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This honestly isn't just my attempt at a clickbait title...in the mid 2000s Trials frames were usually overbuilt and heavy or super light and weak, neither of which was what I wanted.
The result was that it wasn't uncommon for riders with a bit of time on their hands to modify their frames to try and save some weight but still retain enough strength to survive a season or two.
After finding one of my old comp frames at Tartybikes which I had cut a hole into the headtube and BB shell I realised that this might not be something people knew about. This old Atomz frame was pretty conservative, depending on the frame you could go to town with drilling holes so I got myself a new (to me) frame from the correct era...an Adamant A2 which I could use to see exactly how much weight could be saved.
Just like the disclaimer at the start of my video...please DON'T try this on your frame unless you're willing to take the risk. You'll definitely loose any warranty at best.
I'm going to get this bike built and ridden soon and see how it feels.
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@Ali_Clarkson 3 года назад

Before the comments roll in, there’s lots of bad habits and techniques going on in this video...I’m very limited in space, tools, time and experience (and maybe brains) so don’t take this video as advice, it’s simply entertainment and I’m doing stuff so you don’t have to.

@TheWebstaff 3 года назад

Dremel Speedclic cut off disks are the best for cutting. Worth the extra..

@lukehill6395 3 года назад

Looking at frames like this, i wonder if you could flip the frame upside down (with the bb on the top of the frame) and build a bike up like that, then see how it rides? you might have to get a little creative with the cranks/hub but it would be interesting to see how bad it is!

@treewizzard 3 года назад

major props for taking the sharp edges off most of those holes you drilled!

@Aljonone1 3 года назад

A tooth brush works good for stripping paint & sure would have an old one? Have been busy building new trail lines, but could do with some help with knowing how technically difficult to make them? What I can ride is not a good guide, but trails still ride good?

@2nd3rd1st 3 года назад

Boring video, but you could have done a hole lot worse.

@joeldriver381 3 года назад

Note to self: Don't let Ali borrow any of my frames. LOL

@Ali_Clarkson 3 года назад

Haha!!

@JoelTGM 3 года назад

"I made sure to clean your bike for you before giving it back. There was a lot of mud and extra metal on it. It's so clean you can see through the dropouts again!"

@DubsnSubsSessions 3 года назад

Honestly, as someone with a small machine shop at home in his shed, with like 5 things that can drill holes, you're much better with a hand drill than I am! Good job and that hole saw looks pretty sweet!

@weareallbeingwatched4602 3 года назад

Hacker skills

@IgorDz 3 года назад

Ikr! His hand-drill skills are impressive

@Egcmikey 3 года назад

Raw frames are the best!! Love seeing the welds, especially on steel!

@Ali_Clarkson 3 года назад

Mmmmm raw steel!!

@TheVacras 3 года назад

I don’t know if drilling holes into my frame would give me a confidence boost to be honest :D

@JoshuaSpierVideos 3 года назад

These trial folks are a different breed man haha

@Coolcmsc 3 года назад

I remember doing a few things that included a bit of heating of a full suss frame using a mate’s gas welder - ‘‘twas an aluminium one. All went well until a few weeks later charging down to Ladybower...... Well, suddenly, I had an easy to transport folding frame 😂🤣🤣😂

@orangekj8856 3 года назад

I never clicked so fast. Love your vids

@Ali_Clarkson 3 года назад

Thanks man that means a lot to me :)

@euanbeaden74 3 года назад

As a machinist and engineer, I can say you've done a pretty good job considering your skill and tools available! The only area which might have been substantially weakened is the BB yolk, but as the holes are all round and don't have any sharp corners; it will probably be okay for a long time. Unless you hit it on anything and dent it, it'll be 'reeeeet'! We've all done things like this when we started riding!

@michael_emtb 3 года назад

I really enjoyed that Ali!! Nice one!! Always great to see different content, and someone willing to do something different 👍🏻👍🏻

@christhrelfall80 3 года назад

Thank god your not a dentist! 😂😂😂😂! Great video!

@Ali_Clarkson 3 года назад

Lol I’d be the worst!

@ronwhite8503 3 года назад

You're.

@wtf2krazy 3 года назад

Machinist here, in engineering school too... Can confirm I had raised eyebrows but I love the dedication man! Keep up the awesome shredding!

