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What are "muscle knots"? (for massage therapists and clients) 

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So your massage therapist told you that you have "knots," or maybe "the most knots I've ever felt!" What is a knot, and what can you do to get rid of them? Well, I've got good news: There is no medical phenomenon known as a "muscle knot." Your muscles don't get knotted up or clumped together when you get stressed, and there are no balls of messed up tissue within your muscle.
So... what is your massage therapist talking about? As I say in the video (0:55), they're probably just talking about tight postural muscles, usually in trapezius, rhomboids, and the spinal erectors. These are naturally very lumpy muscles-in high-tension situations, they can feel quite bumpy, especially where they overlap. If you don't know your anatomy (your massage therapist should, by the way), it could be easy to mistake this for a problem.
Another likely "not-knot" are the many bits of your anatomy that are difficult to identify (4:24), such as the tendon of levator scapulae, the inferolateral border of trapezius, and the many ridges and folds of perfectly healthy muscle. If you've been told that you have knots in your upper back, it's very likely that your massage therapist was just unaware of what they were feeling under their hands.
It's possible that your massage therapist was talking about myofascial trigger points (3:00), a phenomenon with mixed scientific evidence. Here's the theory: You've got taut bands in your muscles that tend to have isolated areas of contraction within them. These can refer pain elsewhere, following predictable patterns. While the referral of pain from one area to another seems to be reliable (if poorly understood), the palpability of trigger points is in question. See this study for an example: www.ncbi.nlm.ni... , and this article by Paul Ingraham for a comprehensive write-up: www.painscienc...
If your massage therapist told you that you have knots, it's likely that they're just using the language and interaction style modeled for them by teachers and colleagues. Those people were mistaken too. Please feel free to let those knots go. If you've got muscle tension that's giving you trouble, that can and will change over time, especially if you make some changes.
To the massage therapists in the crowd, I'd love to hear your thoughts. If you used to tell clients about their knots (I know I did), what made you change your mind? Have you found other language that's more useful, and that creates less stigma? Let's talk about it!
What does your massage therapist mean by "knots"?
0:55 1. Tight posture muscles.
3:00 2. Trigger points
4:24 3. Mistaken anatomical identity
4:57 What should you do about your "knots"?
The "not-knots":
5:27 The superior angle of the scapula
7:00 Inferolateral trapezius
7:53 Aponeurosis medial to the spine of the scapula
8:30 Infraspinatus
8:58 The "back mouse"
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@hollywhite7449
@hollywhite7449 7 лет назад
I really appreciated this video. When clients ask about knots, I always explain that nothing is "knotted," it's contracted muscle tissue, like when you intentionally flex your bicep, that can occur from repeated postural or movement patterns. It's only now occurring to me, that for everyone who asks, there are probably 30 who don't ask. Thank you!
@mattfaure1066
@mattfaure1066 8 лет назад
You're a bloody genius for dispelling this myth. Keep up the good work.
@afrovibes4510
@afrovibes4510 7 лет назад
i love this
@Panchkula007
@Panchkula007 7 лет назад
how do you know ?
@BillyBob-dt8di
@BillyBob-dt8di 7 лет назад
First time I've watched one of these were the person wasn't talking rubbish about 'toxins' and other complete psuedo-scientific nonsense. Well done!
@bharkathhussainasim2686
@bharkathhussainasim2686 7 лет назад
Billy Bob wwwwscc
@aitorjara100
@aitorjara100 6 лет назад
Boring shit
@Ramonamaria010
@Ramonamaria010 7 лет назад
I am just studying to be a remedial therapist and I must admit I have been riding the wave of "muscle knots" as clients seem to love it. Thank you for educating me so that I work on being true to the task at hand.
@MassageSloth
@MassageSloth 7 лет назад
It is something that seems to resonate with clients ("so that's why I'm in pain!"), which makes it even more important for us to avoid giving them this easy answer. The real causes of pain and dysfunction are harder to discuss, but they're also less stigmatizing, and can seem much less permanent. Cheers to you for going the extra mile!
@OnlineCitizenTV
@OnlineCitizenTV 29 дней назад
The intro was so well connected and personalized as a person. Nothing feels better when someone value his work and his clients so much.
@JackFlash771
@JackFlash771 4 года назад
Wow this guy gives so much faith in humanity and makes me hopeful I can find a massage therapist like him. Honest to a fault, believes in and adheres to rigorously-researched science, recognizes that practitioners in his field sometimes spread misinformation.
@imknobody
@imknobody 8 лет назад
This needs to be taught to every massage student before they become therapist. Your doing some amazing work sir, I'm grateful to learn from another amazing teacher/therapist/bodyworker
@rodrickgipson2033
@rodrickgipson2033 5 лет назад
Wow! I recently graduated from massage therapy school and I've only been a working in the field for 8 mos. And now i feel like I've learned way more than what my instructor taught. Thank you
@HMMHarwood
@HMMHarwood 8 лет назад
Totally agree with your opinion on the mistaken identities most therapists coin as 'Muscle Knots.' Great video Ian!
@Sunshine-ci6rf
@Sunshine-ci6rf 3 года назад
Woah so cool to see you on here
@shannanigans1373
@shannanigans1373 3 года назад
Love your videos, HM Massage!
@cynthiagreencmt7709
@cynthiagreencmt7709 3 года назад
Hi Spencer! 👋 good to see you on here 😎
@manelkh3706
@manelkh3706 5 лет назад
You're so chill and your explanations are clear and delivered in a very comforting way
@ebonyboyce4739
@ebonyboyce4739 6 лет назад
Thank you for sharing. I've been a licensed massage therapist for almost three years now and I've unfortunately told my clients they have nots, but I also follow up with letting them know it can be fixed. Again, thank for you sharing this was very educational for me.
@plaguerat33
@plaguerat33 6 лет назад
Oh wow, I had no idea massage was such an interesting thing to learn. I watch massage videos to help myself relax so I got here randomly clicking through different videos. Love the focus on proper anatomy and texture. Very cool and helpful.
@TheChronicRhythm
@TheChronicRhythm 8 лет назад
deez knots. GOT EM, unfortunately.
