What could happen to Singapore in 10 years 

I don’t wish Singapore to be like New York.

Don’t quite agree. The biggest reason for ensuring ethnic quotas in buildings is to ensure that new immigrants learn to assimilate into Singapore society now. The problem is that the new immigrants are no longer middle class and getting too rich, they don’t buy HDBs. They buy up 10 condo apartments in one go. It’s a problem. And local Indian population is wary of the influx of Indian immigrants - a reason is because many of our local Indian population had humble beginnings, who did they think followed the British down to Southeast Asia ? They were indentured servants, low caste, poor, just like the Chinese who took refuge here were landless peasants struggling with starvation and the collapse of the Qing dynasty. The new immigrants are affluent and bring their caste relations here. The problem with ethnic ghettos is that many of these places end up as circles of poverty. You need only look at how segregated London is - by race AND by wealth. We already are dealing with the latter. I think LKY is right when he says people need a nudge to mix around, or they will stay in their enclaves because it’s more comfortable to do so. We need more assimilation. This is our community and our society - we want unity and common ground. I don’t share his dream of seeing Singapore turn into a museum or a microcosm of societies around the world. Rather than focus on how people can enjoy the view of us, I’d rather we focus on bettering the lives of everyone within. We will be better with more understanding of and commingling with each other. I would respectfully disagree with your guest. Singapore will be fine for only as long as it remains affluent and stable as a society. Once jobs start getting scarce, all the graciousness will go out of the window just like it did in the US and London. Alt right movements, blaming foreigners for stealing your jobs, (and in south Korean’s case, since they can’t blame foreigners, there’s a huge movement blaming feminist movements for the loss of jobs). Xenophobia, discrimination will come when people are fighting for scraps. Conversely If everyone has enough to eat and lives comfortably, they will be willing and happy to be gracious. I think this point is missed. I want to see a vibrant arts scene in Singapore too. I’m in my mid twenties, not old or conservative, I was not a PAP voter in the previous election, yet I do not wish to see Singapore go the way of any American city. I think people take too much of the stability here for granted. A free wheeling democracy - does that mean a bipartisan government that shoots down good ideas simply because it comes from the other side, and a society so bogged down by divisive politics that people are no longer able to be kind or calm with each other? Be careful of what you wish for. I do not want Singapore to turn out like London.

I like this interview because I dont agree with a lot of Sudhir's points. I think its important to have my thinking challenged now and then and contrarian interviews like this do that. It also keeps the channel fresh and relevant. Keep em coming Max!

As a native Singaporean, I'm not so worried about racial/religious divides. BUT there is a real threat from economic gentrification; rich versus poor, better educated against less educated, and political divides on geopolitical lines.

As a Naturalised Singaporean who served the Army here (originally from the States), I gotta say if you are not paying attention to the present FALL of the Western empire and the RISE of the East and lessons to be learnt from it, you are living under a rock and need to be more attentive towards the world. I do wish Singaporeans spoke in a better fashion tho - LKY dreamt of a Singapore where Singaporeans could compete globally with their ENGLISH ability. A New Yorker can go to any part of the world, including Singapore, and dominate because if you can make it in NYC, you can make it anywhere. I'm not sure about Singaporeans. If there is ONE thing Singaporeans need to learn from Americans, it is their ability to articulate, debate ideas and think independently. I see too many sheeps here.

Having ethnic ghettos is something SG should strive for? I’m starting to think Harvard graduates aren’t the sharpest tools in the shed 🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️

Very articulate guest and very willing to share his honest opinion.

Whether you agree with the opinion of this guest I think it is good to have this topic up for discussion. Future of Singapore 10-20 years later is decided by us now

SG is a very small country which cannot afford to hv any explosive social unrest so having pockets of ethnic enclaves over a long period of time (decades) may create unnecessary tensions. Prevention is better than cure imho. 😅

strongly disagree with ethnic communities. keep integration as a priority.

