Were the Borg Actually Created By The Romulans? Ultimate Fan Theory 

The Cannon origin of the borg was spoken about by Seven shortly after she came onboard Voyager. "When the Borg first arrived in this galactic cluster." Seven indicated they're not only not from this galaxy, but not from this galaxy cluster.

I think it's much more interesting if they are an mysterious ancient alien race that has little in common with the known Alpha Quadrant species, just as they were in Q Who

I know it's tangential at best but I do love that TNG took the time to explain how every alien looks like humans with stuff on their face and did it in a way that was not just annoying exposition. It made some sense within the universe and it was a fun and interesting episode.

I like to think the Borg started with the joining of Decker and Vger

The biggest issue with this hypothesis is the Borg getting from the Alpha quadrant to the Delta quadrant. Yes, a wormhole or other anomaly could do it. I suppose it could happen, but I'm skeptical.

The explanation in the Destiny books is my mind canon

I thought it was cannon the romulans left Vulcan long ago, and in TNG timeframe Spock was attempting reintegration of the two.

I never liked the Romulan theory about the Borg. Maybe there was an ancient race that was exploring the stars in a massive ship (millions of them on one ship). It crashed on a inhospitable planet that left most of them dead or dying. The only way that they could survive is the blend themselves with their technology, hence the Borg were created.

The Borg began in the Delta Quadrant. This has been stated numerous times in Trek lore.

The Borg were evolved from that thing in 'Enterprise' that pretended to be a ship repair space station.

My thoughts are that the Romulans were once the Vulcan military. When peace broke out on Vulcan the military was no longer needed so they left. The Vulcan military had always used strict adherence to duty to control their emotions. That is why we see it so much in Balance of Terror and in The Enterprise Incident. As for the absence of the Romulans I think they may have been dealing with the Q during that time. The Q finally decided against the Romulans and, no prize for guessing correctly, destroyed the Romulan Empire by blowing up their sun

In voy epi "dragons teeth" Gedrin of the Vaadwaur said he knows of the Borg and that was from 900yrs ago

I can confirm that while the Romulans had absolutely nothing to do with the creation of the Borg, we WILL Exploit it's technology to the fullest.

The Romunals being a nation that left Vulcan is pretty explicit in a history both groups are aware of in their history and given the fact Romulan members of Starfleet are only known if they admit to those origins so it's pretty safe to say their Vulcan origins is safely established and their difference from the Vulcans is a cultural one given how recent that splitting off is, on a scale comparable to North and South American settlers from their home countries or the Okinawans from the Japanese home islands. We don't see ourselves as different species but we do see ourselves as distinct cultures.

Is it possible that there are different iterations of the Borg?

My understanding is the Borg is everywhere, they have different “tribes” in every quadrant probably being controlled by a massive “capital” hive. It could also be that the Q and other species are a evolved versions of the human race and the Borg could also be a major branch in that tree of life...

Without a definitive origin story for the Borg, anything and everything is possible, unfortunately. Definitively the Borg are centuries old and based out of the Delta Quadrant; time travel exists in the franchise; The Hansens were able to encounter the collective via The Raven, which it's been ages since I've watched that episode but I don't remember anything about wormholes or transwarp being used; the Zhat Vash are vehemently against AI; the Romulans had possession of The Artifact cube. It's impossible using conventional warp travel or linear time. The collective also doesn't make use of cloaking technology. I don't know if we know if they use an artificial black hole as their warp core or equivalent. Borg tech is clearly way more advanced. Both species are convinced of their own superiority. Romulans rely on subterfuge rather than brute force. I liked the Star Trek Destiny novel origin hypothesis, and if that is possible, I guess something similar here is as well, although it requires extraordinary circumstances.

