4:59 okay I never understood this part why people think he's breaking the fourth wall he's merely referencing cliche anytime someone else says something like this it's considered just that referencing the fact that this seems like a cliche however because Deadpool's involved everyone immediately thinks it's breaking the fourth wall this for some reason just made me uncomfortably angry and I'm not yelling at you but I just thought I should bring it up
he's a great example of how subjective and weird alignment can be, and multiple people can disagree while all being correct. I see the argument for him being CN as much as I see one for him being CE
Totally right! I always put that little disclaimer "This is subjective" and I try to include choices saying "If you said it was this...I wouldn't disagree" implying that I am definitely not the end all be all. My little "bit" at the beginning is directed solely at people who dismiss the discussion altogether :) but, this is the internet :) and we're nerds and nerds like to argue :)
2:39 : Is this character still a thing? Answer: No, because Deadpool used Cable's timemachine in Deadpool 2 to go back in time and kill that monstrocity.
"A Wolverine with the humor and personal outlook of a millennial who was exclusively taught comedy through Rick & Morty." I couldn't have said it better myself.
"Casual torture, Chaotic Neutral" I /hard/ disagree with that. Torture, regardless of who it's being done to, is very evil. From your Shrek video, your definition includes "Deliberately harm" and "Dick Moves"
I'd say it's because of the gigantic screw-up Francis did to Wade. Because if that didn't happen, I bet he wouldn't have as much of a reason to beat Francis into a bloody pulp. And that's the epitome of moral neutrality: you do nothing to me, I do nothing to you.
That's true. That's why he's chaotic good, and not Chaotic Neutral or evil. As he, at least in his mind, believes he's going good things. However, I do get your point
@@donniejefferson9554 the alignment is about how the character perceives the world, not the inverse, so if he has good intentions he is good, even if other people think he is bad, that would be his reputation
@@sabin97 that's is semi true. However, while their perception of certain acts are seeing them as good actions, it cannot excuse seriously diabolical acts. For example, look at their video on joker. When the joker for an example of this. E.g. the things with the neighbour ect
The way that they talk in his brief moments of "death" in totally how Deadpool and Death talk in the comics, even in the video game where they talk. I thought it was common knowledge it was so blatant.
Agreed, and I didn’t like it, lol. Vanessa was always my least favorite of his love interests, especially because in the comics their relationship is toxic and it drags him down. I would had liked Death to appear, and for her to stay dead and have Cable donX-Force in the next movie and introduce Deadpool to Siryn (the one that made him want to be a better person).
There is one comic run where deadpool stops a girl from jumping off a building and takes her out to see Hamilton and he was texting staff at mental help facility and took there to give her treatment. This version of deadpool is definitely chaotic good.
I love this format of basically doing a review through character's choices, Currently watching Season three of Castlevania and these kind of videos make me appreciate character's like Isaac and his weird character choices.
Knowing that you were formerly a teacher, when you said "did you get all that? There _will_ be a test on this," I thought for a brief moment that you were being serious and reached for a notepad and pencil to start taking notes. You still got it, Stuart. ^_^
The Lady Death would've been interesting, and they even had a moment they could've easily set it up. When Wade "dies" and goes to Vanessa in the afterlife, when she reaches across the barrier that was stopping Wade from moving on, her arm should've turned into a skeleton's arm implying it's really Death. This would've worked especially considering when Wade goes through the barrier, he looks like he did before the Weapon X program.
You know, it's weird, because I almost feel like Deadpool exists just to have character growth with a minimum of prompting in other marvel series. If Deadpool shows up supporting the baddies, you know he's gonna flip at the relative drop of a hat.
"he's not chaotic neutral" half the video is him describing desdpool's actions as chaotic neutral. Not to mention some of those neutral actions could be argued are actually evil. I do agree he's more good than bad at the end though, so chaotic good makes sense, but I feel like he went easy on some of his actions just so it leaned a little more towards good.
Great video, I agree with you on most things: Starting a bar fight "for the lols" is Chaotic Evil. He is using other people's pain for gratification. It doesn't matter if it's funny, still evil. You could also argue that manipulating the X-Men to go on an adventure is also Chaotic evil as he is using them for personal gain but eh. Overall, Deadpool is certainly good-aligned!
@@TheLoadingCrew Need to think about the scene the followed the fight... Bartender (forgot his name) checks to see if he was alive... Wade bet on the guy to die, so he could win the deadpool.
@@tomon5598 Torture is only chaotic evil if the reason is evil. Torture so you can find out where the remaining Jedi can be found? Lawful Evil. Torture so you can find out where your kidnapped daughter is? Chaotic Good.
the important thing you missed in the beginning is that the reason deadpool can reference alternate timeline info is that he has an ability that allows him to know that he is in a comic/movie/whatever he even knows that ryan reynolds is playing him.
Ok I respect your opinion of deadpool 2. I disagree as I think it gives him more development and has some hit jokes but I can entirely understand your view. Also I want to say I love the channel, your description of the alignment system is what infuse for my games.
