I live in Alberta and I’m all in on this one. It’s time for us to start distancing ourselves from Ottawa we are being trampled in this province and it’s time to stop this BS now
@@JamesBond-su7hj yes but why does alberta have to give Quebec equalization payments up to 14 billion EVERY FKN YEAR!…if you think alberta cannot survive without Canada you are badly mistaken!…that 20 billion that we give to eastern Canada every year says we DONT NEED YOU …YOU NEED US TO SURVIVE!
@@dianedyck3474Quebec always had subsidies longer than any other province. They had cheaper childcare rates longer than any other province. Second if a province wants to leave Canada then go ahead. It’s up to that province to create there own currency, their own health care, and other necessities to help people live in that province will be on there own So essentially that province would collapse. Take a look at Quebec many years ago when they tried to separate all the big banks and big companies moved to Toronto because they don’t want to take that chance and suffer consequences.
@@demetriuskoitsopoulos8672 well we have oil and we won’t collapse but Canada will not have the lifestyle the eastern elites have become accustomed to…Quebec will suffer the mist …no more equaluzation for all those first you have now!
@dianelowe7877 I mutually respect you too, I’m 28 and never met a person from East Canada in person who has showed anything but vitriol or disrespect for my homeland. I appreciate this.
Sure, they could leave and do it on their own. But if they think they can take OVER half of all other provinces assets in the fund - good fucking luck! In other words, it's not going to happen. Alberta knows this. So they are posturing for some other ASK from the rest of the country, or in other words, from the federal government.
So, you admire liars, eh? Don't forget during the last election, she said she would NOT touch pensions. She said it at a time when this LifeWorks company was being paid to write this fantasy report. She is a liar and is pandering to a group of people who are uneducated mouth breathers.
Pppffffttttt........bunch of babies in Alberta! Alberta was in a recession before Trudeau, but have NO problem blaming Trudeau for ALL their ills....freaking joke!
Don't sound so pouty all the time. To me the 'general feeling of unfairness' tells me that they just want to be mad tell me Albertan to Albertan what you are mad about and don''t say transfer payments, I am sick of it.
It's about time there was a leader that's not afraid to start taking this joke of a country apart! Smith is that leader! As Alberta continues to gain strength, even against the will and policies of the clown show (aka the governing liberals and the PM Justine) it is becoming clearer that the ROC needs Alberta and it's revenues more than Alberta needs the ROC! Keep up the great work Premier Smith!
if you think our country is a joke why don't you leave, go to China or Russia or North Korea see if you have a better life there!!! The only joke is you thinking some pigs are more important then the rest of the animals on the farm...if you don't know what that means get educated!
Freeland is opposed to Alberta's exit from CPP at least partly on the "CPP is one of Canada's crown jewels" sentiment. Freeland's opposition is a definite plus for exit.
Alberta is the worlds biggest producer of canola, the third biggest producer of grain, the biggest producer of peas, our oil fields are the worlds safest and most environmentally friendly and we have recently become aware of a lake of lithium under that oil. Alberta would thrive if it were not for the Government PARASITES.
@@virginiamargaretjean2239and if we can get Saskatchewan to join us, we'd be also talking massive amounts of potash, uranium, and the other half of the breadbasket of Canada.
Quebec never joined in the beginning, and when Kenney first brought this idea forward they weren't saying no, they were saying how the hell do they want to do this? Looking over Quebec's shoulder and seeing the cook gave them a little extra broccoli will get us no where fast. As yourself what will benefit Alberta.
Why was it done that way? I am presuming, of course, that you checked to see if you were receiving the funds that you earned in Quebec. If not you might have a very merry Xmas this year if you start making some snotty phone calls.@@Zack_Crane
Try thinking about something else for a while. Your 'we' is not all of us. I was talking to a very intelligent man one day and he figured you might get about a third of the province, if you got that.
The key is to invite all commies and other oxygen wasters to find an ocean and peacefully swim away. I reccomend a Northern Ocean. I'm sure Hudson's Bay is lovely this time of year. Alternatively, patriotic Albertans could just arrest the commies and oxygen wasters for treason and sentence them to summary capital punishment. @@evasartorius9528
Speak for yourself, mate. I love it in Alberta, and most of us want nothing more than Alberta to remain a part of a whole Canada. It doesn't help when you have separatist nutjobs like our premier inventive nonsensical narratives so she can pretend to be queen of her own country. Alberta is not a country. It is a province of one and shall remain so.