Left to their own natural inclinations, people tend to gravitate towards others just like themselves. Which means that ethnic ghettos are the natural tendency. This might not be such a problem if you’re just one city out of many in a big country. People can always move to another neighbourhood or city where they feel more comfortable. But Singapore is a small city, and also a country, and being multi religious and multi cultural, racial and religious harmony is THE priority, given our past history of destructive race riots (the most recent being the 2013 Little India riot). British colonial rule emphasised communalism under their “divide and rule” policy. So long as the people remained divided, they could be easily controlled and governed by the colonial power. But communalism is divisive, not unifying, and therefore not good for nation building. (We only need to look at our neighbour to the North as an example.) The present social harmony we have achieved is not to be taken for granted. It is fragile and easily broken, and once broken, is hard to restore. Having people living in ethnic ghettos tends to promote mutual misunderstanding and distrust, an “us versus them” mentality. On the other hand, when people are “forced” to live with neighbours from different races, they get to understand them better, become more tolerant, and learn to get along with people different from themselves. HDB, national service and public schools all serve this vital function. This is the price we pay for social cohesion and harmony. What’s so bad about that?! The American melting pot (more a mosaic than a melting pot) that preserves distinct ethnic communities intact also struggles with a long history of systemic racism against non-whites that is still a problem today. Just look at how anti-Asian hate crimes surged in the US in the wake of the Covid pandemic. As for allowing foreigners a say on local issues, it depends on what the local issues are, and what you mean by allowing them a say. On political or policy matters, only citizens should have a say because they are the real stakeholders by virtue of their status, with a vested interest in the wellbeing of Singapore and they also have to live with the consequences if things go badly for SG (unlike foreigners who can just light fires and leave). Opening the door for foreigners to have a say on local issues opens the door to unnecessary and potentially insidious foreign interference in our domestic affairs. Do we want that? This is a real threat that goes back to 1960 when Mr LKY revealed that the CIA had tried to buy information from an SG intelligence officer and then tried to bribe Mr Lee to cover up the matter. It is a fact that some countries try to influence other countries for their own agenda, by hook or by crook. (Eg the CIA allegedly actively supported HK pro-independence activists in the HK riots a few years ago; the Chinese spy scandal here involving one Huang Jing and Dickson Yeo). We shouldn’t be naive and make it easier for foreign interests to meddle in our domestic affairs. In fact, SG, Australia and Canada have already enacted laws to target such foreign interference.

Singapore should jealously defends itself as a sovereign state and not degrade to a city of the world.

I support SG system. The government is working very hard to make SG a better place for the people. I don’t wish SG to be like NY or other countries. SG is unique and all races United. There is no need to form groups. I think different people have different perspectives or perceptions and a choice to move to the country they prefer.

I don’t agreed with everything your guest is saying. Singapore/Singaporeans are more embracing to foreigners but we cannot say the same about Foreigners embracing us, Asian, Chinese, Malay, Indian etc etc.

Very few people will agree with Sudhir that Singapore is not a global city simply because of its policy on race relations. Singapore, by design, is global because its very existence depends on global trade and openness to the outside world. Moreover, the fact that Singapore manages race relations perhaps better than most countries speaks volumes of the government's will to ensure fairness and equality for all peoples in the land. Singapore has no problem with being welcoming to foreigners and many continue to value Singapore's future-oriented people and policies.

The Economist, which Sudhir, worked for is not known to be friendly to Singapore. Sudhir could have been influenced by the people working for this out-of-touch magazine. "A thriving, rich, organic, free flowing democracy" (in Sudhir's own words) is the solution for the next stage of Singapore's development, never mind what has proven to work. This man is a writer and someone who can "delete" his mistakes on his computer. For real people, these political mistakes have sharp consequences. Sudhir has been spending too much time in his room and not enough time at Meet-the-People's Session meeting ordinary people with real-life struggles. Singapore is not perfect, but I think it's working.

Sudhir is a co-founder of Jom and works for the Economist. The bureau chief for the Economist in Singapore, Dominic Ziegler has just been issued a warning by MCI for interference with domestic politics for endorsing Jom. No wonder the tone of Sudhir reply to some of the questions has this weird vibe. He wants liberal press, there is liberal press in Singapore, but we also expect the press to be truthful and gives the gov of the day the right of reply.

There was a time when meritocracy actually existed in Singapore. I believe it no longer exists today because one can easily get away being incompetent if you have enough money or born in the right village and it so happens that the department head of your company only hires from people from that village.

Foreigners can come here but have to interact with local too. Then there will be harmony. Dun agreed thar they still stick to their 'own circle" as they are in Singapore. Dat my view. 🎉

Singapore in a way is similar to Ireland. Both countries so rich from foreign money, that it become hard to live because things are so expensive.

It’s better to have different races spread across the island than form ethnic enclaves.