@Ali_Clarkson 3 года назад

Thanks! Will do!

@BrynKitchenham 3 года назад

is that your sunday bike? coz its holy im sorry....

@WIPEYOURLENZ 3 года назад

Jesus Christ 🤦🏼‍♂️

@gafrers 3 года назад

Fantastic, being this "crude" made it more real. Did you usually "chase/retap/pass" the threads of the BB where drilled?

@Ali_Clarkson 3 года назад

Doesn’t get much more crude than this haha! I think I did chase the threads in older frames when I worked in a bike shop that had the tool... in this case I’ll use a cheap bb before putting a better quality one in

@gafrers 3 года назад

@@Ali_Clarkson Thank you for answering. Great content as usual.

@TimInertiatic 3 года назад

@@Ali_Clarkson wire brush to remove the loose material probably be sufficient. Apparently you can make your own chase tool by grinding slots in the threads of metal BB cups...? Luckily after an unmasked respray (!) a wire brush on a drill worked for me

@gabiold 3 года назад

@@TimInertiatic You can! Last time I messed up my BB threads during a spindle replacement. I bought a BB kit for retro bikes witn steel cone cups, it was like $2. I have cut three slots similar to how a thread tap looks like, and it worked perfectly on an aluminium frame. For those who want to make this tool: - identify which is the left thread, so it should be cut accrodingly - search for the start of the thread, and cut the slots far away from that. It is already very hard to align the tool properly in an already damaged thread, and without the proper leading edge it is even harder. - don't force in this tool in one pass. If the thread is more worn or full of dried thread locker, that won't fit in the shallow groove. Remove the tool and brush out the chips.

@Beesa10 3 года назад

You nutter! I've often thought about drilling out material from mtb chainrings to save a little weight but never actually done it. The frame looks good raw and still looks very strong.

@devononair 3 года назад

I think it's a lot safer with some parts than others. Not sure about chainrings, but I would be happier to drill out derailleurs, levers, saddles and rims before I drill frames or other weight-bearing parts! It's also worth weighing the parts on your bike. Sometimes you discover that your tyres or pedals are actually quite heavy compared to others on the market, and you can save as much weight as drilling just by changing a couple of parts. I just spent £40 on some new pedals and saved about 150g.

@Beesa10 3 года назад

@@devononair It's definitely worth weighing parts yourself, I've noticed the actual weight is often different from what is stated by the manufacturer. Unless you're a competitive cyclist, beyond shortening a long seat post or cutting the excess off a new fork steerer, taking a saw or drill to your bike to save a few grams probably isn't worth it.

@gtasomogyi 3 года назад

As building my old-school trial bike, what is based on a UMF Hardy Steel 2 ('10), what I've learned: Yes, that 158g is worth. Here 150g, there 150g (lighter fork), somewhere else 150g (lighter tyres), and maybe another 150g (another pedals!), and you got easily -1kg! That is really something to notice when you ride. And than you can go further: change stem, bar, inner tubes, gearing (f.e. from 32-23, to 22-18), seat tube (if you have a seat), BB and cranks (from square taper/isis/howitzer to GXP/Hollowtech 2), what are not big investments, if not everything is brand new. but that's how my 15+kg (original setup) bike got 12,78kg! At the moment, since a really ligther fork, ligther front wheel, front brake disc is on the way... :)

@felipenavas 3 года назад

I really like to see people modding bikes, thanks for the video!

@PaulWilliams1978 3 года назад

Just here for the frog analogies 🐸

@Ali_Clarkson 3 года назад

I use them all the time!

@judechandler5102 3 года назад

I know you said you wouldn't. But would you please reconsider a video about making brake pads? Please...

@MaYbYl8eR 3 года назад

His big secret

@rickspeight5108 3 года назад

Nice one Ali! Never really seen this attention to detail with frame weight saving. Very interesting! Thanks for sharing 👍🏼

@Tutt1997 3 года назад

Absolutely love this video! Keep up the awesome content Ali!

@shaunbeakley348 3 года назад

Please don't do this to bikes, also Ali, don't ride this, we all love you

@Ali_Clarkson 3 года назад

I agree, don’t do this although I’m confident this will still be strong, you should see some of the older frames I ran...actually spoiler... the Atomz want the only old comp frame I found, also have a very highly modified comp frame which I’m going to build into a full bike soon

@zacharydevan4107 3 года назад

Don't forget about grinding down the welds. It takes off more than you'd think and looks slick too.

