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What Bach and Charlie Parker Had In Common 

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In this episode of Everything Music we will explore what Bach and Charlie Parker had in common which was octave displacement. It is a way for you to make your melodies more interesting and more intervallic. It will also give your lines much more interesting shapes.
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@charles-mr4oz
@charles-mr4oz 4 года назад
I have no idea what you are talking about but sitting in my quiet kitchen having my first coffee at 4.30am I am very much enjoying this tutorial
@stevefleth
@stevefleth 5 лет назад
4-string bass players do this all the time when they hit the low E but need to play a Eb, D or C next. They go up an octave to hit those notes. So now I know that's called octave displacement. Thanks Rick.
@viggosimonsen
@viggosimonsen 6 лет назад
It is an absolutely correct observation. Parker is the exact equivalent of Bach in classical music - both in the technical sense , and in terms of his role in music history. It just shows that music history goes through cycles. Parker rediscovered the techniques of Bach and reapplied them to jazz, just like Ellington and Bill Evans applied the techniques of Debussy. The entire history of jazz can in fact med mapped to the history of western classical music. Jazz went through the same evolution from simple diatonicity to increasing use of chromatism and harmonic extensions, facing the same harmonic dilemmas between form and chaos. Those are basically cultural life cycles.
@sickowhale6861
@sickowhale6861 5 лет назад
I always thought the same thing. Charlie Parker is 1900's Black Virtuoso of Bach. They feel so same
@gerryjamesedwards1227
@gerryjamesedwards1227 5 лет назад
There's an even neater parallel between jazz and classical music, related to Bach. It was arguably the rediscovery and championing of the music of JS Bach by figures such as Felix Mendelsohn that revitalized the music scene of the period in Germany and gave us the music that we think of as classical. He had largely left the repertoire at one point, his son Carl Phillip Emanuel Bach was much more well known.
@dactylntrochee
@dactylntrochee 5 лет назад
So here's my current question. "Mr Bach promotes the system whereby all keys are played with equally offensive tuning", but that system won -- didn't it? A little later, Schoenberg claimed the whole system is played out, and he invented a new one that he was sure would catch on. Mostly, it didn't (except to make creepy backgrounds in movies.) Some years ago, we replaced publicly traded receipts for "precious metal" with notes that represents nothing at all. Central banks figured (like Bach) that it would catch on -- and it did! Nowadays, there's a movement to replace all money with electronic lock boxes out in the cloud that represent a balance (Bitcoin). Will it fly, or will it be the tone row of the monetary world? Be sure to tune in to Planet Earth next century to find out!
@jcee6886
@jcee6886 5 лет назад
Great insight Viggo
@jamesmurphy1389
@jamesmurphy1389 5 лет назад
Yeah right, dude. I’ll tell you what: you can have Parker and I’ll keep Bach. 😎
@NahreSol
@NahreSol 6 лет назад
Wow!!!!! Wow. This is so interesting and cool!
@adastraperespera1
@adastraperespera1 3 года назад
Wow, Nahre. I imagined you explaining this in one of your videos while watching Rick explaining octave displacement. Then I find out that it is even new to you? Rip the fabric of my reality!
@rockingbuddah
@rockingbuddah 6 лет назад
This is a Be Bach lesson
@magentuspriest
@magentuspriest 6 лет назад
This should be top comment
@robin-hr9up
@robin-hr9up 5 лет назад
Bach to the future.
@timothymccaskey4362
@timothymccaskey4362 5 лет назад
Ivan Ramirez: It's just too bad that Johann Joseph Fux didn't start his own music school. He could have called it Fux U.
@rico._5067
@rico._5067 4 года назад
This man has too much power
@hanj31
@hanj31 3 года назад
Charlie Bacher
@davidgerber9317
@davidgerber9317 7 лет назад
Thanks for showing the way for us wannabes. By spending time with videos by you, Aimee Nolte, Adam Neely, and many other skilled and generous-minded RU-vid teachers, I am getting first-class, professional level instruction...for free! All I can offer in return is to tell you I share whatever knowledge I can, whenever I can, in the same spirit that you guys share with me. May good Karma follow us all!
@that1personMan
@that1personMan 6 лет назад
Amen to that, right there with ya
@Pizaz0
@Pizaz0 6 лет назад
Don't forget about Kent in the Jazz Ranch
@roaringforties
@roaringforties 6 лет назад
"first-class, professional level instruction...for free! " was one of the original aims of the internet. It's a beautiful thing. Peace.