@noni828
@noni828 5 лет назад
😂😂😂😂😂
@FlyBoiQ1
@FlyBoiQ1 5 лет назад
😂😂🤣🤣🤣😂😂
@adriana7310
@adriana7310 5 лет назад
best.line.ever. 😂😂😂👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻
@Bizzy-Bumble1131
@Bizzy-Bumble1131 4 года назад
Lol!!
@chamorro81
@chamorro81 4 года назад
3 year old comment. Still a classic. Have a like.
@amberlester8352
@amberlester8352 7 лет назад
This is so informative! I am a current student of massage therapy and I feel so stoked to be receiving such fantastic, science based insight.
@anaguerrerosholisticwellbe2788
this is fantastic! I tell my clients the same 'it's only muscle tightness, nothing to worry about'. I like reassuring them. (client) - oh that hurts, what is it? (me) - it hurts but it doesn't mean that there is anything wrong with you, it's a tinny but very strong tendon. It's tough material so it gets tense easily with over use. Good therapists will care about the mind/emotional state of the client too. Thanks for sharing 😀
@kashiefasalie6557
@kashiefasalie6557 7 лет назад
I like your answer. I wanna learn more from you... such a nice way to put it to a client in pain..
@Rockandrollgeerage
@Rockandrollgeerage 6 лет назад
Solaris Therapeutic Massage - York is it ok to do deep tissue massage on those tight muscles?
@gregthesplintercell
@gregthesplintercell 6 лет назад
Solaris Therapeutic Massage - York I'm going to start telling my clients this.
@Gringo7475
@Gringo7475 6 лет назад
Kashiefa Salie RIGHT!. Tell them that...when you are incapable of ending the pain. How sad for your clients.
@haribolsiddhadas4595
@haribolsiddhadas4595 7 лет назад
Hi Ian, I have been a working as a LMT for the last seven years and I find your perspectives on your videos reinforces my notions about massage and bodywork. I think you are dispelling some bad wisdom a lot of us have been taught and helping us to trust our gut and stay open about finding ways to do our most helpful work. Thanks so much.
@Glazefairy
@Glazefairy 7 лет назад
Thank you for explaining this. Current therapist doesn't use "knots", but rather "tightness" & practices myofascial release on me, which helps tremendously!
@elementohsix
@elementohsix 8 лет назад
I lift weights daily and my form is everything to me since I don't want injuries. I always feel good after my workouts. Today I was told I have a lot of knots in my upper back and I was worried, but I wanted to know what "knots" really were. Thank you for making me feel better lol
@tasjanayoung1522
@tasjanayoung1522 8 лет назад
Thank you. I've been practicing massage since I was a teenager and this has never occurred to me before. I will put this into practice immediately.
@peterkleczynski5164
@peterkleczynski5164 8 лет назад
I cannot tell you how much of a relief it is to see this video! I'm a newer massage therapist and since graduating I've becoming increasing suspicious of muscle knots and have been thinking about how to reframe them. It seemed odd to me that EVERYONE SEEMED TO HAVE NINETY PERCENT OF THE SAME KNOTS CURIOUSLY AT POSTURAL MUSCLES! I also had terrible "luck" finding trigger points and in school I wondered if it was a problem with me. I've come to think of postural muscles like knots in ship's rigging, distinct and different from the surrounding "rope" but essential for the body's functioning. It's comforting to see other therapists, especially experienced ones like yourself, having similar ideas! Thanks for the video!
@MassageSloth
@MassageSloth 8 лет назад
+Peter Kleczynski Right on, Peter, I remember having that same (somewhat bewildering) experience myself. 10 years in and I've still never found a palpable trigger point, or any taut bands that aren't present in all of my other clients' muscles. Now, that may mean that my hands are defective, but I've decided not to worry about it :) I can still accomplish plenty through careful communication. Thanks for the comment!
@hami4211
@hami4211 7 лет назад
Massage Sloth yf
@Gringo7475
@Gringo7475 6 лет назад
Peter, since you are a rookie, I'll take a few moments with you. In School did you study the textbooks of Dr Janet Travell and Dr David Simons. If you were not exposed then your education was inferior. What the producer of the above video referred to as knots are trigger points and are very real, very painfully real to those who have them. Look if it doesn't emit pain signal when palpated it is neither a knot nor is it a trigger point. You are out of class, Peter, but please don't close your mind at the cellar of your education. Study NMT/MFR Trigger Point Therapies: apply yourself, become skilled in the location of and elimination of painful, movement-restrictiing myofascial trigger points and you will soon have a backlog of clients who need your help. Look, for myofascial pain what is one to do?-- An MD injects drugs which actually are destructive of ligaments and other connective tissue; a PT "Stretches and Strengthens" a muscle that is tight and painful because it has been overstretched or overstessed; a DC can't help because , well, frankly, most spinal issues are created initially by formation of trigger points in the erectors.. A skillful, intuitive LMT who (unlike Mr Sloth above) does indeed know that trigger points really are NOT "supposed to be there", that they are causing unnecessary pain in thousands of people as we speak.. Study. Don't settle for being less than you can be.
@sharbennappy
@sharbennappy 4 года назад
Thank you. I've been following your advice on this for at least two years now and when I explain to clients what is felt in their anatomy as tight (contracted) muscles or sometimes tendons they tend to be so disappointed that I don't use the term knots. Bless their hearts. So many people have a complex because former therapists have reacted in ways that make them feel as though they are an anomaly.
@LeeLong
@LeeLong 5 лет назад
This mirrors so much of my conversations with Clients about knots! I really appreciate your take on the subject. Especially the part about trigger points!
@jenniferhagan6695
@jenniferhagan6695 7 лет назад
i found this to be very helpful. As a therapist, it's so important to remember how our clients view themselves and the things we say! Thanks for the info!
@Choltschy
@Choltschy 8 лет назад
I've been chasing these points for years of my career, thinking that they are not supposed to be there. Took me close to a decade to figure out through frequent clients i saw weekly that they will never go away, meaning they are like that and not responsible for and not the key to the problems percieved. In the past 5 years i've been calming my clients not to make a big deal of it - these points will be worked on, it'll feel better, but they are not anatomical enemies or villains. Funny to see a fellow therapyst speak out something in a 12 minute video on-line that "i discovered" for myself through trial and error. I say, the mentality of a therapyst has to be constantly open to learn and adapt. Good educational material -> should be generalized and included in the education of new therapysts. Greatings from Spain !