They are only a contributor because of the resources. If they leave they won’t be allow to keep what makes them rich. They are stupid if they think that’s the case. They will be a land locked poor country dependent on the rest of Canada.
Separate pension, separate official language act, separate schools ensign, separate tax facility. This report highlights once more that the laurentians of Canada are more dedicated to exploiting western Canada than doing anything close to telling the truth or doing reconciliation on what they’ve done to us and our native Americans. Even if we get less than 10% of the CPP contributions back I’d rather leave and take the hit and begin the path away from exploitation, domination, and coercion.
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hahahahaha.......ONLY an idiot would trust Smith with this! Alberta should start it's own APP, but the people who've already paid into CPP, will have a split pension based on contributions to both!
probably the same place as yours if you live in Alberta and think this is a bad idea, I know math isn't a strong suite for you liberal / NDP voters though, I feel for ya @@billybobbocephus2177
@@billybobbocephus2177 Ignore the paid for Conservative War room aliases spreading fud on the forums here . Their job is to convince Albertans with a method used like Cambridge Analytica... Consider that a 60% Foreign owned oil industry that is struggling and needs an injection of funds. where to better get those funds then stealing it from the CPP. Albertans will watch their existing pension they already have (just moved) get invested in an industry that is slowly dying as The EU Banks, Norway's central bank, and Sweden's central bank have all bailed on investing. Consider the timing of all this D. Smith talk as the guide lines for fossil fuel subsidies restrictions start at the end of 2024-25. And all this ugly rhetoric regarding separatism in trying to involve BC joining Alberta to leave. well that's because LNG is also affected. I'm hoping Canadians are smart enough (with out getting a lobotomy) to see through the bullshit that is trying to rip our Country apart.
I WOULD DO EXACTLY WHAT ALBERTA IS DOING CAUSE I HAVE NO TRUST IN OTTAWA . ALBERTA NEEDS TO PROTECT ITSELF FROM OTTAWA AND SO DOES OTHER PROVINCECES . TIME TO MOVE BUSINESS TO ALBERTA
WHEN YOU TYPE IN LARGE LETTERS IT SEEMS LIKE YOU ARE THROWING A TANTRUM. WERE YOU AROUND WHEN LOUGHEED TURNED OFF THE OIL TAPS IN 1980? TRUDEAUS DAD WAS TRYING TO MAKE CANADA OIL INDEPENDENT (kind of what albertan are screaming for now ironically). SEE-NATIONAL ENERGY PROGRAM. LOUGHEED AND BIG OIL WOULDNT GIVE A LARGER CUT OF THE PIE AS ASKED SO LOUGHEED BANKRUPTED THE PROVINCE BY SHUTTING DOWN OIL. MY FRIENDS PARENTS LOST THEIR HOME AND THEY NAMED A MOUNTAIN AFTER LOUGHEED FOR BEING A PIG HEADED BABY. IM NOT SURE WHO IS STUPIDER HERE IN 2024
As an ontarian I am worried about this however, if we had been abused like Ottawa has abused Alberta I could understand why they want out. Ottawa has refused to recognize how important the west is to our country but bends over backward to appease Quebec. I think Alberta leaving is a terrible outcome but completely understandable given the trudeau families hatred toward them and Ottawa's willingness to mistreat them.😮
They block 90% of beneficial pipeline projects to move gas from western Canada to the world attacks on farmers using fertilizer you are living in a bubble K
What???? Alberta thinks it's entitled to HALF of what's in CPP.....personally, I wish they'd leave Canada altogether. The _REAL_ engine of Canada is Ontario. Alberta has 1/3 the population of Ontario...do the math(not even counting Qweebec here), how much have they contributed to the entire pot,& why o why do they think they deserve HALF???!!! They came to Ottawa, organizing the Freedumb Convoy, wreak all kinds of havoc to the citizens of Ottawa, then crawl back to their sand dunes and claim victimhood. I got no use for the Alberta mindset. They should lobby to become the 51st state. Northern Texans they be indeed. _They,_ need Ontario, not the other way around. Ontario is a very powerful economy, plenty of industry, we're almost a mini-country on our own. We need Alberta like we need another round of Trudeau in office. I even read about somebody from Calgary complaining how Ontarians, moving there, are making it like Toronto, lol... driving too crazy for that person, lol...saying 'wait until winter'.....??? like Toronto doesn't get snow..... Albertans have the presence of mind like a Trump supporter, lol
While I agree with you about the payments, sadly, it is set up in a statute law- and it will take 7 years to get it changed. We can't get a government to hold a policy for 7 years federally so they are pretty secure that we can't make that happen. What eastern Canada is not interesting in hearing is that you can't get blood from a stone- no gas money means no payments to Ottawa.