@Vinnybrain
@Vinnybrain 4 года назад
Every time I stop into one of Rick's videos to be entertained..... I end up Learning Something!!... I love it! He's a born music teacher ..it just comes natural to him. :) Thank You Rick Beato!.... the world needs more thoughtful people like you! Your mission to musically educate every RU-vid listener that finds you will continue to grow more millions! Why? Because you're HEART is in the Right Place! Keep up the Great Work there Rick Beato:)
@justinmurray3661
@justinmurray3661 4 года назад
The bottom line is music is simple alota of these educated fools from uneducated schools talk to damn much, EMPTY VESSELS USUALLY MAKE THE MOST NOISE
@jamesfreeman1286
@jamesfreeman1286 6 лет назад
Absolutely! All these years of playing Bach (and Parker) I always loved the skips, but nobody ever explained it to me like that before. I always felt they were so similar and now I have a much better idea. Thanks!
@QuaqQuao
@QuaqQuao 5 лет назад
Hah! Turns out, due to the very limited range of my voice, I'm an expert in octave displacment already.. ;)
@danielglickman2840
@danielglickman2840 4 года назад
Ha, same here
@tomasrevillacortazar6722
@tomasrevillacortazar6722 5 лет назад
Rick, YOU are a real treasure. THANK YOU. I think most music teachers and them wanting to teach music should have a close look at your videos. They'd spare us for many many hours of wasted shed time. Even the gifted ones would learn something. Could really copy and paste my comment to most of your videos. I play sax and your octave displacement video has virtually transformed the way I practice scales. Killing lines all over the place! Regards from an Spaniard living Denmark, who's a bit happier today than yesterday ;-)
@chimurengacomposer791
@chimurengacomposer791 7 лет назад
Wow what a blessing in my life you have been Mr Rick Beato! Amazing videos, please keep doing the good work, you have so much to give, thanks, all the way from South Africa!
@heifetz14
@heifetz14 6 лет назад
Eric Dolphy took it further with double octave displacement which works well on sax or bass clarinet.I have tested some of my pupils by playing "happy birthday" on the piano with big displacements of 2 or 3 octaves.They never figure out what the melody is.
@OrignialDublix
@OrignialDublix 4 года назад
after 4 years of hardcore piano training I can finally follow along! Thats just what I needed - thanks Rick!
@nicholasrees1838
@nicholasrees1838 5 лет назад
Rick, I'm surprised and impressed to hear the Gradus ad Parnassum refererenced here - and cantus firmus. I thought you were more of a rock guy. This is solid musical theory that was very important in the Baroque era where the guide lines were important - Bach learned them at his father's knee before he passed away and later from his brother. A lot of this stuff was more or less forgotten as the Classical era came in and rules of counterpoint were regarded as old-fashioned dogma and the texture of the music changed, I'd say simplified. The sympathy between Bach and Jazz is well documented - I have been listening to a Jazz version of the beautiful G minor Sinfonia this very day. Great to choose the 3rd Sinfonia as an example here. The Sinfonias represent some of Bach's best short pieces and are pretty much ignored most of the time. The C minor and G major are also great works though not easy to play despite their brevity. And of course, the F minor is justly famous for it's extreme chromaticism.
@jimjarnagin5344
@jimjarnagin5344 5 лет назад
Thank you!!! I’m (finally) making a serious effort to learn walking bass and octave displacement adds a whole new angle to scalar lines. 😊😊😊
@jimwinters3986
@jimwinters3986 7 лет назад
Another mind-reading video! Have been thinking of re-learning the chromatic scale with displaced octaves. Introduced to me at NGSW. I'd eventually hear it on various records. Vai, Becker, Jarzombek, Kalle Rademaker... and possibly Jarrett on Radiance.
@treblemaker69
@treblemaker69 6 лет назад
The octave-displaced chromatic scale on guitar sounds like something Fripp would do and/or did! Very cool!
@VideoEconomist
@VideoEconomist 6 лет назад
The fundamentals for composition and improvisation, as well as the rules that all musicians should know before breaking them selectively.
@volt0z
@volt0z 7 лет назад
Rick is greatest music educator in the world! Thanks.
