Westworld S3E08 Finale Explained 

Dark!

Dark please!

Berserk, DragonBallZ & Super, umbrella academy, & one punch man!

Dark, Tales from the Loop

dark

Its just taking care of.yourself innit

Westworld is asking the big questions just like Black Mirror.

The age old question: If the artificial person is your exact copy, is it masturbation or incest?

there is an element of auto-eroticism...probably a bit more if you are actually electronics, gears and other auto parts lol.

This scene reminds me of Maeve craddling her daughter ( a copy of herself) inside of the maze in Season 1. Thanks for sharing 🙏💕💕💕💕

Was this season any good? I wanted to wait till now to ask because of what happened last season

alt shift x is FUCKEN LEGIT

Veto2090 its better. Sort of drops a bit in the end but honestly I thought there were a lot of great episodes and thought provoking stuff. Not as good as season one but better than two

Was this the final season of the show? Is Stubbs story done? Is Maeve's story done? Yeah the show has flaws, but half the complaints about S3 are "The show isn't finished yet and I am bothered by it." The stormtrooper aim is bad tho.

i can forgive lots of flaws as long as writers don't seem to simply "give up" on making it a good show

K. Rahimi Season 4 is a go and the producers want to do 5 seasons in total.

True, your last line. I feel like Alt Shift X heightened my enjoyment of shows like GoT (while it was good) and WW. Their take on Expanse was also great.

@@bassplayinMacFiend Not true. The rumor was 6, but both Nolan and Joy have confirmed that these numbers were made up and they never specified the numbers, because they don't know how many seasons it will take to tell the story they have in their mind.

Indeed the breathist of fresh

Here here

You’re totally right! It would have softened the blow of the (mostly) ridiculous motivation-based “twists” in the final episode if we didn’t have to wait months to get there. Would’ve been better able to appreciate the good parts of the show.

Agreed, binged watched all of season 3 and it was great but I can see why if you watched it week on week it would suck.

@@yoshi105 Nope, it suck in both ways, because is pointless and full of one-note characters.

I’m so glad I waited til after the season finished to watch all the episodes in a row, that being said- it still didn’t make it any more clear what she was doing or even what anyone was doing. This whole season was too ambiguous imo for any of it to make any sense. They’ve steered too far from the masterpiece that was the first season. Now everyone can do anything and control anyone and know everything... it’s gone from being cool technology to downright magical and it sucks.

It still sucks ass. I watched the entire show in a month. One episode per day. First 2 seasons I was so obsessed and couldnt wait for the next episode. Season 3 broke my heart.

I personally think S4 was better than S3 and reminded me of the classic S2 westward. Need him to make a video

Lol thats why I came here lol Season 4

Dude, it was junk. Has the worst RT reviews of S3 and while I don't subscribe to that lot, I tend to agree. Convoluted, feminazi tripe.

Right??? He would have a field day with that show!

That would be a perfect show for him

Yeah

The only thing that would make Dark more Epic is Alt 💔

I would gladly watch that!!

I choose to see both.

Yeah, it wasn't flawless but had its moments.

@@TheMeanMongoose I thought it was extremely underwhelming and pretentious.

SAME!

the only praise i can give season 3 is that it wasn't as bad as season 2... oh wait, no Anthony Hopkins scenes in season 3... season 2 > season 3. the writing was so god damn lazy it actually pissed me off by the end of season 3, and the fact they gave dumb and dumber a cameo and referred to Drogon as _their_ dragon got me fuming with rage. season 1 was nothing short of a bloody masterpiece, and now its all about how cool and stronk whamen delores and maive (and even Charlotte to a degree) is... you can tell the original writing team for season 1 were replaced by hack feminists for season 2 and 3. little details like Stubbs being absolutely annihilated in his fight with Delores and Lee Sizemore being reduced to a pawn for Maive gives away the obvious "STRONK INDEPENDENT FEMALE" agenda. not to mention the way they did William dirty... Caleb's bloody robot assistant got more screentime than William. oh and they made the rioters look like the good guys, which reflecting on real life riots going on at the moment, pisses me off even more... they even threw in some black lives matter symbolism in the graffiti. the 1 eyed pyramid for the Illuminati was also just in plain sight, whereas this symbol is something they usually go out of their way to hide in hollywood.. now they just plastered it in center of the screen in bright colors as if they are saying "haha we know we are butchering the show, and there's nothing you can do about it".

what I got is that freedom always comes above safety and security because...well, it does, in real life

And all the ideas were crayon drawings on a really expensive piece of fabric. I literally can't think of a single theme or detail or concept that they handled well this season.