Did Sudhir forget about the race riot in the 60s? Not only that but the recent riot in Little India. Race policy here in Singapore is not without reason. It is foolish to forget history. Also, look at France and Europe with its pockets of ethnic-based neighborhoods. Singapore unlike those big countries, any of those riot is too big for the little red dot.

he is a journalist and worked for the Economist ( so predictable what he has to say) . There is no such thing as "free" democracy like "free" market . Currently "free" democracy means Washington is your boss. For ~95% of the Americans, ethnic enclaves are not relevant to their lives . Capitalism is jsut a scheme not a "western" way/culture. Also note his virtue signaling.

Openness is fine but not too open. Some newcomers are troublemakers and just refuse to integrate/adapt to the local norms. Look at what is happening in Germany, Sweden and France.

To prepare Singapore for the future, we can also learn from the past - Republic of Venice, Kindom of Ryukyu, etc.

I agree with a lot of the points this guy stated, like how Singapore is actually very materialisttic and realistic. I stayed 10years in sg and it still couldn't offer the spiritial freedom that I felt while I was at the State, it's like nothing could compare that. I moved back because I couldn't get a working visa over there. I'm 2 weeks into moving back to sg and have been enjoying the local food and convenience. I suppose I develop quite an extrem view in my time at the States. When I'm more finiancially stable I would want to devote myself occationally for the better of the world, to volunteer in south east asia, though in my current situation, I haven't even yet to take care of loved ones, I would still try. To keep pursue my passion and dream outside my current career. I'm originally from China btw.

Thanks for the upload!

Refreshing! Still one of the best guest interviewee in my honest opinion. Sudhir offers different alternatives views as compared to boring mainstream views like “Singapore is the best country in the world”… 🤦🏼

Very regressive views from Sudhir.

What makes Singapore stand out is what we are, our way of running the country. If we were to be like our major cities, we would be just one of them but smaller and probably with the many problems in these major cities.

The interviewer and interviewee actually look like each other so much. Like brothers. Amazing

I quite liked your channel! You have found a niche in a saturated area and i really enjoy your content, getting different perspectives and getting many people to come onboard the channel! Initially, your videos were more to helping foreigners (even some locals!) navigate some of the challenges of moving to a new country, what to expect from the culture, the cultural nuances of Singapore, what to do, what are the different opinions of different expats, locals, PRs etc. Cultural differences in each backgrounds. In my humble opinion - Will the content be even better if questions are more tailored to the origins of this channel, as compared to how the videos are now? And of course, I disagree with your guest on various topics and answers - Why should Singapore be the Londons or New Yorks of the world? We have a unique standing in the world and of course it comes along with its trade-offs. It's not about modelling Singapore to become the Londons and New Yorks of the world. It's not even the question of which city is better. it's about People and what works for us and in a larger context. I disagree that we should model Singapore to the Londons & New Yorks of the world. I would argue that Singapore's multi-cultural society is one of our stronger traits. You can be anywhere from the world. We would not look at you based on your skin color (of course, which individual doesn't have that mental bias?) And 'that' forced integration in our HDBs are actually benefitting our society as a whole, yes there are nuances that we complain about (who doesn't?) Would I want to live in a neighbourhood that is 'ring fenced' to a certain race? No, Singaporeans grew up to look beyond the surface. Respectfully. And yes, we do have certain levels of racism (which country doesn't?). But we are in a pragmatic society, which I believe most of our culture believes in - 'nobody is going to give you opportunities if you don't fight for it.' (let's not go there). BUT, I do believe even if we are fighting, arguing, cracking race jokes... I believe in this saying 'Only Singaporeans can make fun of Singaporeans'. If someone else makes fun of us, we will stop arguing and we as Singaporeans will fight back as One.

Singapore doesn't simply follow the flawed US democracy. Many areas adopting democracy are not successfully and causing chaotic, preventing it from progression. Drop it is the right move, but can they drop it?

Yes. Singapore is very attractive to wealthy people. Look at the billion dollars laundry shop that’s been operating quietly for a while that’s under investigation now.

Intelligent guy. Love to hear him talk more.

That's a great way to promote racial disharmony. When people are self segregated, they look at the neighboring hoods, find them odd, and think they should not be there.

Max Chernov meets his Twin ?

Well....that depends on what's the definition of 'free flowing kind of democracy', if that means US's kind of democracy, no thank you. If Singapore had wanted to go in the direction of rich oil-states, we would have done so long ago.