@benyoungblood4770
@benyoungblood4770 6 лет назад
I found this video incredibly thought-provoking. As a guitarist I really appreciated the part at the end with the demonstrations on the guitar. It gave me my next technique to practice!
@luishermano
@luishermano 7 лет назад
Great lesson, Rick! There's also a great book written by the pianist Hal Galper called Forward Motion - From Bach to Bebop. It's worth a read and he talks a lot about these similarities. The best book I ever read about jazz phrasing.
@epi6676
@epi6676 7 лет назад
Rick, I'd like to thank you so much for these videos. I came from not knowing much about guitar and playing blues to using your vids to better myself, how I'm approaching the industry, and the stuff I play. Seriously, thank you for these vids.
@wyattgranger5870
@wyattgranger5870 6 лет назад
Haha I remember when Bela Fleck once said that He always connects Back with Charlie, though he wasnt sure why. It makes sense now
@kaminandamusic253
@kaminandamusic253 5 лет назад
You're like the Musical , charismatic uncle i always wanted.
@ignaciocondecarmona1761
@ignaciocondecarmona1761 Год назад
Thank you very much Rick, I find it enjoyable, the way you share.
@staceycarras3815
@staceycarras3815 7 лет назад
Rick i like all your stuff, but i must say that this particular technique is very "effective" and useful
@modularmuse
@modularmuse 5 лет назад
Great stuff Rick, thanks! I remember being told, decades ago, that if you sped up a lot of Bach lines they would sound like bebop, now I know a little more about what they might have meant.
@shkyrbty
@shkyrbty 4 года назад
Wow! Really mind opening, thank you for posting! This helps us to understand both classical and jazz and the connections shared by both. The first guitar example reminds me of some lines Duane Allman played. Sweet!
@lukejav818
@lukejav818 6 лет назад
This is my favourite channel by far!!! Thanks you so much Rick! You are amazing
@graemebarnes4405
@graemebarnes4405 4 года назад
Great stuff Rick! Your lessons are outstanding.
@crazyb3fan
@crazyb3fan 7 лет назад
This is an amazing lesson Rick! Thanks a lot! That exercise on guitar toward the end of the lesson is awesome. I have to try that and incorporate it into my practicing.
@webmcollection2983
@webmcollection2983 5 лет назад
15:10 I saw the spirit of Bach coming out of the blue as this melody started.
@visog
@visog 7 лет назад
Rick, I watch your vids whilst doing cardio on the machines at the gym. Trouble is I always get inspired to try out your ideas and have to rush home to play... Great insights...
@stevebadachmusic
@stevebadachmusic 7 лет назад
That Fux book had so many rules it melted my brain a little when I picked it up 10 years ago. Maybe I'm ready for it now.
@stevebadachmusic
@stevebadachmusic 7 лет назад
truBador2 good suggestion. i ended up just analyzing a lot of Bach since that's the sound i was going for anyway.
@fadge4105
@fadge4105 5 лет назад
Any scaluer Rick, opens up so many things. Thank you for this. Broadens the mind man thank you.
@nemesisprime8115
@nemesisprime8115 5 лет назад
Sooooo inspiring.Thank you for all these awesome vids.
@MightyOneManBand
@MightyOneManBand 5 лет назад
Your deep knowledge on music never ceases to amaze me, Rick 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
@TheNinnyfee
@TheNinnyfee 4 года назад
You are just as passionate about teaching music as my teacher at school, brings back good memories of music classes.
@stratowhore9051
@stratowhore9051 4 года назад
Thomas Owens' "Bebop and Its Players" has an EXCELLENT discussion of Charlie Parker's style, especially his use of octave displacement.
@butterfieldstudios2429
@butterfieldstudios2429 6 лет назад
So many great videos... wildly helpful! Thanks!
@stuartthorne4872
@stuartthorne4872 7 лет назад
I can't even begin to list all the gaps in my musical knowledge that have been filled by studying your video clips. Thank you so very much!
@dennisdewey3502
@dennisdewey3502 2 года назад
Thank you so much Rick!!!
@mistereasy2587
@mistereasy2587 7 лет назад
Your teaching style is much appreciated and hope you continue to gain momentum here. Will continue to watch and learn and pass on to my students as well. Thank You
@ANTONSANMARTIN
@ANTONSANMARTIN 7 лет назад
Beato your classes are great!!! Thanks a million!!!
