What Death Battle Got Wrong! My Response to Madara vs Aizen!!! 

So if you would like a more concise and direct version of why I think Aizen almost no diffs Madara then please refer to the description under the video. I placed 3 important points there outside of the issue about Kyoka Suigetsu vs Rinnesharingan. Thank you for watching! Like and subscribe plz! I'll probably be doing Ichigo vs Naruto next for reactions.

44:55 my intepretation of shinji vs aizen was that aizen already had shinji under KS so what was shown in the fight is what aizen wanted shinji to see. All the cuts that aizen took was intentionally, he wanted shinji to get a big head and increased ego (shinji was already full of himself, he was explaning his zanpakuto thinking that his power was amazing 🤣). And when shinji's ego was too big, aizen would then deflate his ego. Why i think is is because after the momo switch, shinji asked aizen "when did u use KS". Aizen responds "when did u think i wasnt using KS". Meaning during the shinji and aizen fight, as shinji did not ask if he was using it, he was basically under KS. But yh your vid is really good, i love the explanations.

Good video. Thank you for sharing. Some things to ponder... 1. They lowballed and miscalced tf outa the Kenpachi meteor feat. There are 3 different panels of the meteor in comparison to the Shakonmaku shield and all in progressively bigger sizes, with consistency; Small, medium and large. The last panel with the largest looking meteor size is the only credible or reliable one where the rock couldn't have been misrepresented by a foreshortened perspective in comparison to the previous two as the surface of the meteor and the shield are crossing planes. They calced using one of the smaller presentations of the meteorite instead. They also misrepresented the size of the Sereitei which is either 400 ri or 600 ri depending on which statement you go by. They claimed 30% of the Sereitei's size was stated to be around 100 km, but that is false. 1/3rd of the Sereitei was stated to be 200 ri which equals 488 miles or 785km so they massively misrepresented things there; Either way, the meteor is something like 600 miles across going by how it was depicted in direct comparions with the Shakonmaku (narrative > pixel scaling some dude's rushed artworks) at a lowball.. More if you go by the implications of that 1/3rd size reference they cited... And... They only accounted for how much energy it would take to destroy that mass but not the amount of energy it would take to nerf that mass moving between 25k to 45k mph and collapse the energy of the shockwave back in on itself (for reference, look up "The Tunguska Event" to see what a small meteor exploding in the sky can do to a size of countryside largely comparable to the sereitei). Not a single application of baseball physics or an accounting of the fact that Kenpachi had no multipliers activated (x20 [eyepatch], x2 [kendo], x 5-10 [bankai]).... And you'll never see them explore those numbers because they get absolutely insane and people don't want to grasp Bleach characters being that strong. 2. The mountain evaporation was definitely not a "hill." The illustrated ink fading and lines in the panel it happens in all seemingly indicate depth leading up to the base of the mountain where there's room for a large amount of foreshortening. The anime supported this notion entirely then demonstrated a far larger implied size than any hill during the conflict. 3. They said the Edo zombies were "spiritual beings" despite the fact that the "reaper seal" the Third use demonstrated a clear distinction between the soul and the jutsu vessel. 4. Hisagi, at the end of the Rukia rescue arc, *after* having a majority of his spiritual energy drained was *still* able to dip Negacion light when it was projected from behind and above him. Negacion was described to be light 5 times in the same panel, confirmed in the data books and people *still* can't accept it. lol 5. There are subtle and not so subtle indications that Aizen purposely let Unohana figure his faux "corpse" out. This on top of her 6th spiritual sense would indictate a reason for her to catch on to Aizen's schemes without necessarily demonstrating a flaw in K.S. in so far as it applies to Madara. 6. Madara actually made contact with the ground when he did the mountain destruction feat but even then, the mountain and debris were still there. Ground and mountains were bluntly evaporating when Aizen and Ichi were doing it. This is a significantly more impressive feat by orders of magnitude. 7. "Controlling/trapping souls" is an ability that base Yammy has with his literal breath, except Yammy's feat was far more impressive in terms of range and speed. Meanwhile, the entire Espada didn't want the smoke with base Aizen... Soul manipulation isn't going to be effective, it's only going to bounce off his spiritual pressure. 8. The genjutsu they referenced Sharingan breaking out of was when Itachi literally let Sauce win a fight. Sharingan has been duped, otherwise Kakashi would have never had such a bad day with Itachi. 9. Aizen's resistance to general genjutsu is based in the mechanics of both verses. Mads would need to control the energy flow in Aizen's body, but, he would also need more spiritual energy in order to do that. Madara doesn't have it; No super-powerful Espada level being as ever been dropped to the floor because Madara gave them a dirty look, no one has ever evaporated as a byproduct of Madara walking too close to them. Hell doesn't keep itself closed up just because Madara's walking around somewhere. Beyond this, there's the potential that Aizen's zanpakuto would break him out of genjutsu from the inside akin to a tailed beast relationship with a jinchuriki if for some reason he was caught. Beyond this, Aizen would arguably have the same ability to lock onto energy signatures to counter illusions the same way Yamma did to him. 10. Ywach consumed Aizen in the manga; The Hogyoku brought him back... Orbs aren't doing to the job unless they warp reality on a level > the Hogyoku... They don't. 11. Ywach blew up the chair with Aizen sitting in it completely unprotected and Aizen didn't even have a scratch so, yeah he definitely scales into the same range.