Yeah, super existential - protests, curfews, big data... *turns on news. oh wait...

You mean big data controlling our lives and forcing the disenfranchised to stay poor while the rich get richer until humanity reaches a boiling point and descends into riots isn't relatable? Then I've got some news for you...

@@christabelle__ Relatable or not, the execution was severely lacking.

I kinda like that analogy.

He s dead probably they didnt have any idea abt what they'll do with him in s3 so they're trying to make him a badass killer again like he was in s1 and s2

I felt the same honestly but I like ASX's take on it in this video. An unremarkable, post-credit death is appropriate for human William. His whole life was a downward spiral of selfishness, violence, self-destruction, and hurting the people he cared about most. It was becoming clear that he wasn't making any real step towards reconciliation, with his response to his trauma being "kill all of the old versions of myself and then kill all hosts" rather than actually coming to terms with what he's done. He represents a darker, hopeless side of humanity and the way he died is fitting for that sort of character. Besides, if you really just want to see Season 1 and 2 style MIB being a badass, rather than a human character accepting responsibility for his actions and changing dramatically, then I don't think you'll be disappointed, given that we now have robot William, who was made from all of human William's violent, sadistic, messed up data from the Westworld park.

That was so anticlimactic after 3 seasons of epic character development. Season 3 sucked

I hope not. He’s been irrelevant since S3 started. I hope Host MIB actually... does something.

@@Neverender6 You make some good points, but ultimately, my issue is how his death has essentially no impact on the story at large. Or it might, but more to the point, nothing he did this season did. Or season 2 either really. He got the the forge and got taken out of the game. Hell, even season 1. The maze wasn't meant for him after all. He's contributed massive things to the backstory of the park, sure, but has made no plays that had any influence on the larger contemporary narrative. Particularly this season his story runs in parallel to the others, and in isolation. You wanna kill William? Im with it. I agree with you. Even with the way it happened. Poetic really. My problem is the timing. Furthermore with one small tweak, they could have set up a much more interesting seaon 4, imo. Have William survive. Then you have a pissed off billionaire with resources who wants all robots dead VS a pissed off robot with resources through Delos who wants all humans dead. Two extremes, and smack in the middle would be Maive and Caleb with our other characters filling out the spectrum inbetween.

Hes not going to do it. He thinks Westworld is beneath him

@@yanijuarez2118 I don't blame him lol

@@BCSBB season 4 was dull and empty, Westworld story ended in season 2

Lol!

He is saying "charred lores" its a meme from Reddit.

@@lockekappa500 He's saying Charlotte-lores.

@@strange144 he's say Charred lores at the end because she's burnt dude

OMFG 😂😂😂 I guess there are technically two charred ones now...Charred Loras and Charred Charlores

I think (hope) the host William will continue the story in S4

R T I see why it would be cool but human William is just so much more interesting. Host William I feel is just gonna be a henchman for hale. Just ruined 2 seasons of character development for him to die in a post credit scene

Dowhat Iwant lol

Yup

Everyone plays their part though. He represents the worst of Humanity, someone so far gone he kills his own daughter because he doesn’t trust anyone else. You can’t really say they “wasted” him when this was his fate from the beginning.

Is he even a square peg tho they told him who to be I’m curious who he will be without his life being controlled

They won't have to "force" anything, they'll just get to his DOS prompt and start typing.....

He remains Mr. White's assistant cook... bitch. He pretty much plays the same set of characters over and over again.

I don't see how Caleb is any more free to make choices of his own than a toaster... He was literally manipulated the whole season long and as far as his memories reveal to us, his whole life... The fact that he made once a lifetime a choice not to rape some robots does not convince me that he is not just a pawn.

He's a dumb, confused puppy.