I prefer the idea, that the romulans found an ionian base, that had teleport doors and some ai technology, which the romulans used/abused. At some point they started to enhance themselves with that ionian Tech. Then somehow an ai got a hold of one or a couple of enhanced romulans and created the borg. The romulans managed to somewhat defeat the borg, but couldnt kill them, so they transported the borg with one of the ionian gates, destroying it afterward. That way the borg got into the delta quadrant but had a slow start, since they were basically stranded there

great point

Well there's plenty yet to be explained about the Romulans. From just TNG we see proto Vulcan society in "Who watches the watchers" So it's quite possible that the people under the raptor's wings traveled from Vulcan and found a compatible people on what would be later called Eart... er Romulus. I try to avoid Klutzman Trek as much as possible. So with that I can see them doing all kinds of experiments to gain advantage for themselves. As they seem to be paranoid to the extreme not to be in a weaken power position. That would explain the remote drone mimic ship. Along with the advanced cloaked mines amd ships. So why not do body enhancement experiments too. Instead of doing like the Huumans did with DNA. They did so with nanites and technical enhancement. Of course like soo many things it got way out of hand and had to be stopped. That would explain how a small remnant say a collective, survived and just like the Romulans went across the stars and founded what we know now as the Borg. That would explain how the Borg started out as a small collection of systems that grew over the centuries to the threat they later became. It makes for nice explainable work.

Chambers has clearly run out of material. Aint no Borg came Romulans.

When does part 2 of the Timelapse of the Dominion war

If you go by visual canon a piece of the Borg wall was used in Star Trek 3 and they reused the Borg Transporter affect for Romulans. I'm not sure of all the other reusers. Well we know from voyager: Dragon's Teeth "GEDRIN: You're Borg. SEVEN: How do you know that? GEDRIN: Don't you recognise my people? The Vaadwaur? SEVEN: The Collective's memory from nine hundred years ago is fragmentary. GEDRIN: I've had many encounters with your kind. EMH: And lived to tell about them? Impressive." Later in episode "GEDRIN: The Borg? In my century they'd only assimilated a handful of systems. It looks like they've spread through the quadrant like a plague. No offence. SEVEN: None taken" In enterprise regeneration at the end they get the coordinates for the Borg homeworld in the Delta quadrant. The reason they disappeared before TNG for 50 years in non-canon was because they were at war with the gorn a neighbouring species. I've always just thought that the Borg originated somewhere in the Delta quadrant a long time ago and just spread outwards.

And now we wait for the arguments.....

If get the chance to time-travel I'll make LR change his ringtone to the single piano note theme before recording this video

Wasn't it confirmed that the Romulans were offshoots of the Vulcans?

The Borg Queen is a Romulan Praetoress who got rogue A.I Beyond that there are Iconian Gateways

I wonder what happens to Lore's old sign off saying. Everyone has a story so make yours a good one.

Would play into the Picard line of how the Romulans hate androids and the Borg especially.

"Were the Borg Actually Created By The Romulans?" Not unless they were able to travel back in time and halfway across the galaxy after their first interaction with the pre-federation coalition of planetary systems.

1:37 My understanding is that Romulans and Vulcans were the same species, but there was a religious-type schism that led to one group going off on their own.

Short answer: No. Long answer: Definitely no.

Wouldn't say they've got an Origin that anyone in universe created. Seeing how absurdly powerful apparently the ENTIRE Trek universe regards them. An IF that's even partially their Origin it's SO back Kaless was running round with Ancient Klingons, an Vulcans were FAR FAR away from being the ultimate logical race still an "Humans who??" The whole Trek verse would say would think. Especially since Borg as we know them are basically SPECIES killers. With just 1 Cube. When about EVERYONE ELSE. Even distinguished powerful factions like the Klingons, Romulus, Cardis, Dominion an even Feds all seem to require good sized fleets to do similar few times any of them are known to tried.

Wow! Fan theories are better than cannon!

The Rihannsu Imperium *is* the sort to make such a monster as the Borg with the aim of coercing the rest of the galaxy to fall in line under the "Raptor's Wing" so to speak, but no way would they not have an automatic "kill code" imbedded into their own mechanical monsters should such a dangerous menace get loose- they're not that dumb; not by a long-shot.

