Werner Herzog and Errol Morris talk about "The Act of Killing" 

The thing is that it's not -- or they do their best to separate themselves from their sins through escapism and diffusion of responsibility. "I was just guarding the truck" "We were only protecting the state"

Imagine not caring less -- and thus not having that on your conscience, even though you did it. And it's not just these Indonesian guys. Western politicians routinely cause the deaths of tons of people and don't care less, they feel they did totally fine. Police routinely kill e.g. innocent unarmed people (even kids) and argue for their innocence and continue their police career just fine, and so on....

@Whizper2me but when you conflate normal speech with hate speech ..that's dangerous too.

I think anyone who eats animals is already to some degree numb to the act of killing

your profile picture looks like an M&M

Just came back to this 10-year-old comment to say, "bruh, I give you THE INTERNET."

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woah you just gave him the internet that's badass@@AlisonWilder

@@AlisonWilderthe internet and internet trolls have existed for way longer than 10 years…

What the fuck does that have to do with it?

because they are equally vulgar and degenerate. sick fucks.

If it has to be explained, you can't be told.

Its called reality, deal with it.

Anugerah Ardiansyah I am looking forward to seeing it. And to the sleepless nights, afterwards.

matt 3794 quality banter. i love you.

matt 3794 so denial isn't just a river in Egypt...

You wrote this 5 years ago king😼👑

beautiful you said? this movie was actually so depressing, remembering my family was one of the victims too. but ironically this movie was banned from the country who has the dark history

***** who cares if they were muslims or not?

***** Go troll somewhere else you racist dimwit. You have no place keeping company with these thinking people.

***** indeed a lot of people cares about it. thats why we as society talk about it in the media. this was some decades ago and we still talking about it. so it DOES matters. those who forget their history are condemned to repeat it. thats why memory and truth are so usefull for us as society. fortunately you ARE JUST ONE IDIOT. just one! so it DOES NO MATTER WHAT ONE IDIOT SAYS

yep america didnt give a fuck how many innocent people died

+Ullbritt I wonder why. Worth researching.

Very rare? There are many who are honest with their work.

Yes I've watched, and I realized that in 1966 the people of Indonesia have been brainwashed. Sadly for us the people of Indonesia to experience such an event. Supposedly we achieved independence from the colonizers made ​​more peaceful. It's sad that there are such dark events. To be honest, now I see the Indonesian-Chinese people already feel / are like the natives, and the natives seen any Indonesian-Chinese people as well as natives too, we are now more diffuse and join hands with each other. Hopefully for the better future

Hello from the future, how’s life going? 😉✌️

I know ..the is reply is 6 years too late but if you're a citizen of South East Asia during those difficult time you will understand. The Korea War just ended. The Vietnam War is still part of out daily news. The Domino Theory is very very real to us. Communist China want to turn SEA into communist countries. The war against the communist in 1965 is also taking place in Malaysia, Thailand and Singapore. If China were successful, can you imagine what the world would be like now! Do not judge them. They were actually doing the dirty job of the CIA. The CIA were there definitely.

@@TheAwillz Badly! 2020 SUCKS!

@@jamilatanbinselamathardajo2626 don't try to blame the CIA cause they allowed it to happen but the roots are clearly like you said in the domino theory and the cold war but also the Islamic doctrine and the hate against rational atheism, not just communism.

Ending is just unreal.

The Oscars (and general American viewing public) don't have the stomach for this kind of thing.

Yes! 20 Feet from Stardom is a good documentary but it beating Act of Killing and The Square is insane!

Ryan Malm The Oscar committee has a habit of awarding self-congratulatory, masturbatory films about it's own industry.

Ender Arkanian it was 2013. Of course The Square wasn´t going to get any award, and the reasons have nothing to do with the film industry. things have changed -google geopolitics. it doesn´t have that habit neither on the documentary nor the foreign film categories -it awarded CITIZENFOUR, of course to make it look like it doesn´t have it´s own agenda. The Oscar Commitee voted a shit disinformation piece like "Argo" not for the masturbatory part of the fake movie but to smear the iranians. Luckily each and every one involved in the "incident" came out to debunk Bennifer BS comments about his "chronicle". As they stated, in fact the CIA was there two days and did next to nothing. _Iran_ wanted them out and actually "helped" negotiating with the ambassador a way to get them on a plane FAST to avoid bigger problems. They also openly stated they were NOT detained before getting in the plane. Of course no one gave a shit about their statements...

+LisergicoRojo to be fair citizenfour was as good as the square. Although 20 feet winning was fucking shocking and disgraceful. Also Argo was solid but forgettable and safe, that was its crime. I wouldnt say it shat on iranians, rather just showed the danger of the revolution and also actually blamed everything on the american government in the intro for proping up the shah.

