Wet FX // Before or After Amps??

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One of the most asked questions I see on forums across the web is: Should I put my delay and reverb BEFORE or AFTER my amps?
So I put together this simple video to illustrate the tonal differences between the two options. Enjoy!
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00:00 Is one BETTER?
01:10 Gear I'm Using
01:55 Lambertones V90 & Red Eye
02:21 Loop Reordering
03:01 Sound Example 1
04:53 What Are The Differences? Pt. 1
07:04 Sound Example 2
07:36 What Are The Differences? Pt. 2
08:42 Sound Example 3
09:07 What Are The Differences? Pt. 3
09:28 Sound Example 4 - Clean
10:05 What Are The Differences? Pt. 4
10:24 Sound Example 5
10:55 What Are The Differences? Pt. 5
12:05 My Favorite Method...with a caveat
13:06 Pick For Yourself
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@Joe.Shmo.Eskimo Месяц назад

Two Big Sky's is the most praise and worship thing I've ever seen

@thetoneshepherd Месяц назад

Hahaha...it's actually temporary as I transfer everything over to the MX.

@SamWittek Месяц назад

Great video Devan! Wet fx into the amps 4 lyf 🤘🏻

@thetoneshepherd Месяц назад

SAAAME!

@jacobpittman1996 Месяц назад

Thank you for your work on this video and sharing your preference. Something to consider. Peace.

@thetoneshepherd Месяц назад

You got it!

@kurtdrumheller8048 Месяц назад

Excellent video ! I really appreciate the detailed deep dive exploration and commentary. Thank you ! ✝️🎵

@thetoneshepherd Месяц назад

Glad it was helpful!

@seanbatterberry Месяц назад

Another great video, Devan! Everything into the front of the amps has always been my preference 🤘

@thetoneshepherd Месяц назад

Right on Sean! Thanks for the kinds words.

@blueberrysalt6788 Месяц назад

Super excited for the upcoming modeler comparison video on the tonex and QC!

@thetoneshepherd Месяц назад

Coming soon!

@Jacob-n-Matt Месяц назад

Super nice hearing that comparison back to back! I love using both at the same time so you get some of the richness and breakup pre-amp and the sleekness and width post-amp

@thetoneshepherd Месяц назад

That's a great option too. I set it up that way in my QC preset

@bobbywaldschmidt6825 Месяц назад

Good stuff brother! Thank you!

@thetoneshepherd Месяц назад

You bet

@eldadmendez Месяц назад

Great video Devan! This was exactly what I was looking for! I have been using wet effects after amps for quite a while and I guess I am very used to! And this mainly because I can freely blend whatever amps I am using in my ToneX with out loosing the fully stereo capabilities… now, I am really considering in rewiring my pedalboard and throwing wet effects before amps! Thanks man! I really enjoyed the video!

@thetoneshepherd Месяц назад

Awesome my friend! Yeah, I forgot to mention one of the biggest reasons someone may choose to run wet effects after is if they're using just one mono amp and still want stereo effects.

@nojyeloot 23 дня назад

Great stuff man!

@thetoneshepherd 23 дня назад

Appreciate it!

@AndyFerdean Месяц назад

Wet before the Amps! Great video!

@thetoneshepherd Месяц назад

Boom!

@BlackKeys_36 Месяц назад

Thanks for the video. I used my HX Stomp and played around with where to put my wet FX during a recent pedalboard build and I found that my personal favorite was a third option...between the amp and the cab (similar to having it in the FX loop of an amp...I think). I have all wet in the FX loop of the HX Stomp and have the amp model before the FX loop and the cab after or in my OX Stomp after leaving the HXs. In your sound samples I definitely liked the FX before the amp. Thanks again!

@thetoneshepherd Месяц назад

Yep, lots of cool ways to do it!

@saulhernandez8787 Месяц назад

phenomenal brother

@thetoneshepherd Месяц назад

Thanks Saul!

@Packett1364 Месяц назад

Amazing video again! I’ve always been pro effects straight into the front of the amps. It’s just my favorite way to sound HUGE. I get that guys with studio ears would likely want effects after amps though as it’s probably easier to manage in a DAW and studio mixing environment.

@thetoneshepherd Месяц назад

Yep, same!!

