WHAT CAUSED NEW YORK TO FALL AND HOW DID THE SOUTH TAKE OVER HIPHOP??? Drop a comment 

Broke it down to the molecular structure brody lol 💯

Facts... so much better than listening to the emotions and nostalgia... Truth be told.

@@qigonglungz they can only explain from their understanding.

Facts

Preciate you giving the origin of P in the West. I’m from Detroit, but I like good information.

New York arrogance is the core reason

It's bigger as well.... NYC was just battling everything themselves...the south had music it was only a matter of time......NYC don't like nobody

new York cats 🐀 too much. am i lying?

💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾Atlanta Fulton County

Most southern artist didn't have labels next door to them so they had no choice but to support each other

New Orleans is the creation of Jazz Music so yeah

Right. Everybody from up north think the south the same and we slow. But they come down here they get a rude awakening

Accurate.

You are super accurate! The South has to many styles but at the same time the same. N.O. Texas Florida Atl Memphis Mississippi and so on and so on.

Shit, every neighborhood is not the same 😂😂😂🤦🏽‍♂️

Real talk uou ever noticed when 25-cent was beefing with everyone from.NY Texas movement was up and coming but that only lasted probably a year and a half but still the south then TI and jeezy back then had the streets on 🔐 than wayne and all them passed all that drama up cuz they were unity and tryna mske money belive it or not he is part of the reason NY ain't the same like it used to but dosent take fault at it cuz he knows it's true plus ATL was on the rise since the early 00's ➕️ the 🔨 in the ⚰️ was when kanye beat him in 07 it was over for NY by then and than tried starting beef with wayne but he didn't have advantage everyone got tired of his stupid beef gimmicks to wear he has to troll in order to get attention and everyone has to sound like the south now

NY shamed the south smh baddd But look @ ni! On the outside looking in Bahahahahaha

Goin dine

Ummmmm.Go listen to Benny Lox still holding it down.We never fell off..The radio is just playing that mumble bullshit.

80s NY rap was authentic so was 90s but also mixed with the West coast you could say peak of hip hop. Then 00s only 50 was the only real one holding it down for NY but even then he was surrounded by southern cats started saying mayn. After pac and big died, you heard of guys like D4L, Lil John and songs like back that azz up and lil Wayne came up even though he’s from an old school era it’s all southern bs

You must be from Virginia

The industry was in NY, so they did it to themselves. They tried to emulate the South's sound. Trying to do that without understanding Southern culture is going to sound corny. I also think arrogance did it too. Lot of NYers look down on other regions. They didn't learn from what the West Coast did to em in the 90s. Seems like all the other regions respected each other's music; NY was the only one that didn't.

Not true. They don't stick together

The west was universal, none of you niggas from the south or east were recongnized in pop culture like the west, most of the classic black hood movies are based on the west, gangster rap was popularized by the west, they even had a fuckin video game (gta San Andreas) based on west coast culture, the west coast in its prime was different. I will agree the west sound was kind’ve one dimensional however they’re sound was was universally recognized, i would argue that the west coast in the 90s was more popular then any era New York or any city in the south had.

@@darianp2294again NY music was universal because it started hip hop and by the time the West hit, the third wave of NY was there. This was true Underground rappers that were not Pop music, but it was the Popular music cause it was from NY and label backed. Its the same way you would consider early southern music our Popular music, but know the music you here is southern Underground that is Popular. The world wasn't supposed to hear slim thug, Gucci, the same way Boot Camp click and Wu (beside meth)

You nailed it

Wu tang not universal Nigga are you crazy you got nigga In china and Japan tryna be like nyc Lmfaooooooo

@@darianp2294 again the world wasn't supposed to hear half of the Souths underground music they here now. The reason they are hearing that underground South music and it's considered popular music is because the internet helped to expand the borders of the South. As I said earlier one of the main reasons is because the South was bigger than what most people thought and two and no one was able to snatch you away from the south. The West Coast snatched it away from east while New York was starting to crumble, the South snatched it away from the the East and the West after biggie and Pac died. The Midwest sprinkled their flavor in a little bit but they were too contingent upon the west and the east to show their own full identity. Detroit in St Louis were the only two cities in the Midwest on a certain level, but Detroit had a lot of its foundation out in the west with Eminem and the rest of the cities identity will share with New York style rap. Chicago what's spitting at the industry like a semi-automatic but none of the cities rallied together to stamp the Midwest. As I said has been able to snatch it away from the south so you're hearing underground and hardest after underground artists after underground artist that has become popular music. 21 Savage was never supposed to see the light of day on a national level.

