as a childe main i pulled for xilonen solely for the purpose of making my childe better. because i want childe and furina to be in the same team (they're both my favorites ☺), my current team is childe, furina, kazuha, xilonen
oh yeah so basically the hypercarry set up i used for both neuvi and ayato, it never acc crossed my mind to run that for childe since im so used to him just being stitched to the national team 😭 glad you're able to play two of your favourite units together tho, always a great feeling! :))
I would add Ayaka Shenhe, Furina, Xilonen You don’t get Kazuha’s grouping, but when most enemies can’t be frozen in abyss anyway, it doesn’t matter nearly as much. Xilo and Furina make an incredible core.
true they are truly a busted core, although im ngl if i have an ayake + shenhe + furina, I probs just slot in someone like a Jean to max furina buff sooner + VV or mika for the healing if im too lazy to play jean. still a very solid team in single target and saves xilonen for the other half c: (in AOE i normally play ayaka + furina + mika + kazuha, whilst in ST i play the ayaka + furina + shenhe + jean/mika team i mentioned)
I used genshin optimizer and using neuvillette furina with xilonen kazuha is similar to xilonen lisa(15 def shred, archaic petra, prototype amber), would using fischl actually be better?
I would just recommend sticking to the neuvi / furina / xilonen / kazuha since its the easiest and quickest. but if u want to replace either xilonen or kazuha then I would typically go for fischl but if u truly believe in the lisa option and have her built, then u can test it out against the fischl variant and see what u like more
about wrio, i genuinely think the xilonen melt version of wrio is better than the bennet furina xangling version, i mean duh i have xilonen at c2 r1 but even before c2 it felt so good
For mualani I've been using lvl 70 candace with no talents & instructor cuz she gives normal attack dmg, 120 em, hydro resonance & way faster setups than furina/nahida also she doesn't mess your vapes like furina
thats fair enough, i have seen people play candace, just sadly mines lv 20 and probs will be a while before i get around to building her - although i do plan to one day! :D
her interruption resistance isn't as good as that of a shielder in my experience, but if u want to play dehya then you certainly can! neuvi + furina + xilonen is just so strong that honestly you can get away with any 4th slot
Xilonen isn't much at all for Neuvillette. On paper she's only 15% better than Kachina. And thoroughly tested (which I'll upload later so I don't just talk) both Kachina and Xilonen, and she's only edging in single target boss battle by 5-8 seconds. In multi wave mobs, Kachina just as fast if not faster due to shorter field times and longer lasting cinder buff from her 5 off field application that increases the effective uptime of the cinder set to 25 seconds. Not to mention Kachina requires zero investment on talent and level. I certain people never actually uses Kachina, thus they don't know any better. They just brush her off because she's free 4 star. Because of the existence of Kachina alone a free 4 star, the *opportunity* *cost* of Xilonen for Neuvillette is exceedingly atrocious, utterly terrible. When the topic is improvement, then the definitive, factual, and objective answer is Mualani. On paper she received 30% final damage increase over Sucrose or Kachina. And the on paper theory is *empirically* alligned. I tested both 6.5 cost Neuvillette Hypercarry with Xilonen, against 3 cost Mualani Vaporise with Xilonen. The latter is already on par with half the cost, which can be verified with some research for direct comparison... But this is your video so I respect it, won't talk further about it. The gist is, Xilonen improve the team the most that are suffering a hindrance from viridescent venerer set up, and requiring a slot for a healer. That's where Xilonen will bring the most relative increase, that's where her value sky rocket.
oh I certainly agree, mualani is definitely the most improved units by xilonen and i suspect they'll get even better when mavuika releases (maybe even exceed neuvillette effortlessly), although I would also say saying that xilonen doesn't do all that much for neuvillette is kinda understating it since he already was the best DPS in the game so any improvement will still be pretty important, and a 15% improvement shouldn't be underestimated (according to KQM the diff between C1 to C2 is 11% so Xilonen offers better value from that jump whilst still allowing you to horizontally invest since she'll help many units out) I can't pretend that I have the numbers and you probably know the specifics more than me, but I wouldn't understate the improvement xilonen can provide for neuvi since I'd say its still the best C0R0 team in the game with the highest DPS (e.g. because mualani can miss a vape since her teams still aren't perfect, she can miss a charge attack if enemies move too much, she might not get a third charge attack if u miss or have to chase the enemy) and is also the most consistent (easiest set ups, not really reliant on his or allies energy for the most part since bursts either aren't essential or very easy to get the energy for, unlike a unit like XL where u can get 250% ER and still not get ur burst back). So whilst mualani is the most improved, neuvillette still holds the crown imo and receives a decent improvement from xilonen (even if its not as much as mualani) which is why he's the top DPS in the game, especially for casuals (can be different for speedrunners but thats practically a different playerbase and not the one this video is made for, since its much more casual friendly) Of course, I still appreciate the time you took to make this comment as well as respect the amount of effort and research you put into!