@bikeislife8405 2 года назад

Ah yes, the rarest metal on earth: Drill-inium

@AlexSalikan 3 года назад

I remember Jeff Anderson and Kevin Liu took a grinder to an entire frame to make the tubing thinner back in the day. The watermelon bike. Based on a Meta VTT.

@Ali_Clarkson 3 года назад

See if I had a bit more time, a shed and a steady hand I’d have tried that with this frame too

@lynxg4641 3 года назад

Insane Ali, insane :-D I was off by 7g guessing the final weight after "diet", guess 1970g, because I know how little you actually save doing stuff like that having removed guides etc that weren't being used on older frames. Will be very interested to see you ride that built up and then if holds up fine, then maybe look to do further "dietary" actions to it to save some more.

@richardmiddleton7770 3 года назад

I've done this on a Zoo Pirana (I think) which was massively over engineered for me. You have to take into account that these frames have to survive a 90kg+ rider dropping off a 10ft wall so for me at 64kg pottering around jumping off nothing higher than say 5ft, I could really go crazy with the drilling. Of course noone is going to want to buy the frame afterwards so you have to keep that in mind! Also you can save twice as much weight simply by changing tyres or even going tubeless as tubes are around 250g each!

@WestonWill 3 года назад

I wonder how may years before we get 3D printed frames that look like crazy spider webs and are twice as lite and twice as strong!

@devononair 3 года назад

That would be awesome!

@Aljonone1 3 года назад

Crazy spider webs would not make a good frame design, so no?

@HavokTheorem 2 года назад

Pro tip: Use soap as a lubricant on your cutting and grinding tools when machining aluminium. Makes the chips stick a lot less.

@Lucas-kr5mi 3 года назад

CONGRATS ON 100k !!!!!

@Ali_Clarkson 3 года назад

Thank you! :D

@frankanon7693 3 года назад

Great video! Modding and drilling parts back in the day was a lot more fun and exciting than just buying light stuff nowadays. I think that bike will ride better than your echo hifi due to the longer chain stays. I think you had a yabaa with 390 back in the day and the a2 are 385 i think. Have fun!

@sunreindeerfog 3 года назад

A good example of “knowing the rules before you can break the rules”

@Andy-Sas 3 года назад

Love these builds

@jonathanarandilla6156 2 года назад

Its 1AM but your video is my favorite to watch

@jamesconroy7030 3 года назад

I used to work at a bike shop that carried Litespeed Ti frames. The sales rep would always brag that since it doesn't need to be painted, that saved 1/4 pound right there.

@Ali_Clarkson 3 года назад

Yeah I think I remember a few ti frame brands claiming the same thing!

@benpc1794 3 года назад

@@Ali_Clarkson do you remember Pete Wright from back in the day on Trials-forum? I recall titanium holes and other such shenanigans!

@Aljonone1 3 года назад

@@Ali_Clarkson Remember cutting up a Ti frame & designing full sus frame for titanium red back in mid 90s But Titaniunm red got ripped off by Russian's that built frames in mig fighter jet factoty & never saw frames built, sad but true!

@desmation 3 года назад

Definitely a Dark Art.. lol A long time ago, I externally butted the tubings. I systematically sanded and counted every stride with a sanding disc on an angle grinder. (You can use a caliper to test how much material each pass removes. Do more passes near the centre of the frame.) It is SLIGHTLY safer than drilling holes. I brought a low end frame down to approx 1650grams. After 6 months of riding, I threw the frame away before hurting myself or anyone else.

@robinrai4973 3 года назад

Christ! I felt like I was gonna get arrested by opening up the gear cable mounts on my frame, meanwhile here you are doing this!

@andrewterry8661 3 года назад

You've been smashing out great content mate!