Will that attitude continue in 20-30 years when fossil fuels are basically done? The equalization payments out of AB are already declining. They may even turn positive into AB someday.
I' m "Quebecoise" and I totally understand and approve the separation of Alberta, even though it would financially hurt other provinces. You should go ahead if it is the wish of most Albertans. That would make the rest of Canada crumble. And I think it has to crumble down to be rebuilt on a better founding base.
What a dumb shi** idea. Canada is stronger as a whole then a bunch of scrabbling teeny little regions who each have to make their own trade deals with the world. I can't believe I live in a country with so many selfish, mindless people.
Alberta is obviously positioning itself for separation, and not only in this regard but also with the takeover of RCMP operations within the province, and there's sure to be more.
It is absolutely not, separating into a new country is a significant undertaking, and Alberta absolutely does not have what it takes to do that. This is just Alberta being mad their biggest and only industry is dying. 30 years from now when OnG is dead, Albertans would be happy they can rely on CPP contributions of other provinces. Unless this stupid bill passes.
@@xylo5750 Lol, unfortunately if Alberta's economy suffers so does the rest of Canada on the whole. Price of a barrel of Oil vs CAD$, it's all related.
@@xylo5750 Who says we'd want to be a separate country? We could join the US as the 51st state. Good luck trying to get us back then with the US military on our side.
Well, I see that many Albertans feel and react today like many Quebecers did 50-60 years ago! Go for it Alberta, you deserve better and I'm sure many Québécois will support you in this
Well THAT is odd. Poll Albertans and many will say Quebec in particular and Central Canada in general, not to mention native son Trudeau, is WHY they would want to leave in the first place. They are complaining about the likes of equalization and Federal transfer payments in the preceding string of comments. Quebec is the Province that sucks up most of BOTH. In 2023-24, the Government of Quebec will receive $28.7 billion through major transfers. Equalization to Quebec is $14 billion for the year out of a total equalization payments $23.9 billion for the entire country (i.e. Quebec gets 60% of the total). Transfers to Alberta in comparison will total $7.7 billion with $0 in Equalization. The other provinces getting Equalization are MAN, ON, NB, NS, PEI.
@@KOZMOuvBORG I don’t disagree. And so many comments here are based on ignorance of the system and how it actually works. And the potential implications of opting out of confederation. And so it goes…
Were you outside much last summer? The air still hasn't cleaned out. Someone has to take control of this mess. It is inter provincial and the AB government simply does not want to. So you have any idea how another summer like the last one will affect the cost of health care? Not to mention insurance premiums. Or would you rather be like Florida when insurance companies are refusing to honor hurricane damage. Ms Smith is not governing for Albertans she is governing against Ottawa and can''t fit her head around the greater good.
@@evasartorius9528 Have you recognized the fact wild fires are a natural thing? By not allowing the ground fuel to burn off regularly, it causes the major fires.