He is quite naive to say we should let foreign people have a say in our country. This is a security situation which LKY defended vigorously against this foreign interference. And no we don't need follow other people footstep. We study them and create our own. Xia suay Singaporean. Go be a US citizen

Great video Max..! I don’t envy the ‘western democracy’… Singapore way (example forced integration) is better and more successful for Singapore. Agree that inflow of wealth can be concerning and need to be managed

Wheres the green yard at 16:18 located?

Mr Sudhir hit the nail on the head.Actually there are lot of better countries all over Asia.And I have been to all these countries.I am willing to assist anyone who wants to come to this region.And there is so much potential here

I disagree with Sudhir. I do not subscribe to that 'freedom of expression' like London or USA. Singapore is a nation state. The hard earned security can be easily broken once chaos start in Singapore. As he said, London is a city NOT a nation state. Even if part of London burns, there will be places where the people can flee to. Not Singapore. Human emotions can be unpredictable.

Excellent insightful episode. 👍👍👍

This guy may have lived in the us for a few years but he is naive to the deep rooted racial issues here. He bring up Flushing as an example of a successful ethnic enclave but that is largely because flushing is predominantly Chinese where crime rates are extremely low due to their culture. Other ethnic neighborhoods are far less safe.

Nice POV. We are Singapore, Singaporeans.

What Sudhir said about how he perceive SG will be like in the next 20-30 yrs is awakening. Hope the govt policies and Singaporeans don’t follow the Middle East route. Pray and hope we will strive to be a model global cosmopolitan city with multi racial, religious & cultural harmony and people with a big heart of love & compassion where lower income group is less than 10%

One correction though , Even in USA foreigners ( non US pR) can't participate in national debate .. same as Singapore .. having said that the demarcation in Singapore is "Unique"

Hey Max, can you do a interview with Neil Humphreys?

How come Max and Sudhir look like brothers 🤩

Singapore is already so good to foreigners compared to locals. Local men have to serve 2 years in NS, and many reservists after that. What do foreigners have to give on top of locals to live in Singapore? Almost nothing, especially when locals often pay higher taxes because richer foreigners earn most of their money through capital gain.

I think Sudhir is a bit naïve in the aspect of social integration. People naturally will not seek to integrate unless they are forced to. Otherwise, why would ethnic enclaves appear in the first place? Even Singapore in her early days is not socially integrated. Sure, we can transform certain areas in Singapore to have a strong Chinese/Indian/American/Thai influence whereby businesses from the same region congregate together, to leave social integration on its own is bound for disaster. There are already so many examples in the global world that reflect this.

I have watched a lot of your videos..I love the selection of guests....so diverse ….is it possible to a guest who is originally from Sri Lanka? As a Sri Lankan I would like to get their experience and advice as well…❤

Great insights but a few I do not agree. I disagree with letting foreigners meddling with our politics. If my kids misbehave, I won't let non-family members discipline my kids. Others might tell me what was the issue, afterwhich based on what I agree and disagree, I will do the disciplining myself. Foreigners should give up their passports first before if they want to push for change. If they screw up Singapore, they can run off but Singaporeans have to inherit the crap they leave behind. How can one be allowed to make political/civil changes when they have no accountability of the consequences. I hope he is one who let strangers discipline his kids for having such noble thoughts of letting foreigners interfere with our politics. His view on racial harmony seemed conflicted with realities. We have seen repeatedly that communication is the bedrock of better understanding between countries. The way I see it, the racial quota for public housing will support this belief as neighbours will bound to see each other. There are bound to be frictions but through communications, or mediations, relations can be smoothened. Nowadays, people also like to share on Internet and often get schooled by netizens. To have enclaves, these "lapping" opportunities would have been lost. Being a city-state, Singapore needs to have her people working towards the common goal to survive external threats in the realist world, not towards internal fighting based on idealism but neglect the external threats. Why should Singapore be more like London instead of being herself? UK wants to be the Singapore of Europe, and London wants to be Singapore on Thames, remember? Each city/country should be themselves. Given the opportunities that Singapore's system provided for most Singaporeans, each is free to choose to the place where they want to emigrate easily. NTU and NUS grads qualify for the high talent visa to work in UK. If he likes London more, perhaps he can move there instead of trying to make Singapore more "London". It is easier for him and the others who prefer Singapore's current trajectory. He is only a minority liberal noise in the midst of the majority conservative voice. Being liberal does not make his noise louder or more right and he should remember that Singapore is not his alone.

hongkong like singapore.. i think KL is more same.. i feel totally not out of place when i am in KL.. everything is like same between KL and Singapore..