@Pickfordr100 3 года назад

We haven't all left the room 🤣

@Amiebike 3 года назад

I almost cry, I understand that's a common thing in trials bikes, but it still hurts haha

@connorcampbell144 3 года назад

Ali have you been to Tesco by any chance? Every little helps.... even taking the stickers off

@invertrialsbiker9391 3 года назад

Adamant lovers look away now 😂 I never knew anyone that used to do that to their frame's but a few of us used to do it too our magura hs33 lever blades

@imnotgivingmynametoamachine683 3 года назад

You're quite good with the cordless drill! Even with the tame riding I do I'm afraid my MTB frame will have problems, I'd be a nervous wreck! My frame could probably handle someone twice my weight riding 3 times as hard ;)

@idesantiago 3 года назад

Would say most of the mods would not be a problem, obviously holes are stress raisers but seems to be enough material. Not too happy with the dropouts though. By getting rid of the walls all the loads from the rear wheel are fed into the frame in bending, rather than in shear (which is the preferred way). In a heavy landing the ¨beams¨ connecting the wheel axis to the frame will surely bend or even break. Next time leave a minimum of 1.5 mm wall thickness if you can. And that is my unnecessary, unasked for comment for today :-)

@petewright2283 3 года назад

I think you can improve the current mods to make them more of a professional finish and weight saving. Increase the size of holes. That read how can open right up. Radial the edges for the stress relief. Shot blast it, remove a layer and make it cleaner. Ditch the cable mounts. Tape, cable tie or internal now. It’s a comp thing as you said. Your drill is not idea. Get some man power!

@dzridesbikes 3 года назад

This was really cool to watch, thanks Ali

@Ivan_trialist 3 года назад

Did you make logo "crank brothers" in head tube 😁

@baconfister 3 года назад

Awfully painful seeing you struggle with the cordless and rather anemic cordless Dremel tool. The corded one will give you back 50% of your precious wasted time. I have endured using the “wrong” hand tools in the past so I can totally appreciate your painstaking (and obviously frustrating) efforts for this video. Mad kudos seeing you struggle how I have in the past (I was using cordless tools to modify car engines - internal reciprocating components and porting/polishing intake/exhaust runners and stuff like that - only to gain 4HP in a stupid car!).

@audunskilbrei8279 3 года назад

As a mechanical engineer I can tell you that what you did to the drop outs has massively weakenend them. Especially the left one. The material that you removed was taking most of the vertical forces(forces going perpendicular to the length of the frame) coming from the rear axle. I would not ride that frame.

@audunskilbrei8279 3 года назад

Please have a look at this: imgur.com/a/rK0YEFv I did a simple stress analysis on on a dropout like that. I don't have the exact measurements so the dropout I modelled is only an approximation. But it still serves to prove my point. What you did more than quadruples the stress in certain areas of the dropout and it could very well lead to a fracture! The images also clearly shows that the stress distribution in the part is dramatically altered.

@Aljonone1 3 года назад

May be less strong? But still strong enough!

@jackolson8775 3 года назад

@@audunskilbrei8279 Im no engineer, but there is an important factor missing in that calculation: A base point. That dropout could have easily been 100Xs stronger than needed to start, if he's reduced the effectiveness by 4Xs he still has plenty of strength there. What you are saying is legit, Im not disputing that, I can clearly see what you describe. I also agree to be cautious with that thing, no one needs Ali hurt.

@audunskilbrei8279 3 года назад

@@jackolson8775 You are correct. They could very well have designed that frame with a 10x safety factor and it will be fine. But what has happened here is that the stress has been shifted to a point where the engineers never meant it to be. This is, in many ways, comparable to removing the seat tube in the frame. The double triangle design of a normal bike frame is extremely strong when all the parts are in place. Remove just one tube and it becomes an order of magnitude weaker. Even with a 10x safety factor it might not be enough. And the scary thing about aluminium is that it might not crack right away but you may have fatigue fractures in a months time. Basically my point is the same as your last point. I want Ali to be safe and I personally feel that this frame is no longer safe. I could very well be wrong(I hope I am if he keeps riding it).

@jackolson8775 3 года назад

@@audunskilbrei8279 Thanks for the insight. Absolutely correct on the aluminum fatigue.

@TimInertiatic 3 года назад

Very interesting. I've cut redundant bosses off frames but was always a bit nervous in case there was just a hole under the braze on, so left an ugly stub. The countersinking is very my mechanics inspired. I'm the same now :-)

@VansonG 3 года назад

8:47 "Drilling through weld is not what you want to be doing"....True, you don't want to drill through the weld but do you ever notice that it's not typically the weld that breaks? It is usually the strongest part of the project if done correctly.