Exactly what the Jews need to get the world to where we are now lol…degeneracy …that’s the real fact about it Them execs went down south cause they seen a market similar to the chitlin circut but pushin what new and pac started

Wrong

If you weren't here youre clueless. We bumped outkast ghetto boys etc. You're talking industry shit. Jay Z back in 99 was asked what his favorite shit was at the time. He said UGK. Stop speaking on history you don't know. You were told some shit and you believed it

Ya niggas be sounding like victims

That too.

I'm from BKNY, and Andre 3000 in my Top 5, but your right, Y'all got comfortable with yourselves, but being NY Brother, I always loved and Respected the Southern Hospitality. One Love, everybody get there shot, when you do, do the very best you can. Too whoever is reading, much Love and respect. Wish you nothing but Heaven. God Bless

Best answer I've seen. The lack off production teams has really hurt the post 2000 NYC rappers

Yea you right they thought that in the 70's to until people got tired of hearing it to much of anything gets old and eventually those simple songs tend to get old fam. But enjoy that cake though. It expires when all there is, is vanilla.

NY artist spent most of the time beefing with each other. Instead of supporting and possibly helping each other, the dumbA** goons were hating on each other. The west coast, mid west and the south just took that sh**. Example; Mobb Deep and Prodigy was one of the best representations of NY to the fullest but his peers treated him like sh** until the day he died. Even after he died.

Naw jay was able to sustain because of Beyoncé he can rap too but he was almost outta here after ether Beyoncé saved his career bruh

@@jomarcoliverman4971 if we being honest majority of people don’t really mess with jay’s music it was always him business side that people liked

@@Allious131 Smh U just yapping music has changed because the generation change duhhhhhh so who cares if u ain’t jamming to it smh imma keep real this generation doesn’t control the music it’s gen z lol Hoffa will never be on like that because dude came and left MF in his 40s and that bs intro talks about the same thing these young niggas speaking on lol

Talk that shit homie. Jackson mississippi big homie

Nobody on the East listen to yall we not even listening to radio we don't care

But what really stamped it was what Outkast did at the Source and ever since then the South been on top

Wow that's interesting and more stories like this would be helpful instead of the division all the time

Here in Boston we have that New York hip hop 90s sound and, gutta rap Of course there’s younger rappers who do drill music but mostly in Boston the rap music is similar to hardcore rap and large professor type boomrap

This is the most accurate explanation I've heard other than my own... I'm from Texas

Facts

@@pirex6674 same here and I completely agree Master P changed how artists got paid and understanding their own value

@@spencewhite9215 Master P got that game from the West.

MUSIC IS UNIVERSAL STOP MAKING THIS TO HARD SMART DUMMIES

All black American musical genres came from the south because majority of black Americans live in the south that’s our national state, so this should not be a surprise

Have you noticed a bit of this arrogance coming from the south lately?

@@veautifulstranger quite a bit. As if they don't see their imminent demise

@Natural Immunity yup. Pride cometh before a fall. I was enjoying big gipp of the goodie mob's recent interviews on the art of dialogue platform but all of a sudden in the middle of it he got very self aggrandizing in touting the South as the supreme holders of hip-hop and claiming all these artists who aren't even actually from Atlanta or the South and some cases as being better than anyone's that New York could put up.

Absolutely, New York hip hop was on some total bullshit. Now they are gangbanging, southern slang using, drill music making confused fools.

@@themostsecretscience6409 were you here. Yall some I was told some shit. Never came here but don't know what was happening on the hip hop scene. Fyi. Rappers didn't make the decisions on signing people. Execs did And most were white.