Have you recognized how snotty and condescending you are? Any idiot cansay the wildfires are a part of the cycle of regeneration.@@PlayingWithFireOutdoors
You are trying to preach about something you have very little understanding of. I have lived up here all my nearly 70 years. What you are missing with your snotty condescension is that where there is more than just miles and miles of more miles and miles are people's homes and livelihoods. Thousands of homes were destroyed, people were seriously injured and the number of timber berths that went up in smoke will put a lot of people in the logging industry out of work. for many years to come. If you are going to harvest the burned over bush you have to get it the first year or some kind of bug gets in there and starts to eat it.There are likely more people employed in forestry than there are in the oil fields -or were.The farmers whose live stock went...somewhere. Homes in settlement so far back in the bush that I am pretty sure you will never get there. People who have been here for hundreds of generations and people like mine who homesteaded here around the turn of the last century. I have no problem with controlled burns as part of a regular routine. I do however have a problem half the province going up in smoke as it has been on a much more regular basis lately. And a fire doesn't do that great a job of cleaning up the forest floor. The burned trees dry out and fall over, The canopy opens up and more sunlight gets in encouraging grass and shrubs which will catch fire more easily in spring before every thing greens up. To sum it up have you or will you recognize that there is more than one dynamic at work here. When it gets hot earlier and the snow cover disappears earlier and nothing has leafed out yet you are going to get more fires that are not 'natural'. You are just trying to hang the word 'natural' on a dangerous phenom so that you can ignore good reason for green energy. Lecturing me won't make you any wiser. Do some serious studying and maybe get a job in forestry.@@PlayingWithFireOutdoors
Not me. The UCP is pretty sloppy with the governance. Smith actually told that one guy that the CPP fund didn''t need all that paper work done on it and every cent accounted for because we were going to get so much.
She is a bitter and Albertans deserve her. Leave, Canada don’t need a right wing province and green energy is coming. Alberta is so short sighted. Wait till oil is below $45 or $50.
The more autonomous Alberta and Saskatchewan can become, the better off we’ll be. We simply do not share values with eastern Canada as we once did in the past. Irreconcilable differences, divorce time.
It would help us here in Eastern Canada as well. Because we get handouts every year, our governments refuse to do business deals. We could make much more money than we would get with Alberta handouts.
There are PLENTY of Albertans like me who feel more Canadian than they feel Albertan. You should get off the farm every once in a while. Unfortunately, we have had many politicians who rage farm the idea that poor old wealthy, closed minded Alberta has been dealt a bad hand, just to grow their political power.
Majority of true Canadians don’t want Alberta to leave ! What we want is major issues to be re- evaluated to make it fair for all of the provinces we need to first of all bring in a PM that is fair and realistic, we the people need them to insure that the Charter of Rights are uphold and insure that Ottawa be limited to its manipulation and overreach . Most importantly we need to dismantle the division that has built up over time towards Western Canada . Change is coming it’s overdue time to take back our country from imbeciles !
@stradzarovich9381 I want Alberta to leave also. They can keep all their dang money we don’t need the 20 Billion sent to The Federal Government every year.
@stradzarovich9381 Exactly sure if Alberta leaves they will not get to enjoy the strict government control on what they say or watch. Which is strange because Germany controlled the media also using tactics from Joseph Gobbles.
To @familygene9030: Possibly. However, the USA is going Marxist, and, perhaps, Islamic. This should give Alberta pause about the the the nation to the south.
That's whyTrudeau is separating our country.Get your nose out of our business.This is all about resources they can't get to market because of Quebec wa ting Canada to separate to steal Ruperts land ( northern quebec).You see they can't have that land north because it was agreed that if they stayed in Canada they would govern the north but if they left they get nothing.You understand what is in norther quebec.Trillions in gold water resources.Its all about them getting it for nothing and starting to de-Unify our country slowly over time.And look who gets into power and entitled twit from Quebec..His father is proof enough.
First Alberta would have to separate from Canada then make its own nations governance... A that point Alberta could join USA Republic Where the federal government would of USA would tax Alberta wealth to give to the Poorer Mid and southern states. This would take years and years and years... Not to say that if Alberta separates it will be handed part of the National debt like it or not but that will happen. Then everybody would need a passport to travel into Canada well the rest of it. Might even need a green card. Then there is the First nations territories that must be settled. Most of the northern Alberta including where Oil sands could be stuck in Canada. Might even find that yellow head trail is the northern border to Canada in the end of the day. Just complicated and not so easy to know what would really happen. It will not be good, that is all I can say. Oh and Banff and jasper will stay in Canada. All of it.
@@donalddavis6684not a chance, don’t like the 🎉night wingers in Alberta. Maybe we can get rid of those Albertans retired in BC. BC can also charge big fee for Alberta moving their oil thought out beautiful coastline.
@@timphiey Pretty sure the Indigenous peoples get a say on whether that ever happens. They have literally hundreds of treaties with the federal Canadian government and the natives have zero trust they will be fairly treated under provincial jurisdiction.
They would be like Quebec (QPP). Quebec's QPP is doing fine and has not been in trouble since mid 70's. The politicians have a good pension plan for only 6 years service. It's so unreal that people are saying it is illegal. Doesn't matter because the politicians are mostly lawyers and they can pass anything (eg. GST).