@ZachBrobstMusic Месяц назад

Dope video dude! I personally prefer amps and then wet effects since I typically want my amp to shine and then have all of my dry and wet effects to compliment the amp and I feel this allows me the best chance to do so!

@thetoneshepherd Месяц назад

Thanks bro!! Yeah I get this. Definitely no "right" or "wrong" here.

@felixortiz9330 14 дней назад

Let me be clear…they both have their place. For ME, I’ve been playing with with wet effects after the amps but the sound I am after (and have been unable to) is with the wet effects BEFORE the amp. That “smushed” all integrated sound that has eluded me for so long is the tone that I want! I just got two Tonex one and I am about to rewire my board with the wet effects before them amps! Thank you for the video!!

@thetoneshepherd 14 дней назад

That's great my friend! Yeah that "smushed" sound is pretty great for certain moments. Have fun! 🤙🏼

@masonperkinsmusic Месяц назад

I was thinking about this very question the day this video came out. I pulled up RU-vid and this was the first video that popped up without even searching. I’m probably going with wet fx before my tonex one and figure out the gain staging for the cleanest sound. Thanks for your videos.

@masonperkinsmusic Месяц назад

To clarify, I was thinking about this because I had just got my first amp modeling pedal and Bigsky. Loving the directing I’m heading with my guitar tone. And your videos are a big help this process.

@thetoneshepherd Месяц назад

So rad man! Glad this was helpful!!

@TR-xb4ih Месяц назад

would love to see a video on how you set up your RJM. the way you have it configured right now is something i’d like to do for mine, and i’m sure a lot of others would enjoy as well. you’ve set it up to its full potential!

@thetoneshepherd Месяц назад

Working on it!

@MattLawrence3 Месяц назад

That board keeps evolving!! I think an updated rig run down is in order!!! Would love to see use on the Microcosm !

@thetoneshepherd Месяц назад

That's the plan!

@leadworshipftc5914 Месяц назад

In my case, I am using Headrush Gigboard. I like it when my wet effects are in front of my amps It has more clarity and much more dynamic. Great video brother. Love it

@thetoneshepherd Месяц назад

Rad! Yeah I like wet before as well!

@kurisuaki Месяц назад

Just rewired my board with wet fx before the amp after watching your pedalboard video. Was just wondering when a video on "before or after" would come out :)

@thetoneshepherd Месяц назад

Sweeeeeet!! Hope you're enjoying it!

@GettinBetterWithDave 13 дней назад

Great video, man! I was a wet FX intro amp solution guy for a long time but I git the Dream 65 and could not get my big verbs to not clip. It just did not sound right. so I moved the dream to go before wet FX and now I think I prefer that sound. Just got a ToneX one and plan to try it both ways.

@thetoneshepherd 13 дней назад

Yeah I totally get that! Every amp modeler is different and I, too, found the Ruby/Dream combo to not take wet Fx as well as the ToneX does so definitely play with the order again once you get those!

@parkerjeverett 16 дней назад

I think wet FX after the amps are great for when you're creating a bed or kind of a space. So my main verbs and delays are before my amps, and then I love to have my super wet swelly/ambient FX after. Makes for some really unique tonal capabilities!

@thetoneshepherd 14 дней назад

Love this! And it's so great to have that kind of flexibility in the modeling world.

@Musickbox8 Месяц назад

I use both approaches. I also run wet effects after the preamp and/or before drives (usually short delays and reverbs).

@thetoneshepherd Месяц назад

Nice. There are so many fun ways to try out

@bradensheasby5090 Месяц назад

Great video! Love the insight! Personally, I actually like to put my delays before my amps and reverbs after. I feel like in that configuration, the delays maintain a bit more clarity, and reverbs can really open up and feel more full. I run stereo tonex pedals as well and love your captures!

@thetoneshepherd Месяц назад

Great idea Braden!!

@houseofjesseworship Месяц назад

Never really heard the different too much until those comparisons. After is much cleaner, but Before gives it that gritty mushy tone. Both are very nice.

@thetoneshepherd Месяц назад

For sure. It helps to hear them back to back for sure. And each have their place

@chuckjcarter Месяц назад

I like my reverbs and delays after the amp. What really helps adjustment to either choice is having a blend knob or separate wet and dry level knobs on your pedals/units. But that's typically only a premium pedal option.