@domoakley781 3 года назад

i liked the frog bit

@YanDoroshenko 3 года назад

Alistair, my lad, would you please explain, how exactly did you "find" a frame? It's a bicycle frame, not a penny forgotten in the old winter jacket.

@Aljonone1 3 года назад

He found it under Danny's bed or behind the couch?

@YanDoroshenko 3 года назад

@@Aljonone1 Makes sense.

@weareallbeingwatched4602 3 года назад

Frame drillium. Scary stuff.

@Jskjerning 3 года назад

I am looking forward to this frame riding 🤪 The dropout section is my biggest concern.

@Nickporter17 3 года назад

Every filing flake is another bit of weight saved. Wow 😂

@Gordonhaymes 3 года назад

Innovation is the mother of invention...someone steps forward...makes the risk...we all move one step forward... Dremel or not... that’s engineering 🤘🇨🇭👀

@hedf 3 года назад

My phd went to antarctica after watching this

@exitusgx 3 года назад

Aww man! This brings back so many memories... Good times

@jackolson8775 3 года назад

As a machinist, you are correct, I was cringing. Ha ha ha! Id say the #1 thing ( besides using more cutting fluid - vegetable shortening works great on aluminum, believe it or not ) would be using a vice or some sort of clamp down set up. It'll save a LOT of time, headaches & broken bits. I was entertained, however. ;)

@budycelyn 3 года назад

with all the weight most of the time being on the rear wheel i'm not sure the drilled dropouts would support the stress. removing the thinner sections takes away a lot of strength from that area alone.. but as an exercise in weight reduction, good try :)

@matthewkuhl79 3 года назад

This is the first time i've ever stopped to look at a train wreck 😬 This reminds me of my sportbike days where guys would spend disgusting amounts of money to save less weight than getting fit and eating right would yield for free (obviously not applicable in your case)

@gigakernel 3 года назад

I think you could also heavily drill the top and "seat" tubes to the state they'd look like modern gaming mice backs without much rigidity loss :)

@lorenzorighi99 3 года назад

I think that this format with voice comment would be much better even for builds videos

@davideiotti9725 2 года назад

When you remove paint like that is there any downside? Is it better to apply a bit of clearcoat afterwards?

@Magister899 3 года назад

The amount of chips inside that room must've been enormous. :D I personally use my shower stall as my workshop... But a god damn angle grinder inside a flat? That's next level! That hole saw is a cool design that i hadn't seen before. Does it use carbide tool bits..? Great to see someone else doing metal work like this in their home as well. :)

@peglor 3 года назад

You have to watch you don't set the smoke alarm off if you use an angle grinder indoors. You'll never guess how I found out :-P...

@Max-xl3ml 3 года назад

I'm curious is a set of rims that have been through a bunch of grinds lighter than a fresh trials rim? Could you have a "race day" wheelset that only has a handful of grinds left just for use in competition?

@Ali_Clarkson 3 года назад

Yes they do get lighter BUT they also dent easier which wouldn’t be ideal in the middle of a comp

@Max-xl3ml 3 года назад

@@Ali_Clarkson ah I see, basically like any standard rim brake rim.

@JNAMOTORSPORTS 3 года назад

I feel like light weight isn’t worth it for many reasons I would rather things last Saving weight makes very little sense in the modern era. The rider does make up for weight on any bike and skills.

@Ali_Clarkson 3 года назад

I agree

@gusrodger6897 3 года назад

Do as I say not as I do !

@Ali_Clarkson 3 года назад

Definitely!

@mikesloan3805 3 года назад

wow pretty cool. I like that this vid had voice commentary and not just subtitles.

@bobjow5341 3 года назад

Nice video good job

@Ali_Clarkson 3 года назад

Thank you :)

@jeremywatts2768 3 года назад

Now you can install like 7 OneUp EDC tools.

@JoelTGM 3 года назад

Good vid and well narrated

@mtbmillar7598 3 года назад

Awesome job

@paul-sm3wh 3 года назад

Yh just ad one hole for good luck.🤔🤔🤔😂😂😂😂your crazy bro no harm in a third ppphhhaaahaaahaa mad man. Looks sick though. 👍🏻💪🏻✊🏻

@jackhume4532 3 года назад

That was really interesting Ali, the only other way to save weight is for the rider to lose weight as well, however Ali my build is now finished and I went with an 18 tooth cog on the rear wheel and that’s perfect for now an then one day when I am used to riding my single speed cruiser I might put the 16 tooth cog back on, anyway you keep your good work on these interesting videos and I will see you on the next one, buy for now.