It would be way better than quebec because they put a clause saying that they must invest in quebec companies only. This restriction stops them from higher profits outside of quebec
The CPP investment board has been telling us they are doing an amazing job, for years. If this is true, there should be plenty of pie to share among everyone at the table.
The CPP has over $475 BILLION dollars in the pot, no wonder Trudeau wants to dip into it, by giving $15 BILLION to China, in Jan/2018, just because he can, even though the Feds, don't contribute one penny, to the CPP fund!!!
The grassroots Albertans have more in mind than just separating CPP. That is just the start. Equalization payments are next. Many of us have wanted our own country for years.
If we became a separate country we would Join the USA. And that might lead to a few other provinces in the west breaking off as well. But I don't think that will happen very soon. What could happen though is a lot more autonomy.
@@cs3818919the US wouldnt antagonize its relation with Canada for 4.7m people and chump change, you're living a dream and you sound like an uneducated kid. Part of your Land are crown land which is rightfully own by Canada, your province would be dissected like swiss cheese.
yah, hoard of albertans quit their jobs to let easterner immigrants to have jobs when they arrived in alberta. Also, albertans like to wear 'i'm albertan' t-shirts too
Why people are arguing this is beyond me. Quebec has had its own pension plan for decades. Why is it okay for Quebec but not for other provinces to keep their citizens' money in a safe plan ?? Don't people know that the feds take and take from our cpp fund when they're not supposed to touch. How much we get back on our cpp is pathetic to what we should be getting. Why is it when one dies, the feds keep it and not give it back to the family ?
For one thing Quebec was never in the CPP. they ran their own pension plan from the start. Alberta has the right to leave the CPP if they wish. I don't think they deserve over half the CPP's assets and Canada will be arguing that for years. How much should the CPP pensioner get? After death, the family gets a death benefit and a legal spouse gets a survivors benefit. So they don't keep it.
@dwjkerr Yes I know they have their own pension, plus they receive all other federal monies we pay for. I absolutely believe each province can and should do their own.
And every single one of those investments that people working in Alberta made WILL go to the people who made them. That lie that you keep telling is a dishonest misrepresentation of the system. I am so sick of hearing fellow Albertans repeating dishonest description. The province pays nothing in CPP. You do. I did for decades. Now that is MY money and I should have a say over who invests it, not you and not any other soft headed Albertans who have been conned by the lies that they keep hearing.
@@kildeeParker There are no personal accounts with the CPP, therefore no individual has any say on the money or over who invests it. It could be different with an Alberta pension plan.
@@thomasjefferson6 - I have not claimed that CPP has personal accounts, but given that over four decades ago I put my faith into that system, instead of going to the Middle East to work, like a number of my colleagues did, I am greatly offended that anyone thinks that one could simply put the fate of my investments to a vote. Imagine the government or voters deciding to take over control of your mortgage, your RSPs, or your stock investments. Morally, the idea that poorly informed and duped gullible Albertans could just vote to change the management of the rest of my retirement investments is infuriating. Additionally, the fact that UCP would offer a referendum to its supporter, but not to teachers (remember, that the UCP already abducted control over most of my pension) is outrageous. That injustice and hypocritical authoritarianism seems to be fine with the folks who spent considerable time nodding their heads to chants of “government overreach”, but it makes me hope that there will be comeuppance. You think that an APP will have personal accounts? I don’t. I also highly doubt that reality will meet the promises of the ICP ads. We would not get anywhere near Smith’s “promised” money and we will not see lower contributions (useless to retired folks) or higher benefits that would make any difference. Smith has spent her term demonstrating her incompetence and her willingness to lie. Why anyone would put their money into her hands is beyond any logic. Do you also think that, like the CPP, the elected government will have a completely hands-off policy in regards to how our money is invested? That would not be the case. Smith has already said that she is looking forward to having a say into how (badly) our money is invested (in fading non-renewable energy industries, I’ll bet). That fact, in concert with Alberta’s historical economic volatility, especially as the world turns towards renewables and the loss of a larger risk pool indicates that we would be really gullible if we buy Smith’s b.s. I have decided to take revenge if Albertans decide to weaponize MY money in a useless endeavour to throw a spitball at Ottawa.