Sudhir looks just like a subcontinent-guy version of Max! that is all. (well, except...good episode! as someone currently living in the SF East Bay but constant visitor to SG, this one really resonated with me)

Your best guest so far 💯 Very nuanced view of Singapore. Instead of just the mega rich.

I have to disagree with him here. Humans are imperfect in nature and we tend to congregate together with people of similar skin color. Call it racist, but that’s just human nature. The government recognized that and hence the compulsory immersion of different races in Singapore. How often do we hear about racial driven incidents in Singapore? Whereas racial driven crimes in US are so prevalent.

Foreign wealth flows into Singapore because of our current political, financial, legal and social systems. Some people don’t like our systems, well they can move their money to elsewhere. Singapore is a controlled system. From this guest, wealthy people still like Singapore. So we are on the right path. No need to compare with NY city.

I am in two minds about Singapore becoming a more 'global city' a la NY or London. London (the city I was born and bred in) is today a completely different city to the one I grew up in in the 1970s. London was already a global city in 1980, but it was still 80% white British back then. Today it is 37%. British people do not identify with London as their capital in the same way that say, the Poles or Italians identify with their capitals. It has become a foreign country to them. The British can and have retreated to other UK cities or the countryside, and have essentially 'given up' on their capital. Singaporeans do not have such alternatives.

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Max, you are a content creator and ultimately responsible for the contents you deliver. You should not play politics. Seems like inciting Singaporeans to go against the non-segregation long in place. As a guest here, please behave accordingly. This is not the US and that sort of democracy is not welcomed here.

It’s not logical to compare global cities with city states. City states have many more strategic considerations. Ethnic enclaves can be disastrous- Paris (another global city) racial violence is a case in point. A great way to be vested in Singapore is NS. It’s an effective tool for racial integration. The interviewee claimed Singapore meritocracy has flaws - would’ve been good to flesh that out a bit.

There are actually a lot of resident foreigners who do a lot of volunteer work in charities in Singapore. I would even argue that they are disproportionately represented in some charities (for e.g. charities dealing with migrant worker issues).

Is Singapore losing it’s Ethnic Chinese Majority?

As a Singaporen who has lived in a western country for the last 15 years, I have observed that Singaporeans need to know your worth. Your in-built work ethics, integrity, your top-notch education are your best assets and prized by many employers around the world. Be confident, speak up, be assertive and don’t think that the westerners are better than you. I can assure you they are not. The west is free falling in many ways - education, morality, work ethics. Look at US, Canada, Australia. You can take pressure because the Singapore education has honed you in a pressure cooker. You survived that; you can survive many things. You have had the spirit of excellence instilled in you from young. All these are your assets. Another thing I do think you need to develop is to argue and articulate your ideas and thoughts clearly and intelligently. Develop public speaking skills. You already have a lot of critical thinking built into you through Singapore Maths! But now learn to apply it to your work, political and social environment!

I do not agree to get foreigners involved in national issues so that they will stay. This is No No.

I wishing more cities like Singapore in the world,less places like San Francisco,Oakland ,Los Angeles,New York,Paris,graffiti,high crimes,dirty streets etc.

Fantastic video ! I love the content but its just too long. I like the part on the future of singapore.

I love his analysis. 100 percent. Very Insightful

It’s already happening now. Hard truths 🙏

One fear one would have is it is a real island ( even HK has more area) is if things go wrong ( natural disaster or man made one0 where would people go ... hats off to Singapore for handling the Covid and other such disasters in the past

No, thank you. Keep your free flowing democracy.

Why is there a saying that you need five C to have a good life in SG Car/ Condo/ Club .. +2?

Emmm....there is mention of India FT...???

I am always cautious and aware when I am overseas. New York city is one of the cities of the USA.

We know that the Singapore Government is not foolish. They have learned from many past mistakes. Each time they come out more victorious than b4. Corruption is never their password. So l have more confidence in the Finance Minister than any foreign soothsayer. Thank you.

So do you walk freely without fear in all those ethnic communities late night in NY?

The problem with Singapore is that it lacks good opposition candidates. Politicians in oppositions do not have the charm nor wits to compete sufficiently with PAP. We need more people like you in politics!

This is the best guest in your show. Super smart and insightful.

Fantastic interview.