@thetoneshepherd Месяц назад

Yeah there are some rad ways to do parallel routing too. I've been wanting to try the Jet Pedals Red Sea to play with doing a parallel blend of delay and reverb.

@chuckjcarter Месяц назад

@@thetoneshepherd that'll be a very good video Idea to do! I'd watch.

@itieknots7 Месяц назад

I'm in the WET FXs BEFORE amps. I like the extra grit/chewiness they have. Also an easier setup 😅.

@thetoneshepherd Месяц назад

100%. I'm with ya!

@peterjessop1878 Месяц назад

One of the reasons I stopped using a full blown pedalboard is because I prefer running modulation, overdrive etc pre amp and delay and reverb post amp. Normally delay and reverb are on separate parallel paths with the dry signal for clarity. One way I can do this with Tonex or other pedal amp is by using a midi controller and a pedal drawer in a 19 inch rack with a line mixer. Alternatively Full sized Helix or Axe Fx gets the job done whether you use the internal amps or Tonex, as the modeller can act as a mixer. The downside of this approach is the lack of on the fly control though . 4 cable method with a pedal switcher that can mix in parallel sort of gets there but not as good and there is more to go wrong due to extra cables. As you say there is no right or wrong answer it’s just what works for you and the music you are playing.

@thetoneshepherd Месяц назад

So many fun options!

@joelmccreight 29 дней назад

Great video. The issue hear is that you are not running edge of breakup. You are running at breakup. In my opinion you would get a better tone if you dialed your amps back and ran you r wet effects before and used a drive pedal to get your breakup

@thetoneshepherd 29 дней назад

Hey Joel, I’m running things exactly as you describe. My clean tone is pretty clean. Any drive you hear is from one of my overdrive pedals.

@DeloreanDave Месяц назад

People forget a KEY factor here is whether or not you use amp distortion. Some people use amps as a clean platform and putting wet fx before amp but after overdrives works. However, a lot of players use tube amp distortion and not OD pedals. So when using a gain channel on amp it will usually sound way better with wet fx in loop i.e after your amp distortion :)

@The_fuzz_buzz Месяц назад

I’ve recently been running my amps way hotter, and actually prefer the wets into them even more. I love the breakup on the wets, so that’s a big factor too. I used to not like that sound, but it’s because I was running them into modelers that didn’t take it well. On real amps, and when I switched to ToneX’s, it was so much more musical, even with running the amps hotter.

@thetoneshepherd Месяц назад

Agreed, I missed this point in my video. When using high gain amps I imagine it's usually preferred to use wet effects after. I don't use much amp gain at all so it slipped my mind.

@DeloreanDave Месяц назад

@@thetoneshepherd Yeah all good man! Just thought it was worth mentioning from someone who relied on amp distortion for 20 years and who has recently experimented with the whole clean platform idea :) Deffo something people should take in to account if using high gain stuff!

@jacobpittman1996 Месяц назад

I got in the habit of using the effects loop for wet effects, because I played through channel switching amps. I actually used both channels, getting the preamp tube saturation for my drive sound (plus a drive pedal for another level on either channel). I am experimenting with various setups these days. Good discussion here.

@fishmank27 Месяц назад

It all depends on the style of music really. For worship wet fx before an edge of breakup amp is just THE sound. Now a part in a song or a certain song may dictate I run them post amp, I.e. Lincoln Brewster type stuff. Awesome room, looks great

@Enoe24 Месяц назад

Need you to release your MX presets!

@thetoneshepherd Месяц назад

Working on it!

@Samuel.Lane32 Месяц назад

I might be missing the mark but isn't your board set up for wet effects into amps primarily so it is going to sound a lot different when switching the order not set up for wet effecrs after amps. I run wet effects after amps and i have completely changed the way i have set up those effects like increased mix, repeats just different settings even different settings on amps and ODs compared to if i was running wet effects before amps. Your wet effects sounded glorious before your amps but that is the way you have it set up. It could sound very different if you set up your effects to run after amps primarily. 😊

@rdennisdom Месяц назад

Like this! not the same settings, but the same efforts for both setup.