@@kildeeParker Why any Albertan would put their trust in the federal government is astonishing. Any APP would NOT be "put into the hands of Danielle Smith" (a person you obviously despise), nor is there any plan to insist that any APP would have to be invested in "fading" non-renewable energy industries" as you claim. The world is NOT turning to "renewables". Wind and solar will NEVER produce any where close to enough energy to match that of fossil fuels, and any attempt to do so will cause mass poverty and starvation, which is the typical result when Left-wing ideologues attempt to implement their revolutionary totalitarian utopian agendas. The use of fossil fuels on this planet has been steadily increasing, not decreasing, no matter how much "climate activists" wish it were otherwise. It would seem from your remarks, and such words as that you are a supporter of Alberta's NDP, a political party whose primary interests lie outside of Alberta. As for Alberta's "economic volatility", it would be a whole lot less volatile were it not for constant interference from the rapacious federal government and its infinite greed for Alberta's wealth. If Alberta does implement a APP, you will still be free to keep your CPP. Just pack your bags and move out of Alberta. Then you won't have to worry about Danielle Smith a person you obviously hate, and hate is the one thing that the Left is good at.
Good for them. Why should someone pay for someone else's retirement? Time to leave and we'll see who needs who. Even at 25%, Alberta paid 25% for the entire countries CPP? That's ridiculous.
@@camyellowface1350sure, don’t drive on the road or drinking water out of pipe then. Better Move to Sudan if you like to live in a country with failed government. Nuts.
The study claims that Alberta is entitled to 53% of the CPP's assets, which amounts to $334 billion. This calculation is based on factors such as Alberta's high employment rates, young population, and higher pensionable earnings.
No, actually they claim 110% but since it is idiotic 53% is new fantasy number. LOL Alberta leadership is becoming insufferable. I hope there are people there that can get the loonies in check.
i hear everyone slamming Alberta for trying to move the CPP to APP but nobody remembers when ontario tried it in 2016 . Governments had been talking about making changes to CPP benefits for years. A new federal-provincial agreement was also finally made possible thanks to pressure from the Ontario government, which had been making alternate plans to create its own Ontario Retirement Pension Plan (ORPP) initiative. As a result of the 2016 CPP deal, the ORPP was shelved.
Alberta has to stop caring about being a part of "Trudeaus Ottawa" and start focusing every decision on helping Albertans. All provinces other than Ontario and Quebec should be doing the same.
My grandfather is 100 years old and lives exclusively on his pension, so I have concerns about this, on the other hand getting one more federal finger out of Alberta's pies does appeal to me.
@@markanthony3275 CPP is safe and stable. You're talking out your ass. Our premier is just making up nonsense while she pursues her separatist agenda, like she's been doing for years. She's a conspiracy theory clown.
@@markanthony3275 " _Either way CPP is not safe_ " CPP is one of the best-managed and best-funded pension funds in the world. If it's not safe with CPP, it's not safe anywhere. As for an Alberta Pension Plan, I have serious doubts. The AB government has never, in the 50+ years I've been observing it, been a model of financial rectitude and competence.
The country should be decided by east and west. As it is now, the west has never been represented fairly. Elections are always determined in the east. B.C. Alberta and Manitoba should represent the west and seperate from the east.
With Alberta having over paid for years there is no way we should leave with 22%. Even with what has been paid out. Just another example of monetary abuse from Ottawa.
to @cindyirvine6830: If Alberta does leave the CPP, you can be sure that Canada through its federal government will find a way to punish the province and get that excess money back. No Albertan should ever assume any good will from the Laurentian establishment- because there is none.
Actually, I am going back to BC, where I'll petition for a wall along the Rockies, and make the flatlanders pay for it. Why? Because I loathe and despise the"we've got ours, f#ck everyone else attitude behind the proposed pension deform.
@user-io9me1ve7q oh jeeze I wonder why alberta is sooo upset? Could it have something to do with carrying the rest of the country financially on our backs or is it the whole Villan thing for putting food on the table with our dirty oil? It's hard to have a positive attitude with all that b.s
@@alvarezah Deal with it. What's so innovative about shovelling oil sands into trucks and distilling it into crude to send to the US to be refined? Ontario and Quebec have aerospace, auto manufacturing, high tech hubs, and manufacturing with innovation daily. Alberta's still stuck in 1990s technology. Albertans are whiners.