We can say the same about the southern niggas

Yeah southern rap just had a better energy ... Was fun...New York rap was hella gloomy for the most part

@@themostsecretscience6409 the younger generation you're right as far as 90's babies or millinials.

Shout to the N.O.! Spitta favorite Rapper of all time, love from the Bay Area

Cash money and no limit made crash out music

😮😊😊 Yeah, the East Coast, West Coast, Dirty South & Midwest is all dope. 💙❤️💛💚🌍

Absolute facts!

That's really only the top guys tho. East coast underground is super collaborative.

I'm from NY their egos are way too big and a lot of them felt like the younger ones coming up were competition instead helping them shine. Also a lot of artist from NY when it was transitioning didn't know how to adapt to a new sound and relied on radio spins

Plus there beatz are more vicious.......NYC doesn't have a core sound....the south got that club feel......we all love the club.....lo....NYC is weird ... #### ATLANTA 2 BROOKLYN....

MUSIC IS UNIVERSAL STOP MAKING THIS SO HARD PLUS MOST CAME FROM THE SOUTH

I feel you. It reminds me of the EWF lyric from "That's The Way of The World": 'A child is born with a heart of gold/The way of the world makes his heart grow cold'.

Get a life....you wouldn't even be on this topic if it wasn't for us..I m showing everybody love today..u need a hug

Honestly the competition between MCs in NYC set the bar high and actually made better music. As an visual artist myself, I’m like, how can I top what this other artist put out or how can I make different. It truly made everything that much better. And now we have a market that’s over saturated with the same beats, same cadence of repetitive dumbed down lyrics, and almost the same names…hell even the sane looks…almost every mumbler has dreads. There virtually nothing to differentiate one mumbler from the next but unfortunately it’s todays accepted medium.

Smartest response in these comments!! 💯

You're not the only one..no patience.🥴🥴🥺🥺🥺

NYC black population is bigger then any city south bro,

@@MrHnic95 New York is one city...there're way more blacks in the South than in New York or even the East Coast in general.

@@MrHnic95 nyc is immigrant central

@JaySavage_Sosa it is, but NYC has a larger American blacks population then southern cities

@@MrHnic95 *"In 2019, the South was the region with the highest share of the country’s Black population, with 56% of this population living there. The Midwest and Northeast each held 17% of this population, while the West was home to one-tenth of the Black population."*-- The Pew Research Center

Thats how you win.. I,am with you with this one bro.

@@jamaabdikarimjama7582 nah real rap you gotta stick together

And we still run it to this day

Exactly down south is about the vibe of the song not the lyrics themselves but if u can complement the beat with good lyrics than even better

Facts

You must be young

Jay Z is not lyrical. He's not even top 20.

@@sevens732000 lol...I'm 49😂 You must feel dumb...and I'm 100% sure you're young lol

@@sevens732000 Correct. This is like someone saying Kenny G is better than Coltrane.

Ny got too cerebral and its underground artist that spoke 100% NY became the worlds Popular music. Its the same thing that is happening with atl artist. Truth betold, the world was never supposed to hear WU, bootcamp click, mob or Mop. Same way the wold is not supposed to hear half of the 4th generation of rappers out the south that are speaking nothing but ATL lingo yo the world. I will say arrogance, cause NY thought the South was slow and just one big country. They got out hustled by southern indi artist while the we're hopping for a deal.

Well first and foremost all these rappers sound the same and rap about the same shit! The shit is watered down. This generation don't have true lyricist, it's a bunch of lullaby rappers on hot beats

[ Pigmeat Markham let's have some heat ] Type that in and listen to this rap song that came out in 1958. Pigmeat Markham is from the South. He's from North Carolina. He was rapping in the South long before he moved to New York, The Bronx that is. And I heard other people tell me that they grandparents and great grandparents use to tell them that people use to rap over the Blues in juke joints throughout the South way before the late 60s and early 70s. SO THE REAL REASON WHY NEW YORK LOST IT TO THE SOUTH IS BECAUSE IT REALLY ORIGINATE DOWN HERE TO BEGIN WITH. GOD IS JUST SHOWING US WHERE IT REALLY ORIGINATED FROM.