The Vanessa character in shares a name with a character in the comic called Copycat a shapeshifter. So she might actually have power if not now then down the road
He's always been chaotic good in my mind, he's out there trying to solve his own problems like we all do, except occasionally and often unknowingly he rolls over some good guys and some bad guys alike. It happens when you're as resourceful as he is. He doesn't go out of his way to hurt the good guys unless they're hindering his personal goals, and often tries to rationalize with them first.
His cancer is why his healing factor is through the roof and why he looks like a “radioactive sharpei bit Ryan Renolds” (he said that line in the comics a few minutes before he was slurped up by Cable).
Comics Deadpool is lawful evil first (the original Deadpool was just an assassin) going to chaotic good to chaotic neutral. Film Deadpool is never evil, just chaotic neutral to chaotic good.
Before watching this video I got an ad for some mobile game a bunch of Marvel characters are fighting and Deadpool Captain America says "Tony - shield refraction" and Iron Man shoots an energy beam and Captain America uses his shield to redirect it. Deadpool, impressed by this, throws a grenade at some scrub and shouts "New guy grenade refraction" dude blows up of course and Deadpool rushes over calls for a medic only for the guy to retort I am the medic.
Casual torture is CE... CN is disrupting others and sometimes antagonizing people for fun, but not to the extent of torturing or killing them without a good reason. I would also argue that killing can't be good, but can be Ln-Cn.
Going on a more mild interpitation of Evil there Evil is Selfishness, Deadpool is Chaotic Evil. It just so happens that his Chaotic Evil intreasts align with being a Anti-hero
Professor X. Could know about the old time line because he can read Logins mind. Then as he gets older he starts confusing his memories and logins memorizes from the old time line.
um the reason Charles knows about the future time line is that he probs read logan's mind a couple of times to modify events, its kinda odd but it could work
Umm... chaotic neutral. A lot of What he does is based on how he feels about the person he's protecting/hired to do a job for. When he's doing stuff for himself/by himself he's very chaotic neutral.
If you seen Deadpool Wolverine, I would debate this definition. I can’t spoil it here, but there’s definitely some growth in the Deadpoolian way. His family means a lot and it wasn’t a lie it was an educated wish 😂😂😂
I don't think the timeline for X-men is quite as confusing as you think. Days of Future Past didn't retcon everything from the original timeline, it just prevented the Sentinel program from gaining traction. Everything else probably still happened. At the end of the past portion of DOFP, Logan was hurled into the water, where he was picked up by the Weapon X program, and setting everything in motion to align with the original timeline, except where things are directly contradicted by other movies.
I feel like your stance on lawful good is a bit too lax and that most of his LG actions should have been NG, but for the most part i agree. Still feel like CG should have been the end result
@@TheLoadingCrew Eh it was a good video but definitely sloppy by your other video's standards. You did have that bias going in with the second movie so it probably affected your ratings.
Hold up methodically torturing someone and finding hilarious humiliating and painful ways to kill someone is chaotic neutral but stiffing the cab ride is chaotic evil?
In my opinion, Deadpool character is designed to be chaotic neutral. A person that acted purely on his mood with no good or evil values as his guideline. But still its a fictional character. People could rewrite it anytime and anyhow they want. It wont surprise me if one day Deadpool become a lawful good.
I disagree on the starting alignment. I would argue he is Chaotic Good who is trying really really hard to come off as Chaotic Neutral. Why? He does not kill anyone, he donates his contract payment to charity, he could have killed his contract but chooses not to, he walked away from an underage girl who tries to flirt with him, and his deep past is alluded to later in the movie that he was special forces and seemed to get along with his squad mates. I don't see any evil there and I see a lot of good there.
UMM is deadpool secerty chaotic good well atleast in the movie in the comic chaotic netural seems way more fair with a small tap of good but i will say he did touture which is chaotic evil
He's still Chaotic Neutral because he routinely does evil shit as well. Yes, even in the movies. "Chaotic Good most of the time but does Evil semi-regularly" is still Chaotic Neutral. Whether he does Good or Evil actions varies based on how it benefits him, how he's feeling at the time, and which side he thinks has the most to offer or deserves to get fucked with the most. That is textbook Chaotic Neutral. Even if he leans towards Good more than Evil the fact that he's not opposed to doing Evil acts when it suits him means he *cannot* be Chaotic Good.
Minor personal differences in opinion, I would have started him fully chaotic neutral at the beginning of his story. And the scene where he is waiting to die in prison I would call lawful neutral rather than chaotic neutral as he is not intentionally stirring up any trouble and is simply keeping his head down and following rules.
He goes from chaotic neutral to chaotic good. When both sides are kinds scumy he'll betray them both for his own gain but Deadpool is smart enough to see the bigger picture sometimes and will generally fight the badguys.
so on the continuity issues with Xavier, I always took that as he read Logan's mind and that's why he "remembers" events from the first timeline I could be wrong but this was my take also Deadpool seems to be aware of anything the audience might know do to his ability to break the fourth wall
@@TheLoadingCrew the argument can be made that killing humans is always evil, even if they're "bad guys". Also having selfish motivation and no apparent remorse don't help.