"If Alberta does separate..." Now we're talking. Just get used to that language as you'll be hearing it more and more. Except it is not "if" but rather "when" Give us our 25%, you can have the RCMP back, and we'll be on our way.
@@tamrahawkes3170 through US as how many of us travel to the East. Anyway, the mentality of AB and BC are so different, don’t BC wants to join AB for a union. We love Canada, doesn’t want to separate from it. We can all learn from outcome of the Brexit.
@@freedomlife3623: Brexit was never allowed to fully go ahead - it's been sabotaged & delayed ever since the people voted to leave by the greedy leftists wanting to force the U.K. to stay in the EUC!!
@@murrayfamily1942 How? We'd just join the US as the 51st state, gain full American citizenship and full protections under the US constitution. It's a better deal than what we have currently.
That would never happen. Just like Quebec, you can't just walk away and take the good parts. You would also be responsible for a proportion of federal debt, military, EI, etc. Lots of bluster.
Most Albertans that I know, even those who voted for Smith, all say the same thing. Keep your hands off my hard-earned CPP. If Smith gets her lying, grimy hands on my CPP I'm leaving Alberta.
Not to be a party pooper, but what power? I don't think shooting oneself in the foot and alienating oneself is a solid plan. I would not trust one party to handle the money I have put away. Give anyone that much power, and we are in for trouble.
A huge , valid point by Mr Tombe is 1000% correct in saying that maximizing returns is what this fund should be geared to with taxes paying for whatever business endeavors Alberta decides upon. The idea is to keep the fund funded for future.
Yeah like Trudeaus pipeline to the coast was any better. Oil is at an all time high but companies are not willing to work in Canada because it’s well known that the Trudeaus hate western oil because their financial welfare is wrapped up in Middle East oil and that’s what sets Canadas energy policy. Down with Justin Trudeau.
@@billybobbocephus2177you’re a talented guy billy. That’s about the 6th time I’ve seen your copy and pasted comment. It’s neither funny or clever. Get some new material.
@@evasartorius9528 Well do you want to go the way of Israel and Palestine and fight over a piece of land in the Middle East that is protected by God's. Or is that not a related issue.
I suppose First Nations peoples can decide, who would you rather go with, Canada or Alberta? Given Canada's treatment of them over the last 150 years, the answer seems obvious.
Why not create a separate pension plan for Alberta if they wish . Quebec has their own QPP so it is doable. Justin has divided this country in so many ways from east to west .
because reality and aspirations are 2 different things. you see how alberta managed the oil wealth they got when oil prices dropped, rona hit and fields shut down? you trust alberta government to manage your pensions when they misused or wasted all the oil revenue they collected last 20-30 years, makes you think its likely not a good idea.
When your country is run by a spoiled delusional rich kid who believes “budgets balance themselves” for all of “people kind”, it’s time to leave. Trudeau is an imbecile.
Most Albertans that I know, even those who voted for Smith, all say the same thing. Keep your hands off my hard-earned CPP. If Smith gets her lying, grimy hands on my CPP I'm leaving Alberta.
Word of warning to Alberta: Brexit! first get everyone really angry, second demonize and complain about everything, third don’t ask questions about the plan for afterwards. Fourth regret the decision after it’s made and too late to change, fifth complain that you did not get all the facts from those promoting it. Wexit may seem like a good idea, until you really look at the consequences.
Yep, Brexit was a shit idea wrapped up in lies, but the not so informed voted for it, and everyone in the UK is paying for it. This grift will hand money to the friends of the Conservatives at the expense of retirement security for regular Albertans.
You got a better idea? Conservatives are pretty much the only means the west has right now to oppose Liberals and the majority of the East thinks that all the problems could be solved by disbanding the Tories while ignoring the sins of this coalition.
@@JohnnyTightlips2007 Yes, don't mess with something that, in an imperfect world, is working reasonable well, and when someone promises something better, start from the perspective of what's in it for them.
@@guyl9456 I wouldn’t trust a modern-day populist right-wing government with my pension, ever! CPP works well, so if it ain’t broke, don’t try and fix it, and it ain’t broke. The Tories want to redirect some of the funds to who knows where, but you can bet your bottom dollar, their friends and party donors will be in the mix somewhere. It’s a classic strategy to raid the pockets of ordinary people.