@enzodougherty9429 3 года назад

Taking the term "weight weenie" to a whole nother level :)

@peglor 3 года назад

That lad on a recent Pinkbike video with a sub 8 kg Scott full suspension XC bike would beg to differ...

@thomasstone1363 3 года назад

Brilliant Video! Thanks Ali

@wonderwatch2239 3 года назад

The fine art of drillium👍😂

@ChrisTrunek 3 года назад

the title got me, what are you doing...

@ecols 3 года назад

Nice to see you featured my former bike in the video, but please ask next time for usage rights for the pictures. The abused downtube was mine...

@Ali_Clarkson 3 года назад

Point made and it’s been noted, apologies if it annoyed you. Hopefully you can see it from my side too though, I needed ANY picture of a scratched up/dented down tube on a trials bike but you’d be surprised how few there are on-line (certainly in a high enough res). Yours was the only suitable one I could find after an hour of looking, it looked to be an older photo from a sales description and not anything that was earning the owner any money from royalties. My video was due out that same day on Patreon and to try and figure out the owner of the photo would have taken too long and posting it on social media to find the owner might have given the frame away. I seriously never expected the owner of an old photo of a down tube from a sales advert would want to arrange usage rights. I’m in the wrong for using a photo from Google without permission but hopefully my reasons give some insight to why I did.

@ecols 3 года назад

@@Ali_Clarkson no worries! I never intended to claim anything. I am glad to help out a fellow trials rider any time. In case you need additional pictures you can get in touch any time. The profile you got it from is flickr.com/photos/ecols feel free to flip through and see if something can help you out.

@alexandercherednichenko6381 3 года назад

why don't you drill more holes inside frame tubes????

@shaharsdechen2537 3 года назад

Waiting for for another rainy day so you will build the bike

@hugomartin419 3 года назад

Where can you buy the paint stripper?

@JordiMoll 3 года назад

It´s a lot of work and time for a few grams. It´s good to see but not necessary. Same things on MTB or road bikes. Weight isn´t everything. My surprise comes on DH world. They use aluminium frames. Much more genle when rides hard. The stiffness of carbon fiber are so hard and don´t absorb the big impacts like aluminium. Nice videos on this chanel. Greetings from Mallorca.

@ps3customgamer 3 года назад

Would be a good idea using some cutting compound next time

@waldodewaal4123 3 года назад

That disclaimer though lol

@Ali_Clarkson 3 года назад

As much as I think most of my viewers are sensible and able to think for themselves I felt like I had to at least put something

@mikedatu9835 3 года назад

it might get easily bent when jumps

@idhoppers 3 года назад

Good work! Everything goes for lighter weigth, even computer mices are full of holes nowadays :-)

@robadobdob 3 года назад

Frames and components made with "drillium" were all the rage int he 90's.

@devononair 3 года назад

Ali is very much a product of the 90s!

@ellerybice3787 3 года назад

Nuts!

@sylvaner01 3 года назад

Do what you can with the tools you have, just buy a better drill when you can ;) go makita. Thanks for the video it’s pretty interesting. Looking forward to the build video for this frame.

@SaintVes 3 года назад

Well, I did not started the video yet, but I already want it to be longer!!! :)

@lennartdelarambelje1154 3 года назад

I can understand the experimental factor of doing this, but the amount of effort and actual total weight saved does in no way add up to the loss of structural integrity of your frame.. But you knew that already ;) Nice vid nonetheless! :)

@digbysirchickentf2315 3 года назад

You still own a heavy frame, why not start with a regular weight frame and make that lighter? Maybe would be more risky, and maybe would be a duller video.

@Ali_Clarkson 3 года назад

I just had to work with whatever the cat dragged in

@digbysirchickentf2315 3 года назад

@@Ali_Clarkson I think you wanted more metal to be able to remove. 'makes a better vid' said the cat. But if you mean the frame was free cuz so heavy, that works too.