@@TheLoadingCrew i did watch that video, but it's been a while. I tend to think alignment is overrated anyway, so I don't mean to say my take is more right than yours. Also i only just realized you're the person who made the video so clearly my opinion isn't that significant
your opinion is valid. just because I slapped some nonsense together doesn't make my opinion more valid :) just trying to show my evidence is consistent
Before watching the video (and having only seen Deadpool 2): Chaotic Good. While he is a merc, he doesn't seem to be truly "evil", although perhaps Neutral Evil.
I am going to say this right now. Since no one other than Deadpool mentioned the timelines, that could just be a simple fourth wall break and not anything affirming a specific timeline so it's perfectly safe to consider it self contained.
I actually think it all depends on the writer/story/day of the week, sometimes he's chaotic neutral, sometimes even, fairly often he's straight up good aligned. I think this is why i'd argue he ultimately lines up as Chaotic Neutral. Because he so often flip flops between the two extremes. It's just rather than being a consistent Chaotic Neutral his alignment shifts alot thru the three chaotic alignments with rampant abandon as different aspects of his shattered mind take center stage, making him extreamly unpredictable. What's interesting about Deadpool is that he is one of the few morally ambiguous characters I actually like, not because he is "Huhu funny man", but because he's a tragic clown, a man who sometimes desperately wan't to do good, but is ultimately overcome and possessed by impulse, he's morally ambiguous done right in this regard, he isn't trying to pretend his evil acts are just, like so many other morally grey characters he's a man who is unable to control his impulse, except he and his writers know it.
So you think killing pedophiles is evil ? Remind me next time one is raping a kid. Or that torturing a bad guy for information is evil. Your moral compass needs reworking mate.
@@clothar23 Wether or not its evil or good is irrelevant. The point is its not "Nuetral". And killing the pedos is chaotic good. But torturing villains is chaotic nuetral.
@@olilondonisabum7170 Thats not the point. There are differently scales of villainy. Someone blowing up a house is not the same as someone robbing someones house. Both are obviously evil but not equal.
I have not watched a single x man movie and im not quite through the rant yet but wanted to say that in logan prof x kinda doesnt controll his powers that well. he is a world class mind reader meaning he COULD be accidentally remembering wolverines past and then filling in gaps to justify it
I agree with the original rating and the final designation of chaotic good, but I think Wade deserves a slightly more evil score. While the prisoner transport fight was necessary due to Cable’s arrival I don’t think DP knew he’d attack the transport in the middle of the city and deserves some evil points. The highway fight in the first movie was, I believe, was an act of neutral evil. He CHOSE to have a big ol’ punch/shoot-em-up on a highway in daytime, where and when there’s sure to be many drivers. I mean, legally speaking, if a non-combatant bystander died it’d absolutely count as depraved indifference murder. His actions in that fight cuts (literally) against the morality behind depraved-heart laws, he even took actions in order to ENSURE crashes. Furthermore, I personally always consider torture to be an evil act. Not that good characters/people can’t or even shouldn’t commit evil acts in the name of good causes, but I still consider it to be inflicting unnecessary pain on another person to further your goals. On a side note: Why no good points for National Woman’s day? Submitting to a pegging for your girlfriend, especially since he CLEARLY wasn’t enjoying it, is the APOTHEOSIS of generous love. GIVE THAT MAN AT LEAST 5 POINTS!!!
I...I really think the only way to describe Deadpool is "Chaotic Crazy." I mean...sometimes he quite honestly surprises himself with what he's doing...by which I mean ALL THREE VOICES IN HIS HEAD HAVE NO CLUE WHAT IS HAPPENING.
So what your saying is that Deadpool is a chaotic good character, but the pain he has and is going through holds him down in such a way to make him seem chaotic neutral. That's kinda depressing actually.
I’m gonna be honest I think deadpool is chaotic good (leaning chaotic neutral) stays there until the second film (kinda slips into chaotic neutral) but then goes back to chaotic good.
I think he’s chaotic good he’s a good dude except for all the murder and other bad things but if we’re going on dnd alignment I think that fits chaotic good pretty well I don’t remember him killing very many innocent people he might have killed a few (explosions don’t count) he mostly seems to be doing bad things for good reasons which is basically how I describe chaotic good
He's Chaotic Lawful. He has rules. They change on a minute-to-minute basis. If you don't know them at any given time, that's your fault, not his. Edit: I didn't particularly care for Deadpool 2 either. I didn't HATE-hate it. It just felt like a retread.
Also, dude, you lost me on the complaints at "sexist." Not that there aren't sexist things, it's just that that has been used so entirely too much that it has practically lost all meaning. Most of the time now, when people hear "sexist" they tune out or complain. Just...it's fine if you think it is, but to get an argument across, leave it out, focus on the rest.
@theloadingcrew I just blew your timeline confusion wide open. Xavier does have memories from the previous timeline because he does a mind meld with himself so that new xavier has the confidence and power to continue the fight (woah maybe that's why he develops alzheimers as well, but that's super speculative)