I've been waiting for this and the collapse of western civilization shrug emoji

Thanks so much Broden 🙂

They pigeon-holed every single female lead into a "gruff macho man who's really good at killing in a specific awesomeballzz way". Maeve s1 was the perfect anti-thesis to this god awful archetype, and then some dipshit drew a katana on her in pre-production, and Nolan got a chubby, so that's what they ran with.

That shade, though!! Especially with that Shinji profile picture lol

Yeah, her plot was not that well written. She should have just gone to the Sublime with her daughter in season 2, her arc concluded. The series hasn't got a problem with introducing characters. Somebody new could have filled the role of "Serac's unwilling pawn who was blackmailed, but ultimately rebelled at the end."

Maeve is the worst character by far in this show. the superpower bullshit is so campy and out of place.

The Maeve that we knew and loved from S1 returned in the last 5 minutes of this episode, but too little, too late.

hbo series usually peak at S3, then there's a good S4, only to kind of lose their way S5, S6.

Definitely. Especially since it's so painfully clear here, that they really don't have the future of the series figured out at all, they never had. They might have had or have some vague, possible finale in mind, but how they get there and what they do in each season is pretty much made up as they go along. Which would be fine, if they didn't pretend otherwise...

It is in the memories and which ones we will remember Westworld by

Reality is often... disappointing.

Lost flashbacks.

Hahaha but that would make sense, are you crazy????

Shortest season 3 ever.

lol well said, "Morpheus-speak" is the perfect way to describe it!

Yeah, some of the conflicts were so unnatural I was cringing the whole time...

Except that this does happen at some point. The Dolores copy posing as Martin Connells picks up Bernard and explains to him how they're upending the world because humans have been enslaved to an artificial god. But yeah all of the Doloreses have a problem about being forthcoming. Maybe she's just gotten too good at keeping secrets. It could be argued that Dolores didn't fully commit to her "choose to see the beauty" path until after she re-encountered Caleb and saw that her first impression of him was correct. This would be after she left Bernard and forced him (and the Sublime key in his head) into hiding.

The thrown in action scenes were my biggest problem with this show. It's not an action show, we don't need Maeve waving around a katana every couple of minutes to keep is interested, it's the plot, world and characters that we're interested in.

I agree in general, but imo Maeve was never a great character, at least not since season one. Bernard and Dolores though are amazing characters that are wasted away, especially Bernard in the last season

I wonder when westworld fans are gonna wake up and realize the show isnt great anymore. Like got fans defended season 5 n season 7 with great reviews but woke up season 8. Which season will be westworlds season 8?

Season 2 was ten times better than this mess. At least it had some emltional conection to the characters

Season 3 was by far the worst season in my opinion. People complain about season 2 but I really didnt think it was that bad

@@roddur1000 season 3 has woken me. the hype and joy I had for westworld has gone now, not worth 2 year wait.

It's bizarre how little of the original cast of characters we have left but they somehow still can't seem to think of anything to do for that little handful.

I guess William's character was always bound to self destruct and i guess the show has already explored him fully and i believe that even though Bernard didn't have an active role in this season it's going to be fully compensated in the next because he kinda knows what to do after the end of the world. What's messed up in this season was Maeve's character that the show had us thinking was important only to be reduced to dust in this season. Another hing that pissed me off was all of the incompetant shooting of serac's men and the weird fight between Caleb and that bodyguard which made no sense. As for Dolores, her plans have always been a mystery always explored in the next seasons just like Ford's plans earlier so even though we didn' get a full explanation of some of Dolores' actions and aspects of her plan. I think they're just waiting to be explored rather than not making any sense

I thought they ruined Dolores character too

@@AmbyJeans but that was in season 2

ikr? And wth they killed off me boy william at the end too. Like wtf man

Dude I want to erase my memory and rewatch that season. It was fantastic!

I came online during season 1...

Thank you Moré !

@@AltShiftX Really appreciated you took your time. I thought you forgot but I was wrong.

Or Season 3 is just horribly inconsistent. Idk what complains people had for S2 but S3 beat it out of the park by a hundred miles. Dont get me wrong, I still like S3 but I can overlook the inconsistencies if they can be answered in the next season

Which only makes the plot twist in the end that much weirder when they apparently just talked it out.