@@SamiverseYT It wasn't an understatement. It's a matter of opportunity cost. When the topic is improvement, then the definitive approach to assessing how much a certain subject improve is by evaluating their opportunity cost. How much z can gain by adding a x, over the preexisting options for z, and how much y can gain over adding x, over the preexisting options. Neuvi C0R0 team best dps is objectively false not even remotely close, but since it's probably it based off of your experience then it's still empirically valid. Mualani missing vape, missing hit, missing something something, is very arbitrary, which Idk how you'd miss a vape with Xiangling, or how missing a hit when she has homing targeting on her skill just recently. The same case can be made for Neuvillette, you can and will suck the wrong droplets - the newer droplets - each run which will make the older droplets expired then consequently losing charge attack, or you can get out of range with the droplet which often happen in multi waves with different spawning place, or you can get interrupted which will waste another attack. But I'd stop. I don't want to make it about Mualani since it never was my intention. And I don't want to ruin your day by reading paragraphs of arguments. And btw, you used Nahida on Mualani, of course you have a hard time setting up. Candace or Sucrose is the meta. Unless severe skill deficiency, You shouldn't a have hard time setting up with Candace. 12:25 12:42 like bro, you didn't even refresh the cinder set the entire run.
sethos is something you don't see very often - nice to see people play units that don't get much love and i hope you keep enjoying the xilonen team with him! c:
yup very strong with navia, namely the hypercarry team (navia + furina + bennett + xilonen) which I believe is her best team, but u could also go down the xilonen + double pyro route (xiangling, bennett) or the xilonen + double hydro route (furina, yelan), depedning on what units u have available and what u wanna run on your other half. but yes xilonen makes navia even better than she already was :D
Cyno Aggravate? Cyno Electrocharged? Yoimiya OverVape? Gaming Bennett replacement so no circle impact? Chongyun Melt Plunge C6 Bennett replacement? No? Nothing? 😭 Girl, why don't y'all take advantage of this powerful new unit to buff the characters who actually matter?
dont own cyno, dont own yoimiya, got a lv 20 c1 gaming with no xianyun and my chongyun is also lv 20 so i cant showcase any of those 😭 as i said in the beginning, i can only show off the characters I own, but I did mention in the beginning u can play her with almost any unit and she'll be good other than just these, especially if its single target and u dont need the grouping a unit like kazuha can offer specifically bc i know i cant cover everything 🥲
you are correct, I should have mentioned the damage numbers are inflated but still doesn't take away from the fact she's still top tier, esp with xilonen! c:
The Neuvi, Furina, Kazuha and Xilonen team is so strong!. I really like it, I didnt learn the correct way to use it but the 40k every hit from neuvi every time I do smth right is Worth it. She made me hate kazuha cause she has higher uptime and is easier to apply
its actually such an insane team, i wonder if they're gonna make mavuika busted so natlan units can be on a similar tier to neuvi since he's actually ridiculous. although id say hating kazuha is a bit of an exaggeration since swirl can still be v useful for elemental application and, to me at least, nothing feels better than grouping up enemies and killing them all :P
@@SamiverseYTMualani already does more dmg than Neuvillette with Xilonen. It’s just Neuvillette’s consistency that makes people more inclined towards him
@@user-ot4ly9dp1c its important to stress how inconsistent mualani can be, since she doesn't have a perfect team yet she still misses vapes sometimes, sometimes she misses her hits because of enemies moving, sometimes u wont be able to get all 3 off because of having to follow enemies. mualani certainly can deal bigger numbers than neuvi, but I'd say neuvi's average DPS is still greater than that of mualani as well as being more consistent + easy to pull off. maybe once mavuika releases that can change however
@@koinglmao actually you can fix that by doing a different rotation, you can see me do it pretty often where i use neuvi E, switch to my team, charge attack, another E, charge attack, back to the team, neuvi ult + 2 CA, E and then repeat (basically ur only using 2 neuvi CAs before refreshing ur buffs, that way they all still last :DD)
If you’re looking for most consistent team, yes. Otherwise for actual DPS, it’s Xilonen with Mualani. There are speed runs out there with low cost Mualani-Xilonen teams actually beating high cost Neuvillette-Xilonen team. This one for example: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-aWNKyUJG5i8.htmlsi=5CPlZWj8bdPWkKAr
@@user-ot4ly9dp1c based. You're Inori salesman. Jokes aside, the idea of "consistent" is very arbitrary. I can consistently clear slower with Neuvillette, even when his 4 cost hypercarry team is easier to play, and I can consistently clear faster with Mualani 2 cost team even when it's harder to play.
well when you've invested into three cons and a sig weapon then I would hope its the strongest team considering the base core is already the strongest C0R0 team 😅but yes you are right it is busted also just for the other replies, I'd be careful with first of all taking into account mualani runs since the abyss blessing does benefit natlan units and her disproportionately more than other units. also would be careful with taking into consideration speedruns since at that point we're talking about something that only a small fraction of the playerbase will be interested in and an even smaller amount actually be able to pull off. i think its fair to say this neuvi team is the strongest for the team even if u can pull off better results with other teams - same how back in the day childe teams or hu tao + ayaka teams were some of the best for speedrunning but you wouldnt actually consider them the best teams in the game, that would go to (in those days) either raiden national teams, hu tao double hydro teams, ayaka freeze teams or dendro once that came out