In the novel its stated that the Hogyoku never left him and has fused with him...they are 1 now like his Zanpacktou

The only way for Madara to win is it f he seals Aizen away but that's about it. Narutards would use novels and I do the same with Bleach and they get mad. There was countless errors and you fixed them which I appreciate it.

After hear that Madara has a greater arsenal than aizen I think back to the amount of kido spells

Madara is nothing to aizen, Im an naruto fan but i know how powerful aizen is and what can he do, there is no way 6 paths madara is beating him.

Since Madara possesses both Sharingan and Renigan, doesn't he have to keep switching between the 2 since he can't use both of them at once? So when he decides to use the Sharingan wouldn't that prevent him from seeing Aizen. Also the TSOs, it just nullifies ninjustsu. Yes it prevented Minato from regeneration but Minato was brought back by the reanimated jutsu, which is still considered ninjustu. Death battle pretty much twisted words with their explanation on the TSOs. In terms of kyoka suigestu, I can see madara breaking off from it but he needs to be focused on it for the whole battle. KS is permanent. Also how would Madara even know if he's under KS,. Like when Jugram told Ywatch that they need to leave the soul society. Ywatch was confused but figured out that Aizen placed him in KS. Take in that Ywatch already has background knowledge of Aizen's abilities, Madara doesn't have that advantage. The way DB explained KS was poor and they got a lot of stuff wrong. For example Unohana wasn't able to figure out she was in KS. Unohana specializes in healing soul reapers. She spent days examining the dead body until she found out that something was wrong with it. Aizen had to tell her that she was in KS and she's been under it for over 100 years. Only way I can see Madara winning is him using some osrt of sealing justsu on Aizen before he evolves into stage 1 krysalis form since Urahara only found that opportunity to implant the sealing kido. Also Madara cannot absorb kido. Kido and ninjustsu are not similar. Kido is magic based not create by reatsu but powered by it. Kido is made from reishi. Some people says that Madara can use Tsukyomi on Aizen but my issue with that is Tsukyomi works only on living people, not spiritual beings. Lets say if Madara traps Aizen into Tsukyomi, the hogyoku will tell Aizen, that he's under this powerful genjutsu and will break him out of it. Aizen does have the willpower. Death battle really forgot about the Hogyoku's abilities in the battle. It can break Aizen out of Madara's genjustu, allows Aizen to evolve from Madara's attacks.

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I know old topic but, if you check their death battle's Q&A podcast about this fight, they literally said, in their discussion, that they wanted Aizen to lose lol. But seriously, death battle has their own rules set and research team that people tend to forget. Some are justifiable, while others, feels well flat and at times contravene.