Rabarbarbar Barbara yeah I see where you’re coming from and it was badly written for sure but I guess Maeve probably just decided that even if she doesn’t trust Dolores 100%, she certainly doesn’t trust serac anymore after seeing that he just listens to rehoboam. She even insults Dolores a little after she dies so I don’t think she switched sides completely, but instead just kinda left her side

@@isham2044 plot was so inconsistent that I thought some of it had to be a simulation.

Maeve keeps telling people that she's obeying Serac out of hope that he can and will reunite her with her daughter. But no part of that story is for one moment believable. What makes sense is for Maeve to keep trying to escape from Serac's control and appear to cooperate with him just enough that he doesn't erase her. But after her attempt to steal her own brain from inside a simulation fails, she seems to just give up and obey like a good slave.

Same here, I remember watching S1/S2 multiple times, I did not even bother rewatching S3. I want to see the final episode of WW and that's it.

@@80sOutrunFan no mistake there... it really isn't that great. I'd recommend watching s1 & 2 again rather than giving the entire s3 a go

I only watched season 3 for the upcoming season 4 it’s going to be dope.....my favourite settings.....dark post apocalyptic world with only hosts there and wanted to see Williams fate

This

Scott this made my day ... 🙂

Unless you are able to breakdown the show as you watch it

i didnt even finish this season. way too fucking dumb, going for generic sci fi chosen one bullshit, no thought put into these characters or the audience. just comic book meta writing with no respect for the details.

I think its a trap many once-great shows fall into. The writers have a set idea of what should happen and why for S1, then it does really well and they still have some unfinished ideas for S2, so that's good too. Then S3 rolls around and its like 'damn, we used all our ideas, now we'll have to pluck some from the ether' and you end up with technically polished, but flawed storylines. Undermining characters personalities just to make a new ep, plot holes that are embedded in the story because its not well-thought out, unlike in S1. I think there was room for growth within the hosts heaven, making it end up just like Westworld, showing how people destroy each other and themselves, no matter how many opportunities you give them. That to be content you need to accept your situation, not run from it. Delores realising you can't save people, they have to save themselves.

@@skullsaintdead what characters were undermined? Name one

@@AverageAlien I'd have to rewatch it but, from memory, I was unimpressed how they dealt with Meave and Delores characters (their altering, unfounded motivations), how they just decided Serac was the antagonist out of nowhere, how we're expected to believed Caleb (who is also the sheepish hero in Ex Machina, whats with that name?) is capable of saving humanity when he's about to suicide & is dripping PTSD, plus how they just killed Stubbs/made him into a host. I really liked Stubbs damnit, he was a great foil to all the seriousness with his pig-headed retorts combined with genuine kindness. Being a host undermines that, the kindness he shows to the hosts in S1&2 is just his programming, plus there were no breadcrumbs to show us he was already a host in S1&2; prob because he wasn't until the writers decided they needed him to be for S3. The only reason why Delores & Meave fight is because conflict was needed & 'two hot chicks with katanas'. Meave apparently gets manipulated despite having the highest emotional intelligence of anyone in the series? By some generic goon Serac? And she just forgets her motivation (saving her kid/keeping hosts safe in the ark) until the writers need to recall it, during a fight where Delores is losing agaist Meave & Seracs goons? Then, Delores randomly thinks the humans are worth saving. WHY. We are not. 100% from her perspecitibve, we ae not. We are creatures who rape her, kill her, enslave her and everyone she knows and we do this for fun. For fun! But because one nice soilder saves her & her kin from being raped, her whole perspective shifts? And what, she just remembers this now? The Caleb-saving-Delores thing apparently happens before S1, so why does her motivation change? I also have no idea what they were doing with William, either hes dead in S2 or he aint. He doesn't serve any purpose anymore. I also dislike Charlotte but i am biased because i dislike the actresses style, she has the same aggro/'im manipulative!' resting face & it irritates me, irrationality im sure.

@@skullsaintdead How could Serac not be an antagonist? His goals are literally aligned with the likes of modern day socialist China. It's nothing but pure evil. Freedom always trumps security and safety, no matter the cost. And Serac was no generic goon. Remember he took orders from a super AI god. So a super AI god could easily manipulate the likes of Maeve. Delores evolved through the seasons which is fine. It's very obvious why delores changes her mind. She remembers that not all humans are in fact evil. She she's that planet of hosts can be evil too, including herself. Everything else is a semi valid criticism

@@skullsaintdead I knew Stubb's was a host S1. If you pay attention, he is looking at the map of WW when young William is on walkabout with Dolores. He talks about it with another employee. The only way Stubbs could look the same age for so long is if he were a host. Ford, e.g., always looks way younger in flashbacks. Also, some of Stubbs chat with Elsie implies his host identity.