You should be arrogant tho you had the best emcees that battling made dudes sharp. You think a d4l coulda come outta new york. The south dumb hip hop down except for a few artist but 80% of southern rap is trash

@@janga75 the industry dumbed down rap. Now the issue is that NY got too cerebral.... and was talking to NY. The lingo and everything was on a nationally platform but it didn't represent all of the world as the other regions got their voice. Sorry to say, some people like to have fun some people hated the slamming it to the swerer type of rap when they loved sugar hill and Bambaataa. That is what the south gravitate to early on, hence the beats. Its just the style and lingo is not NYs now on a national platform. People hate when their ball gets taken and they can't get it back. Ny didn't evolve. Period.

Now the south got the worst rappers period

@@MrTD714 THATS EVERYBODY THEN b/c they BITING THE SOUTH STYLE so ain't NOBODY ANY GOOD 🤔

@@ogarchielee9880 Hey I'm from North Carolina and I'm 35 years old and in North Carolina we have MCs like J Cole who rap in an East Coast culture like Phonte and Little Brother, they've been around since The 2000s. North Carolina has a different sound and vibe from most other places in the south, North Carolina is East Coast by the way, it's just a few states lower than New York and Philly on The East Coast side of The U.S map but I rap for North Carolina and The South though so I love The South.

@@VoidDweller86 North Carolina is the south. Jus like Atlanta right next to NY but it’s southern af.

@@hassanx9423 North Carolina is also East Coast it’s just part of the South-Eastern part of USA compared to New York which is part of the North-Eastern part of East Coast

Preach!!!

Damn smh

NY was already divided by time 50 blew radio stations wouldn't even play a song if dj's from another station was mentioned on the songs

@@MrWARBUCKS24 alot of NY artists even said it; 50 is part of the downfall...... he beefed with everyone.....he is responsible for the isolation and crumbling of NYC. Ebro/50 killed NY hiphop. Did not groom NY rap talent. Asap influence by Houston why- Ebro was playing everything else but NY. 50 had leverage......biggest artistand on a great label Interscope. We can disagree!

@@MrWARBUCKS24 Can you imagine if Nas, JayZ and Puff held a New York Hiphop conference to align and unite the NYC artists during that time.......50Cent as well could have united. The egos/beefs and lack of respect for the craft all play a part. Ebro is not from NY and is part of the dismantling of NY Hot97- the lack of NY representatives on Radio is slim and some who are don't have the veteran status to make suggestions/comments.

@@rosierose4022 NY had a lot of shit going on behind the scenes before 50 blew hot 97 wouldn't play certain NY artist because of personal beefs they say 50 name because he's a easy scapegoat. The radio personalities becoming record execs did more damage then 50. Also look at the age of the new NY rappers they grew up in the internet more exposure to other regions music so of course they're gonna have different influences

“While sounding southern with Dr. Dre” only mf that sounds more NY on a track than 50 is maybe Joe 😂 That is not a southern sound, that was a “shot in the face and had recovered” voice affected, NY sound. NY doesn’t have to fall for the industry to grow, everyone talks like it’s WWII about this subject 😆When mfs figured out it could be done their way (which is kind of the whole idea of rap music) the music and the industry evolved accordingly. That doesn’t sound like much of a downfall to me, that and there wouldn’t be much competitiveness in rap history if not for a shake up like that. When it grows that progress, when it stays where it’s at is stifling progress - no matter how dope we might think/know in our minds a certain era is. Fact is, some of NYs best competitive track history comes out of stuff like that (minus the drama with violence and losing people). Complacency is what helps a genre fade out, Jazz and Opera being a perfect example. You might hear Blues and you might hear R&B, Rock or even Country, but think about how rare it is and how unlikely you are to see anyone bumping Jazz on any public radio forum. Maybe culturally in some places, but usually even that is live music. Point is, the success of southern rap music and the “downfall of NY” have nothing to do with each other. That’s like saying that purified bottled water sales (NY RAP) being affected by Gatorade (50) has something to do with spring water (the south). 50 definitely caused a ruckus, but that’s not on the south and I don’t even get where that came from. If they kept it in NY, it wouldn’t have grown past a certain point because you need diversity - it’s like how dining out used to be the only restaurant fix until fast food happened and yeah, people talk crap about fast food - while they’re in line to get it. To each their own, I guess. I don’t disagree with the fact that he was a big figure in that picture