Fire bro really nice work 👍👍

just one thing i would like to point out although its just a statement without any backup evidence is that in the new Howls from the jaws of hell one shot, resurrected szaylaperro mentions that one of the reasons the gate of hell was kicked open was the dissapearance of AIZENS Reiatsu, meaning that this dudes mere existence kept hell in check

No I get it Aizen broke the fourth wall and has everyone stuck in his perfect hypnosis. What a B@d@$$, he just wants everyone to think he lost, even to the creators of death battles. Guys that's why you all saw him lose but I'm not affected by it so I know the truth. And why do many are upset thinking he lost they know are affected but can't do anything about it. Don't worry just know he won that brilliant mastermind.

Straight facts and to add on Chakra and Reiatsu are not the same why do people keep saying that

There was countless errors and left out stuff in this match. Firstly, Madara's TSO didnt even negates regeneration, its negates ninjutsu. And its affecting on the souls didnt that big deal when in Bleach every attacks damages the soul and everyone also have soul manipulation resistance. Heck they didnt even mention that completely erasing souls from the existence is basic stuff in the show. We also need to add that its dont really matter how strong is his opponent. Like Ichigo was an entire "dimension" tear above him in powerwise, but Aizen still survived the Final Getsuga Tenshou and totally healed. Soul Society what maintains the flow of souls in the afterlife and has access to Hell itself still cant figure out how to kill him. Total immortality baby! Or that Aizen can do insane impossible things with the wish granting Hogyoku. Like breaking the natural law of the world and destroying the spiritual power immuned Cleaner. And endlessly evolving becoming immune and more stronger limitlessly. But no, we just needs to forget this unimportant and insignificant details according to the Death Battle guys.

Ichigo is powerful but without aizen and uryu especially aizen and that silver arrow they weren't killing jubach at all it was about to be a slaughter fest

Tybw aizen soul crushed a royal guard Meanwhile 3rd fusion aizen(when he was without the cacoon but still didnt get the wings) was unable to soul crush a shinigami or a slightlly above average humans So at bare minimum tybw aizen should be comparble to butterfly aizen where he got the wings Before his face was black

So true bro

They broke their rules for Madara. His Jubi form requires outside assistance and isn't part of his standard arsenal. The same reason why Kakashi didn't get the DMS, which he shouldn't have. Now, let's assume the TOS works the way DB described it for the sake of the argument. Aizen would be the most fragile soul reaper in Bleach cannon because the TOS have nothing on Gin's bankai or Mugetsu. A simple quincy arrow to the head would kill Aizen going by this logic. 99% of the attacks in Bleach are soul based and Aizen regenerated from being vaporized and having half his body blown away at the molecular level. The fuck are the TOS going to do?D And finally, Yawach vs Kaguya is cringe. Yawach vs Darth Vitiate is based.

Aizen can not die

The first point in the description is rather moot as aizen has shown to be avale to resist complete soul erasure 😂

Cherry on top kyoka suigetu is not illutions its complete hypnosis they have different meanings that says different things this aizen specifically said kyoka suigetus power is total hypnosis it can create illutions controlling the five senses that what he said he never said kyoka suigetu is illution madara cannot break out again tso does not negate regeneration it negates ninjustu and chakra and Edo tensei is chakra and minato soul was tied to the jutsu and he does not have the regenerative ability that's why his hands were gone after the jutsu was undone also everything in naruto is chakra constructed even the trees so like minato has chakra and that's what tso negates

we saw you drink that starbucks my man. we all saw it.

Would truth seeker orbs technically equal Quincy arrows then... if the orbs really can wipe out souls. By that logic uryu claps Aizen no diff

aizen does control what you can sense spiritually bro because every single grim reaper shunsui explained this during his fight with Lille.