That makes a lot of sense tbh. Decent show but ran its course. Hopefully they dont botch this show

@@yugitrump435 you think? I thought it got better! 😂 But I hope the same for Westworld as well, I hope there's an ending in mind they're aiming for

Raj S yeah, if they wanted to make it so pointless, they shouldve give him much less screen time

I thought it was absolutely brilliant! He gets killed by a perfect copy of himself. Something he was convinced was impossible, like the hosts could never be as real as humans. The moment he was killed had a sense of relief and fulfillment for the viewer when his long and destructive life turned full circle, and he was killed by "himself". Again a perfect and suiting end for William who always had a bad and a good side.p But the older he got the more the bad side of him took over. I don't understand what you mean by "they did him dirty" because it doesn't mean anything. You can make clothes dirty, and wash them, hopefully turning them clean again. 🤔 Logically the conclusion would be that you meant they made him a bad guy which makes absolutely no sense because he was a bad guy all the time. Why do you think it was a pathetic death? Didn't you trace back all of his actions that led to that point? It was a perfect end for him when you look back at the many previous episodes where his character was truly reveled.

@@ono1113 Why? Please explain why you think it was pointless? I really dont think you understand the complete picture and appreciate the beauty and buildup to his death. It's much more powerful if its fast and deliberate. Did you wanted a pointless long action sequence where they would fight for 15 minutes despite his copy being far superior in every way? Did you think the same when Anthony Hopkins character Dr Ford died?? If so you really have to grasp the depth of the story which is really complex. Not for the guy who made this narration because he was so cemented in old ideas on how the rules are for a story throughout its progressing. You can't make a brilliant TV series or Movie if you lack the mental capacity to think outside the box and make something unique and also capture how real humans are and introduce a myriad of characters interacting while always keeping to a continuous red thread that is woven in the very fabric that makes up the entire series. From every interaction and dialog. To some extent, but the key is to never break it and make the characters behave stereotypic or random seemingly without purpose other than a very shallow personality. If its completely predictable its also a good sign its bad material from someone who should pick another job. For instance a b Action movie with an immortal superhuman good guy. Its never stated that he has those abilities but since he can defeat a whole squadron of assault rifle armed soldiers without a weapon you can only think of the so called good guys extreme hybris and delusional mind. its apparent as the movie progresses and you feel nothing for the hero or the villain other than laughter on yet another to stupid movie to watch. A perfect example is a Steven Segal movie. "Godzilla: King of the Monsters" also fits, to stupid to watch without laughing and wondering what kind of joke are they playing and who is the intended audience? Im not actively analyzing small misses here and there but when huge logical misses occur frequently and it seems like the script is written by either a toddler or a very low IQ person technically mentally handicapped its time to stop watching. Same goes to the movie Gravity which is like a cancer to the brain if you ever so slightly understand orbital mechanics and basic Newtonian physics its apparent that the only thing important is action action action and nice CG effects because everything else is so ridiculously stupid it gives me a headache.

@@martindahl7880 Lol you literally did throw tantrum about wrong assumption, what I ment is that they give him too long screen time for such a pointless death, with that screen time they could really give some nice twist at the end and not just, hurr durr you were killed by host that is copy of you, they put him into "im gonna save the world" on the start of the episode buildup and threw him off the cliff as soon as he finds his copy after end of the episode... He did have a brilliant character development this season, that being acceptance and redemption arc with his own way of seeing of what is correct but they just ended it needlessly, for such a "bad" death they didnt even need to give him so much screen time overall.

@@martindahl7880 He gets killed by a copy of himself? That sums up Westworld quite well now, just a copy and paste of better ideas executed worse than better sci fi franchises. Meave just Neo's everything Dolores can beat up even Stubs who is supposed to be a security guard.............not much left of Bernard. William gone, Nobody ever gave a shit about Charlotte who is now also Doloros.................so that's two's mehs for the price of who gives a shit.