@@dgaming9791 i think Tiny Box Tim might be a far cousin of mine. I think they were created at a different cardboard factory, but one owned by the same company as the company that owns the factory I was created.
A really cool video would be comparing the different ways to make resources, meaning things like: Plastic; dreckos vs polymer press, Oxylite; oxylite refinery vs dense pufts, and even some like lime; eggshells vs fossils vs pokeshell molts.
I'm sure it could be done, but realistically, basically every option would fall under "NICHE/LIMITED" category. So there's really no point. If all you want to know is numbers crunched efficiency, you can just google that. But every method has it's pros and cons. Those are things that each colony is going to have to decide on a case by case basis. . - Do you have a ton of oil and water for oil resevoirs, and enough tame hydrogen for cool room, and a cooling system setup? Then use polymer press. Do you have a lot of dupes and not mind extra consistent manual labor shearing, or maybe you are just early game and want quicker, easier to access to plastic? Then Dreckos can be a great source of plastic. Or maybe even a mixture of both, with the dreckos helping you transition into a nice polymer press setup. - Do you have an overflow of power, a gold volcano for endless gold, and systems in place to deal with extra heat? Then use an oxylite refinery, they are like 5% more efficient purely in oxygen to oxylite conversion. Do you have limited gold? Or maybe an excess of oxygen mid game and don't mind stockpiling oxylite a bit more slowly through mid game? Then use dense pufts. Dense pufts also add food, which can in some cases, kill two birds with one stone for your colony. - Do you have a lot of ranches focused on egg production? Egg shells can be a great source of lime. Do you have a lot of fossil on your map? Then use it to make lime... can't really use it for much else. Are you using pokeshells to consume polluted dirt/slime or have a large excess of food that you could let spoil to feed pokeshells? Then might as well also use their shells for lime. . The point is that it's pretty much all viable depending on the type of colony you are running and the resources you have access to/are not using too much of already. Generally speaking, following intended game mechanics, automated machinery will always outperform anything else in pure efficiency. This is at the cost of power, which on most maps is renewable. But intelligent automation and use of game mechanics can make critter production of these goods quite effective. And for minimal energy input.
So Happy to see you back, I basically learned to play this game watching from your tutorials. I would like to see you doing a video about ranching, if i'm not mistaken you didn't have one 100% focused on that like you had with other things such as power, oxygen, food, etc... I'd like to see you talk about the monsters you like the most and the ones you think are a waste of time/resources.
You're right, I had it on my list of things to do for a little while, but never got to it. I'll make a video about this (not sure exactly in what style) soon!
i love the infectious polluted oxygen vent, its a great way to make clay, just put two doors made of uranium ore on either side of it, a layer of airflow tiles, mesh tiles with a liquid in them so the polluted oxygen cant penetrate then a layer of deodorizers, lock it in and with auto sweepers and a source of sand you have tons of clay for no work
Good point! I guess that explains part of why I never saw much value - a lot of my oxygen production in the mid-game comes from polluted water/oxygen, so I always have a silly amount of clay on hand.
The sulfur geyser is much more useful than you might think. It lets you support several dozen grubgrubs to boost your gardens. It's an amazing boost to pip planted farms.
A video I'd like to see are the different food options with wild crop farming (specifically using pips to plant.) I always seem to fall back on ranching for long term food but I think on my current run I want to do crops. I'm pretty good with temperature mitigation so I won't have to worry about accidentally cooking them.
I would like to see so.e spaced out rocket designs for different needs/parts of the game. There is just so much to think about with sustaining dupes without the home world infrastructure and limited space.
Glad to see your back with lots of great content! My only reason why folks would be slightly above other good metals would be because they are the only metals which improve buildings by 50% decor bonus, which only niobium matches.
Also, gold has another use now in that it can get used for making bleachstone, along with salt. Additionally, all refined metals (from say metal volcanoes) can now can get used to feed plug slugs.