Just so yall know, am just debunking some arguments people use to downplay bleach, not trying to enter the debate here. "Gin said his bankai was mach 500" Gin later on said he is lying, plus, chararcters like arranerio (I think I spelled his name wrong) dodged physical light, which proves bleach chararcters are indeed faster then light. "Aizen said he was shocked he was able to destroy a mountain" Aizen was not shocked that he destroyed a mountain, he was shocked that one swing of his sword was able to destroy a mountain, so that pretty much means he wasn't trying while destroying mountains, aizen even in base is way above mountain level.

Have you seen their Sukuna vs Kenpachi stream?

About Unohana and Aizen.. Aizen: "I think somebody were to come it would be about now". And with the iconic smirk he asks "Was it easy to figure out". I think he is purposelly make a flaw so Unohana can understand.

Whats the purpose of death battle and why they nerfed aizen and get him killed by kaguyas bitch ? 😂

One of my biggest things (I actually got into a long argument with somone over it) is that I'm convinced Kyoka Suigetsu is a conceptual power, similar to Ichibe's power over Black. Meaning Aizen controls the very concept of the 5 senses, not the mind or physical body like Genjutsu. Reason I think this is because he could put Barragon under his spell (someone without eyes, nerves or a brain) and KS cannot be resisted though any mental resistance. Otherwise ancient monsters like Yamamoto, Unohana and Yhwach could resist in some way and they can't, and of course Aizen himself states you can't evade even if you know its coming. We also know it doesn't degrade over time and is instantaneous and untraceable for anyone under the influence. This is also why it could even affect Yhwach's omniscience via the Almighty So the idea that the rennigan or sharingan could see through KS like they claim is absolute nonsense IMO. If you can *see* in any form, then KS controls it.

Yhwach vs Kaguya Will be a Nightmare 💀

another good speed feat is when hisagi dodged a barage of bala that move 20x ftl i think it was without his shikai too, this hisagi from fkt should be massively weaker than aizen.

Aizen controls spiritual senses or the 6th sense he can make you precieve your reality to whatever he wants and that includes your own reishi and reiatsu and others reishi and reiatsu .

The only thing this battle got dead wrong is not including the rinnegans ability to absorb souls for information, meaning madara could have just consumed aizen and none of the fight was necessary lol

your vid good but their swords and just magical sword at the end of the day bro does matter if it has a soul.

Aizen unironically solos every verse in existance… plus he is immortal so no, strongest Superman isnt able to wipe him out, Yamamoto would burn himself and the world before he melts Aizen. Yhwach absorbed him, and even if Yhwach “won” Aizen’d still come back. Hakai from Dragonball would delete Aizen and he’d just come back. And if there is a being that is able to beat Aizen under hypnosis, he’d get stronger thanks to Hogyouku. Like dude… Naruto cant kill him and they made Madara beat him??? Talk about playing favorites lmao

Everyone talks about kyoka suigetsu is stronger then genjutsu yeah it's true after but infinite tsukiyomi is far more powerful then kyoka sugetsu, madara doesn't have to use infinite tsukiyomi but by that power he'll break out early or even more Rinnagan also can break out kyoka suigetu Rinnagan have counter infinite tsukiyomi which is more powerful then kyoka suigetu, even say Aizen immortality but Madara also an complete immortal if got vaporize cut into million pieces madara will regenerates even from nothing and immune to damage, Now chakra and riyatsu Aizen have no infinite Power supply at all Madara have infinite chakra he obtained eternity it's infinite. now close combat Aizen have no close hand to hand combot at all he maybe sword master but even it's comes to close hand to hand combat madara take win here, now madara chakra and Aizen riyatsu spiritual energy Aizen may become powerful by time pass he'll be getting even stronger but madara have unlimited chakra almost infinite chakra supply that kind of will take Aizen to reach forever, Now Aizen Attack everything is based on spiritual energy force field, hado 99, black coffee, cero energy light beam, but madara have a Rinnagan he'll absorb anything that energy based on Rinnagan doesn't not only absorb Ninjutsu it's absorb any energy attack in this Aizen attack will got into neutralized, Now Limbo clone Madara shadow moves in another dimension and co-exist in current dimension can't be seen or touch or sense it how Aizen going to hit lombo clone? Now AP and DC i don't know about Aizen but madara can create any massive amount by using YIN YANG RELEASE. Now hogyoku and the truth seeking orbs hogyoku may give him power what uses wishes want's but it's can't create what Doesn't exist in bleach nobody can't touch truth seeking orbs because who ever touch physically and spiritually he'll become dust in microscopic molecular level and Unless if you have sage power or six paths power that kind of power does not exist in bleach and best negate for hogyoku. Madara didn't show his full power peak in 3 eye jubidara and don't forget Rinnsharigan ability what kaguya have even madara also can use it. Madara did die not because of Black zetsu stabbed madara from behind he died because of kaguya was manifesting from his body and she absorb all of madara chakra into nothing in very end Madara died because of chakra was completely absorbed into empty. I give you all the possible of winning of madara