@MassageSloth
@MassageSloth 8 лет назад
+Choltschy Thanks so much! By the way, I love this: "they are not anatomical enemies or villains." Awesome.
@luciaivanovich9195
@luciaivanovich9195 5 лет назад
God sent, Ian, excellent therapist and superior human being - Thank you! God bless you and everybody you love!
@alysha2mcp
@alysha2mcp 5 лет назад
I have been a licensed massage therapist for about 2 years now, and I am so glad I am hearing another therapist describe "knots" this way. I personally believe "knots" are simply areas where the muscles are "holding on for dear life." When my clients ask me to "remove the knots" I begin to describe the difference between a knot and a trigger point. In my opinion, knots do not feel good to work directly but rather need indirect work to bring space to potentially the many muscles effected. A trigger point on the other hand, has a hurt so good sensation. I also describe the excessive pooling of circulation within a trigger point compared to at times a lack of circulation within a "knot." By giving my clients the understanding between a "knot: a bound section of muscle fibers often caused by over flexion or over stretching, traditionally with less circulation and a 'that hurts sensation', and in need of general to specific work" in comparison to a Trigger Point "a referral area with pooled circulation, often a hurt so good pain with a flushing of circulation sensation" Furthermore and once again, I am so happy someone else is describing this concept and I am further confident in my description and discussion between my clients. Educating the client is one of my favorite part of my jobs, and this concept has truly become miss judged. P.S. I have had more than one therapist hack away at my superior angle of the scapula >.< "wow, you got quite the knot there." "Hmmm," I think. No, try working around the area, check in with my scalenes, levator, pecs etc. @Massage Sloth: I have seen two videos of yours this morning and I subscribed. Thank you.
@maribelcantu6085
@maribelcantu6085 Год назад
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@EvaLWW
@EvaLWW 2 года назад
I’m a new LMT (3 months) and the only LMT at my job, so I’m relying a lot on what I learned in school but realizing some of the ways I was taught to communicate with my client doesn’t feel very helpful or useful to them or me. This video is great and has definitely changed how I will communicate moving forward.
@patrickm7727
@patrickm7727 8 лет назад
What a relief to hear you say this! I'm a biology grad student and I'm constantly put off by the ideas and explanations I hear from MT on youtube. Maybe address those "toxins" next :)
@MassageSloth
@MassageSloth 8 лет назад
+Cowherdingjoe joe Aw heck yes. The "toxin" thing needs to be put to bed. Thanks for the kind comment!
@Batya-Grace
@Batya-Grace 5 лет назад
Cowherdingjoe joe, Massage Sloth ...It's called "Toxin" for the affect that knots have on your body and mind, NOT because anyone thinks it's some tumor or cancer growth lol, and we all know that knots are just tight muscles. It's just a slang word.
@MorrisseyMuse
@MorrisseyMuse 5 лет назад
@@Batya-Grace Alot of holistic loonies believe in actual toxins within the body
@berksarioz969
@berksarioz969 4 года назад
@@Batya-Grace Oh no, many people obviously think there are LITERALLY toxins and they spread around your body after massage and you need to drink water to clear out toxins. Maybe, you don't, but don't discount the stupidity of other people.
@jjowansky
@jjowansky 2 года назад
Berk Sarioz what the probably mean is lactic acid, or is that a myth aswell ?
@kariebrooks9044
@kariebrooks9044 2 года назад
yes i'm in an esthetics class and my teacher also told me that these are nots and to work them out of the body. I cannot ask my teacher anything thats why im here. Today i messaged a 70 year old mans back and he said he believed a knot in his back. I wanted to learn more about knots because he wanted me to message so hard this knot out of his back. This gentlemen seems very logical and not full of bs. I get so frustrated with also this false information that teachers are telling us students. Next time i see him i will ask him what he is doing for exercise and encourage him to move more if he doesn't. Thank you very much.
@olbeats6659
@olbeats6659 5 лет назад
The “knots” the “massage therapist” are referring to are muscle cohesions that has built up on old scar tissues. I had a deep tissue massage recently, and the cohesions that were addressed to did help a lot, especially when working out.
@malcolmjelani3588
@malcolmjelani3588 3 года назад
There is no "old scar tissue ".
@KlearChristal
@KlearChristal 3 года назад
@@malcolmjelani3588 There is no "muscle".
@jetu8324
@jetu8324 Год назад
Thank you for this video. I am the lead LMT at a chiropractor’s office and I had a client one day that said she had a 100 knots in her back from all the weight training she had been doing. She had been getting massage by a friend who told her that. After her massage she asked me how many I had found. When I replied that I hadn’t found any she corrected me and said that she did. I said that I believe her friend may have confused the overlapping muscles for knots. She seemed annoyed with my response and never came back again. Unfortunately she trusted her friend over the therapist. I love all the you teach us. Thank you!
@dafricathomas2686
@dafricathomas2686 7 лет назад
Tough love lol. I'm a massage therapist. I agree, if we can tell them what the solutions are instead of stress that they have a complex, that would be great for everyone.
@ginnyhillyer
@ginnyhillyer 8 лет назад
Thank you for this video! I am so relieved because after all this time, I can finally admit, I have NEVER actually felt a trigger point!
@MassageSloth
@MassageSloth 8 лет назад
That is a relief! I went for so long hearing other massage therapists talk about knots and trigger points, and feeling them release... and I wondered if there was something wrong with my hands. Once I started investigating where those "knots" were, they were always bits of anatomy that were supposed to be there!
@Bizzy-Bumble1131
@Bizzy-Bumble1131 4 года назад
I have never felt a knot, only tight muscles!
@DeeperLayers
@DeeperLayers 3 года назад
@@MassageSloth I believe that if I had you feel the multifidus spasms in the lamina groove in the lumbar, you would definitely feel them. And we could do a blind test. I have done that with students. And as I said, a chiropractor with find the vertebrae there subluxated. Our notes correlate nicely. Am I saying that you're wrong about all the nonsense in the profession? No, you are right about that. Especially when they try to 'break the scar tissue' or 'adhesions' and they dont realize that the client's body suffers as they arch back in extreme pain.