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this connects so well for a theory i had for a long time about the romulan/vulcan history. What if earth was a occupied by the vulcan empire before the split happened. I allways though that roman empire had helmets that would hide the ears were a good point to start with.. and it would give intresting implications to the history of earth in trek.. i mean thats why the vulcans were there in first contact in the first place.. and so on. Also this borg origin theory explains why the needed to grow so strong and then the split happened because of their shift in philosophy because of earth because cant be the opressor to win a war against maschines.

Assuming no interference from Q or any higher beings, can Starfleet, Post Dominion War, survive an infestation of the Flood from Halo? Given that the Forerunners were far more advanced than Starfleet, what would happen if the Flood began infecting planets outside the Federation's reach? Would the galaxy succumb to the Flood, or does Starfleet have an ace up their sleeve when dealing with threats like the Flood?

i think thats a lot of stretches

i always had assumed the Q genetically-evolved themselves into gods and the Borg techno-cyborged themselves into gods

Interesting idea but I’m. Or convinced as the boss were more interested in earth and the feds. Otherwise it would be a romulan planet they would have been heading for in onset of both worlds.

Interesting theroy that holds some water. Regarless of if its true or not im sure this will trigger some fan-boy even mentioning it. 😂

From the title I didn't think I'd like this, but it's got the makings for a very interesting story I wouldn't mind seeing

isn't it cannon that the romulans split from the vulcans, because of logic becoming like a religion on vulcan, and they rebelled against it? i'm lost.

So while I can't find any information about this in my Star Trek Chronology book I think possibly early on in the creation of Star Trek that might have been an idea. But as time wore on that seemed very unlikely. The Borg chances are were created but some race true but not the Romulans. I say this because there are several races older than all of the prime powers of the Aplha Quadrant, we Ruk, Vaal, Norman all of whom are ancient forms of Andriods and A.I. yet are advance by 23rd century tech. Not to mention there are races even older The race that built the Guardian of Forever is probably the oldest but you have the Tkon Empire which predated the Founders. So whenever the Romulans went into hiding as it's called more than likely they started fighting another race on the opposite end of its empire and stayed away from the Federation until they felt better prepared.

Great writers create a galaxy spanning race more ancient than the oldest space going races in the Alpha or Beta quadrant and now they're offspring to a race which is itself a sub-race to people who only went into space 3000 years before Johnathon Archers Enterprise. I hate modern Star Trek.

I could be wrong and feel free to correct me if I am, but I believed the Borg predated the Sundering. When the Borg first arose and established the Romulans weren't Romulans quite yet. With both Vulcans and Romulans sharing lineage I'm curious as to where they'd fit in.

Easy answer.....nooooooo😂 I have an awesome theory tho that I haven't finished laying down.

The Borg predate the Romulans by longer than the Romulans have existed, so no.

That´s an interesting theory but... if the Romulans created the BORG their technology would have to be thousands of years ahead of the Federation and Klingons. For that we have no signs anywhere. Furthermore - even if you could explain their cyclical regressions in technology with some organization that destroys AI, somehow the Romulans must have been able to "deal" with the BORG even before the Federation had first contact with either, the BORG and the Romulans. Is it really plausible that the Romulans had tech so advanced that they would have been able to escape assimilation? Even 23rd century Romulans wouldn´t be able to really push back on the BORG if they had sent more than 1 cube (I believe). Romulan tech was not much more advanced than that of the Feds for maybe a few decades and then fell behind the Federation. So, in the end I don´t see any evidence in canon that the Romulans actually created the BORG. They just weren´t technologically advanced enough and even if some early AI experiment would have gone bad, those BORG would have assimilated the Romulans centuries ago.

I appreciate your logic in this essay, I just dont understand how the Vulcans fit into this theory considering that the Romulans and Vulcans share direct ancestry?

Love the BSG reference 👍🏾👍🏾

I heard some mad doctor took some of control and and used to go ba k intoned tword the delta quadent and used red matter and he became the first bireg ir sonthing lije that.

Literally using Red letter media’s joke theory as a real theory

You should do video on why th Q are afraid of the Borg with their powers?