I know this comment is 6 years old but fucking nothing man. Anwar's squads were backed by the US too. Hell, Iraq had it happen too. Even conservative estimates say 110,000 civilians died in iraq, most estimates around 1,000,000. And even before that, we were funding people who were doing the exact same thing Anwar was doing back in the 80s under the Mujahideen and various other groups after they split up. Indonesia wasn't an isolated incident by any means, it's just another case study. Fuck the military The reason the US didn't give a fuck about rwanda was because we use murderers like that as a weapon all the time

uriahsky I know I'm like wayyyyyyyyy late but your so true

Exactly, US invaded iraq for what? Where’s the WMD? Anyway the us backed leader in indonesia afterwards was suharto and he was a dictator with questionable human rights record but us was fine because he was pro US. Even at the end of his regime (probably is not called that because he was “elected”), there was even riot close to genocide that kill many chinese indonesians. Guess where’s the americans? Nowhere to be found. And then, now you see US meddle in HK and uighur, we know that. us has motives and it’s not human rights even though they portrayed it that way.

JandJandJandJandJ I think you’re right on every level, but just as discussed in this video-this movie wasn’t about the historical facts of the genocide, but rather a human study of people behaving as though they had nothing to hide. If anything, the difference between this event and Vietnam is, the men who “fought” in Indonesia don’t have whatever cultural/societal barriers prevent them from acting honest and proud for their “duty”. It’s almost more forgivable in some sense, bc the US has been responsible for far more atrocities than the subjects of this film-we just all pretend it’s something more noble while they called it like it is, straight-up extermination.

@@JandJandJandJandJ Also the mass murdering deaths squads in Central America that Reagan illegally sold arms to Iran in order to fund, publicly likening them to our Founding Fathers as justification for his support.

That's why she broke with you.

@@coitusinterruptus1180 Well if someone called, Coitus Interruptus, isn't qualified to call it. Who would be?

I agree, I’m glad to relate with you

+Andrea Labate As Dostoevsky said "“My friend, the truth is always implausible, did you know that? To make the truth more plausible, it's absolutely necessary to mix a bit of falsehood with it. People have always done so.”

+Andrea Labate And yes Herzog and Morris are the masters of making documentaries that are not just fact based. Fog of War, Grizzly Man and Mcullin are my favourite documentaries along with this. All are much more than factual information.

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Is this Herzog referencing what he calls 'ecstatic truth'?

Indeed!

+Sad Man "Ironic"? Ummm... no?

Here I am, a person with the same experience . This film still comes to my mind every now and then. And it's ten years since I saw it for the last time.

Just curious...could you name a few more documentaries that you consider effective and meaningful?

@@alexeymonk let me guess, you’re assuming I’ve never seen another documentary in my life. But I didn’t say “documentary”. I said “movie”. I’m including all film. Not trying to be some documentary snob.

@@alexeymonk Just curious about what you’re really getting at here. Because it SEEMS like you’re just looking for some stupid online argument.

I’d say there’s more bad documentaries than good ones.

Agree. Anything based of violent actions are welcomed in this country. Including faith movement.

@@PuckDaily read his comment again, he has lived in the country all his life, you have not

@@PuckDaily you didn't read the original comment. He/she says that innocent people were accused of being communists and tortured and murdered

@@PuckDaily Oh great, another militant anti-commie.

"I think we learn nothing" - as I type, there is a company to the right of this comment called Fightland.com who have put up a video called Thai Prison Fights - it has had 4,171,552 views. Yeah. We learn nothing.

Patrick Dodds u mad?

Western Society was supporting it to the hilt for years. Indeed orchestrated it and armed the state doing it. Western society doesn't observe the inhumanity, it exemplifies it

@@PatrickDodds1 Thailand has a long history of Penal Muay Thai fighting competitions dating back all the way to 1767 (That's older than the United States). Quit Judging other people's Cultures you Asshole.

@@edwardjones2202 sometimes i wonder if people like you honestly believe the world was a better place if the supposedly thoroughly and inherently evil western european culture never happened

*****, he might not lie exactly but he still will twist facts to serve his own political agenda. I consider myself a very liberal individual and although I do agree with Michael Moore and his message remember he's a filmmaker first and political activist second. He himself has admitted to this and to be honest it's not really a surprise. He tells the truth but not the whole truth.

now what is your judgement?

Michael Moore is a terrible documentary film maker. The only thing he documents are his personal opinions.