Facts

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Period. Down south is about the vibe to the music not the lyrics. We like beats, dancing and gangsta shit not just pure lyrics

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@@mikedizzle5804yeah but yall got r&b and shit for that. RAP. Rhythm and POETRY. Hip hop IS lyrics this southern shit is country/r&b whatever yall wanna call it

Hell i alwas wondered was Grand daddy I U and father MC clones of Big daddy kane, pushed by labels.... I liked grand daddy IU... but bith felt like a ploy to get money out that lane. So it didn't start at the south

@@dangelowash1183 Cold Chillin and Biz was definitely trying to recreate Kane with Grand Daddy IU

Preach! People always dick ride on cats like Puffy who were just looking to mold artists to fit their mainstream pop narrative while DAME was actually the man, a cat who refused to be bossed and be any body's bitch he was his own boss and he actually wanted to put people on the game and help them make bread. Idgaf about Puffy or JAY egotistical ass, the realest business men in hip hop are MASTER P and my man DAME DASH!!!

We should've done that in the mid 80s. Way too late now.

@@seanyoung9014 we didn't understand the business. We still don't understand how we are an entity as a people in a capitalist society, as black people we are a brand and the brand is poorly managed and represented.

@@seanyoung9014 not going to say it s to late but who going to lead the charge. At this point you need someone like Jay, Wayne, Drake to start it

@@Kangman02 Yeah but they're some of the most self absorbed people in the game. Hov had a chance to do it when he became Def Jam president but let people talk him out of it. Drake and Wayne aren't doing anything for other artists like that. I can't see it.

@@youngfase5 That's for sure. Obviously it's intentional conditioning but it's time to move past that. As an audio engineer, I've worked with lots of just signed rappers and definitely think there should be financial literacy courses required before people even get into the recording booth.

Nah its not that simple but go head

@@202STFU if you look at it, it is. Before the so called “south take over” all New York biggest songs was club records. Every hit and anthem was record you could play in the club. Around 04/05 ish the south was crankin out club music left and right and shit was hitting. Same time New York was really making music for the club like that and when we did, we swore it was south music. For example mims - this is why I’m hot.

Yup its that simple. Lol rap became popular music and that shit needs ti be simple and easily digested hence the d4ls and master p start winning. If you grew up on kane rakim biggie cube etc this shit was horrible to listen to. The music changed and bars got left behind. It is what it is

Wayne and Luda no rapper maybe eminem but those two are the best and will remain that

Facts Lost generation

Excellent point!

We have a whole new wave still runniing drip rap.We have not fell off it isnjust old heads stuck in the past.I am an old head but I fuck s with the new generation of HH of NYC.Kay flock,22GS ,Fivio,Lil TJ it is mad heat rocka in the city.Then we have Benny Griselda..I call bullshit on that we fell off

@@elliot2177 Yes we have relevant artist that cater to the younger crowd They do wat they do But let’s be honest Them guys are not on a level w the lil Baby’s or Gunna or Durk Because they following the trend created by other regions If I wanna hear drill imma listen to someone from Chicago If I wanna here about percs n pills and it’s lit every five seconds I will listen to Travis Scott or something The beats are all production from London So wat is really being added to the table??

@@Synchronite Durk from Chi not south and NYC took over drill which is the dominating force in HH.Lil Baby isnt drill.Nor is Gunna.