@thetoneshepherd Месяц назад

You're not wrong. And I mentioned that somewhere in the video. If I were to set up my board with post-amp fx in mind, I would have set them up different. I would also have set up my drives and amps differently.

@thetoneshepherd Месяц назад

Correct

@miguelalbino9400 Месяц назад

I’ve tried both. When setting them after the amps, I make sure I turn up the mix for the FX a little. The outcome is glorious. I feel a cleaner and more defined sound. Especially in the mix with other instruments

@Samuel.Lane32 Месяц назад

@@miguelalbino9400 yeah I agree, it sounds amazing, especially with digital amp modellers.

@michaeldrawdy22 Месяц назад

If I did the amps then wet effects using my hx stomp would I come out of the outputs or fx loops

@thetoneshepherd Месяц назад

Either would work honestly. But I’ve heard scattered reports the FX loop isn’t the greatest on the Stomp. But I don’t have personal experience.

@marshallcarr Месяц назад

I think Wet after amps sounds more refined and less of a noise wall.

@thetoneshepherd Месяц назад

It's definitely more refined. Won't argue with that!

@rogersolano2323 Месяц назад

Correct me if I’m wrong but I believe it all depends on the music genre or style ? I would use fx after amps if I’m playing something like metal, hard rock but for ccm I would definitely do fx before amps it just sounds more fuller and wide

@thetoneshepherd Месяц назад

Yep! I believe I say that up front. It definitely depends on the style and tonal preference. But I did forget to specifically mention that if using high gain amps it’s almost always better to put wet effects after as you said 🤙🏼

@Kunnel87 Месяц назад

I used the wet fx always after tube amp distortion. But since i have the UAFX Lion "on the edge of breakup tone“ in the Loop in the HX Stomp. I noticed that my delay sound very ugly to me. I have searched for a while if the cables are right, or the Trim input or something else. But than i put delay before the Lion and now the sound is how it should be.

@thetoneshepherd Месяц назад

Ahhh interesting! I feel like every amp is different

@mSarimaa Месяц назад

@Kunnel87 if your delay is from the stomp, check the control labeled Headroom on the delay block. Might be that when the delay was after the amp the amp boosted the signal so much the delay itself started distorting. Up it to max (+12dB) and the sound should be much cleaner. Then of course check whether or not you like it before or after. 👍🏻

@thirus8312 23 дня назад

If I put amp before dly+reverb will I still get that broken up sound from my reverbs? Cause as of now I only have one Tonex One and I do want stereo reverbs and delays, so will I still be able to get that sort of sound? Edit: Lets say I turn up the mix on my reverbs, can it get that stormy sort of sound?

@thetoneshepherd 23 дня назад

It won't ever really be that "stormy" sound because there's nothing to distort the reverb and delay. That's what causes that sound. But it can still sound good! So don't be discouraged if you have to run your wet effects after your amp.

@MattJeon1223 Месяц назад

Do you not use pog2 anymore? Or using H90’s octave algorithm?

@thetoneshepherd Месяц назад

I do still have the POG2, it’s under my riser. That being said, I do use the octave on the H90 and bit and don’t mind it

@scorchedearth3825 Месяц назад

I run my effects slightly differently, I have a wdw setup and my wet amps have delay running before but reverb after the amps

@thetoneshepherd Месяц назад

Sounds fun!

@noahhailey5 Месяц назад

Ok kind of learning about all this stuff still but I had a thought. I want to retain the clarity in the delay but I like the “dirt” or whatever from the verb going into the amp. Would it sound ok if I ran the reverb into the amp and ran the delay after the amp? I’m using a hx stomp for wet fx and amps

@thetoneshepherd Месяц назад

You can try anything! But I think most would do the opposite--delay into the amp so you'll still get a little of that storm going on, and then reverb after. But heck, try it!