Canada needs to get its act together, but the CPP is not fair, that's for damn sure, it doesn't mean we should split Provinces. We have people here that make $150 an hour, so they single handedly add more to the CPP than 4 or more people out east put together. All we want here in Alberta is to be left to do what we know how to do and be recognized as a major driving force, behind Canada's wealth and even technological developments. We wouldn't think twice to support Canada, if we had our own rules and not be fucked with like we are children and made artificially poor by pathetic laws, bills and regulations. The nonsense that might work out east, doesn't fly over here. Leave us to work and play and we are happy like a pig in the compost pile ;) ALBERTA STRONG!
you do realize that there is MAXIMUM CPP deduction? A person making $150/hr pays no more than a person making $30/hr annually. Maximum CPP contribution is $3,754.45
How much were they making when they were working? That affects the payout. That might also be why the US government is fighting tooth and claw to get rid of it. Not that I wouldn''t mind more. Our health care and such probably makes a difference too.
I am from BC and cannot blame Alberta for what they are trying to do. The BC premier does not seem to have a thick skin and buckles under Ottawa's pressure. Because I am a British Columbian I feel that BC is the only compliant province.
Yeah, except your province doesn’t matter when the federal vote comes it’s already decided you have literally no say in Canada has run Plus your province is broke even with your 12% HST. We have 5% GST and still pay billions and billions in transfer payments to the rest of the provinces Honestly, we don’t need the rest of Canada. Truthfully, they need us.
I think that BC is a compliant province because its provincial NDP government admires the federal government- at least as long as the federal NDP remains part of it. The BC provincial government has now sent the provincial debt soaring past 100 billion dollars, and, unlike Alberta, BC doesn't have any future oil export revenues to help bring that debt back down should the people of BC ever again decide not to vote NDP. Nor does the BC government seem to mind the fact that BC has only 6 seats in Canada's Senate, while Quebec and Ontario have 24 seats each and New Brunswick and Nova Scotia have 10 seats each. It will be interesting to see how content BC will be to remain in Confederation if Albertans ever see the sense of getting their province out before it is too late.
Alberta is entitled to near half of the CPP assets because of the huge amount of our contributions, more than any other province in Canada. That's the only reason the feds will fight this. The millions in our natural resource monies they would no longer receive.
These aren't transfer payments, CPP comes off everyone's paycheque. It's not as if people in Alberta contribute more than any other province. Given the way the UCP has tanked the teachers pension fund that they just decided to take over, I don't want them anywhere near my pension.
Notice how the feds are not fighting Quebec to bring that province into the glorious Canada Pension Plan! If that Plan is so fantastic, why wouldn't Quebec be wanting to join it?
Yeah, Smith slithered right in there with her far-right-wing-radical thinking. Most Albertans I know (even if they voted for her) want her to keep her hands off our CPP.
Thank goodness we finally have a leader who's firmly standing up for Albertans. Without doing a deep dive analysis on an APP, the answer lies within the results of what other oil producing sovereign nations around the world have been doing. The benefits show to be astounding for it's citizens. The Feds realize that, and that's exactly why they're pushing back with fierce propaganda. Alberta needs it's own pension plan. Thank you Premier for taking a stand for Albertans !
The last few years we have seen a large increase in the contributions to the CPP in Alberta. I believe it is around 25% and it’s just more money for the liberals to squander into where ever they see fit. In my opinion there is way to much money handed over to groups outside of Canada. The pensions have really only increased about 1.9% for most people the cost of living have gone up lots more than that. If we did decide to have our own pension at least the money payed in. Would be used to better our province
The fact that YOU are sooooo misinformed to think that CPP contributions go into general coffers, AND that YOU pay more for CPP than the rest of Canada is mystifying....!? Alberta pays more into CPP, because Alberta employs, and has been employing MANY, MANY out of Province workers!
@@chrishogan8125 do you understand people from all over Canada come to work there how about western Canada come to work in the east it will never happen because western Canada is not invited to work there goofs stop the welfare to easterners from Alberta money
@@chrishogan8125 So your saying the external company that came up with the numbers made a mistake? So can you give me a breakdown of the numbers with all the data you have collected since Alberta started paying into CPP. Or are you giving just your opinion on what you want to believe.