Is your judgement that it was good these people were exterminated, or bad? And do you think there was a reason they were murdered, and a system responsible, or that it just happened because of "human nature" or "god's will"?

M22118 monztar85, I take it that like the film, you are afraid to make a judgement.

+Temps dude this movie was one of the craziest documentaries i've ever seen, for sure.

Africa

+matt 3794 you're missing the point entirely

+Ryan Jones dont even bother trying to educate him.. ive seen his comments on the movie.

Matt, maybe you right. This documentary doesn't tell why Anwar killed the commies. Only tell one perspective?? I'm not saying they had the rights to kill everything like barbarians but you gotta show both perspectives. Anwar said "I know it was wrong, but I had to do it". This documantary doesn't tell why he had to do it right? Especially about Pancasila Youth. It has been an issue to Anwar Congo, after he saw the movie, he said he feels betrayed by Joshua. He said Joshua even lied about the titles of the documentary. He continued "How could you show like Pancasila Youth is like an evil organizastion. You don't know how many Pancasila Youth members had been killed by that party!" I'm an Indonesian so I know Party Communist Indonesia (PKI), they killed many people, they wanted to take over the country, killed 7 Generals (heroes of Indonesia in Netherland's occupation till Japanese occupation) just so they'd be the only ones who could rule without any rivals, they also killed The Muslim priests, Pancasila Youth members. A lot of them. Of course people would say it was goverment conspiracy bla bla bla.. But still, Anwar Congo and his buddies didn't kill for no reasons. And those reasons are the facts that they don't show on the Act of Killing.

damn i am from medan, but currently i am at Malang, studying :/

gmn tanggepannya orang medan liat film ini?

anarki777 What is it called please?

@@riverdeep399 act of killing jagal senyap

kupis1408 the difference is that this is a real story. Without any fiction in it. The other two you mentioned are pure fiction. I was born during one of this massacre and my parents and grandparents generation are witness to it. Chinese being killed randomly on the streets.

you reep what you sow... are mybe he was just pissed of , and said fuck it

Why do i think when i read of this on dude on a Podium meme

That’s not surprising, i myself an indonesian never knew the genocide that was committed to supposedly the “villains” before i watched this film & most indonesians still not aware of this as well, even to this day the organization who carried out the genocide is still powerful.

​@@landey94grocks I am a Vietnamese and recently read the book The Jakarta method and it is truly painly for what terror your country has experienced. Suharto's regime literally killed so many people that everything become silent because there is no one left to tell.

Not just chinese, sukarno’s supporter, communists, workers, peasants and others leftist and progresive politician were killed during 1965 communist purge.

It's subjective I guess.. 💭💭💭

Acharich Speaks very true. Werner may even think those directors are pants for all I know.

+no hassle Lynch & Gilliam are genius; however when it comes to film and surrealism, Jodorowsky is the true mastermind

Max Ashford I will have a look at his work :)

Werner Herzog is an eccentric who doesn't believe in surrealism and symbolism. He sees no real value in it. Interestingly tho he did coproductions together with David Lynch at some point.

ati2 kalo ngomong

This is what happens when you justify evil act to purge another people.

he's also an acclaimed director bro

I was wondering why I recognized him and honestly decided he must remind me of one of the men portraying German soldiers in the documentaries I watched tonight. Nope that dude has terrible intentions for baby Yoda. Thanks for that

Aguacate Booking i think better to watch it before, then watch it after if you feel like it (like i did)

Where can i watched?

"there wont be such a powerful movie in the next one or two or three decades. period."

What?

make sure to not cut yourself on that edge

Edgy teenagers posting stupid insensitive shit. Wonder how he would react if somebody close to him died.

Because you're not interested in discussing reality.

Come again?

You mean YOUR president Bush and YOUR president Trump. Sit down and stfu deplorable!

Actually that guy in the movie said that, he didnt quote nobody, it was all him

I hope we all got wooshed because if not you are an asshole

schpoingle I fell like you're grossly oversimplifying this film. It goes beyond simply politics, society, and human nature and questions the cohesion between them all. Yes, of course humans love to kill. We are animals after all and we also love to mate and eat. As an "advanced" society almost globally we have restrictions of who we have sex with and how much eating or weight is acceptable. Almost universally, we as a species restrict our ability to kill one another, the act of killing if you may, and it is precisely this aspect of being a human being in a society of other humans that this film wants to communicate.

Wendy Berrios I have yet to see an "advanced" society.

Feeling happy for killing people is not "just the way it is", no-one is born happy to kill except psychopath

They felt happy because they think they are the hero and has saved many lives. Thats why no regret, the propaganda so strong, and knowledge so low.