Chlorine gas vent can get used to feed squeaky pufts. Since squeaky pufts emit bleach stone, one then has a renewable source of bleach stone for waterweed, hand sanitizers, hot tubs, and geotuners for water type geysers. So, a chlorine gas vent provides material for food, oxygen, and/or cleaning!
been playing oni for a while but i do not have the brain for a lot of the mechanics. your videos have been ESSENTIAL in trying to figure out the game. if you're up for it i would v much love and appreciate an explanation/guide on space travel? i prefer spaced out bc it seems more simplified to me (the height restriction/calculation i could never figure out). but i still struggle making it efficient/fairly easy to put together. often i spend dozens of hours dedicated to setting it up only to give up partway through and cheat ahaha adore your videos they make the game v accessible to those who don't naturally get their head wrapped around the many many moving parts in the mechanics of oni 💛
I will definitely cover spaced out in a full walkthrough! Not sure exactly when, but there have been a lot of requests for space travel specifically. I'll bump it up the list!
I quite like the Co2 geyser for cheap cooling especially early game, early rockets too if you don't have any coal generators as you still haven't triggered super sustainable
I agree everything you said. I use the chlorine gas vent for my Prince Pufts and the infectious polluted oxygen vent to produce clay or food for my Pufts. The Leaky oil fissure alone i think is not enough to power the petrol/ethanol generator, I'm trying to do an experiment regarding using both petroleum and ethanol to see if I have enough energy for machinery that needs more power to run such Thermo Acquatuner or Molecular Forge. By the way, your videos are very useful, good job.
Cool video! Would you please make a tier list for world seeds from any of your runs? I'd like something that is newbie-friendly because I've been struggling to get into plastic all this time. Thank you!
I like your ranking. I think I would end with the same one. Now, taming volcanos is a rite of passage in this game. With a bit of experience, it becomes quite easy so I don't think I ever do a run without taming every volcanos I find. I mean, all metal get used somewhere and really, I'm still find accomplishment in taming them so part of the fun and useful to. Also, if you play Spaced Out it's often the best way to get Igneous Rock. In the same fashion, you are right the Neodium volcano is not practical, but so far I always find one in Spaced Out and I consider taming it part of my run. It's hard and that gives me a sense of accomplishment every time. There are some builds in this game that I find fun to do even if there are not really needed like a SPOM or a Petrolium Boiller, but I have fun making them and improving / optimizing them every time. As for request, I really liked your ways of solving game problem like cooling your base with set of pools and ice. You have ways of thinking of designs that are simple to do yet very reliable. I wonder if you had the opportunity of discover some new ones or refine some of your old build during your time away from RU-vid. I looking forward to a Spaced Out play through to see how you will manage rockets and shipping between asteroids. In any cases, thanks for the ranking and once again, welcome back.
Thanks for sticking around! I will be doing Spaced Out runs at some point, I'm still not confident in all of my processes yet, and I feel like it takes me too long to finish a run, so I must still not be doing something right.
You can use geotuner to extract crude oil from leakly oil fissure with high enough temperature to turn it into petroleum. So, you can have a geyser for petroleum!
@@Magnet_MD Since you answered, I checked the numbers again and it's actually not that ideal :( According to the Wiki, the leaky oil fissure outputs oil at 326.85 C and you can have up to 5 geotuners per geyser that increases the oil temperature by 75 C in total (15 C each). So you end up with 401.85 C meaning you need to heat it by 1 C to turn it into petroleum at 402.85 C. The advantage is that you use abyssalite for this geyser in geotuner which you should have a lot. Just one Celsius degree, but you need an additional heater operating at high temperatures! Without niobium (thermo aquatuner) or magma or liquid metals it may be difficult, although, you can move all of them with the pitcher pump and with a clever contraption you won't need to pay much attention to it. I'd like to see something like this in action :)
Disagree with Gold volcano as it should be at the top (or at least at the front of the Good row). Reason being, Gold's low thermal capacity makes it the easiest volcano to tame. In principle it requires no mechanisms of any kind, just a bit of clever water management. With excess of Gold the building of anything that requires refined metal but not extreme heat handling will never be an issue, ever. All the power cables, and all the automation, metal tiles, power room tuning, atmo suits/docks, oxylite & bleachstone production, etc. Oh yeah, Decor bonus of +50% ! From Wiki: "Gold Volcanoes tend not to be problematic compared to other metal volcanoes because molten gold, due to its low SHC, does not contain nearly as much heat as other liquid metals. Duplicants can carry freshly-solidifed Gold and are unlikely to be burned because of how quickly it loses its temperature."
