@@dairymilkwholenut7010 It is their choice, but it's a choice that only seems worthwhile because of the incentives the system provides. If they wanna be top pitchers they have to throw hard, as things stand. I'm not sure if there's a good way to change those incentives without making things worse for baseball -- but it has been done in other sports. F1s halo was initially hated by drivers and fans alike, but it has already saved lives, and no one seems to be complaining at all.
@@dairymilkwholenut7010Is it? If you're an elite pitcher as a teenager have to try to go pro unless all that work went to waste. If you're already a pro you have to keep up with the fastest pitchers so you still get paid. Their "choice" is basically "destroy your arm or lose your livelihood"
@@shepardice3775 Yeah a lot of the fault lies with scouts who only look for velo. When there's plenty of pitchers who prove that velo isn't everything.
why do we never talk about the hardest pull down. Trevor Bauer did one at 112, but how hard could someone throw on a pull down if they had 100% efficiency?
The obsession with velo isn't just hurting players, it's hurting the game. The era of pitch counts has come about in response to player injuries. Complete games are already a thing of the past.
Even if your UCL was strong another portion of your body would give out before 125 mph. Scap, bicep, tricep, forearm, and other posterior decelerators would give out or fail first
it's not unnatural, if your mechanics are right. some guys have bad mechanics that never get corrected, or that they refuse to correct, and sooner or later your body is gonna let you know what it thinks. if you throw properly, and according to your body, you can have a long lifespan, zack greinke, and bartolo colon are both pitchers that lasted a really long time because they threw according to their body.
@@devonesq.7533 Bartolo Colon and Zack Greinke are really poor examples of the potential damage the chase for pitch velocity will cause. Greinkes fastball never averaged above 95. Colon’s didn’t either, and although he had a higher ceiling velocity than Greinke (sometimes throwing 98-100), he was primarily a sinker ball pitcher, only throwing a 4 seam approx. 25% of the time. The chase for velocity will really impact the bullpen guys who are brought in to t chuck 7 fastballs over 100+ in an inning, guys like Mason Miller. The amount of TJ surgeries has gone up precipitously as average velocity has increased. The amount of TJ has also gone up as mechanics have gotten better, since the introduction of high speed cameras and computer modeling. Greinke and Colons mechanics were good for longevity, but not for velocity, and velocity is what is currently valued in MLB. Greinke and Colon have nothing to do with the “bad mechanics” causing the current injury bug for pitchers.
@@mkr4646 the example was, that you can have a really successful career without throwing max effort 100% of the time. the most successful pitchers are able to mess up a batters timing, it doesn't matter if you can throw 105mph if that's the only tool in your arsenal. however i do agree with the point about relief pitchers, as their worth is purely based off their max velo, because they usually don't have 100+ games worth of stats to analyze.
Really interesting. I read a book called "Faster Higher Stronger" some years ago which hinted at the 110 mph you mentioned though I think they said 111. (They covered a number of Records in various Sports and what the most possible was.) You mentioned 250 lb in your discussion of 110 mph and I think that was part of the reason, some of what they did focused on the size and strength of the picture also and obviously not a lot of hurlers are going to be 250 unless they are Randy Johnson's height. I would think that the ligaments would naturally be stronger on a larger person, although you are right that there is still a natural limit to that.
its scary how we could do all of this without any adrenaline and if we had stronger bones. i think we can throw much faster than 125 however were far from the proper evolution of our bodies to handle this force i think we must train the body much more especially before we can go to space
and if the title is how fast can a human throw a baseball, you never said "pitch" a baseball, then elly holds the official record because he threw one across the diamond at like 107,108 way faster than chapman
the better pitchers get the less baseball you will see, which is hilarious for something that COULD NOT ALREADY BE MORE BORING if it tried. baseball is a snoozefest hahah
it doesn't matter how good pitchers get, batters will adjust. that's why baseball is so interesting, because you can be playing at your limit, and still get beat out. a guy could throw a baseball 120mph down the plate everytime, but eventually a guy is gonna hit it.