@jordansplanet
@jordansplanet 7 лет назад
Excellent video. Thanks. I am in my 9th year in the Massage Therapy profession. One of the first things I did upon graduating was doing my own research and dispelling myths that so many keep perpetuating....the 'knot' thing is one of them. Thank you so much for posting this. Do one on the myth of 'flushing toxins' next please.
@MassageSloth
@MassageSloth 7 лет назад
That's definitely coming up, it's a meme that needs to go. Not only is it physiologically incorrect, there's a weird element of client-blaming ("you should have drunk more water," or "this is your body's natural response to detox") that grinds my gears. Thanks for the kind words!
@Toonces74
@Toonces74 7 лет назад
Thank you! I appreciate the tips on what not to say to clients. I'm still in training so this is really helpful.
@MassageSloth
@MassageSloth 7 лет назад
Glad to hear it!
@nancylee6893
@nancylee6893 7 лет назад
Oh how I love you because I learned all that you are introducing by palpation on my own in 17 years of hands on experience.NOT from massage school. I looked it all up myself after thousands of paid clients wanting me to work on the tendon area.
@hibiscusangel7376
@hibiscusangel7376 8 лет назад
Thank u! I hear clients all the time at the spots u mentioned. I always tell them it's part of their anatomy --they want me to get rid of knots but I will be using ur way of telling them that it can be changed. Thank u again ! And I usually don't say trigger points around them becuz they would believe they have it and tell other practitioners or even their own doctor
@ne444104
@ne444104 7 лет назад
I'm a LMT n I've been saying the same thing in my head for yrs n when client ask, I basically say it's tight muscle, I word not ANNOYS me, This guy does good job explaining!
@foundationsmedicalinformat2420
Incredible video! Seeing a massage therapist who seems to put Science first is truly refreshing. :)
@Batya-Grace
@Batya-Grace 5 лет назад
Foundations Medical Informatics .....knots is a slang medical term for tight muscles. It's the same thing. No one thinks it's some tumor.
@daytonasayswhat9333
@daytonasayswhat9333 5 лет назад
@@Batya-Grace What?
@MorrisseyMuse
@MorrisseyMuse 5 лет назад
@@Batya-Grace that's kinda what this vid is telling you..lol
@yengsabio5315
@yengsabio5315 5 лет назад
@@Batya-Grace Medical slang? Is there such a thing?
@DeeperLayers
@DeeperLayers 3 года назад
@@yengsabio5315 yep. look up 'idiopathic'
@shenaniganez
@shenaniganez 7 лет назад
I was helping my cousin move. I felt overheated and lethargic. my cousin's gf worked at a massage therapy office. she had me lay on my stomach and worked out some painful knots. after she was done I fell asleep and woke up feeling 100 % better. maybe the massage worked out the tight painful knots and k relaxed enough to nap idk but I believe in masages now.
@glcnornes3783
@glcnornes3783 7 лет назад
Our tutor who was also a physiotherapist explained muscle knots in the following way: Imagine your muscle fibres (holds fingers so that each finger is inserted into the space between the opposite hands fingers) and when you exercise or strain these muscle fibres, even with daily activity, small tears occur... (fingers lift up) these are normal and fix themselves (fingers down), but sometimes they don't position themselves correctly again (overlaps some fingers over the top of each other) and this is when knots occur and much like a knot you get in your hair, it will need worked on in order to be encouraged into it's correct position again (wiggles fingers free and back into the original position). Just like trying to brush hair with knots... you will have referred pain elsewhere at the origin and insertion points, it's like a labyrinth for the blood to get through these knots so this is why Neuro-muscular technique is pretty effective for encouraging increased blood flow to these areas with of tight knots and weakness. (He also said the tears in the muscle fibres are what makes lactic acid escape and cause DOMS when enough is released). This was during the sports massage course I took the year 2007-2008... I have been basically repeating versions of this to clients who have asked what knots are because it made a lot of sense :'(
@ashleyfalcon125
@ashleyfalcon125 6 лет назад
Gina Coyle Nornes don’t be sad, I think that is an amazing way of explaining it! Don’t listen to some guy on RU-vid over training you paid a lot of money for and was provided to you via an actual real life accredited physiotherapist. Plz don’t undermine that seemingly fabulous training for this guy & his conspiracy theories and such. Sounds to me like you received good skills. Keep it up!
@RoloTheRiddler
@RoloTheRiddler 6 лет назад
Hi, do you know if this is explained in any textbooks anywhere? I have very recently started doing a Swedish Massage course & am shocked at the lack of scientific information surrounding massage & complementary therapies. I used to be a Scientist & normally can find textbooks/popular science books on nearly everything. I was considering studying Sports Massage as this seems the most 'scientific' of all the massage types/styles but as I am very new to all this I am unsure of where to go next. Any type of resource/advise would be helpful.
@Darthvhagar
@Darthvhagar 5 лет назад
As someone starting massage school soon and having a research background, this is the channel I need. Thank you!!
@audreyray1983
@audreyray1983 6 лет назад
Using the term knot is almost just a resignation for how deeply ingrained the misinformation is in this industry. I don't personally like to label or fix clients. I enjoy co-creating a beneficial experience of the releasing of that which is ready to release physically and energetically. I love this video. Thank you for sharing the description of muscle fibers. And, especially research that supports your statements. Very validating. Keep up the good work. I am now a subscriber. 🙏❤
@jasonmh
@jasonmh 5 лет назад
This is such a good video because it highlights the importance of being educated about the area you're working on.
@Vortex1283
@Vortex1283 7 лет назад
Thank you. I learned so much. I'm a new massage therapist. My teacher would talk about these area as "trigger points", and say that we should work to get rid of them unless they were bilateral and therefore structural. I like your theory better, as I have been failing to make any of them go away. You have just enlightened me to trust my instincts rather than take what I learned in school to be gospel. I will look forward to checking out more of your videos.
@MassageSloth
@MassageSloth 7 лет назад
Right on Tim! It took me a long time before I started trusting my clinical judgment and instincts rather than conventional wisdom, so you've got a good head start :)
@LAHill
@LAHill Год назад
Wish I could find a massage therapist like you, I’m reading your book at the moment love it 🥰
@geoffreyhuckabay583
@geoffreyhuckabay583 7 лет назад
Ian, this was an excellent video. I appreciate your restructuring how to language this in a way that empowers the client. I also appreciate you explaining where there are places that could feel like knots. I learned a lot ♡
@heleneillston4197
@heleneillston4197 7 лет назад
I hate hearing when clients tell me that their other therapist told them they have all these knots. I totally agree with him about those muscle structures. I try to give my clients easy to remember movement exercises that they can do at their work stations to help their muscles stay more fluid. Thanks for the great video.