@poloney3362 8 дней назад

Hi everyone, so completely new to pedal boards as amps. Do you go into DI boxes at all at home or are you going out of the board vi XLR into and iterface ( also which interface lol) Then di you primarily play through monitors or how do you setup a home ‘studio’? Also on the recording side what program do you use for the stream side? Looking at recording at home on my side. Last Q for now, when playing at church whats the output from your board to the house? So stereo do you treat it as two instruments in the mixer pa side right? Sorry for all the techie stuff but i need to do a mobile setup also for church :)

@thetoneshepherd 7 дней назад

At home/studio I use a DI box (actually a DISO+ line isolator from Pinstripe pedals...much better than a standard DI for guitar modelers). And then, yes, I go XLR out to my interface (Apollo x8p...but you don't need anything that fancy...a Scarlett 6i6 or similar would work). I use Logic Pro for recording. And when you send your signal to the house you send them two XLRs and they pan them hard L and R.

@poloney3362 7 дней назад

@@thetoneshepherd thanks bud, makes a bit more sense after that, i must say out of all the modelers ive tried or owned the tonex is just phenomenal price wise even if you factor in a extra di box that doubles as a safety for the pedal board

@WiliamShattner День назад

Any videos or presets on the h90 yet?

@thetoneshepherd День назад

Close!

@ryanpappenfuss Месяц назад

I go wet effects after amps, only since I switched to modelers. I’m all in on the line 6 eco system and I’ve got everything dialed in post amps and am happy with it. I do like the sound of wet fx in front of the amps but at this point I’ve put so much time in to dialing them in post amps I don’t want that to be in vain 😂

@thetoneshepherd Месяц назад

I TOTALLY get this! I found the Helix to be better with wet after as well. Same with the QC and in some cases with the FM9 as well.

@ryanpappenfuss Месяц назад

@@thetoneshepherd I’m considering building a second board soonish with a tonex one for amps. If so will probably go wet fx in front - as well as purchasing some tone shepherd captures!! 👍🏼

@thetoneshepherd Месяц назад

Ooooo sweeet!! Let me know how that goes!

@rhoydotp Месяц назад

Analog BBD-type delays into an amp set to breakup is what I prefer.

@thetoneshepherd Месяц назад

Sounds delicious!

@2speedy4u22 Месяц назад

Where’s your hat? Great video. Thanks for sharing!

@thetoneshepherd Месяц назад

I had to preach on Sunday so had to cut my hair HAHA

@scottconyers5368 Месяц назад

This board is so overkill… and I love it

@thetoneshepherd Месяц назад

I get it 😂

@steveclark9934 Месяц назад

Why not try both at the same time? I think I'm going to give that a shot today using two of the same effect with identical settings and one placed before and one placed after the amp and see what it sounds like hell it could be good.😮

@thetoneshepherd Месяц назад

I do this on the FM9 and Quad Cortex! It works for certain parts!

@steveclark9934 Месяц назад

@@thetoneshepherd Right on thanks.

@butchr7 Месяц назад

Over all it was a bigger sound with the wet fx in front of the amp. I always prefer the amp to be that last thing before the board.

@thetoneshepherd Месяц назад

Agreed!

@jeandavidable Месяц назад

Look like benson went first stage? Which preamp first not prickly pearl ?

@thetoneshepherd Месяц назад

Here are my stages: 1st (Daily Driver) | 2nd (Benson Preamp) | 3rd (Aspen) | 4th (Focus Fuzz). Then I use two boosts (Prickly Pear and Benson Ger. Boost) after all my drives to push the amps harder if needed.

@jeandavidable Месяц назад

@@thetoneshepherd you don’t have a preamp before all you drives any more ?

@thetoneshepherd Месяц назад

I used to have the secret preamp after all my drives but I’ve since removed that pedal for space reasons. But I plan on putting it back soon.

@jeandavidable Месяц назад

@@thetoneshepherd after and not before .. ! An always on ! You surprised me all the time, I ordered the prickly pearl I might try also after ! I thought it’s only for boosting volume best?

@thetoneshepherd Месяц назад

There are a lot of different ways to use a preamp. You can use the PP first and it’s great for that too. But the Chase Tone Secret Preamp in particular is really meant to go as far back in the signal chain as possible.

@MattJeon1223 5 дней назад

If you can, can you also add preset for H90 on your website? I would like to purchase it it possible.

@thetoneshepherd 3 дня назад

I will soon!

@MattJeon1223 2 дня назад

@@thetoneshepherd Great! 👍 I really liked your strymon presets too that I recently purchased. Great work.

@thetoneshepherd 9 часов назад

Thanks a lot Matt!