад
Race is not a Social Construct, academia however, most certainly is.
@boborappa
@boborappa 3 года назад
Look up what "social construct" means
@mrhatty2085
@mrhatty2085 3 года назад
@@boborappa look up what Race means.
@boborappa
@boborappa 3 года назад
@@mrhatty2085 Thanks for proving me right. I wish you knew enough words to feel dumb
@mrhatty2085
@mrhatty2085 3 года назад
@@boborappa you're special . Thanks for the good wishes, you're helping.
@mrhatty2085
@mrhatty2085 3 года назад
@@dffndjdjd its that kind of Post Modernist thinking that causes the real divide between people. One either lives in the reality of Genetics, Biology and Evolution or one lives in the deluded world of Cultural Marxism and the fool's paradise of 'Social Constructivism." The divide is sanity vs insanity, survival vs suicide. The delusionists have chosen the latter and frankly will be no great loss to humanity.
@furn6341
@furn6341 3 года назад
Who said Syrian is non-European ancestry?
@2Hesiod
@2Hesiod 3 года назад
Well, Syria was part of the Greek empire, but many early Greeks were from Asia Minor.
@konstantinoskouratoras8079
@konstantinoskouratoras8079 2 года назад
I am from Asia Minor!
@2Hesiod
@2Hesiod 2 года назад
@@konstantinoskouratoras8079 Anthropologists and archaeologists describe the ancient peoples around the Mediterranean as of the "Mediterranean" type. My childhood friend's father was Italian, and he was very dark-complexioned.
@GS-by7ci
@GS-by7ci 2 года назад
And her rediculous need to make the movie 300 racist.. when the director used various racial groups for the Persians because at the time it was a giant empire that did encompass many different cultures and races
@bigalsnow8199
@bigalsnow8199 2 года назад
Were the Greeks and Roman's white? The answer should be " Yes or No" You don't need a long essay.
@sirdigby9241
@sirdigby9241 3 года назад
With such a silly title I hesitated to watch but it was actually quite good.
@matthewmann8969
@matthewmann8969 3 года назад
Yes and no they were definitely not Anglos, Saxons, Anglo Saxons, Germanics, Normans, Or Vikings
@giannarosize
@giannarosize 3 года назад
Viking is a job, correct definition is Scardinavians, and they are considered Germanic since they speak a Germanic dialect 🙃 they just have a little different fixture in their genes (just a correction)
@robbieevans6536
@robbieevans6536 3 года назад
You can get into all these politically motivated reasons why people thought the Greeks and Romans where white or not, but I think the main reason why people think the Greeks and Romans where white is because most of the statues from those times appear to have European features...Pretty much that simple.
@Texasmade74
@Texasmade74 3 года назад
But there have been DNA studies done and the ancient Greeks were white and modern ethnic Greeks are genetically similar to ancient Greeks
@Texasmade74
@Texasmade74 3 года назад
"The origins of the Bronze Age Minoan and Mycenaean cultures have puzzled archaeologists for more than a century. We have assembled genome-wide data from 19 ancient individuals, including Minoans from Crete, Mycenaeans from mainland Greece, and their eastern neighbours from southwestern Anatolia. Here we show that Minoans and Mycenaeans were genetically similar, having at least three-quarters of their ancestry from the first Neolithic farmers of western Anatolia and the Aegean1,2, and most of the remainder from ancient populations related to those of the Caucasus3 and Iran4,5. However, the Mycenaeans differed from Minoans in deriving additional ancestry from an ultimate source related to the hunter-gatherers of eastern Europe and Siberia6,7,8, introduced via a proximal source related to the inhabitants of either the Eurasian steppe1,6,9 or Armenia4,9. Modern Greeks resemble the Mycenaeans, but with some additional dilution of the Early Neolithic ancestry. Our results support the idea of continuity but not isolation in the history of populations of the Aegean, before and after the time of its earliest civilizations."
@Yarblocosifilitico
@Yarblocosifilitico 3 года назад
@@Texasmade74 yes but that also means that in ancient times the people in the Levant were caucasian (shouldn't surprise anyone), which makes a lot of people uncomfortable
@Texasmade74
@Texasmade74 3 года назад
@@Yarblocosifilitico yes that's true too
@joshuamoon9312
@joshuamoon9312 2 года назад
@@Texasmade74 Greeks are genetically similar to Jews.
@yawasap5110
@yawasap5110 3 года назад
You people have so much education and can't tell the color from white or red your worldly knowledge is foolish.
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