@vice8063
@vice8063 8 лет назад
"Get more massages from people who don't give you a complex." 👍 instant like lol great video. Thanks for sharing oxoxo
@Batya-Grace
@Batya-Grace 5 лет назад
Tora's Behavioral Fitness .....Complex over what? We all know that knots are tight muscles, not some tumor or cancer growth. He's only playing a semantics game. Knots is a slang medical term for tight muscles. It's the same thing.
@kodiererg
@kodiererg 5 лет назад
Nice. I never thought about the word knots, but this makes sense.
@marymedinas1111
@marymedinas1111 3 года назад
A complex???? Im not correlating that at all to what he said here. Are we offended that someone told us we have tight muscles now?
@rosemarylappin2188
@rosemarylappin2188 7 лет назад
Watched this video ages ago. It changed my thinking about muscle tention and knots. A lot of my clients say oh that's a big knot I say no now it's just tight muscle tention. Thank you for sharing!!
@MassageSloth
@MassageSloth 7 лет назад
That's good to hear, Rosemary, and I appreciate you letting me know!
@DianeZyrix
@DianeZyrix 8 лет назад
Thank you so much for this! It is so frustrating to me every time clients or even my coworkers try to fight the client's anatomy instead of learning and feeling amused by it. The notion of a "perfect body" with no "knots" just comes from a lack of knowledge. People should learn a bit more about their own bodies from school!
@MassageSloth
@MassageSloth 8 лет назад
+Dii “Diitective” Zyrix I love the idea of "feeling amused" by the body. Going in with a sense of curiosity and wonderment can do powerful things for both client and therapist alike. Thanks for the great comment!
@laurahackney7596
@laurahackney7596 5 лет назад
I am glad that I read some of the comments. Because it all seems silly to me. I have been an LMT for 30 years. Tight muscles, muscle knots, muscal tension to me not that big of a deal. Now to say be careful what you say to your clients, that is relevant. And reminding LMT’s to be mindful of what they’re saying To their clients and how their clients might interpret what you’re saying. Is helpful. Especially for the new LMT‘s. But mostly what you’re saying is just common sense. Because I’ve done this work for 30 years a lot of clients I referred to me because they do have problems that need tending to and they’ve already tried many things that either haven’t helped or have only partially helped. They could care less what I call things, they just want to be better. But I do see from the comments below that this information is helpful to newbies or more intellectually wired people.
@gwendolyncheong8889
@gwendolyncheong8889 7 лет назад
I'm an LMT and shit you opened my eyes. I needed this. I'm saving this video as a reminder. I didn't even realize that those spots that has bumps were tendons. Thank you so much.
@mrtendollarman6157
@mrtendollarman6157 4 года назад
In most people i see, the insertion of levator is almost fibrotic. If you dont go hard there its impossible to have results. The next day ( and probably for the next 72hours) yes, its going to be sore, but thats the goal because you will trigger the regeneration mechanism. The body will identify that as a wounds and will heal it back to its normal form. My English sucks but i think you guys got the point.
@giga9955
@giga9955 5 лет назад
“If you have tight postural muscles and don’t have pain, there’s nothing wrong with you...” As a PT the amount of clients I deal with that suffer with a kyphosis is very frequent. It is not ‘no problem.’ It is as it nearly always is causing issues across different areas of the body or linking into issues further down the line and should be corrected.
@mariusmyhre7594
@mariusmyhre7594 4 года назад
Perhaps you get the few people who actually have symptoms related to their postural "tightness"? And that most other people out there, with the same exact posture, is pain-free?
@DeeperLayers
@DeeperLayers 3 года назад
@@mariusmyhre7594 not 'few'. In my 32 years as a massage therapist, I have had ONE client without any muscle spasms in their back. The fact that we are all contracted, makes it 'normal' as in 'the norm', but not 'natural'. I wish scientists started understanding that it's not scientific to confuse those two
@malcolmjelani3588
@malcolmjelani3588 3 года назад
He is a massage therapist not an MD. He's basically saying don't play doctor.
@pm11237
@pm11237 8 лет назад
Thanks for this video Ian! Just started working at a spa and many clients have said "my back is full of knots!" or "I like a lot of pressure on my knots to get rid of them" and I just do my best to work those muscles out. Love METs. Believe the general public has been conditioned to believe massage is painful (Deep Tissue *blows raspberry*) or that the only way to get rid of 'adhesions' is to press and pump on them. You mentioned possibly teaching a CE course, I live in Tampa, I'll gladly come up to Pensacola. :-) Have a good one buddy! Massage Lazy!
@MassageSloth
@MassageSloth 8 лет назад
+Marlene P. Ha, thanks so much, Marlene! You should join us on Facebook: facebook.com/massagesloth/ That's where I blog, and if I start up any courses, that's where I'll write about it!
@pm11237
@pm11237 8 лет назад
Consider it done! Even invited some fellow MTs to like and follow your page. Have a great week Ian!
@Laura_Birdy
@Laura_Birdy 7 лет назад
Thank you so much for this video! I studied at the Swedish Institute in New York and my professors have ALWAYS stated the same thing you're video states, there is no such things as "knots". They demonstrated that what can happen is that the muscle fibers can over lap, due to whatever the mechanical body habits clients have or injury to the muscles. And I never use the word knots around my clients. I find that I'm always giving a quick lesson after a session whenever a client ask me if I found "knots"! Will be posting this video on my personal page because I'd love for more people to understand what that word really entails. Thanks again! Very informative!!
@MassageSloth
@MassageSloth 7 лет назад
Thanks so much, Laura!
@LindseyBradbury-n9g
@LindseyBradbury-n9g Год назад
This is great thank you!! I am a movement therapy coach and an RMT and i tell my clients all the time that massage won't be the answer to solving the chronic pain issues in muscles. I lose clients because they just want the massage and me just massaging them enables their belief that massage or other external modalities will "fix" their problems.