@ZlejChleba
@ZlejChleba 7 лет назад
thank you, that guitar bit was incredible, I never thought I could practise this way, it's absolutely amazing!
@mozgren
@mozgren 5 лет назад
It's the sort of thing I do when whistling if I can't reach that high note - go down an octave. Problem is that I don't know if others like it as much as me. You're a wicked musician btw Rick.
@simonandresenmusic
@simonandresenmusic 6 лет назад
Fantastic! Such a simple idea, but so effective! Great lesson, thanks!
@donswanson1
@donswanson1 5 лет назад
Kudos to my new found cyber friend! All of your videos have been really great! Thank you!!!
@petersmart894
@petersmart894 7 лет назад
Nice easy lesson for a Sunday afternoon after lunch.! Thanks, Rick.
@sparty2761
@sparty2761 5 лет назад
Thank you for making this video, so simple yet it makes it so interesting.
@chirrique1743
@chirrique1743 7 лет назад
These videos are gold, thanks!!
@mmSeven77
@mmSeven77 7 лет назад
Awesome video! Thanks for all the great info!
@chrishaughey648
@chrishaughey648 7 лет назад
This video has helped me loads, cheers. I've tended to use octave jumps the easy way, same note to same note. This video is forcing me to think of the continuity of the line, and made me realise that I've been lazy with it thus far. Thanks again!
@antoniofalanga5846
@antoniofalanga5846 5 лет назад
really, really interesting. Thank you, Mr. Beato!
@k.scotsparks9247
@k.scotsparks9247 7 лет назад
..excellent, Rick (bless you!)
@EAhonima
@EAhonima 7 лет назад
I feel like my head's about to explode. That's a good thing. I wish I'd had Rick teaching my music theory classes fortysomething years ago. Thank you, Rick!
@mikakrstic
@mikakrstic 7 лет назад
I discovered the essence of Bach's music. The very pattern that threads throughout every single piece he wrote. Weather organ, guitar oboe violin or voice.. Rick is onto something interesting as a talented guy. I grew up studying counterpoint in europe from amazing teachers and know all about gregorian chorals and roots of fugue and other forms with counterpoint as a main source.
@shaddjimenez4524
@shaddjimenez4524 4 года назад
very interesting stuff, great video man. 👍🏼
@ADURG1
@ADURG1 6 лет назад
i enjoy many of yer vids sir Rick and this one is super super duper i do declare!
@mikegeeguitarman8991
@mikegeeguitarman8991 6 лет назад
I really love your vids Rick..you are a gem fella
@magnificentelectromagnetic7417
i'm impressed when i read the comments section - you're helping so many people: well done i don't even know you and i feel proud of you thanks
@IvanTerreroDDS
@IvanTerreroDDS 5 лет назад
Love your channel!
@madisonmasontv
@madisonmasontv 4 года назад
Maestro, once again I bow to thee.
@rockstarjazzcat
@rockstarjazzcat 7 лет назад
Beast of a line indeed! Thank you sir.
@LuisShatter
@LuisShatter 6 лет назад
Thank you for this, Rick!
@ScorpWriter
@ScorpWriter 6 лет назад
Thanks, Mr. Beato. Very insightful, very well explained in layman's term and very inspiring and informative.
@mzsax
@mzsax 6 лет назад
Very informative. Thanks for this!
@SoundDiggerFozo
@SoundDiggerFozo 3 года назад
You are brilliant as always, well done sir, well done.
@Flamencoide
@Flamencoide 6 лет назад
Brilliant, as always.
@rockstarjazzcat
@rockstarjazzcat 6 лет назад
Thanks Rick. I like that you tied it in with rules for creating cantus firmus at the beginning, relating specific application examples that followed to implied wider possibilities to explore. So much bop vocabulary is made more difficult by presentation of licks, often in the absence of sound, without the driving concepts. Nice inspiring illustration. \m/. Best, Daniel
@247hdjazz
@247hdjazz 5 лет назад
Most of my songs bury a very sick or ailing cantus firmus, because I jump all major and minor intervals, and one of my best songs have some very tasty 9ths....I studied the Bach Chorale's backwards & forwards and drew my own conclusions when I started a full-time writing career...Bach was amazing, and I know I built a foundation from immersing in Bachian wisdom!