One issue I have with this theory is that it doesn't make sense for the Borg to attack the Federation home world rather than Romulus "when they came back". If they were really gunning for their former "creators"/"masters"/"enemies", they would have been more likely to go after them instead of picking a fight with a whole new adversary first. Another nit pick would be the "disappearance" of the Romulans. You make it sound like they went away to hide from the Borg or something. The reality is they just retreated behind their borders like a bunch of shut-ins. They were always still there occupying their space, they just didn't interact with anyone outside of their space (or at least not with Federation-aligned worlds).

Wow now that’s scraping the bottom of the barrel.

What does CCE mean?

The question is, why would they create them? Even accidentally and if we accept that the romulans are much older than usually thought? Wouldn't the Zhat Vash existing slow down research into AI and nanites, since they're trying to avoid machine intelligence being created? The Romulans seeming to regress in technology isn't necessarily a fair judgement, when every technology can eventually be countered. Mimicking a ship is only valuable as long as the enemy doesn't have sensors good enough. Superweapons are only as good as the enemy's shields are incapable of stopping them. And we definitely know a technology's look doesn't always indicate that it's actually newer. I also don't see much evidence of them being connected except the potential timeframe? I'm happy accepting that the Romulan empire is older than the Borg, but so are many, many other factions in the galaxy.

Naaaaah,but thanks. My reasoning for the Romulan disappearances was them off screwing around on the far side of the Beta quadrant. I always digg your vids though.

I'm thinking some apple pie, some coffee and later some ice coke and well maybe a nice warm bath, slippers and a blanket after that.

So this video does that thing that fan theorists do that I hate, they take random comments from people and treat it as Gosple turth. Maybe Guinan was speaking colloquially. Maybe the Vodwar was wrong.

Dose anyone else thing the cjanglings created humanoid life

The theory is cray cray - The Borg are many millenia old - They seriously outdate the Romulans, Vulcans, Terrans, even Ferengi

Have any of the writers/produces hinted at this being possible? It's an interesting theory, although...Picard, Seven, Hugh, or any other Borg may have had some access to Borg origin data while they were part of the collective. Assuming they were allowed to access that sort of data, Picard would have recognized any involvement the Romulans may have had in the creation of the Borg. Then there is Q. Knowing how much Q loved to torment Picard he probably would have dropped a few hints about their origin...just to see Picard jump through some fiery hoops again, and to gloat.

the borg are older than the romulans.

i absolutely hate this theory it to me makes no sense that the romulans created the borg! 1:19 WHAT! the romulans didnt evolve on romulus they are just a branch of the vulcans who refused to shed there emotions and were cast out of vulcan society over the years they slowly changed to become the romulans we know today both the vulcans and romulans share a direct ancestry.

I'm convinced

you mean the vulcans right im talking about the one in star trek:legacy

Holy shit Lore you are capable of making a good video.

bit of a reach on this one my dude

Or...the Borg are the reminents od an ancient civilization that succumbed to technology and became the Borg. Guinan even stated that the Borg are "made up of organic and artificial life...which has been developing for...thousands of centuries." However old the Borg are, it's very clear their origins are in the Delta Quadrant.

Not a fan of this theory. I perfer the Borg whole separate from the Alpha and Beta quadrants and developed on their own.

And in the (non-canon) Destiny trilogy of Star Trek books, the Earth-Romulan war did create the Borg... via timey-wimey shenanigans, but it was the Romulan attack on the Columbia NX-02 that kicked it all off

I hope this theory gets confirmed in on screen it would tie everything together nicely

So the Borg are just the Romulan’s Badgey? 😁

While I can always appreciate a good fan theory, Occam’s razor will not be kind on this one.

I love Romulans so much I just want this to be true

Nope.

No, no they weren’t

There's not much here

Simple answer: NO

I don't want to ever learn the origin story of the Borg. Nothing will be good enough. The mystery is better.

Boobies😊.That is all.

I can explain the theory: LAZY WRITING!

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Personally, I like Shatner's explanation from "The Return", no matter how debunked it is.

Boring

New trek writers and producers are irresponsible with the canon

This video lost me by using the term BCE and CE. The proper terms are BC ( Before Christ) And AD ( Anno Domini / Year Of Our Lord)