Have to say this is your first and most “woke” guest and surprisingly a bloody Singaporean !!!!! 😂😂

I read the comments and people said he writes for the economist, thats all i need to know that i dont need to listen to him.

Maybe your guest can elaborate or explain why Singapore doesn't have a free flowing democracy , most Singaporean at least know we do have open and fair elections , is this correct

To me personally, democracy cant fill my stomach. what i seek are Cash, health and security. The rest are just nothing to me. Take for instance, in some cities in USA, you don't even know when you will become the victim of crimes. Take another example, the starting salary in ROC, Taiwan for graduates is NTD30k to 35k equating to less than SGD2k. Enough to fill stomach? with no strength talk about democracy?

True, money buy money. No money no talk. Ppl who are focus too much on money will become obsessive and become heartless.

As a foreigner. Singapore provides stability. We dont need to serve the country but enjoy the benefits before going back to malaysia

The problem is his statement "a place where people JUST dump money". That only occurs in the imagination of some misguided minds.

This guy F9 in history and social studies

Please enjoy the facilities are implemented by fasten your seat belts

Didn’t agree with everything what with the global city but this was super interesting and intelligent. More like this, please!

As a Singaporean who has live in USA for 35 years, I have mixed opinions about Sudir's honest assessments and opinions. He is honest, I have to give that. However, USA is virtually a continent and even though his limited time and stay in a vast country provide some invaluable insights and observations, the limitations become obvious on issues of race, politics, religion, history, geography, and culture. I may have miss something about his background, but maybe he's just an economist. However, he is definitely not an anthropologist, historian, geographer, political scientist, or sociologist, and this becomes obvious on his naive (again he is honest I have to give that) belief that there should be ethnic enclaves in Singapore. This would have disruptive if not terrible consequences on Singapore society as some other readers have pointed out. This is not meant to put a damper on what is an interesting and candid interview of a clearly bright and observant individual. It is just that there are limitations to his observations and opinions.

I think it is not wise to "bend so much" in order to connect with the world, to the extent, we lose our Singaporean identity, a unique identity that cannot be explained in a few words or sentences, yet it lies deep in our hearts. I think it is a mechanism within national-decision makers and even individual Singaporeans to know "how much is too much", and for whatever reasons such as economical ones. Too many Singaporeans who were exposed abroad (studies, work, living etc) want to change Singapore to become the places they like or lived in for a period of time. True that to be invested, we do need to have some emotional stakeholdership, and it can be helpful the foreigners who want to stay in Singapore or become PRs or Citizens to reach out according to our Singapore culture, rather than wanting to change our culture, and I believe there are many who are sincere, authentic enough to reach out to us according to our culture and way of life. For the reasons they want to stay here in Singapore is already a sign there are things that draw them here isn't it so (other than those who treat us as stepping stones and make use of us)? Why not complete the migration package and just join in our culture? There is an appropriate warm respectful way any parents who would allow their kids' friends to come play at their homes, even staying over for dinner, and making friends with them, even eventually they might become family due to the closeness, but yet able to hold the line that they do not mess up the very home that was built for their own families. The parents will know who are the genuine and sincere ones who really love their kids and want to grow close to their families.

There is a fine line between diversity and super diversity, just be mindful

He wants foreigners to have a stake in spore? Sure, become a citizen first.

Eloquent 🙂👍

The economist have journalist, not economist

It is great for reach people but for unskilled locals things are not that great you see people working in take away who should be enjoying retirement they work not because they want to but for they HAVE too ...I am not talking about hawker stall owners ( who are probably very wealthy any way) but the staff at McDonalds etc!

Its impossible to have pockets of ethnic communities unless its of the 3 main races in Singapore. Singapore is just too small to have a few pockets much less many of different race and nationality. Also, i don't think the timeline matter, its human nature to have ethnic tensions. I see it as a spectrum, it happened before in Singapore and it was ugly, its very possible we could head back to that ugly direction if we are not careful. Its unfortunate that we lost the beauty of having strong ethnic communities and strength, especially in the global sense. But there is also another side of it which is a new sense of identity and coexisting culture, the Singaporean culture. Which breeds things like Singlish, multiracial harmony and more. It may not appeal to the global mass, but i think its unique and actually forerunning. I'm someone more of a globalist or collectivist than individualist, eventually the world would see ourselves as one human race and come together with a common language and culture, not by selecting one but by mixing many.

Sudhir a Rishi Sunak. Choc Ice.