@cheneyrobert
@cheneyrobert 2 года назад
Outstanding video 👏👏👏
@nitinsampaul
@nitinsampaul 6 лет назад
Hi Rick I love all the videos you make and I share it around with my friends and they say you're great. Keep up the good job Rick and hopefully I'd like to meet you soon. I'm from India.
@77pearcearrow
@77pearcearrow Год назад
That's really cool, my thesis in grad school was on Octave Displacement. Awesome Video!
@joelrivardguitar
@joelrivardguitar 7 лет назад
Good lesson. Another similarity also in the first Bach example is the 2-5 lines. He starts on D maj then hits the b3 of Em, finishes the line with octave displacement, then hits the 3rd of A7, another octave displacement and resolves on the 3rd of D maj. It's a classic 2-5-1 line starting on the 3rd of each chord. G, C#, F#. Bach tends to do those displacement runs off of the 3rd of whatever chord he's using. Like Parker he also plays the b9 on the dominant chords.
@meatwad61
@meatwad61 3 года назад
Great lesson Rick 🤘🏻
@JohnResciniti
@JohnResciniti 7 лет назад
Those guitar exercises at the end were awesome! We're gonna have fun in class tomorrow!
@rammcomusic
@rammcomusic 6 лет назад
Great video again, thanks!
@geraividet
@geraividet 5 лет назад
Two thumbs up. Great explanation.
@powerbylightfutureisnow1579
@powerbylightfutureisnow1579 7 лет назад
😄😮 kool , you are a fine teacher bro....Tanks
@roberthead
@roberthead 6 лет назад
Fantastic as usual! Octave displacement violates the 'no dissonant leaps' rule from Fux and strict species counterpoint that you established at the beginning. A followup maybe? A separate counterpoint video of its own would be awesome!
@miguelangeldiaz9380
@miguelangeldiaz9380 Год назад
This little nugget...just rocketed my solos!
@georgemartisius7226
@georgemartisius7226 4 года назад
I'm going to spend the next year practicing this
@cheesecurd100s
@cheesecurd100s 3 года назад
Did you do it?
@derrylgabel
@derrylgabel 7 лет назад
Fantastic Rick!
@diegopadovani4942
@diegopadovani4942 5 лет назад
Amazing! Great video! I love this in Aria from Goldberg Variations.
@jabberwocky4995
@jabberwocky4995 6 лет назад
Great Stuff, Rick!
@dev--null
@dev--null 6 лет назад
I absolutely love this video! Do more videos on cool exercises, like this!
@JayAyers
@JayAyers 7 лет назад
This is a sweet lesson! Can't wait to practice it.
@davidbusby2550
@davidbusby2550 5 лет назад
Always teaching me something new, you are...
@johncook7281
@johncook7281 4 года назад
With that descending scale it was easier to grasp what you were talking about/ playing, with displcements. I heard it in my head as a possible part of a walking bass line so it had an association in my thing with say John Paul Jones bass line (i.e.Ramble On, Dazed and Confused.)touching a bit on --'Everyone thinks and learns differently. in your Mindset for Success' Video from yesterday. Keep on your enthusiasm with your knowledge is a great combination.
@BrendanDormanMMA
@BrendanDormanMMA 5 лет назад
I love that I found this channel.
@gal.h.musicstuff1209
@gal.h.musicstuff1209 6 лет назад
Thank you very much rick its very educative
@craigberry4051
@craigberry4051 6 лет назад
Yes, that line IS a beast! Wow.
@austinchaseofficial
@austinchaseofficial 2 года назад
Super informative content 👍🏻
@roanmccormick2297
@roanmccormick2297 7 лет назад
Awesome as usual :)
@lorenzopasini8309
@lorenzopasini8309 6 лет назад
Inspiring as always.
@fredericlinden
@fredericlinden 5 лет назад
So exciting to hear someone talking about true counterpoint, its principles, rules, its applications. A, of course, the Masters/originators like Fux.
@emindmnger8372
@emindmnger8372 6 лет назад
Awsoomeee!!! Thanks!!
@gerardbuckley1334
@gerardbuckley1334 5 лет назад
I love your knowledge and what you teach me 🤩
@Carlospenamusic1
@Carlospenamusic1 7 лет назад
I love that. Thanks!
@francescaemc2
@francescaemc2 2 года назад
excellent!!!!
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