Well said. I'm 48 year old Blackman who grew up in St.Louis during the Golden era of hip hop. I'm well verse in most genres of music having a uncle who played the sax and was on the New York jazz scene of the 60s thru the 80s. And I just luv musicianship over entertaining for the masses. I love that Rakim, LL, Brother J, Krs 1?, Special Ed and the such were so young yet had the vocabulary of a college professor. I just can't get with the current thing they call hip hop. I hate its so low brow and so simplistic in rhyme style and subject matter. Its a terrible influence on our youth in our communities. I know there is some artists who purvey positivity and most are underground. But in the late 80s you had such a variety in styles and no one sounded alike. And it was about who was the dopest and had the best skill set on the Mike. Now if you didn't care about lyrical skill set you still had the 2 live crew or Too Shorts of the world but even those acts could put out some good material. You had a wide range of styles that were showcased in the mainstream and you still had a viable underground scene. Damn you had to live thru it to understand why my generation gets so sentimental about 80's and 90's hip hop.

The majors figured out that southern artist are cheaper

Why did nicki Minaj and Canadian have to go go the south to get hot lol

Nah Luda been spitting bars. Dont nobody wanna battle luda. But i hear what you saying.

@@MrWARBUCKS24 NOBODIES TALKIN BOUT THAT ( WHISPER VOICE).

Ppl need to stop with that 50 was beefing with everybody shit what 50 did with nothing new in NY cause during that same time T.i was beefing with Luda Flip and Shawty Lo then Gucci and Jeezy beef a lot of south beef at that time

Thats facts, Im from Jersey with NYC roots and now our towns are getting gentrified in the north side of the state also. More African/Carribean and less FBAs in NJ and NY.

The politics and jobs down here can’t compare to NYC though. Up north we had unions with better retirement and medical benefit packages compared to down south. The medical benefits down south can’t match NYC plus you mention Union down south and everyone gets scared and afraid to speak up on their jobs but Not in NYC. They have better job security up north. The south has right to work states so they can easily fire you if they can. They can’t easily do that up north. The only thing the south has over NYC is the houses are more affordable but given the state of the economy, it’s gotten more expensive in the south.

@@Bcilloz Sure 30 years ago 😂😂 ! Unions don’t really exist any more ! Aka no job has medical benefits etc especially seeing how USA is heading in a government run health care system! However there is a resurgence in unions ! as for black Americans (descendants of USA chattel slavery) understand that majority of us live in the south & have always lived in the south ! So it only makes sense for hiphop to now be based in the south seeing how all the origins of hiphop comes from the south via great migration

Yeah, I peeped that too. Eventually, life will humble you...no matter where you from.

Willy D said it best the song The World is a ghetto.

Yup and they didn't realize that people outside of NY didn't care about none of that shit. I can't even remember all the mixtape beef with dudes I never even heard of back in the 2000s. They was on some high school shit frfr.

guess yall dont know , but thats what Hip Hop is .

This!

@@JDiggiti I get what you're saying but that's what NY Hip-Hop is. I think the disconnect here is that Hip-Hop (sub-culture) is not the same in every region. I think if we all understood that, we could understand and respect each other better.

My guy Jada still goes.

The south is trash! Popular doesn't mean dope! It's like Future vs Joel Ortiz. One is popular the other is actually talented!

@@100timessquare you salty.huh

They starting to sound more like Chicago drill now

@@postmastersgt1670 Ny niccaz been weird they still say pause and shit that's crazy 🤦🏿‍♂️

So true Im from the A as well and i def felt that vibe happening where they said if we gone rap we gone do it for the money and forget the beefing. Even tho like you said it still happens but that was the still the movement behind it. And it was so respected cuz it was black owned building up our folks, always was the larger picture

Nawl...they just make better music.

Wow, totally agree 👍 👏 I'm from Georgia and I was a drill Sergeant and 1SG and I've never had a dirt bag Soldier from NY

@@BattlefieldTampaTV5 Have you thought about it prior to now?

@@catdaddytv0706 honestly, no but your comment got me reminiscing and I had to keep it 💯 👌. Great point!

@@BattlefieldTampaTV5 dilly dilly 🍺🍺

Thank you! I grew up in the South and moved to NYC right out of high school and spent a great deal of my young adult life up there. Moved back and I noticed a huge difference in the brothas I met up there from that brothas they have down here. It’s seemed like nothing changed. Don’t get me wrong you got some good dudes down here but I find that brothas from up North are more apt to keep it 💯

Being a big rap star from Louisiana isn’t uncommon that’s a norm this way.