1. User can control if TSO disintegrates their opponent or not by using Yin-Yang Release. In Obito's case he was unstable as Juubi Jinchuriki and he couldn't use erasing effect due to it at first. It explains how Hiruzen, Hashirama and Tobirama regenerated after he struck them with TSO. After Obito gains control of his powers, Tobirama remarks that he is using Yin-Yang Release. This is proven Obito cut off Minato's arm that couldn't regenerate even if he was Edo Tensei. About Sakura? Well, Madara hold back on his TSO, he always holds back against weaker opponents(also plot). Going more in depth, Yin Release uses spiritual energy and Yang Release uses physical energy, so it makes sense that it can damage both. Also as bonus if you don't accept the fact; It can erase chakra/jutsu which has spiritual energy, since in this versus chakra and Reiryoku are the same, it can affect Aizen as well, also explains why Madara could absorb some Kidos, which are made of Reiryouku. Since Hōgyoku is merged with Aizen it also is being affected/erased. 2. Thing is, since Hogyoku can manifest Aizen's desires, Madara can manipulate it through Aizen with genjutsu, making it think that Aizen wants to be defeated/sealed. 3. Madara let that happen, so he can see what Guy could do, since he would just regenerate anyway, so even though if he was damaged, it was purposely and he could have dodge those, even if the get caught to similar attacks by Aizen he could just regenerate. 4. Kyoka Suigetsu vs Rinnesharingan. Rinnegan and even more Rinnesharingan are immune to genjutsu/illusions and Uchihas are known to counter them. Also we have never seen or being implied that Six Paths and Otsutsuki can fall under genjutsu/illusions, not even Infinite Tsukuyomi, most poweful one, if that would been the case Kishimoto surely would have make Sasuke use some, against them.

Yeah but aizen will dead if madara spamming his mangekyou he can reverse the time for 5 sec and don't forget about truth seeking orb

I've not watched the video and read the description but I will though not right now so I might update this People need to decide which version of Aizen they are using I don't believe he has the hyogoku in TYBW simply because he would have evolved while fighting yhwach The part where Aizen is universe level is something I've always believed was head canon simply because no one knows how big much yhwach was going to affect, for example his energy wouldn't have just destabilised earth or whatever it should have done so to that entire universe so I personally think yhwach was affecting planets not universes😂🤷 I agree however with everything else cause even if they were the same level of power with one being slightly stronger than the other madara doesn't have a way to kill Aizen while Aizen does cause he affects the soul The one thing that has always disturbed me is Yhwach's ability to see the future was never limitless else he would have seen Ishida coming or seen through kyoka suigetsu which you can use to say even his future self that he was seeing didn't have a way to resist detect or break out of the hypnosis Madara does have experience detecting illusions and sasuke could break out of a stronger illusion/genjutsu that was beyond his capabilities with a normal sharingan so whose to say madara wouldn't do the same with the complete hypnosis Ps:I'm not refuting madara would lose just the logic behind it

MADARA wins Easy