I did one a few years ago called "How to use every Geyser, Vent and Volcano in Oxygen Not Included!". Might be a little outdated now... I'll take a look!
Aluminum would be in essential for me... It has such high heat conductivity and until you get Thermium it can make all your builds so much more efficient.
the problem with making general tier lists is that they are super subjective under a specific circumstance. this would be somewhat fine for the base game, however, the spaced out dlc gives value to all of the vents, here is why: 1. all of the useless category is useful for either direct, or indirect oxygen production on secondary asteroids which lack significant water production. oxyferns do not require complicated infrastructures to operate and are more efficient water wise than the electrolizers setups. with co2 vents, only a switch and a door are needed for automation, leaving dirt the only dupe operation required. alternatively, they are useful for reducing water use on the starter asteroid, as this is still important to players building farms and petroleum infrastructures. the idea of water being abundant on a starter planet may not be universally true anyway, especially with the minor asteroids. 2. chlorine is way more valuable than niche. there are at least 5 ways to make use out of it, maybe more. 2 squeaky pufts can supply enough bleach stone to feed 114 micronutrient supported waterweed, capable of supporting over 130 dupes on mushroom wraps. it can be used for sand production as the crusher converts salt to sand at a higher rate than the saltvines consume. it can be used in the process for oxygen production. some asteroids feature rust biomes without tidepool biomes which is important for running the rust deoxidizer for both oxygen and iron ore, but even with one, it still gives unlimited supply of salt for it. with the addition of the moo update, it has now been given the ability to produce water from the boiling of brackene. so, oxygen can be made on asteroids with no water source, and moos produce as much meat as voles, without the difficulties associated with voles.
in case your map makes it difficult for you to have clay in large quantities, the polluted oxygen vents can be useful with the deodorizers. It's better just off gassing polluted water but still it comes in handy. You're gonna wanna mass produce ceramics! also a proper niobium tamer can yield you tons and tons of niobium. meaning you can build your entire base with that metal lol
gold should be pretty valuable to make super coolant.. i think it should be above cobalt and copper, the hot water geysers are pretty good for electrolizers too, it's easy to cool the oxygen from them and you don't have to use the cold water for it since the oxygen should be cooled either way..
I'd say that renewable water is always great. Too hot? Too cool? Too sick? What is that? Just heat it all up then cool back down. Oil and Natural Gas are great if you don't have enough renewable water. Chlorine is nice to have because of the bizarre ways that Klei uses desperately trying to justify it's existence. As for volcanoes - never used them. Never experienced the lack of Rock and Metal in the game. XD
After update that able you make bleach stone water and salt water geyser is OP, because you can tune then making 3~4 (6kg~8kg/s of water 95ºC) steam turbines running forever and it's possible superpressurize it. In case of salt water you reduce energy from desalinators.
I love the carbon dioxide geyser. It spits out liquid co2 at -56, put the CO2 in infinite gas storage. I could insta cool my hot biome from 110 to 95 degrees by just breaking my infinite gas storage with 50000kg of CO2 at 20 degrees. I needed the cool down for my steam turbines, that now are cooled down enough to work and power the aqua thermo thingie to keep the turbines at 80. It's useless untill you need cooling fast without any power requirements. Always store if possible what you do not yet use and make a radiant pipe in the storage until you might need it.
As far as the cool steam vent (CSV) versus water geyser (WG)? CSV - 1-2kg steam at 110 celsius. WG - 2-4kg water at 90 celsius. . As a cool water source, WG provides 2x more output, and requires less cooling because it starts at a lower temp... And if we want steam, you are better off just geotuning a WG or a salt water geyser for % increase output and increased temp. Cool steam is finicky to deal with because it is so close to phase change. And an extra nail in the coffin, CSV require bigger/more regulated spaces because of very possible over-pressurization. Something WG requires minimal effort to avoid. . I just went through this issue with my base. I had literally THREE CSV's almost on top of each other, right next to my base. After a lot of research and talking to the community on how to best utilize them, most people seem to hate CSV. And the more I learned about them, the more I agreed. It's still a decent water source if you have nothing better. So it isn't COMPLETELY useless... but I (as well as a lot of other people) would take just about any other water based vent/geyser over a CSV. . I do see your argument of rarity, but I don't think rarity should be taken into account on a tier list like this. Because when you are sitting there looking at a geyser you haven't released yet, trying to figure out if you are gonna let it out... how rare it is means nothing. Is it useful? How easy/hard will it be to utilize? etc. etc. That's what important.