@lindaearthangel2796
@lindaearthangel2796 8 лет назад
Thank you so much Ian! You are such an amazing teacher!! I learn so much from your videos out of anyone else on RU-vid in the massage arena. Keep on shining and doing what you love. It shows and you are a true inspiration to me as a fellow therapist. :)
@RaiderTatum
@RaiderTatum 7 лет назад
Always clear with what you discuss and helps people like me that grab onto the "catch" phrases and wins debates when I should be debunked. Thank you - Jon
@thisjawnjrawling545
@thisjawnjrawling545 6 лет назад
Wow this was really eye opening and helpful. It was a great conversation piece with the other therapists in my clinic. Please keep it up and thank you
@shannanigans1373
@shannanigans1373 3 года назад
Mr. Harvey, thank you for your videos. I think you've given better education than my current massage instructors.
@GlitchedLink1
@GlitchedLink1 8 лет назад
Thank you so much for this video. You are a candle in the darkness of pseudoscience.
@Batya-Grace
@Batya-Grace 5 лет назад
Crusades Nuclear Bombs ...Calling tight muscles knots is not a pseudoscience. The word knots is just a slang word. We all know it's not some tumor lmaoooo.
@arianelockwood5364
@arianelockwood5364 7 лет назад
He is so right about the pain during and after them working the "knots." I usually have to put a heating pad on my shoulders afterwards. I always wondered if it was my body being messed up cause I stand for long periods of time. thanks for the info. ☺
@massagetherapyinstructor6037
@massagetherapyinstructor6037 7 лет назад
Oh, THANK YOU for this! I will be sharing your link with my classes. I preach to my students to take the word "knot" out of their vocabulary. They then go on to hear the word being used by other LMT'S and come back and ask why other people are still using it. I tell them it's an inherited term that is antiquated and encourage them to not continue the use of the word, at least as it relates to the muscles!
@MassageSloth
@MassageSloth 7 лет назад
Right on, teach! I'm glad your students have you :)
@Batya-Grace
@Batya-Grace 5 лет назад
Massage Therapy Instructor ....Please, stop already! We all know that knots are tight muscles. It's the same thing. It's just a slang word. No one thinks that knots are some tumor LmAO. Stop playing your semantics game.
@thomaslaine979
@thomaslaine979 7 лет назад
Knot is not a negative word. Especially when you eliminate it. That is the problem. Most massage therapists don't do what it takes! My teachers said that they had to clear the room of negative energy after a massage. There is no such thing! There is only potential and kinetic energy. I have found that I am on the edge if my seat until my client releases. Then we BOTH let go. The only negative is if you don't get them to let go.
@lemonlemonster
@lemonlemonster 8 лет назад
This is a great video, but I'm still struggling to figure out the right language to use. Simple, yet very complicated, questions such as "What's that?!" or "Why does there hurt?" often leave me struggling to find the most appropriate response. Is there even a succinct way to explain what they may be feeling to a client that doesn't take the entire session? Is there a correct term for specific spots that hurt that don't have any referral areas? Also (and maybe this is a stupid question and I'm totally forgetting this from school) WHY does that area hurt when pressure is put on it? Is it anything beyond just the body's way of telling you that area needs attention?
@DIrizarry07
@DIrizarry07 5 лет назад
Thank you. I was always hesitant of telling clients they have knots. Usually, they'll just say they do and I'll agree. Now, I'll feel more confident with letting them know they're just tense!
@ms.mommie6985
@ms.mommie6985 6 лет назад
I recently finished physical therapy and have very painful issues with all the points you mentioned. I was told I have knots. I have cervical degenerative disc and was given 5 trigger point shots by a pain management Dr. that did absolutely NOTHING! I wish I could get a session with someone like you.
@nelltaylor8086
@nelltaylor8086 7 лет назад
I was looking for simple techniques to help my fiance with his upper back and shoulder tension. this has helped ALOT . Thanks !
@michellemcmanus0191
@michellemcmanus0191 5 лет назад
My massage tutor taught me that a muscle knot was an actual knot and now I feel so embarrassed that I've been telling my clients this 🤦 She said that your muscles are all made up of tiny strings of fibres and that when you have poor posture or a traumer they literally knot and twist together and you have to grind them to "iron " them out! Why aren't we being taught correctly???
@ninjakwoww3745
@ninjakwoww3745 5 лет назад
Michelle Mcmanus0 I have a biology degree and trust me this guy it’s 100% correct they can’t actually knot like what a normal person would imagine a knot to be. Whenever people have said this to me I could never understand what they meant due to my science background and how that could be physically possible! I feel bad you were taught the wrong thing when you were obviously just trying to increase ur knowledge and be better at your job
@boab69y2k
@boab69y2k 3 года назад
It's hard to get good soild information that are based on rubust research and experience. Don't be embarrassed this happens to everyone - misinformation is everywhere. I thought similar to you prior to this video.
@Crybaby_Club
@Crybaby_Club 8 лет назад
Thank you Mr Harvey, this video was excellent. I experience jaw pain, ear pain, neck pain and headaches along with tinnitus. All the pains you can think of in the SCM control area. I hadn't heard of the SCM muscle before this last Friday but when I read about it it made everything I had been experiencing make sense. Once I realised it was this dang muscle that was the cause of all my ailments I was able to change my habits to suit and I am now less stressed because I have a cause for it and it's something I can control. Now I changed my posture and pay attention to the SCM muscle my tinnitus has decreased drastically. This was a great video because you talk about it with a lot of assurance. You're calm and you do not want to fool or alarm your patients. It's great to know there are professionals out there who recognise the importance of the sternocleidomastoid muscle and have their patients beats interests at heart.
@MassageSloth
@MassageSloth 8 лет назад
+ASMRWhisperLight. Glad to hear that you've found some relief for your tinnitus! Sometimes all it takes is a little awareness of your body. If you'd like to see a self-massage video for the SCM, here's an old and embarrassing one I made a few years ago :) ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ZZm7TufhmbM.html Thanks for commenting!
@Crybaby_Club
@Crybaby_Club 8 лет назад
+Massage Sloth Thanks for the heads up, I'll def check it out.
@Chagosaquarium
@Chagosaquarium 2 года назад
Thank you for this! I’m in my first spa job and trying to figure stuff like this out, especially in communicating with clients, being effective at work, and leaving the client satisfied. I felt like my client maybe should have felt totally relieved of his upper back tightness after his session and he wasn’t... sometimes it takes more to create that change...?