Just so you know Niche is pronounced like sheesh, cool video though, I totally agree with the niobium volcano too, the only use for them is power given that niobium is essentially renewable once you have 5kg
Poluted oxygen vents are good for feeding pufts which then give you the slime to feed mushroom farms. You can eat both the pufts and the mushrooms. They don't generate much energy or food but it is good for variety and can be automated mostly if you want to play with it.
Regarding metal volcanos, gold is definitely not the worst one. Setting aside niobium/tungsten which are from other asteroids, aluminum, gold and iron are imo the best. Aluminum has the best TC until you get thermium so it's the best metal for metal tiles and radiant pipes. Iron has the highest melting point (of the 5 metals) and is necessary for steel production. Gold gives decor bonus and it's used for oxylite, bleach stone and super coolant. The remaining 2 are just worse version of those 3. Cobalt's only redeeming feature is relatively high TC but it's still far lower than Aluminum's and Copper has rather similar properties to Gold except it gives less decor and has no other use. I can't think of any situation where I would want Copper instead of Gold, same with Cobalt and Aluminum.
Volcanoes used to be god tier @ base game You can produce liquid methane + petroleum for plastics or power + use about 10-15 steam turbines, with the end product to feed stone hatches. I just think most people don't know how to adequately tame volcanoes.
Yeah, but it's so much work to get going and the conversion rate between CO2 and oil/petroleum isn't spectacular. I'm also not a big fan of ranching because of how much duplicant time it can take up.
The CO2 vent outputs cold and will kill your slicksters if not heated up. Doesn't take much energy but extra heating system adds complexity compared to using other CO2 sources.
Niobium should absolutely stay down there because tungsten is at least 60 times easier to tame and niobium is easily renewable via tungsten (personally I would even throw it to useless tier considering you are not going to empty the magma asteroid anyway unless you are Francis John or something) and then again as a power source it's also terribly difficult to handle compared to regular metal volcanoes
In my opinion the salt water geyser should definitely be S-tier. Now that bleach stone production was made easier and only requires salt and gold geotuning it is so easy. I provides enough salt to geotune it five times, which doesn’t require much dupe labour and the gold needed is negligible and it comes out as about 5kg/s of 195C steam on average which is about 2kw and since it usually outputs liquids it only stops producing at a steam pressure of 500kg/tile
I have played around with geotuning that and the cool steam vent and the steam is constantly an issue of not being hot enough (even though it's claiming to come out at 200+ C), so it blocks up the geyser/vent and doesn't erupt any more. I will need to play with it some more, but that was a constant issue during my tests. It's always possible I'm wrong and I'll need to revise my builds.
@@Magnet_MD that happend to me too once, but only because I left too much cool water in there that needed to be heated up, but if you use a vacuumed out insulated box it should be at about 190C. I usually also put the aquatuners for cooling the turbines and whatever I’m using the water for in the steam room and it’s always above 200C in my experience.
I think the salt gyser is better than the cool version for water because i send all my salt/pwater into a steam room and 95c salt watee takes less heat to boiland thus requires less energy
When you found Carbon Dioxide Geyser in game: 🤦 Welp, don't know why, but I like to challenge myself, I used it as much as I could, but yeah, not much purpose, only unnecessary problem. So only use it when you play to enjoy challenge.
The way he not overpressurize Liquids and Gades making COLOSSAL reservatoirs is making me angry, besides that, i would put infectious Oxygen up to farm pufts
These were introduced in the game due to the fact that matter disappears in the game and the dev team did not want to solve the problem. They came up with this cheap fix of geysers and vents...