@MassageSloth
@MassageSloth 2 года назад
Yep, think of the months and years that the client spent creating their current corporeal conditions. Those aches and pains are built on habits, daily routines, and even their unique anatomy. Thinking that we could erase pain/sensitivity/tightness in a single session is asking a lot, especially when they'll return to those habits the moment they step out of the office! I prefer to think of my work as one of many forces which can inform the body and nervous system about a comfortable new equilibrium. I provide massage as an analgesic stimulus on a regular basis, and I'm always ready to act as a cheerleader for other pain-reducing and function-promoting changes to their routines. Got pain from your desk job? Let's talk ergonomics, and start a routine of regular movement breaks. Thinking of doing yoga or PT? I'm all for it. Need a recommendation for a personal trainer? I know just the people. So, I think of massage, especially regular massage, as a useful piece of the larger puzzle of a comfortable and functional life. We can be the weekly reminder that the body is capable of feeling good and standing tall, and we can be the pebble that starts the landslide of healthy change. No miraculous recoveries needed! They do happen on occasion, but relief from chronic pain is MUCH more frequently a process of progress, relapse, plateaus, and more progress, with gradual change happening over many months. Expect it, embrace it, and don't let it psych you out. (and a satisfied client is the gold standard, so you get an A+)
@marciab1279
@marciab1279 3 года назад
This is really good to know. Thank you for this video. I’ve been going around for the last few weeks telling people how “knotted up” I am because I don’t get massages on a regular basis. I had one masseuse tell me while she was giving massage that I had so many knots . “You were just so knotted up....oh my goodness, you are just really so tight, blah blah blah”. I mean she would not shut up about it. I never went back to her because she really got on my nerves with that.
@MassageSloth
@MassageSloth 3 года назад
Yeah, I'm fine learning new things about my body, but like... I've had MTs tell me about my "huge knots" and I'm able to reach up and palpate my shoulder, and all I feel is normal anatomy! I think it's just part of their schtick. You asked in another comment why so many MTs and PTs use the term, and I think it's because they've gotten positive reinforcement for doing so. Clients seem eager to hear about their knots, and are more likely to be on board for treatment if there's an enemy to attack. After trying other language and getting less of a response, a lot of professionals wind up using what people respond to rather than what's most accurate or least stigmatizing. And yeah, some people go way overboard and it's all they talk about!
@michaeldooley5331
@michaeldooley5331 8 лет назад
Is the term "adhesions" synonymous with knots? In massage school clinical s I was so proud of myself for charting about adhesion's being released. I made sure everyone had them!
@MassageSloth
@MassageSloth 8 лет назад
+Michael Dooley Dang, I really wish I had touched on that during the video! I do feel like "adhesions" has become the more sciencey-sounding replacement for "knots." Stuff feel gristly and weird? Adhesion. Lumpy mass that I can't identify? Adhesion. This is a concept that, while physiologically plausible, is probably inappropriately used most of the time. If two formerly sliding surfaces do become adhesed via scar tissue, there's no way we're "releasing" anything :) Good question, I definitely need to touch on it in a video soon! Also: "I made sure everyone had them!" Too true, I've been there :)
@michaeldooley5331
@michaeldooley5331 8 лет назад
Thanks!
@aquarianhealer
@aquarianhealer 8 лет назад
+Massage Sloth Touch on that!! Too funny. Where have you been all this time? I've found my new mentor. You are very good at this and your clients are gems...I would be shaking on the table suppressing giggles at some of your terminology (kite, lumpy, bumpy, funky, two heads). "Back mouse" this is the 1st time i've heard this one...I like fatty tumor haha. I sure hope my clients don't find you. I wish the "unprofessional" massage videos didn't feed through here. UGH
@perfectday777
@perfectday777 7 лет назад
Michael Dooley Adhesions is scar tissue. Make sure that when you are charting something, it's accurate, true, and that you are not diagnosing outside of your scope of practice. The chart is a legal document.
@nancylee6893
@nancylee6893 7 лет назад
Good question about the word adhesion. I use it quite often to give the client what they want to hear. Thanks to this lecture I will not use that term anymore.
@karenpacheco9125
@karenpacheco9125 6 лет назад
Thank you, the knot comment drives me nuts from my clients who over heard it and co-workers!!! Thanks for clarifying and educating everyone.
@AndeePandCompany
@AndeePandCompany 6 лет назад
Wait what!? No such thing as “knots”!? I feel like my whole life has been a lie! 😂
@thomaslaine979
@thomaslaine979 7 лет назад
I am also an opera singer. I told a great teacher of mine about this concept of getting energy myself when my client had a release and he said that he knew what I meant. He said that when he was waiting for me to grasp a concept, he was on the edge of his seat. But when I got it, he would relax, too.
@nikkimarie2703
@nikkimarie2703 7 лет назад
I disagree with you when you say to not tell them if they have a trigger point. You need to tell them so that they know what to expect when you start to work on it. Trigger points can be uncomfortable and painful to work on. It can refer pain throughout your body. Educating your client is so importsnt and I think keeping them in the dark can actually be a bad thing. (Yes, I am a LMT)
@kyzerchief
@kyzerchief Год назад
YES! 👏 I never tell my clients they have knots. When they notice the "thumping" and say its a knot . I tell them it's a muscle or tendon attachment and it's totally normal.
@mattzilla331
@mattzilla331 8 лет назад
Clients usually use the term knots and then will say something about "breaking them up" I tell them a knot is really just a portion of the muscle stuck in contraction and it isn't literally a knot like what you would find in a string. and that pounding on it doesn't fix the problem. you have to address WHY they form.
@Ausnapify
@Ausnapify 7 лет назад
Matt Richards just call it a knot & be done with it.
@johndibert5509
@johndibert5509 7 лет назад
Matt Richards a
@nikkimarie2703
@nikkimarie2703 7 лет назад
You just described a trigger point. Which is what a "knot" really is
@محمدیعقوبی-خ7س
@محمدیعقوبی-خ7س 6 лет назад
Superman
@Teenieweeniemussolini
@Teenieweeniemussolini 6 лет назад
But he just said that what you are telling them is wrong. Lsten to what he says about trigger points again, because that is exactly what you are describing, just without using that term
@shannonb7263
@shannonb7263 8 лет назад
As always, great video. Thanks for doing these. They are a great resource for not only MTs, but everyone!
@RBCraneGongfu
@RBCraneGongfu 8 лет назад
Often massage therapists will include alternative medecine theory into their curriculum - the biggest massage school in quebec city requires mandatory reiki sessions... So it's awesome that you are MUCH more scientific in your approach.
@laurawalker8482
@laurawalker8482 7 лет назад
Milky Lamb There's no relationship between Reiki and the incorrect use of the term 'knots'.
@nicollevelez8149
@nicollevelez8149 6 лет назад
I saw your photo and instantly liked - love lambs! But the reiki idea is super cool, some people like that combination of serenity, massage and good vibes. Other prefer technical massage but love the option!
@zainshaikh527
@zainshaikh527 6 лет назад
Reiki is an actual thing though.....don't be a moron pulling in a random subject with a non technical term just used for a lack of a better one. Watch the video and you'll maybe comprehend what I'm trying to explain to you
@realdeal7074
@realdeal7074 5 лет назад
I love your voice, it's calming and soothing. Gentle hands. It's good to see someome who knows what their doing!
@eileenmonaghan5180
@eileenmonaghan5180 8 лет назад
great video as always. I dint user the term knots and will do my best to correct people when they say it but loved the specific info on the areas mts usually overwork.
@oliviarinaldi5963
@oliviarinaldi5963 6 лет назад
I really like your videos and the way you present. You are so cool and NOT at all condescending. I especially like that about you. I'm trying to learn as much as I can so I can do this for my husband. Your videos are very helpful. Thank you for your hard work.
@Sunshine-ci6rf
@Sunshine-ci6rf 4 года назад
"If that's true, why even say anything? I don't know" HAHAHAHAHAHAHHA YEEESSSS
@adeliachamberlain7367
@adeliachamberlain7367 8 лет назад
Thank you very for great clarification of knots and muscle structure - love your videos - Genius!👍🏾
@professorsymbols234
@professorsymbols234 7 лет назад
That was lovely and informative. Thank you for being so specific but gentile.
@thomasmonroe149
@thomasmonroe149 7 лет назад
Thank you very much.. I spend a lot of time working on my own back and shoulders.. "bear scratching against sharp corners to get that deep tissue.have serious issues with my shoulder. If you could do a video like this that solely depicts areas to work on and how to get to them, in regards to the scapula and into the shoulder, you would forever be my hero.
@jpodobnik
@jpodobnik 8 лет назад
If I use the word "knot" in my SOAP notes or describing something, BEATINGS occur! (not really, but just for dramatic effect). These things could also be calcium deposits or adipose deposits. The older you get, the more chance of having them...(old and loaded with them). Nice Job!
@tscullion777
@tscullion777 8 лет назад
I see clients with this view of themselves all the time. A prior therapist scared them into thinking they are cursed, and must be dealt with! ha! Great video, and it needed to be said. Also, I've been searching for what the "mouse" actually is for a few years, and you finally were the one who knows what it is, yay! thanks again...you are one go to source for me and my practice.
@MassageSloth
@MassageSloth 8 лет назад
+Tori Scullion Thanks so much, Tori!
@rachelgawn7122
@rachelgawn7122 8 лет назад
As a client - THANK YOU!!! This is a HUGE help in understanding!
@justinthematrix
@justinthematrix 7 лет назад
Thanks for keeping it real
@LotusLady
@LotusLady 8 лет назад
THANK YOU!!! So many clients ask me during their massage, "Is that a knot?" And I normally tell them, no, not a knot. But your muscle is a little tight. It's normal. We will just try to relax it. They definitely have the word KNOT at the front of their mind whenever whenever describing any pain. I tend to shy away from that word as best I can. If they insist, which they normally do, I leave it alone. LOL
@MassageSloth
@MassageSloth 8 лет назад
+Miss Mash I agree with every bit of that :) First, with trying to normalize the feeling rather than pathologizing it. And second... if they're in love with the concept, I won't fight them on it. I'll just try not to plant any new mental knots!
@Batya-Grace
@Batya-Grace 5 лет назад
Lotus Lady .....Knot and tight muscle is the same thing. It's just a slang medical term. Nothing to be afraid of, or shy away from.
@gabrielkicks2346
@gabrielkicks2346 7 лет назад
Wow sound amazing , would love to get a massage from you , because you know what your doing , most people that do massage do more wrong then to do right and then tend to make my back to have more inflammation in certain part of my back muscles , this was a very helpful video . Thanks for sharing
@mizucallow1662
@mizucallow1662 7 лет назад
Wow this guy is cool. I'm glad a professional is calling the industry out on its bs. It relieves my frustration a little bit.
@jonathanorillo8721
@jonathanorillo8721 8 лет назад
Where I'm from muscle knots are referred to as "panuhot" (Pah-nu-hut ).
@KrisKev08
@KrisKev08 7 лет назад
haplasi lng ang panuhot!
@christiancarlocasas6140
@christiancarlocasas6140 6 лет назад
lamig
@wm0104
@wm0104 7 лет назад
100% correct!!! My massage therapists tells me I have bad knots every time I go!! I took it literally that she was working out the knots and breaking them down!!
@boscopit
@boscopit 8 лет назад
very interesting. I got a friend that does this for a living. She always says I have knots. I'm gonna send her this video. Ha
@boscopit
@boscopit 8 лет назад
H oî
@codyshelton1405
@codyshelton1405 7 лет назад
H oî, I'm Temmie
@boscopit
@boscopit 7 лет назад
Weird. Not sure how that happened. She said that she knows the difference and that I need to stretch more.
@aubrey.asmr.
@aubrey.asmr. 7 лет назад
Nathan Justice maybe she means you need to make more appointments with her 😂 kidding! Hope all your "knots" are nice and relaxed 🙂
@lonnietaylor4992
@lonnietaylor4992 7 лет назад
Jklj
@asmitachatterjee5146
@asmitachatterjee5146 7 лет назад
You're too sweet...you don't need to clarify and justify your explanation so much...you are an expert and a professional...we trust you! :D
@MassageSloth
@MassageSloth 7 лет назад
I appreciate that, Asmita :)
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